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February 05, 2016, 02:36:57 AM
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Peace is the Keystone of Liberty
Why Libertarians Should be Thoroughly Anti-War


The anti-war movement desperately needs libertarian leadership. And the libertarian movement urgently needs to be strongly anti-war. So in this essay I will offer some chief reasons for every libertarian to be 100% non-interventionist and actively engaged in the cause of peace.

Libertarianism embraces the individual’s right to life, liberty, and property. The meaning of these rights have been intentionally distorted by some, but they originally meant the right not to be murdered (life), not to be enslaved (liberty), and not to be robbed (property). What distinguishes libertarians is that we apply these principles comprehensively, making no exception for the government. It is not okay for the government to steal and call it taxation, to enslave and call it incarceration, or to murder and call it war.
As private murder is a worse crime than private kidnapping and theft, so should war (mass murder by the government) be a paramount concern for libertarians, surpassing even many issues involving the police state and economic planning/redistribution.

Moreover, the government crime of war is what enables the government’s other crimes. War, as economist Robert Higgs has put it, is the master key of the State. The terror, hate, and urgency stimulated by war causes the populace to become as conformist and docile as a herd. Rulers know this very well, which is why they so frequently manipulate and drag their people into wars. Both the domestic police state (the garrison state) and domestic economic planning (war mobilization) grow rapidly during wars and cold wars. War, as Randolph Bourne wrote, is the health of the State. By this he meant that foreign wars nourish domestic tyranny.
For example, see the cartelization of the U.S. economy emerging out of the World Wars, the national security state emerging out of World War II and the Cold War, and the expansion of the police state (mass surveillance, the militarization of the police, etc) throughout the War on Terror.

War is also self-reinforcing, and does not lead to long-term peace and security as some of its defenders claim. This is because war is an inherently collectivist undertaking, wholly incompatible with libertarianism’s individualistic notions of justice. War targets, not individuals for the enforcement of restitution, but whole populations for pure destruction. War destroys the lives and livelihoods of countless undeserving victims, including innocent children, who are dismissively chalked up as “acceptable losses” and “collateral damage.” These victims, whatever their culture, are real human beings with hopes, fears, and inner lives, the same as me, you, your niece, or any of your loved ones.

And when they are assaulted, they or their loved ones will desire redress, just as you or I would. If they are beset with the same collectivist notions of justice that their victimizers had, then they may seek or support collectivist retaliation against the “enemy population,” whether through conventional warfare or terrorism (asymmetric warfare). This will incur civilian casualties on the other side, which will elicit still more collectivist retaliation, incurring still more civilian casualties, and so on. Thus war tends to self-perpetuate in a cycle of unjust violence (aggression). Any ethic that justifies “collateral damage,” if applied universally, is an ethic of mutual extermination.

Libertarianism, on the other hand, confines retaliation to coercing restitution from individual perpetrators. Such violence is inherently self-containing, because it deters against aggression while not gratuitously generating grievances through indiscriminate destruction. The libertarian repudiation of war (collectivist violence), therefore tends toward security for all, whereas war tends toward insecurity for all.
For example, the 9/11 attacks, as Ron Paul famously stressed, was blowback from decades of intervention in the Middle East. Those attacks on civilians provoked massive Western wars on the Middle East. Those civilian-slaughtering wars in turn have engendered a massive increase in terrorism. And that terrorism is being used to justify still further war.

War is often waged for the stated purpose of “liberating” a country from tyranny. Waging war for freedom is just as counterproductive as waging war for security.
Often the hostility begins with a “cold war,” limited to sanctions and subversion. This is intended to impel reform by “punishing” the regime, or to induce revolution by causing misery for the people. This usually backfires, because it is easier for the tyrant to scapegoat the “foreign enemy” for suffering of the people than for the enemy to scapegoat the tyrant. This provides cover for the tyrant’s misrule. The foreign enemy also provides the tyrant with a useful bogeyman for terrorizing the people into rallying around the regime. Again, war nourishes domestic tyranny, and cold wars are no exception. Thus, cold wars intended to weaken or depose tyrannical regimes actually tend to strengthen them.

