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December 30, 2012, 12:09:51 PM
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In these times of Mass scammers out there, I urge people to use an escrow. There are many good members out there willing to help to secure the bitcoin community, There are also more people willing to do anything to scam you out of your coins, Please just do your research on someone before you part with your hard earned coins.

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Note to mod, I know this is in the wrong section as I am not selling anything, I feel we all need to be wiser, People in the selling forums are less likely to look elsewhere for information on what this is and how it is acheved,
Even if a few people read this and use escrow, Or a few scammers don't get their coins, I will consider this a good job.
Please consider not moveing out the way, This needs to be addressed.

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There is a new wave of possible scammers, People who buy up legendary accounts and trade untill they have large sum of money then run, This has been done with a very trusted account recently.

Please be cautious, I am trying to set up a 3 way secure key escrow for my personal escrows to add peace of mind.

I would like to point out, that I do not partake in escrowing forum accounts, I never have and never will, in fact its against the rules on my forum, This is a trust based commodity as it stands, if we keep moving the goal posts as well as the stadium, no one can be accountable for theft!

Keep safe people, dont give up, trust in BTC, suspect people :-)

** April 17

please watch out for fake accounts made to look like hero/legendary escrow accounts, check the join date and the letters of the name exatly! some use numerical 0 instead of alphabetical O, and please watch out for sold accounts! this forum allows selling of any account, so make it difficult to know who's still real, I do not allow selling of accounts on my forum  Roll Eyes

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December 30, 2012, 01:21:41 PM
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Stickied. I've seen enough scams happening without the use of escrow. Also, escrows increase the amount of trust a seller/buyer conveys, and thus increase the possibility of sales for newer members.

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December 30, 2012, 07:53:47 PM
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I've used escrow with a few transactions with shady people, and it totally saved the transactions. Other people have done transactions with these same people, without escrow, and suffered losses. Escrow is ALWAYS a good idea, no matter who you are trading with.

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December 31, 2012, 02:49:03 AM
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Once we get trustworthy people to handle transactions then chances are we'll hear less about scams, escrow services are probably going to replace banks for the most part at least when it comes to physical goods.
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December 31, 2012, 02:54:01 AM
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Nitpick: Prevention is better than a cure.
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December 31, 2012, 06:30:34 AM
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Nitpick: Prevention is better than a cure.
Good catch.  Tongue
Edited OP to help reflect this.

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December 31, 2012, 11:55:12 AM
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Nitpick: Prevention is better than a cure.
Good catch.  Tongue
Edited OP to help reflect this.

Yer, I type fast, Typo's are easy for me, Especially when emotion and feeling is involved.

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January 01, 2013, 09:41:39 PM
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For the time being I feel semi-safe with this practice. But I still fear the reaper.... Nothing is safe  really. It's not a matter of if It's when these sites will have something exploited.

I know most of these escrow services are serious about the work being done. but so wher a ton of the exchanges, online wallets and buyback services that have lost some serious hide after being exploited.

I commend the efforts and advocates of escrow services for coin. It's a huge step in the right direction of makeing everyone at the very least comfortable enough to trade with the currency.
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January 03, 2013, 12:00:49 AM
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in Portuguese we say: "prevenir é melhor do que remediar"

But what is an "escrow"?

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January 03, 2013, 12:57:53 AM
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in Portuguese we say: "prevenir é melhor do que remediar"

But what is an "escrow"?

 es·crow /ˈeskrō/
Noun: A bond, deed, or other
document kept in the
custody of a third party,
taking effect only when a
specified condition has
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January 03, 2013, 01:39:16 AM
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Darktongue but how it should work? Give me an example, please.

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January 03, 2013, 03:52:36 AM
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Darktongue but how it should work? Give me an example, please.

1) Buyer meets seller but afraid to do the deal for the lack of reputation on both sides. (the age old conundrum - who will send first?)
2) They meet an escrow person, someone who's not likely to run with the amount transacted.
3) Buyer sends coins to escrow, escrow confirms acceptance.
4) Seller sends item to buyer, giving tracking numbers to buyer and escrow person.
5a) Buyer confirms acceptance, escrow sends coins to seller.
5b) Buyer states item lost/damaged, escrow mediates the transaction based on evidence of both sides and decides who to send coins to.

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January 03, 2013, 11:12:06 PM
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Thanks!!  Wink

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January 16, 2013, 09:55:26 PM
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Learn about cryptographic escrow!  Actual "How It Works" text from my escrow utility available at https://casascius.com/btcaddress-alpha.zip


How Three-Party Cryptographic Escrow Works

Escrow allows two people to transact in Bitcoin while leaving their funds visible to everybody and accessible to nobody until somebody releases them.  It allows the payer or the payee to release funds to one another, and also lets a third person decide for them if the two can't agree.  The third person never has access to take the funds, and is only needed to release the funds if the original two can't agree who gets them.  Whoever gets a copy of all three "invitations" gets access to the funds.

Let's pretend that Alice wants to pay Bob, and they agree to use Eddie as their escrow agent.

First, Eddie creates a pair of Escrow Invitation codes.  This is a matched pair of codes representing a single invitation.  These codes can be used by someone else in a future transaction to give Eddie the authority to act as the escrow agent.  He gives one code to Alice and the other to Bob, and keeps a copy for himself.

Second, Bob creates a Payment Invitation and gives it only to Alice, but keeps a copy for himself.  When Alice and Bob use the escrow tool to combine their individual Escrow Invitation codes with the Payment Invitation, they'll get the same Bitcoin address.  Alice and Bob must agree they have generated the same address.

Third, Alice sends Bitcoins to that address.  Now, nobody can get them until someone releases them.

Alice can release the Bitcoins to Bob by giving a copy of her Escrow Invitation code to Bob (so that he now has both halves, as well as his Payment Invitation).  He'll use the "Collect Your Funds" tab to enter all three, and will receive the private key needed to claim the funds.  The private key can be imported into a Bitcoin client or web wallet.

Bob can give a refund to Alice by giving her a copy of his Escrow Invitation code.

Eddie can also force the payment to be awarded to Alice or Bob by giving them both Escrow Invitation codes.  Eddie can't claim the payment himself because he would also need the Payment Invitation, which he doesn't have.

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January 17, 2013, 12:36:52 AM
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^ Awesome work Casascius, had to check this one right away, now it should be way easier to do escrow-ed trades.

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January 27, 2013, 05:46:24 PM
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That crypto exchange is mathematically cool. Say Alice sold Bob plasma tv. She got proof of postage. Bob claims he got cardboard sheets in the box instead of TV. What is Eddie going to do?  Goods and services' indisputable proof of completed transaction is not there Cheesy I say use common sense. If its normally looking internet shop, with paypal, etc they are unlikely to scam you out of say 50 usd worth of btc Cheesy If its gumtree of Craigslist ad you might want to ask seller to confirm his id via Facebook Smiley And if seller wishes to remain anon well then otc web of trust or SR feedback Smiley

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February 23, 2013, 01:00:27 AM
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Wouldn't simply using bitmit for transactions be an acceptable form of escrow? Are they trustworthy?

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March 21, 2013, 03:48:58 PM
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Use common sense when dealing on the internet... PERIOD
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Learn about cryptographic escrow!  Actual "How It Works" text from my escrow utility available at https://casascius.com/btcaddress-alpha.zip


How Three-Party Cryptographic Escrow Works

Escrow allows two people to transact in Bitcoin while leaving their funds visible to everybody and accessible to nobody until somebody releases them.  It allows the payer or the payee to release funds to one another, and also lets a third person decide for them if the two can't agree.  The third person never has access to take the funds, and is only needed to release the funds if the original two can't agree who gets them.  Whoever gets a copy of all three "invitations" gets access to the funds....



