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January 23, 2016, 02:20:13 AM
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For the noobs asking if this is a bad or good thing; this is the short of it.

Blockchain technology will not and can not work without something like Bitcoin at its core to insure its security; the big legacy banks were told this but they refused to admit it (at lest not publicly).

so...

The Banks were like "we don't need you, will build our own network" and went and highered armies of tech savvy engineers to build the impossible.  They failed...

and now after many months of secret back door meetings they are back poking around our community and spreading wads of money to anyone willing to turn to the dark side.

Bitcoin developers, luminaries and figure heads are being lobbied by people with very deep pockets; this is the 3rd and 4th failed attempt to hardfork the Bitcoin network into something they see as more accommodating to their needs.

Can I get paid for this?

Link please.

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Yes, you definitely can get paid for this. Many people do.

You need a link to understand that maybe there are some people/organizations that don't like/trust bitcoin's disruptive nature and would prefer to have it co-opted or destroyed? That's funny and sad!

Look into it, then buy your boat.
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January 23, 2016, 03:04:36 AM
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this was and one of the reasons that Hearn attack chinese miners. The other reason is that he is a racist.
Well it was more likely that he was getting paid to criticize other miners in an attempt to get them to either quit or switch their blockchain, but it is fairly obvious that the method used by Hearn didn't work and now we have the scenario that we have before us right now.

Its more entertaining to see that he's had his project fail, and now its not even gaining support from the people he needs the most.














 

 

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January 23, 2016, 04:49:20 AM
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As far as I can tell, the source is a post by HaoBTC's CEO. On reddit, "KoKansei" claims reading the post and the discussion, you find the writer saying it's his personal opinions, not HaoBTC's official position he was expressing. (https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/41zk79/chinese_pools_withdraw_their_support_for_classic/cz6etuv)

I don't understand Chinese, maybe someone who can, can opine on what seems to be factual and what opinion in the source:
https://www.bikeji.com/t/3144
It's HaoBTC's COO but yeah he only claimed to speak for himself and not in the name of the company. He claims that he wants to stick with core and offers solutions to the problems we're facing now: (1) let small transactions happen offchain and only big transactions happen onchain, and (2) increase fees.
Globally this article doesn't offer much new stuff. All this was already known. It's just that of course people don't want to see any increase in fees  Roll Eyes

Also, he's not "the Chinese miners" but just one Chinese mining company's COO expressing a personal opinion. I hope Aaron van Wirdum didn't use at as a source when claiming that "Chinese miners" were sticking with Core, because in this case it means shit.
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January 23, 2016, 04:53:05 AM
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this was and one of the reasons that Hearn attack chinese miners. The other reason is that he is a racist.
Well it was more likely that he was getting paid to criticize other miners in an attempt to get them to either quit or switch their blockchain, but it is fairly obvious that the method used by Hearn didn't work and now we have the scenario that we have before us right now.

Its more entertaining to see that he's had his project fail, and now its not even gaining support from the people he needs the most.

Fifty is the new forty, and Gavin is the new Hearn. Mark my words, "they" got to him. He's their puppet now.

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January 23, 2016, 05:07:28 AM
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Anyone who truly understands the objectives of a communism state realizes that state capitalism is the end goal.

Seriously you are confused.

Until Deng (who had been imprisoned by Mao because of his capitalist ideals) China was not pursuing capitalism at all - so are you saying that the objectives of a communist state only started in 1980?
(and what exactly what do you label that which preceded Deng - "pretend communism"?)

Other well known communist states are still *not capitalist* (compared to China which is perhaps the only really capitalist "supposedly communist" country in the world) so again - what you are saying just is silly.

Unfortunately, you are the one who is "seriously confused".  Please, go enlighten yourself.  There is no difference between State Socialism and State Capitalism.

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Carl Marx...  seriously.... is this a joke?

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January 23, 2016, 05:28:25 AM
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Unfortunately, you are the one who is "seriously confused".  Please, go enlighten yourself.  There is no difference between State Socialism and State Capitalism.

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Most current Communist groups descended from the Maoist ideological tradition still adopt the description of both China and the Soviet Union as being "state-capitalist" from a certain point in their history onwards—most commonly, the Soviet Union from 1956 to its collapse in 1991, and China from 1976 to the present.

So perhaps rather than 1980 I should have written 1976 - are we quibbling over 4 years now or are you just wanting to argue about terminology rather than actual practice?

(you seem to me to be the type who "just wants to win an argument" so I'm pretty sure I'm wasting my time responding)

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January 23, 2016, 05:30:54 AM
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Maybe they just enjoy using core more than anything else. I really don't see why they would still use core though.

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January 23, 2016, 05:43:57 AM
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Unfortunately, you are the one who is "seriously confused".  Please, go enlighten yourself.  There is no difference between State Socialism and State Capitalism.