For example, since the 50s, the US has never relented in its hostility toward the communist regimes in Cuba and North Korea. Yet a half-century later, the Castros and the Kims have a firmer grip on power than ever. In contrast, in the 70s, the US accepted detente with the communist regimes in China and Vietnam. Since then, those countries have seen tremendous liberalization.
If the hostility escalates to a hot war, it makes things even worse. If the targeted regime survives the war, it will emerge from it with an even stronger grip on power. And if the regime is toppled, that is no guarantee of “freedom” for the people either. The conquerors may install a stable puppet regime. But puppet regimes tend to be even more repressive than demagogic tyrants, because they rely on foreign, not domestic support, and so need not fret over alienating their people with brutality.
Another possibility is that the overthrow creates a failed state in which several factions tear the country apart in a chronic civil war. This is another distinct likelihood, because foreigners do not have the local knowledge or the right incentives to establish a stable compromise among the country’s interest groups. Libertarians, who are rightly skeptical of the government’s ability to plan its own society’s economy, should be doubly skeptical of that same government’s ability to plan another society’s institutions.

See for example, the post-9/11 western regime-change interventions throughout the Middle East, which have created six terrorist-infested, civil-war-stricken failed states in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, and Somalia.
In any conflict between a more free country and a less free country, some libertarians are apt to assume that the more free country must be “in the right.” They assume that the worst tyrants are also the worst foreign aggressors. However, the opposite tends to be true. Tyranny breeds poverty, and an impoverished populace cannot provide much in the way of tax revenue. So tyrannical regimes tend to be too poor to afford a successfully belligerent foreign policy.

On the other hand, freedom breeds wealth, and a rich tax base can support a tremendous military budget. So it is actually less domestically tyrannical governments that tend to be more imperialistic.
See for example, the globe-spanning empire of Great Britain, the original “Land of the Free,” and the current global hegemony of the British Empire’s successor, the United States of America.
Perhaps the greatest obstacle to becoming thoroughly anti-war is that it involves casting America’s warlike history and the very nature of our government in an entirely new light. It is difficult, even for libertarians, to accept that the government you have known all your life is not the benign institution you thought it was, but one of the greatest engines of mass murder, destruction, and suffering that has ever existed.

However, keep in mind that the very same institution that has waged these wars has also been in control of your education since your early childhood and throughout most of the waking hours of your formative years. Thus your government has decicively shaped your perception of its actions and role in the world. It is only natural that you would be taken aback at a perspective that runs entirely counter to a message that you’ve imbibed throughout all that. But just because something is hard to accept, it doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
So don’t avert your eyes, and don’t be silent in the face of evil. Start learning the truth about the empire and its atrocities, and start speaking out against war.

https://medium.com/dan-sanchez/peace-is-the-keystone-of-liberty-8e967549694a#.m2ydk4t52

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February 05, 2016, 05:17:08 AM
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War might be crime, but if you are in the foxholes, war is more like grime.    Grin

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February 11, 2016, 12:54:08 PM
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We are civilized humans not savages. Although we are civilized, we still fight wars like savages. War is essentially stealing. It's stealing because you are taking another's land, money, and resources while killing thousands of people in the process. It's immoral and unfair. The people who steal this way are not penalized for their wrongdoings instead they are treated as heroes.

If someone steals from someone else they get punished, if someone kills someone else they get punished. However if a group of individuals (country) plunders, murders and destroyes another group of individuals...they do not get punished. There is no authority to punish them.

The sad thing is, war has become somewhat like a game. We even have RULES for war  Cheesy this is total madness. It's like making rules for stealing, it does not make sense.

War itself should be illegal it is a crime like any other crime. The fact that we wage war over each other reflects the evil in the collective human psycy. We are civilized but we continue to act like savages. What is the use of technological, and societal development when we cannot even be good to each other.

What do you guys think?
Is war justified?

war is the definite description of crime.. all the wars bring bloody hell sadness to our world..
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February 12, 2016, 02:39:17 AM
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This is interesting. From Admiral Obvious, a leading naval expert,  comes this important information...................