Casascius, the 3 party cryptographic escrow sounds like a neat solution. Who offers this service?
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Wouldn't simply using bitmit for transactions be an acceptable form of escrow? Are they trustworthy?

Yes, they are a form of escrow, but you have to flat pay a fee. Other escrows have lesser fees since they are not a true marketplace.

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As a rule of thumb, NEVER pay for escrow services. Tipping someone doing it voluntarily is something different. If someone wants to be paid (usually a small amount), don't you think they'd be happy to take your "escrowed" funds as an additional form of "payment"? I say escrow ONLY w/mods or users with an extensive blemish free-trade history. I've posted somewhere else, but I will volunteer my escrow services. Do your due-diligence on me before you take me up on it though Wink
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As a rule of thumb, NEVER pay for escrow services. Tipping someone doing it voluntarily is something different. If someone wants to be paid (usually a small amount), don't you think they'd be happy to take your "escrowed" funds as an additional form of "payment"? I say escrow ONLY w/mods or users with an extensive blemish free-trade history. I've posted somewhere else, but I will volunteer my escrow services. Do your due-diligence on me before you take me up on it though Wink

I do require a fee for more substantial trades now (50+BTC) to deal with the extended risk. An escrow that requires no fees for bigger deals is either someone who's really good(as he is effectively looking at negative ROI with the risk) or someone who will run if any problems arises. (getting hacked etc)

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April 22, 2013, 10:40:33 PM
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Good to know, bookmarked for future reference. I've been swindled quite a bit in the past in various communities and buy a variety of friends so when pre-cautions are possible you can count me in.

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Newb/Jr's listen to this advice lol. I believe i have been scammed, I could have avoided the scam if I went with escrow. Unfortunately there are human beings out there who would rather take your money then attain enough intelligence to make their own money.
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May 04, 2013, 07:45:01 AM
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Newb/Jr's listen to this advice lol. I believe i have been scammed, I could have avoided the scam if I went with escrow. Unfortunately there are human beings out there who would rather take your money then attain enough intelligence to make their own money.
Report him to the scammers thread. I was following your transaction because I almost sent the guy money too.

I believe his friend on the board is controlled by him too so I'd recommend reporting him too just so he can't use that account to scam someone else.

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Newb/Jr's listen to this advice lol. I believe i have been scammed, I could have avoided the scam if I went with escrow. Unfortunately there are human beings out there who would rather take your money then attain enough intelligence to make their own money.
Report him to the scammers thread. I was following your transaction because I almost sent the guy money too.

I believe his friend on the board is controlled by him too so I'd recommend reporting him too just so he can't use that account to scam someone else.

I cant report him yet as the loan is still valid, it ends on the 6th and I would hate it if he was legit but go banned before paying back the loan lol. He has not been active since that day so I doubt he would be scamming anyone else with his account.
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I cant report him yet as the loan is still valid, it ends on the 6th and I would hate it if he was legit but go banned before paying back the loan lol. He has not been active since that day so I doubt he would be scamming anyone else with his account.
I thought it was due yesterday, sorry.

Hopefully he pays you back but it's not looking great. I got scammed recently too. It really sucks. Makes you lose faith in humanity.

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2) They meet an escrow person, someone who's CANNOT to run with the amount transacted.

BTW it should be this way and not "unlikely", But for some reason no one likes 2 sig addresses!

I don't mind if it was 1 sig and John was the escrow  Roll Eyes, Yes John you got a stalker now, Deal with it  Kiss

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May 11, 2013, 04:21:42 PM
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+1 Very good idea to use escrow.  Probably a good percentage of the recent new users are scammers, as well as some of the non-recent users.

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June 04, 2013, 02:36:05 PM
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Hya guys,

I have started a new escrow recently and I offering discounts to my customers for a good few weeks until the website is up. Please see the thread below, if you wish to talk live with me either PM or even chat to me in the BTC-E chatbox as I am one of the moderators on there. I am located in the Midlands, UK, and I am more than happy to meet in person for extra security and you can even have an ID proof.

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Learn about cryptographic escrow!  Actual "How It Works" text from my escrow utility available at https://casascius.com/btcaddress-alpha.zip


How Three-Party Cryptographic Escrow Works

Escrow allows two people to transact in Bitcoin while leaving their funds visible to everybody and accessible to nobody until somebody releases them.  It allows the payer or the payee to release funds to one another, and also lets a third person decide for them if the two can't agree.  The third person never has access to take the funds, and is only needed to release the funds if the original two can't agree who gets them.  Whoever gets a copy of all three "invitations" gets access to the funds....



Casascius, the 3 party cryptographic escrow sounds like a neat solution. Who offers this service?

Kato, I've implemented Casascius cryptographic escrow into an easy to use web service that doesn't need any 3rd party intervention. So two people could transact between each other and handle escrows themselves without having to trust a 3rd party. I don't save the wallet addresses, payment codes, or private keys to the database. I don't want to highjack the thread just wanted to point that out.
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Kato, I've implemented Casascius cryptographic escrow into an easy to use web service that doesn't need any 3rd party intervention. So two people could transact between each other and handle escrows themselves without having to trust a 3rd party. I don't save the wallet addresses, payment codes, or private keys to the database. I don't want to highjack the thread just wanted to point that out.

Lol, how is that? Please enlighten us how your web service works.

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Kato, I've implemented Casascius cryptographic escrow into an easy to use web service that doesn't need any 3rd party intervention. So two people could transact between each other and handle escrows themselves without having to trust a 3rd party. I don't save the wallet addresses, payment codes, or private keys to the database. I don't want to highjack the thread just wanted to point that out.

Lol, how is that? Please enlighten us how your web service works.

Because the important part of the process is generated by the user client side. So say a buyer needs to setup an escrow, they would generate their escrow code A. Input that escrow code A into step 2 to generate a wallet address and payment code. hit complete the escrow transaction and send an email to the other party with the details of the transaction. Send another email to themselves with the escrow details. Originating user never sees the escrow code B, all we store is the two escrow codes and corresponding emails. Thats all we need it's based on a 3 key transaction to unlock the funds. Both users have 2 pieces of the puzzle (Buyer - Escrow Code A, Payment Code, Wallet Address) (Seller - Escrow Code B, Payment Code, Wallet Address) (Coinguard - Escrow Code A, Escrow Code B, Email1, Email2)

I designed the system so I can never see what the wallet address or payment code are. I knew this would be a sticking point for users and in general the safety of the site. Because if I stored everything it allow people to hack the site, and so I never can ever run with funds. I don't even know what the addresses of the wallets are, nor the private key. But that also means that if you lose a piece of the escrow I can't help you because none of that info was stored.  

I know many will be skeptical but if people don't test it out how will trust ever be established. People don't have to put btc in the test escrow account to kick the tires to see how the service works.

I can easily provide a screenshot of the db tables that are stored. I will even give a trusted member access to the backend to validate I'm telling the truth.

I would even invite casascius to try it out, and I think he would be pleasantly surprised.
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I can easily provide a screenshot of the db tables that are stored. I will even give a trusted member access to the backend to validate I'm telling the truth.
And what prevents you from changing the system once its validated?
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I see a few sigs denouncing Ripple... Im with you guys Smiley

escrow is fine, if you can trust them. The way the Govt. is hounding currency exchangers, it wont be long before escrow comes under attack... or am I missing the point?

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Thank you so much, I been meaning make a list of all the "trusted" escrow people on the forum.