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Most current Communist groups descended from the Maoist ideological tradition still adopt the description of both China and the Soviet Union as being "state-capitalist" from a certain point in their history onwards—most commonly, the Soviet Union from 1956 to its collapse in 1991, and China from 1976 to the present.

So perhaps rather than 1980 I should have written 1976 - are we quibbling over 4 years now or are you just wanting to argue about terminology rather than actual practice?

(you seem to me to be the type who "just wants to win an argument" so I'm pretty sure I'm wasting my time responding)


You are free to have your own opinion on the true objectives of Mao's revolution.  It is my opinion and that of Vladimir Lenin that the "socialist revolution" in the communist sense is to establish "nothing but state capitalist monopoly made to benefit the whole people."

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January 23, 2016, 05:50:53 AM
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You are free to have your own opinion on the true objectives of Mao's revolution.  It is my opinion and that of Vladimir Lenin that the "socialist revolution" in the communist sense is to establish "nothing but state capitalist monopoly made to benefit the whole people."

Well - my opinion is actually based upon speaking to actual (and average) Chinese people who lived through the time of Mao (and none of which remember that time fondly) rather than on some Wikipedia pages.

And back to your whole point about this - if indeed the Chinese government is in control of Bitcoin because mining is a large/significant business operating in China then you must accept that the Chinese government is in control of Apple computers (and of computer hardware in general).

Hmm... wait - the Chinese make other things too don't they (like nearly all of the clothes people wear and toys they buy for their kids, etc.)

So again - what is your point? That the majority of manufacturing in the world today is under the control of the Chinese government?

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January 23, 2016, 06:51:10 AM
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Bitcoin core is the most simple solution and the one which is easiest to implement. So I see no problem with this, in my mind, BTC dev team should stop arguing for alternatives, implement this and business as usual.

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January 23, 2016, 06:52:27 AM
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You are free to have your own opinion on the true objectives of Mao's revolution.  It is my opinion and that of Vladimir Lenin that the "socialist revolution" in the communist sense is to establish "nothing but state capitalist monopoly made to benefit the whole people."

Well - my opinion is actually based upon speaking to actual (and average) Chinese people who lived through the time of Mao (and none of which remember that time fondly) rather than on some Wikipedia pages.

And back to your whole point about this - if indeed the Chinese government is in control of Bitcoin because mining is a large/significant business operating in China then you must accept that the Chinese government is in control of Apple computers (and of computer hardware in general).

Hmm... wait - the Chinese make other things too don't they (like nearly all of the clothes people wear and toys they buy for their kids, etc.)

So again - what is your point? That the majority of manufacturing in the world today is under the control of the Chinese government?


My point is that it is naive to believe that the Chinese communist government doesn't control all aspects of mining within its political domain because the entire point of communism, by its very definition, is to establish a "state monopoly".

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January 23, 2016, 06:53:03 AM
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http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-miners-bitcoin-classic-scaling-debate-evolves

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January 23, 2016, 06:54:59 AM
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My point is that it is naive to believe that the Chinese communist government doesn't control all aspects of mining within its political domain because the entire point of communism, by its very definition, is to establish a "state monopoly".

So as they control all aspects of computer manufacturing then the same thing applies to that and to clothing manufacturing, etc.

OMG - the world is controlled by a "state monopoly".  Roll Eyes

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January 23, 2016, 06:59:26 AM
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You are free to have your own opinion on the true objectives of Mao's revolution.  It is my opinion and that of Vladimir Lenin that the "socialist revolution" in the communist sense is to establish "nothing but state capitalist monopoly made to benefit the whole people."

Well - my opinion is actually based upon speaking to actual (and average) Chinese people who lived through the time of Mao (and none of which remember that time fondly) rather than on some Wikipedia pages.

And back to your whole point about this - if indeed the Chinese government is in control of Bitcoin because mining is a large/significant business operating in China then you must accept that the Chinese government is in control of Apple computers (and of computer hardware in general).

Hmm... wait - the Chinese make other things too don't they (like nearly all of the clothes people wear and toys they buy for their kids, etc.)

So again - what is your point? That the majority of manufacturing in the world today is under the control of the Chinese government?

Hi, Wink where do you know about China?  I think Mao is a great person, if in the present, he is not

and, a lot of people do not understand the political, but also has many people to pursue freedom of speech and democracy, people around the world need democracy (I can't find a developed country is socialist) but you know, I don't want to talk too much about politics, I am a Chinese




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January 23, 2016, 07:01:38 AM
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You are free to have your own opinion on the true objectives of Mao's revolution.  It is my opinion and that of Vladimir Lenin that the "socialist revolution" in the communist sense is to establish "nothing but state capitalist monopoly made to benefit the whole people."