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February 12, 2016, 02:57:53 AM
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Will Durant on Mencius (372-289 BC): He denounced war as a crime, and shocked the hero-worshipers of his time by writing: "There are men who say: 'I am skillful at marshaling troops, I am skillful at conducting a battle.' They are great criminals." "There has never been a good war," he said.

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February 12, 2016, 09:38:57 AM
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We are civilized humans not savages. Although we are civilized, we still fight wars like savages. War is essentially stealing. It's stealing because you are taking another's land, money, and resources while killing thousands of people in the process. It's immoral and unfair. The people who steal this way are not penalized for their wrongdoings instead they are treated as heroes.

If someone steals from someone else they get punished, if someone kills someone else they get punished. However if a group of individuals (country) plunders, murders and destroyes another group of individuals...they do not get punished. There is no authority to punish them.

The sad thing is, war has become somewhat like a game. We even have RULES for war  Cheesy this is total madness. It's like making rules for stealing, it does not make sense.

War itself should be illegal it is a crime like any other crime. The fact that we wage war over each other reflects the evil in the collective human psycy. We are civilized but we continue to act like savages. What is the use of technological, and societal development when we cannot even be good to each other.

What do you guys think?
Is war justified?
war is a game,is played with a smile,if you can't smile,grin. if you can't grin,keep out of the way till you can.
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February 12, 2016, 10:01:11 AM
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War is sometimes necessary for restoring rights of those who are enslaved!
Don't forget history, freedom was restored only through blood and tears.
Most of time US war machine making war for profit this is something else..
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February 12, 2016, 01:18:29 PM
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War is sometimes necessary for restoring rights of those who are enslaved!
War is slavery. In a war you don't have rights, only orders.

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February 12, 2016, 01:59:54 PM
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War is sometimes necessary for restoring rights of those who are enslaved!
Don't forget history, freedom was restored only through blood and tears.
Most of time US war machine making war for profit this is something else..

What you say is wrong.
You're not making the difference between fighting oppression or slavery of the people, which is called a revolution and not a war, and the fight between two countries.

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February 12, 2016, 03:28:36 PM
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War is stupid, and stupid people vote for those stupid warmongers all the time.
Why are you so stupid  Cheesy I should say "we"

Btw I havent voted since the United Kingdom referendum of 1975, that was me being stupid and naive.  Sad

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February 12, 2016, 11:23:03 PM
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War is just a political issue that is the same during the ancient times. Like conquering lands only on different perspectives.
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February 13, 2016, 05:30:34 AM
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War is a crime, but war is required at times. If a country is often getting control over other country everytime one can't be patient. There should be a do or die to make themselves come out of the control.
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February 13, 2016, 06:53:28 AM
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War is a crime, but war is required at times. If a country is often getting control over other country everytime one can't be patient. There should be a do or die to make themselves come out of the control.

It's basically a byproduct of war - crime. And that's just the way it is. We have had wars since the beginning of times and that is just the way things are.
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August 28, 2016, 12:32:29 PM
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Not at all times war sometimes is a crisis you really need it if you have a huge problem in your country for example there is a drug menace in your society and many crimes happened. Therefore you need to do something before its to late as a leader. You need to use military and police to protect the integrity of your country. That is not a crime i guess.
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August 28, 2016, 01:43:44 PM
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i agree. war is definitely unnecessary and nothing, no reason at all can justify the horror and pain war brings to innocent people. the sad thing is there are powerful people that thrive on war regardless of the effect this has on others. because if you think about it, simply understanding other people and having respectful conversation between two parties could avoid this.

 
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August 28, 2016, 11:12:46 PM
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Not at all times war sometimes is a crisis you really need it if you have a huge problem in your country for example there is a drug menace in your society and many crimes happened. Therefore you need to do something before its to late as a leader. You need to use military and police to protect the integrity of your country. That is not a crime i guess.

If you are talking about the phillipines I would say what is being done there is definitely a crime. Almost 2000 people have died. Some at the hand of the government. Most at the hands of vigilantes. No or little oversight on who is getting killed. And alternatives that aren't pursued like not following the war on drugs pushed by other countries. Decriminalization and maybe legalization down the road could be better alternatives as the incentive for criminals would reduce.
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