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I see a few sigs denouncing Ripple... Im with you guys Smiley

escrow is fine, if you can trust them. The way the Govt. is hounding currency exchangers, it wont be long before escrow comes under attack... or am I missing the point?
Ya - John offers the most popular escrow service as far as I can tell, but does not live in the US, doesn't have any physical or registered businesses relating to the escrow service in the US (AFAIK), probably doesn't have US bank accounts holding customers' USD, and has no US-controlled domain they can seize. That's practically complete protection from government interference.  Cheesy

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I see a few sigs denouncing Ripple... Im with you guys Smiley

escrow is fine, if you can trust them. The way the Govt. is hounding currency exchangers, it wont be long before escrow comes under attack... or am I missing the point?
Ya - John offers the most popular escrow service as far as I can tell, but does not live in the US, doesn't have any physical or registered businesses relating to the escrow service in the US (AFAIK), probably doesn't have US bank accounts holding customers' USD, and has no US-controlled domain they can seize. That's practically complete protection from government interference.  Cheesy

 Tongue Correct - and my country of citizenship does not have a history of giving in to the old States' demands. This may change though as I may need to live in the States for a few years.  Embarrassed Oh, and I would never do fiat-based escrows, just for the record.

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I see a few sigs denouncing Ripple... Im with you guys Smiley

escrow is fine, if you can trust them. The way the Govt. is hounding currency exchangers, it wont be long before escrow comes under attack... or am I missing the point?
Ya - John offers the most popular escrow service as far as I can tell, but does not live in the US, doesn't have any physical or registered businesses relating to the escrow service in the US (AFAIK), probably doesn't have US bank accounts holding customers' USD, and has no US-controlled domain they can seize. That's practically complete protection from government interference.  Cheesy

 Tongue Correct - and my country of citizenship does not have a history of giving in to the old States' demands. This may change though as I may need to live in the States for a few years.  Embarrassed Oh, and I would never do fiat-based escrows, just for the record.
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I see a few sigs denouncing Ripple... Im with you guys Smiley

escrow is fine, if you can trust them. The way the Govt. is hounding currency exchangers, it wont be long before escrow comes under attack... or am I missing the point?
Ya - John offers the most popular escrow service as far as I can tell, but does not live in the US, doesn't have any physical or registered businesses relating to the escrow service in the US (AFAIK), probably doesn't have US bank accounts holding customers' USD, and has no US-controlled domain they can seize. That's practically complete protection from government interference.  Cheesy

 Tongue Correct - and my country of citizenship does not have a history of giving in to the old States' demands. This may change though as I may need to live in the States for a few years.  Embarrassed Oh, and I would never do fiat-based escrows, just for the record.
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Nah, I'm fine. Cheesy Thanks for the offer though, can't wait to see other Bitcoiners over at the States!

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Does any service do computer game account escrow?

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What kind of game account are we talking about? It would mean that the escrow party has access to the game, and can change the password.

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A EvE online account.
The Escrow could be done through the website.

It would take 24 to 48 hours to compleate the character transfer.

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I see a few sigs denouncing Ripple... Im with you guys Smiley

escrow is fine, if you can trust them. The way the Govt. is hounding currency exchangers, it wont be long before escrow comes under attack... or am I missing the point?

Why would bitcoin escrow services come under attack? They do not exchange BTC into fiat, so what justification would the government use to go after them?

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A EvE online account.
The Escrow could be done through the website.

It would take 24 to 48 hours to compleate the character transfer.

As long as I don't have to download a 1 gigabyte client or 100 gigabytes of game data, I can do it. I used to play some MMORPGs and they used to require huge downloads, game updates, etc.

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Many people are worried about getting scammed, but are all the escrow services trustworthy?

If escrow is the solution to reduce scamming, can we be sure escrow services are legit?  Are there any escrow services to avoid? Any ones that are widely recommended?

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Many people are worried about getting scammed, but are all the escrow services trustworthy?


Not all are legit.

Any ones that are widely recommended?

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I am looking for small (tiny!) transactions to act as an Escrow Provider for to build trust in the community.

I posted more details here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=264799.new#new

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well how can you know if you can trust the escrow service though :/
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well how can you know if you can trust the escrow service though :/

You cannot trust them "absolutely". But again you cannot trust anything "absolutely". You have to "relatively" trust them. For myself I follow these guidelines:

1- Never scale up escrow trusted amounts: (If the community trusted this escrow with 100-200BTC in the past, Don't go ahead with 1000+BTC deals with this escrow -_-!)

2- Never do any transactions in private (Self explanatory)

3- Have everything cryptographically signed by a known key for the escrow (Self explanatory)

I hope this helps.

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There is an escrow whitelist / blacklist compiled here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=276897.0

John K is of course in the top spot. (And yay!, I'm next.)

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That crypto exchange is mathematically cool. Say Alice sold Bob plasma tv. She got proof of postage. Bob claims he got cardboard sheets in the box instead of TV. What is Eddie going to do?  Goods and services' indisputable proof of completed transaction is not there Cheesy I say use common sense. If its normally looking internet shop, with paypal, etc they are unlikely to scam you out of say 50 usd worth of btc Cheesy If its gumtree of Craigslist ad you might want to ask seller to confirm his id via Facebook Smiley And if seller wishes to remain anon well then otc web of trust or SR feedback Smiley

You're spot on.  The "you sent me an empty package" scam is common.  I know because I've sent out tens of thousands of packages in my business and there are customers who probably never pay for anything they order online.

What we do is carefully weigh every order before packaging it up.  That way they cannot claim the package was shipped empty or with missing items etc.  Well, they do sometimes try but at least we know for a fact it didn't happen.

In defense of some customers, it could be a little brother or other household member gets to the package first and removes stuff before the real owner knows the package has arrived.  This is actually quite common.

We really need a customer rating system too so that merchants can avoid them.

As you mention, a company selling hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of stuff every year is likely not going to try and scam you out of fifty bucks.  Doesn't make sense, just too small of an amount for them to risk losing the confidence of potential customers.

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There is an escrow whitelist / blacklist compiled here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=276897.0

John K is of course in the top spot. (And yay!, I'm next.)

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There is an escrow whitelist / blacklist compiled here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=276897.0

John K is of course in the top spot. (And yay!, I'm next.)

Kluge, the evil mastermind, took it from you. Wink
Dabs should be there, but the trust system is still fairly new, and kind of wonky. Using defaulttrust to proclaim some objective trustworthiness rating is sketchy.

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There is an escrow whitelist / blacklist compiled here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=276897.0

John K is of course in the top spot. (And yay!, I'm next.)
Kluge, the evil mastermind, took it from you. Wink
I will never use Kluge for escrow again. Everyone got paid in the end, but he was extremely unprofessional, and dishonest.

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There is an escrow whitelist / blacklist compiled here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=276897.0

John K is of course in the top spot. (And yay!, I'm next.)
Kluge, the evil mastermind, took it from you. Wink
I will never use Kluge for escrow again. Everyone got paid in the end, but he was extremely unprofessional, and dishonest.

I video all my parcels, sign for them, take them in and open and inspect it, I even set it up in ONE take if necessary, This has helped me out more than once.

I'm sorta relieved i'm not on this other whitelist/blacklist thing, I am happy doing escrows on the quiet.

I would like to ask the community, EVERYONE is using johnK, Not saying this is a bad thing, He's a sound person and I have had good dealings with him, But the list of reputable escrows are still very slim, Do you think this is going to get too much for one person? Is this how we run a decentralized community?

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When John K was busy, I got more contracts. Then he finally settled in, and the contracts dried up. So if he gets too many, escrow will become decentralized. Don't worry about it.

He deservedly has the highest fees now.

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Is John K around.  Ishe trusted still!???.



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Is John K around.  Ishe trusted still!???.