Well - my opinion is actually based upon speaking to actual (and average) Chinese people who lived through the time of Mao (and none of which remember that time fondly) rather than on some Wikipedia pages.

And back to your whole point about this - if indeed the Chinese government is in control of Bitcoin because mining is a large/significant business operating in China then you must accept that the Chinese government is in control of Apple computers (and of computer hardware in general).

Hmm... wait - the Chinese make other things too don't they (like nearly all of the clothes people wear and toys they buy for their kids, etc.)

So again - what is your point? That the majority of manufacturing in the world today is under the control of the Chinese government?

Hi, Wink where do you know about China?  I think Mao is a great person, if in the present, he is not

and, a lot of people do not understand the political, but also has many people to pursue freedom of speech and democracy, people around the world need democracy (I can't find a developed country is socialist) but you know, China is not a free speech countries,I don't want to talk too much about politics, I am a Chinese


He lives in China. lol

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You are free to have your own opinion on the true objectives of Mao's revolution.  It is my opinion and that of Vladimir Lenin that the "socialist revolution" in the communist sense is to establish "nothing but state capitalist monopoly made to benefit the whole people."

Well - my opinion is actually based upon speaking to actual (and average) Chinese people who lived through the time of Mao (and none of which remember that time fondly) rather than on some Wikipedia pages.

And back to your whole point about this - if indeed the Chinese government is in control of Bitcoin because mining is a large/significant business operating in China then you must accept that the Chinese government is in control of Apple computers (and of computer hardware in general).

Hmm... wait - the Chinese make other things too don't they (like nearly all of the clothes people wear and toys they buy for their kids, etc.)

So again - what is your point? That the majority of manufacturing in the world today is under the control of the Chinese government?

Hi, Wink where do you know about China?  I think Mao is a great person, if in the present, he is not

and, a lot of people do not understand the political, but also has many people to pursue freedom of speech and democracy, people around the world need democracy (I can't find a developed country is socialist) but you know, China is not a free speech countries,I don't want to talk too much about politics, I am a Chinese


He lives in China. lol
Grin What? Bitcoin community has a lot of Chinese people, which is not surprising

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January 23, 2016, 07:21:14 AM
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My point is that it is naive to believe that the Chinese communist government doesn't control all aspects of mining within its political domain because the entire point of communism, by its very definition, is to establish a "state monopoly".

So as they control all aspects of computer manufacturing then the same thing applies to that and to clothing manufacturing, etc.

OMG - the world is controlled by a "state monopoly".  Roll Eyes


Imo, all industry located in the PRC is a state monopoly controlled by the government.  You may not have an issue with this, but anyone concerned about the state of free enterprise in the world should.  Monopoly is the antithesis to free enterprise.

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January 23, 2016, 07:23:32 AM
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My point is that it is naive to believe that the Chinese communist government doesn't control all aspects of mining within its political domain because the entire point of communism, by its very definition, is to establish a "state monopoly".

So as they control all aspects of computer manufacturing then the same thing applies to that and to clothing manufacturing, etc.

OMG - the world is controlled by a "state monopoly".  Roll Eyes


Imo, all industry located in the PRC is a state monopoly controlled by the government.  You may not have an issue with this, but anyone concerned about the state of free enterprise in the world should.  Monopoly is the antithesis to free enterprise.

That doesn't appear to be the view of the US or any other western government (and as they are democracies then I assume it isn't the opinion of the majority of their citizens either).

Free trade agreements being a very good example of the fact that western powers have no problem at all with it.

So it appears to be yourself against the majority of western citizens in the world. Smiley

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January 23, 2016, 07:25:09 AM
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My point is that it is naive to believe that the Chinese communist government doesn't control all aspects of mining within its political domain because the entire point of communism, by its very definition, is to establish a "state monopoly".

So as they control all aspects of computer manufacturing then the same thing applies to that and to clothing manufacturing, etc.

OMG - the world is controlled by a "state monopoly".  Roll Eyes


Imo, all industry located in the PRC is a state monopoly controlled by the government.  You may not have an issue with this, but anyone concerned about the state of free enterprise in the world should.  Monopoly is the antithesis to free enterprise.

That doesn't appear to be the view of the US or any other western government (and they are democracies then I assume it isn't the opinion of the majority of their citizens either).

So it appears to be yourself against the majority of western citizens in the world. Smiley


It wouldn't be the first time that the majority is uninformed.

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January 23, 2016, 07:27:14 AM
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It wouldn't be the first time that the majority is uninformed.

I don't see how uninformed got into it (thought you would just sneak that in did you)?

I don't presume that the majority of western citizens are so uninformed (although presumably you are accusing me of being uninformed along with everyone else).

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