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How does one become an escrow "agent"?  I wouldn't mind help facilitating a sale or be the middle man in a sale.  I've never offered it before but I'd have to start from somewhere.  I'll do it for free.. no donations required either.. I just wanna' learn.
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How to find best escrow.. ??
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Escrow is very well and good but you are still putting trust in other people who may have a difference of opinion to the seller in terms of a dispute.

I firmly believe that buyers should be responsible for doing all the due diligence that they see fit before sending payment for any goods or services, common sense, above all else, should tell you if you're going to be ripped off or not.

If someone wants to sell something it is the buyers prerogative to make absolutely sure that the seller is genuine - of course it has hard to be certain that newer members are 100% legitimate - if you have doubt don't deal with them. Using an escrow service is fine, but I don't believe it is the future, especially for online retailers as they are not likely to accept BTC if escrow is required, it's simply too time consuming.

If a brand new member claims to have 1000 BTC and wants to sell, without even offering proof of wallet ownership - don't bother asking for escrow - it's simply a scam, move on. But if someone is trying to sell a small amount of BTC from a long time account and you are interested, it is for the buyer to meet the sellers terms if they choose to respond to the advert. The buyer after all did not advertise 'Selling $100 for 0.15 BTC, message if interested'.

I hate scams as much as anyone else, it's awful for people to contemplate stealing someone else's BTC or anything else for that matter. But if I want to sell something - you meet my terms. Just as if I want to buy something from you I would expect to meet your terms. I think only this way is the future for BTC. Use care and common sense and you should be OK.



 

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I agreed  about using escrow thank you for share.
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i think people should have the details of any escrow service such as telephone number and address and next of kin telephone number.

not necessarily people who do escrow have to give out sensitive information but people should be advised only to use those who do

after all those people are holding our money.

see here (i am not affiliated and not promoting)  maidek offers escrow  see here   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133985.0  with phone number and his ebay details  which is a start.

i am only reporting this after seeing john k disappear for over a month without leaving a trace behind him and he was the biggest one.  he was always honest and was a college student but anyone who had money by him is now stuck with no contact.

see here and further posts  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141672.msg4275680#msg4275680

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good advice ^


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Ok,

I think there needs to be some new rules established for this forum. There are way too many scams going on in the marketplace and too many new users showing up with lots of pricey hardware for sale with little or no proof that they own it.

That said, I think some simple rules and regulations for posting in classifieds would be very helpful.

1. All for sale threads MUST have atleast one picture of the physical item you are selling which includes a piece of paper with user name and date in the shot. This is required on many other forums and is a no-brainer.

2. A list of payment options posted in the very first post with it clearly stated whether escrow is accepted or not and who the preferred escrow provider would be.

Finally. Its been a while since I was a newbie but if I remember correctly. There were requirements for post counts etc. before posting in the rest of the site. I think it would be nice if these were made a little stricter for the marketplace section... something like >50 posts required.

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As a mod here I don't want to intervene too much, and tell people how they should do business, and your proposed changes won't stop people from scamming and getting scammed .

In the past one had to make 4 posts and stay online for 4 hours (cumulatively) to be able to post outside the newbies' section, now it's 1 post & 4h. The 50 posts requirement to post in Marketplace wouldn't be much of a deterrent because there are plenty of people that post more than that daily, it would make more sense if it was based on Activity but I would still be against such measures as it would only stop the laziest and the most obvious scammers.

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I understand where u are coming from... but from what I can tell... about half of the newbie posts in hardware are obvious scams. It makes it tedious to even browse hardware...

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As a rule of thumb, NEVER pay for escrow services. Tipping someone doing it voluntarily is something different. If someone wants to be paid (usually a small amount), don't you think they'd be happy to take your "escrowed" funds as an additional form of "payment"? I say escrow ONLY w/mods or users with an extensive blemish free-trade history. I've posted somewhere else, but I will volunteer my escrow services. Do your due-diligence on me before you take me up on it though Wink

I do require a fee for more substantial trades now (50+BTC) to deal with the extended risk. An escrow that requires no fees for bigger deals is either someone who's really good(as he is effectively looking at negative ROI with the risk) or someone who will run if any problems arises. (getting hacked etc)
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Escrow protects the buyer, but how does it protect the seller?  What if the buyer makes false claims of broken hardware, etc?

Please someone let me know, I am interested in selling some things and want to make sure everything will go smooth.

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Where can I find a list of escrow services providers?  Huh
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Where can I find a list of escrow services providers?  Huh

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108716.0
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=276897.0

This one is more updated.

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Escrow protects the buyer, but how does it protect the seller?  What if the buyer makes false claims of broken hardware, etc?

Please someone let me know, I am interested in selling some things and want to make sure everything will go smooth.

I am still wondering about this.  Anyone?

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Thanks  man for a  list of escrow services providers. That's good to use it as you can make sure there is no scam.
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Escrow protects the buyer, but how does it protect the seller?  What if the buyer makes false claims of broken hardware, etc?

Please someone let me know, I am interested in selling some things and want to make sure everything will go smooth.

I am still wondering about this.  Anyone?
Man-in-the-middle is a partial solution, but there's no way to fully solve it AFAIK. The escrow provider is shipped the item from the seller, escrow provider verifies its contents and can probably test any hardware for a couple hours, and then the escrow provider ships it to the buyer. That's expensive, though, and doesn't definitively rule out electronics, in particular, getting banged up in the shipping process from the escrow provider to the buyer.

The most reasonable way to go about it is to just honor refunds like virtually every online seller on Earth. Have a brief testing window in the purchase agreement - maybe two or three days from the time it's delivered. If the buyer says it's DoA, he pays shipping back and is fully refunded what was held in escrow. The brief refund window makes the shipping costs on the buyer's side too expensive to lie about for profit, unlike 30-90 day refund windows with companies like Newegg or Tiger Direct.

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yes escrow is safe for both seller and buyer

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Escrow protects the buyer, but how does it protect the seller?  What if the buyer makes false claims of broken hardware, etc?

Please someone let me know, I am interested in selling some things and want to make sure everything will go smooth.

I am still wondering about this.  Anyone?
Man-in-the-middle is a partial solution, but there's no way to fully solve it AFAIK. The escrow provider is shipped the item from the seller, escrow provider verifies its contents and can probably test any hardware for a couple hours, and then the escrow provider ships it to the buyer. That's expensive, though, and doesn't definitively rule out electronics, in particular, getting banged up in the shipping process from the escrow provider to the buyer.

The most reasonable way to go about it is to just honor refunds like virtually every online seller on Earth. Have a brief testing window in the purchase agreement - maybe two or three days from the time it's delivered. If the buyer says it's DoA, he pays shipping back and is fully refunded what was held in escrow. The brief refund window makes the shipping costs on the buyer's side too expensive to lie about for profit, unlike 30-90 day refund windows with companies like Newegg or Tiger Direct.

Very good, thank you Smiley

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Escrow is better then nothing.

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Thanks for the escrow list

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Hi i want to sell items online using BTC but i don't know how to use escrow. are there any fees that i need to pay if i am the seller?
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That is true, I invested several coins, but some of them cheat. However, we could not find reliable escrow to support.
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Now more and more a liar, legerdemain more and more is also high, hope there will be less Huh

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For Security and other services here are charges involved. But, definitely you will be free of mind that a transaction is safe and secure.

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Hiya, I will be removing the thumbs up approach and starting a trading trust list, This will include everyone.

NOTE - I keep leaving too long a gap between updates, I am sorry  Embarrassed I will strive to do better, If I have not included you thus far, please post after this one, I will update in day or two, Also, If I have missed your PM I would rather you post your services here, I do alot of escrows myself and PM's tend to get lost.

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In these times of Mass scammers out there, I urge people to use an escrow. There are many good members out there willing to help to secure the bitcoin community, There are also more people willing to do anything to scam you out of your coins, Please just do your research on someone before you part with your hard earned coins.

An escrow list

Note to mod, I know this is in the wrong section as I am not selling anything, I feel we all need to be wiser, People in the selling forums are less likely to look elsewhere for information on what this is and how it is acheved,
Even if a few people read this and use escrow, Or a few scammers don't get their coins, I will consider this a good job.
Please consider not moveing out the way, This needs to be addressed.

While I support what you are saying the problem is we will never get btc main stream if we continue to escrow. We actually need a service like ebay or place where people transfer their btc and leave it there and the shipper ships the items to them once he posts the tracking number he should be paid. I am selling some stuff. I dont mind accepting escrow/btc/credit cards. But I would prefer people use more btc then any other method.

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k I just read up on escrow. Basically escrow is for btc. As a seller I do have a question it says that the buyer has to release the funds once the seller ships. What if the seller ships and buyer doesnt release the funds where does the seller stand then?
I have looked at the following
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In these times of Mass scammers out there, I urge people to use an escrow. There are many good members out there willing to help to secure the bitcoin community, There are also more people willing to do anything to scam you out of your coins, Please just do your research on someone before you part with your hard earned coins.

An escrow list

Note to mod, I know this is in the wrong section as I am not selling anything, I feel we all need to be wiser, People in the selling forums are less likely to look elsewhere for information on what this is and how it is acheved,
Even if a few people read this and use escrow, Or a few scammers don't get their coins, I will consider this a good job.
Please consider not moveing out the way, This needs to be addressed.

Thx for the list,im trying to sell my one of my Cam BTC Girls website HotCam.ro on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=596595.msg7392067#msg7392067 and for sure i will use an escrow from the list.Thx again.
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In these times of Mass scammers out there, I urge people to use an escrow. There are many good members out there willing to help to secure the bitcoin community, There are also more people willing to do anything to scam you out of your coins, Please just do your research on someone before you part with your hard earned coins.

An escrow list

Note to mod, I know this is in the wrong section as I am not selling anything, I feel we all need to be wiser, People in the selling forums are less likely to look elsewhere for information on what this is and how it is acheved,
Even if a few people read this and use escrow, Or a few scammers don't get their coins, I will consider this a good job.
Please consider not moveing out the way, This needs to be addressed.

While I support what you are saying the problem is we will never get btc main stream if we continue to escrow. We actually need a service like ebay or place where people transfer their btc and leave it there and the shipper ships the items to them once he posts the tracking number he should be paid. I am selling some stuff. I dont mind accepting escrow/btc/credit cards. But I would prefer people use more btc then any other method.
Here is the service like ebay,no this is better) http://cryptobid.org we are still working on it,but beta version already here  http://beta.cryptobid.org
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Forgive my ignorance, I saw that the trustworthiness of "john k" was called into question on this thread, how did that shake out? I am asking because I am triyng to get a handle on things before I look to use an escrow service when I sell my coins. He was quite high on the list of trusted persons.
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I have used Escrows many times. but I never use single MM for Big trancations, rather I Divide that amount and Use different MM, this is because I have Seen on some forums MM has also Scamed Peoples.
But escrow is always best option
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Forgive my ignorance, I saw that the trustworthiness of "john k" was called into question on this thread, how did that shake out? I am asking because I am triyng to get a handle on things before I look to use an escrow service when I sell my coins. He was quite high on the list of trusted persons.
he came back, said he was ill, repaid his escrows and went off again. he is not around enough to use.
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Thats exactly what the problem is of the people at most of the forums , they dont know how to deal online and after they are scammed they blame the forum to have bad members and dont see what they are doing .

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With escrow we can very safe .....  Kiss
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My program makes it easy to create an escrow between two people without a middleman. It use bitmessage network to send key's and all what need to create multisig escrow. The only negative, you should have downloaded the whole bloсkchain because program use Satishi's bitcoin-qt. Developing lite version with electrum. It is open source. More about it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=589578.0 or bitxbay.ws
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When we give people the authority to handle the transactions, we give them the right to take decisions. According to me, escrow services are probably going to replace banks for the most part at least when it comes to physical goods.
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Have been using escrow for a long period now, but is nothing if you are transacting with a trustworthy person

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I am willing to do small escrow amounts of 1 btc and under.  see my trust here

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In these times of Mass scammers out there, I urge people to use an escrow. There are many good members out there willing to help to secure the bitcoin community, There are also more people willing to do anything to scam you out of your coins, Please just do your research on someone before you part with your hard earned coins.

An escrow list

Note to mod, I know this is in the wrong section as I am not selling anything, I feel we all need to be wiser, People in the selling forums are less likely to look elsewhere for information on what this is and how it is acheved,
Even if a few people read this and use escrow, Or a few scammers don't get their coins, I will consider this a good job.
Please consider not moveing out the way, This needs to be addressed.

Liar, nothing is 100% safe. This thread is an example and proves that we will be fooled everyday!
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In these times of Mass scammers out there, I urge people to use an escrow. There are many good members out there willing to help to secure the bitcoin community, There are also more people willing to do anything to scam you out of your coins, Please just do your research on someone before you part with your hard earned coins.

An escrow list

Note to mod, I know this is in the wrong section as I am not selling anything, I feel we all need to be wiser, People in the selling forums are less likely to look elsewhere for information on what this is and how it is acheved,
Even if a few people read this and use escrow, Or a few scammers don't get their coins, I will consider this a good job.
Please consider not moveing out the way, This needs to be addressed.

Liar, nothing is 100% safe. This thread is an example and proves that we will be fooled everyday!

Erm, Where did I say this was 100% safe? I will reiterate for you

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Why aren't services like BITHALO or counterparty mentioned?? 3rd party escrow is exactly what we (crypto) want to avoid... Decentralized currency... No coercion.. No monopolies... No more mt. gox or moolahs man. These "trusted" escrows are all trusted until the price is right then "oops we lost the funds"...   :/
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Why aren't services like BITHALO or counterparty mentioned?? 3rd party escrow is exactly what we (crypto) want to avoid... Decentralized currency... No coercion.. No monopolies... No more mt. gox or moolahs man. These "trusted" escrows are all trusted until the price is right then "oops we lost the funds"...   :/

Unfortunately any escrow is essentially a 3rd party, Tho I agree with you, but this list is for users on bitcointalk.org wishing to help the community, not users hiding behind a company name on a fake whois website (not reference to pre-mentioned services) so when they run of with coins it's the companies fault.

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thanks man i used paypal before and trust me irts one of the worst proccessors to use

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wheres a good place to do this at? where should i get an escrow sorry.. newbie here
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108716.0

There's a list in the op but it's not incredibly up to date. Check the Services section for people offering escrows but only use them if they have plenty of feedback and evidence of previous trades.

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Thanks for posting this mate, i need it for my future transactions.
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108716.0

There's a list in the op but it's not incredibly up to date. Check the Services section for people offering escrows but only use them if they have plenty of feedback and evidence of previous trades.

+1   

I have now gone through the list, Should be better now, But all ways good advice to do your research before sending any money to anyone.

Thanks for posting this mate, i need it for my future transactions.

No worries, Please check updated list and look as recent user history to see if its all still good.  Grin

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Very useful the Escrow List!
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Escrow is a dying dog... Why use a middle man when you can use smart contracts that were just release in Bitbay.
I've used escrow many times... and every time there was issues... First the escrow agent went AWOL and made me wait a few days to get paid, in the mean time btc price dropped and I lost money.


Bitbay and smart contracts are the new escrows!

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Hello,

Just wondering: how can you be sure that the seller doesn't know the escrow? I mean, the escrow list is not that big and moreover the same escrow can be hidden under different usernames. Also, i noticed that there are only three or four "large" sellers of Casascius coins in this forum. So, even if the buyer choose the escrow, is there a risk that the the seller "knows" the escrow?

Am i becoming paranoiac?

What do experts think about it?

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Hello,

Just wondering: how can you be sure that the seller doesn't know the escrow? I mean, the escrow list is not that big and moreover the same escrow can be hidden under different usernames. Also, i noticed that there are only three or four "large" sellers of Casascius coins in this forum. So, even if the buyer choose the escrow, is there a risk that the the seller "knows" the escrow?

Am i becoming paranoiac?

What do experts think about it?

Cheers,

Bestcoin_59

As one that has sold many Casascius Coins on the forum, I have performed both escrow'ed and non-escrowed trades.  There are a few members on the forum that are well known for their escrow service and have handled 100's of BTC for transactions.  If you do not feel comfortable, contact some of the members and ask them about their process.  I have used DannyHamilton and OgNasty for both buying and selling.  I do not know them other than their professionalism in performing escrow transactions for me.

Yes, there is a risk anytime you make a transaction with parties you do not know, but escrow with an agent who has a perfect feedback in the area reduces the risk greatly.  I have done enough trades and have earned the good feedback that many times I perform trades with others with similar earned trust without escrow.
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Great job ! Create an awareness about using escrow. i always use their services and everyone that buys/sells should do it also:)
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855778.0

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Most used and trusted escrow providers' list. Smiley

Nice thread! Keep up the good work, Squall! Smiley

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February 09, 2015, 06:40:34 PM
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Maybe we should change the original post in this thread to something more informative.
I didn't know what an "escrow" was when I signed up here. People will see "Please escrow" and won't know what it is.
Maybe add a simple explanation?

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can anyone will help mr eith this escrow.thing.....I wanna know what is it and how it works

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can anyone will help mr eith this escrow.thing.....I wanna know what is it and how it works

Escrow is a a bond, deed, or other document kept in the custody of a third party and taking effect only when a specified condition has been fulfilled. That is, suppose you want to sell 1BTC for $222. You will send your 1BTC to a trusted person for escrowing it. When buyer sends you $222 into your account, you will tell the escrower that you received the money. Then the escrower releases the 1BTC to the buyer's Bitcoin address. This is how escrow works.

A list of good escrow providers : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855778.0

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Thanks for the OP and updates.  Thanks to the Mods that stickied this so everyone knows (including me).  Use an escrow for sales.
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Great info. Love the title. Thanks for trying to keep this place safe. Lord knows we need all the help we can get.

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Hungarian escrow is here?
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Now a days I said to the clients to keep the money in escrow. It's safe and secure.
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March 03, 2015, 04:00:26 AM
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It's all about trust.
I figured out that trading for BTC is similar as trading for money.
Trust and confidence are in charge! Wink

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Im totally agree on this point that prevention is better than cure...
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Any good escrow websites?
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Any good escrow websites?

I don't suggest you to use a website for escrowing. It is better to use in-forum escrowers.

A list of escrowers can be seen here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855778.0.

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There are many scams happening around us so its better to play safe. I suggest to use escrow services as it is safe and trustworthy. Y should we pay our hard earned money to those scammers its better to be smart and wise before investing in anything. So Prevention is always better than a  cure.
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Its better not to trust anyone online because the biggest threat would be the same that you have faith in someone and he will cheat you this goes with personal life also and internet is ocean of information so cant afford to trust anyone So its better to play safe.
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How can I provide escrow services to users here so that I can start gaining some trust? I want to break out of this noob reputation...not to mention I'd like to put my honest morality to some good use.  I have proof of honest sales made on eBay and reddit, but not much besides that :/

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How can I provide escrow services to users here so that I can start gaining some trust? I want to break out of this noob reputation...not to mention I'd like to put my honest morality to some good use.  I have proof of honest sales made on eBay and reddit, but not much besides that :/

People generally only accept escrow services from trusted, well-established members of the community. Nobody would accept an escrow service from a newbie account because of the high amount of risk involved - the escrow might run away with the funds.

If you want to build your reputation here, you should be active and write constructive posts, and you should trade slowly as your rank increases. Eventually, you will have made enough honest sales that you will have built a strong trust profile and will have a good reputation, but this will take time and effort.
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How can I provide escrow services to users here so that I can start gaining some trust? I want to break out of this noob reputation...not to mention I'd like to put my honest morality to some good use.  I have proof of honest sales made on eBay and reddit, but not much besides that :/

People generally only accept escrow services from trusted, well-established members of the community. Nobody would accept an escrow service from a newbie account because of the high amount of risk involved - the escrow might run away with the funds.

If you want to build your reputation here, you should be active and write constructive posts, and you should trade slowly as your rank increases. Eventually, you will have made enough honest sales that you will have built a strong trust profile and will have a good reputation, but this will take time and effort.

Thanks for the response.  Where do you recommend I start gaining reputation?  I'd prefer to start off with small amounts, not only because I don't know who to trust, but for reasons you've brought up about my current standing.  Thanks again, highly appreciated!

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How can I provide escrow services to users here so that I can start gaining some trust? I want to break out of this noob reputation...not to mention I'd like to put my honest morality to some good use.  I have proof of honest sales made on eBay and reddit, but not much besides that :/

Why would you want to be an escrow? It's a pain in the ass and hardly worth it if you're trying to earn BTC.

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Are escrow provider win a lot or no ??
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Well said dear friend. Thank you for the information, as a newbie, I'll keep that in mind since I'm probably going to be heavily involved in trading.

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It definitely is hard to build trust. And for good reason. My company, Gray and Sons, has already completed one transaction through the forum, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1036436.0 , and another person made a fake account called qraysrolex and tried to scam money from a potential customer. Everyone be careful and trade with caution. We are doing as much as we can to show our authenticity. We have a real store with 20 real employees, and a real showroom in Miami Beach Florida. We're just starting to accept Bitcoin and it hasn't been easy so far.
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It definitely is hard to build trust. And for good reason. My company, Gray and Sons, has already completed one transaction through the forum, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1036436.0 , and another person made a fake account called qraysrolex and tried to scam money from a potential customer. Everyone be careful and trade with caution. We are doing as much as we can to show our authenticity. We have a real store with 20 real employees, and a real showroom in Miami Beach Florida. We're just starting to accept Bitcoin and it hasn't been easy so far.

I agree. I have watched your posts since you started and it was painful at first watching you get lambasted with scam accusations.

As you know, it's because you are selling luxury goods, so yes, you need to build trust, in fact, you really need someone from the Default Trust group to vouch for you so you have a bright green trust rating. Wink

Anyhow, keep on keeping on , watch the scams and don't get discouraged. Hell, I live in a place where 99% of the people never heard of bitcoin, you are lucky actually - play it wisely and well. Smiley

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How can I provide escrow services to users here so that I can start gaining some trust? I want to break out of this noob reputation...not to mention I'd like to put my honest morality to some good use.  I have proof of honest sales made on eBay and reddit, but not much besides that :/

Why would you want to be an escrow? It's a pain in the ass and hardly worth it if you're trying to earn BTC.

Agreed, I personally did not set out to gain trust, But it was hard to get noticed without escrow, But now I have trust I do not charge for my escrows, I believe it's the DUTY of a trusted member to help people trade, not a charged service!

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How do I become an escrow myself? I never really done it before and I want to be like those on the list. Do I just keep trading with btc and earn trust? Is it that easy? How did you guys get so trusted

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How do I become an escrow myself? I never really done it before and I want to be like those on the list. Do I just keep trading with btc and earn trust? Is it that easy? How did you guys get so trusted

Be honest and eventually, you can be an escrow. FWIW, I don't recommend you to become an escrow. It is a painful work.

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I've heard it's always a good idea to get an escrow if you're working with people offshore, but I think it's a good idea whenever you're working with someone new. After all, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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please escrow
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This quote is valued for many situations in our daily lile!escrow is a third person in a money problem  situations with two people h.is present is needed when there is any problems occured! in this situation this quote is very truthful!!...

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Stickied. I've seen enough scams happening without the use of escrow. Also, escrows increase the amount of trust a seller/buyer conveys, and thus increase the possibility of sales for newer members.


I agree! Nowadays a lot of money to make gullible people!
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can anyone please tell me how to use escrow service for anything, i am new to this site and i have not used escrow service any time.

please guide me how to use and what steps to be taken to verify the escrow person also. Smiley

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How can I provide escrow services to users here so that I can start gaining some trust? I want to break out of this noob reputation...not to mention I'd like to put my honest morality to some good use.  I have proof of honest sales made on eBay and reddit, but not much besides that :/

People generally only accept escrow services from trusted, well-established members of the community. Nobody would accept an escrow service from a newbie account because of the high amount of risk involved - the escrow might run away with the funds.

If you want to build your reputation here, you should be active and write constructive posts, and you should trade slowly as your rank increases. Eventually, you will have made enough honest sales that you will have built a strong trust profile and will have a good reputation, but this will take time and effort.

what happens if the Well established and trusted escrow member also cheat , as that transaction is heavy then who is responsible for that loss of transaction . we cannot believe anyone until unless you know anyone ,
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From beginning my business had been accepting escrow. Anybody want to buy some cigarettes from me?
Im wating for order from this forum market, and still none. Haha...
Im selling my Cigarettes on reddit too, and I got direct payment without escrow in few days. And I still newbies too, under 10 point karma. But, I deliver their order without any problem.
Being vendor that accepting escrow, sometimes make me sick. I should had more money to run my business. Waiting for their order delivered. And I got the money few weeks after. Shipping takes 4 to 30 days (even fastest shipping takes 7 days minimum). If the goods late to delivered, buyers complain and takes their money back from escrow. If buyers pretend disappointed for the product "this ciggs taste like shit, I want my money back", and they withdraw their money from escrow.
I should spare my money. Covering shipping cost, that cost half of my family budget for a month.
Imagine, you order cigarettes to me. 10 Packs cigarettes and shipping cost are $62 USD. Shipping cost itself $35 USD, that was my half month family budget. Its only covering One order. Should I sell my cigarettes 40% higher than reddit? For compensation long waiting time from escrow? How if bitcoin price falling when I receive my money in my wallet? Ha... bad day haha... waiting for nothing
Couple next day, you receive more order, with escrow too. You spent $35 USD again to covering 2nd shipping cost. And then my wife mad to me, "darling, we had no more money to buy some food, how long our goods shipped to our customer and get our money back?"
Living in 3rd world country sometimes make me mad. But, sometimes Im so happy living here. I can living my family with $100 USD for a month.
Thats why, we should build a healthy community. A healthy atmosphere. Trust between member.  Being truthfully member in bitcointalks really hard and long journey. I just try to enjoy the trip, and making business with bitcointalks member. I put all my life and reputation for doing online business. Provide real evidence, posting real photo, and updating customer progress.
Doing business for living my family, in a good and straight way. Long term business and relationship.
So, for some reason, I will accept paypal for my main gateway, bitcoin for 2nd option.
In paypal, you had 60 days money back guarantee. I provide Refund if you are not satisfied with our product. My paypal backed up with CC, so our customer will feel safe. How about bitcoin? Hmm... as vendor, we pushed to trust the escrow.
What I see in bitcointalks? nobody trust nobody. Even escrow service haha...
But, its from my opinion, who sell real goods, tangible.
- How to protect seller from scammers?
- How to make sure escrow service not scamming?
- How to avoid dick head buyers?
No trus, no sales, no business...

Thank you... I hope we can trust each other, and build good, trustworthy situation

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I absolutely agree with you that what ever trading we do its very good to go with Escrow service. But before going through escrow service we have to double check about escrow persons also. but if we use escrow we can avoid the scamers from scamming us.

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We should keep this pinned to the top.

Though i'm especially careful to use escrow NOW, I will admit to falling idiot victim by FE an order (not using escrow) and losing my money (like an IDIOT).  Even still, it's been difficult to find names of escrow services (on clearnet, not DNMs) but more importantly names of escrow services that themselves aren't scammers and which I can feel comfortable having control of my money for the duration of the transaction because people I trust (or hope I can) can vouch for the good ones.

Had I not stumbled across this post because it was at the top, much like I stumble across life, i'd have never found the reliable escrow list you guys have here (I should have known there was one, but have I mentioned i'm an idiot yet? Smiley.

I don't mean to be rude to these people i'm referring to because I too am an idiot but there are many many idiot's who've somehow managed to figure out all by themselves how to turn currency into BTC (or whatever method they've used to 'acquire' BTC). 

If we don't guide them/me by making some of the first thing's they see when they click on a forum are post's linking them on how to be safe, use escrow (and which ones are safe) and depending on the person's needs other thing's like good OPSEC or fuck even just good web etiquette because it seems a lot of us are lacking in that department too, then the community will suffer from all the drama and wasted time that arises when you let scammer's get you (and then have anger to vent, typically on forums).

It's stupid but keep these simple post's with link's to good escrow or anything you consider fundamentally important up and on many of the sub-forums (I think $ when buying thing's is fundamentally important, no matter what form it's in Smiley ).  It might help prevent noob mistakes from the start and maybe (here's to dreaming) reduce the number of scammer's lurking.  Can't do anything about trolls (but ignore them) but you can help noobs before they whine and feed the scammers.
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In these times of Mass scammers out there, I urge people to use an escrow. There are many good members out there willing to help to secure the bitcoin community, There are also more people willing to do anything to scam you out of your coins, Please just do your research on someone before you part with your hard earned coins.

An escrow list

Note to mod, I know this is in the wrong section as I am not selling anything, I feel we all need to be wiser, People in the selling forums are less likely to look elsewhere for information on what this is and how it is acheved,
Even if a few people read this and use escrow, Or a few scammers don't get their coins, I will consider this a good job.
Please consider not moveing out the way, This needs to be addressed.

Thanks for the advice! showing care towards us I am new to bitcoin, and reading in this thread makes me think there are
transactions like this to keep people safe from scammers, appreciated Grin

Darktongue but how it should work? Give me an example, please.

1) Buyer meets seller but afraid to do the deal for the lack of reputation on both sides. (the age old conundrum - who will send first?)
2) They meet an escrow person, someone who's not likely to run with the amount transacted.
3) Buyer sends coins to escrow, escrow confirms acceptance.
4) Seller sends item to buyer, giving tracking numbers to buyer and escrow person.
5a) Buyer confirms acceptance, escrow sends coins to seller.
5b) Buyer states item lost/damaged, escrow mediates the transaction based on evidence of both sides and decides who to send coins to.

Seeing this thread makes me think what is an escrow? but reading your post helps me understand it thanks Cheesy
helping newbies like me, and reading everybody's post keeps me learns more about escrow thanks!

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Escrow is used in tons of non-bitcoin related online transactions such as buying websites or domain names.
There is no reason for it not to be used for btc!

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November 03, 2015, 01:07:39 PM
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Escrow is used in tons of non-bitcoin related online transactions such as buying websites or domain names.
There is no reason for it not to be used for btc!

Yes! In using escrow it will provide security for both parties, on the loaning thread you can see that escrow is mostly use in loaning for bitcoin, in marketplace bitcointalk accounts transaction is still using escrow safe and security.

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what mean by escrow? somebody tell me.. Huh
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what mean by escrow? somebody tell me.. Huh

A financial instrument held by a third party on behalf of the other two parties in a transaction. The funds are held by the escrow service until it receives the appropriate written or oral instructions or until obligations have been fulfilled.

For Example you are the buyer and you want to buy something online, and you want your transaction to be secure you will get a third party that is an escrow the one who hold your money for payment, if the transaction is completed and the product seem's legit then the escrow will definitely gives the money to the seller,

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Yes Sir, i totally agree. I got scammed heavily. I dont know how to use Escrow especially when some one ask me to send Bitcoins to his BTC address. I am having account on LocalBitCoins. If the person whom am sending BTC dont have account on that site than how to use Escrow? I really need help to prevent me for further scams.
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with type of educative and informative posts, I hate it when i hear somebody has been scam off their hard earned coins due to ignorance and greediness. I wonder what is the problem with some people.anyway thanks for taking your time to remind us of that great information
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There is a new wave of possible scammers, People who buy up legendary accounts and trade untill they have large sum of money then run, This has been done with a very trusted account recently.

Please be cautious, I am trying to set up a 3 way secure key escrow for my personal escrows to add peace of mind.

I would like to point out, that I do not partake in escrowing forum accounts, I never have and never will, in fact its against the rules on my forum, This is a trust based commodity as it stands, if we keep moving the goal posts as well as the stadium, no one can be accountable for theft!

Keep safe people, dont give up, trust in BTC, suspect people :-)

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ALWAYS MAKE SURE THE ADDRESS YOU ARE SENDING BTC TO BELONGS TO THE ESCROW AGENT.  NEVER TRUST ANY ADDRESS SENT TO YOU BY ANYONE EXCEPT A TRUSTED ESCROW AGENT.  SCAMMERS WILL USE SIMILAR NAMES, DOCTOR QUOTES, AND CREATE SIMILAR BTC ADDRESSES IN ATTEMPTS TO SCAM.  BE CAREFUL!

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Hi i'm new to bitcoins.
i just came across this site and the term escrow keeps popping up.
can someone explain this or point me to a resource where i can learn more about this.
it is clear the fraud is possible with the BTC system, and as im a new user i dont want this to affect my sales
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Hi i'm new to bitcoins.
i just came across this site and the term escrow keeps popping up.
can someone explain this or point me to a resource where i can learn more about this.
it is clear the fraud is possible with the BTC system, and as im a new user i dont want this to affect my sales
Thanks

Escrow/middleman is a party where they negotiates the two contracting parties. There are 3 circumstances.

1. Escrow accepts the payment of buyer and confirms it to the seller and the seller will commence/deliver the service/goods and when the buyer confirms the succession of transaction, the escrow finally transfer the payment of buyer.

2. Escrow accepts the goods of the seller and make the buyer send the payment to the seller and when the seller confirm that he received the payment, the escrow finally transfer the goods to the buyer.

3. Escrow accepts both payment and the good at the same time and when that happened, he will deliver the payment to the seller and the good to the buyer.

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I know something about that, still waiting for my some of BTC bought a month ago, still no answer from the seller. I've bad experience with that - yes - but you not need to. So be careful and just use escrow.
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It is always better to prevent something bad than doing something and it goes wrong, because now you have to worry about curing and dealing with the problem.
You should always think twice before doing something.
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Cyrus is a grate guy and anyone can use him for escrow !
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Cyrus is a grate guy and anyone can use him for escrow !

I agree with steamproject ! Cyrus is grate man !
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Is it usual that the person who is doing escrow services take the fee from the seller or the buyer or simply from the person who engages him? And what are those fees like? Don't have experience with this but I might need escrow services soon.

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Thanks for the escrow list
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Escrow, people, I understand, I do not fit this system, it's like in Russia, Sistema Garant, 1-salesman, 2-buyer, 3-the guarantor, the same system as in escrow.
The essence of what I offer, gift package with Goodies, for yourself or loved ones, 100 $ or the rate is equal to bitcoin, these all need money, because I have no money to buy all the sweets from the shops of the city and especially to send her to another country by post, please tell me how to be, if not rated, there are a few people on Facebook who have ordered from me, these parcels have been paid, I sent them, they liked it, but to register on this server don't want to do do not understand. Huh
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Is it usual that the person who is doing escrow services take the fee from the seller or the buyer or simply from the person who engages him? And what are those fees like? Don't have experience with this but I might need escrow services soon.

 Total fees are paid by both parties in whatever percentages agreed or if one party agreed to pay everything. Those fees can be calculated.

You can check this out
https://www.escrow.com/support/fee-calculator?f=b&utm_expid=89371209-26.QAnT9xHaQXGv7iImT2IDxQ.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.escrow.com%2Fescrow-101%2Fhow-it-works-broker

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Isn't it possible for a place having escrow services to scam as well?

I mean, I see many new threads being opened about someone that has a new escrow service and is promoting it..

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Has anyone looked into the Joint Escrow feature from mycelium?  https://gear.mycelium.com/joint_escrow

Looks as though two parties could handle escrow by themselves.
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Isn't it possible for a place having escrow services to scam as well?

I mean, I see many new threads being opened about someone that has a new escrow service and is promoting it..

That's why you should use the most trusted escrow that you can find. Someone such as OgNasty.
Their is a small chance they will scam, but let's it's much lower than if you do a deal with someone directly.
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Isn't it possible for a place having escrow services to scam as well?

I mean, I see many new threads being opened about someone that has a new escrow service and is promoting it..

That's why you should use the most trusted escrow that you can find. Someone such as OgNasty.
Their is a small chance they will scam, but let's it's much lower than if you do a deal with someone directly.

Yeah,because you will not be hired an escrow is you are not trusted. Anyone can be an escrow(self proclaimed) but we shouldn't trust anyone. And the advantage of hiring an escrow is that your transactions will be secured and there's a minimal risk of scamming. That is, if you hire the right escrow. So, in picking a certain escrow, you should vouch him/her first. Try to review its profile, or just simply look at the trust of the escrow. And from that you can have a smooth and secure transaction.
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July 19, 2016, 06:07:38 PM
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Isn't it possible for a place having escrow services to scam as well?

I mean, I see many new threads being opened about someone that has a new escrow service and is promoting it..

That's why you should use the most trusted escrow that you can find. Someone such as OgNasty.
Their is a small chance they will scam, but let's it's much lower than if you do a deal with someone directly.

Yeah,because you will not be hired an escrow is you are not trusted. Anyone can be an escrow(self proclaimed) but we shouldn't trust anyone. And the advantage of hiring an escrow is that your transactions will be secured and there's a minimal risk of scamming. That is, if you hire the right escrow. So, in picking a certain escrow, you should vouch him/her first. Try to review its profile, or just simply look at the trust of the escrow. And from that you can have a smooth and secure transaction.

If a trading platform also has a review system then it's a double layers of reviews... review of the seller, and then review of escrow.  If the platform already has built in escrow review system would you bother looking at the vendor's review?

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July 22, 2016, 12:47:22 AM
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An escrow is a financial instrument held by a third party on behalf of the other two parties in a transaction. The funds are held by the escrow service until it receives the appropriate written or oral instructions or until obligations have been fulfilled. In order to prevent many different allegations that may cause to sued your bitcoin, I think bitcoin is also an escrow or third party financial instrument the proceed the transaction better use it wisely read all the cautions and carefully follow the rules  Wink
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August 09, 2016, 06:32:45 PM
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We are a valid and trustworthy escrow service provided by The Satoshi Marketplace.

Our bitcoin escrow process:
 1. Fill out the bitcoin escrow setup form.
 2. We create a multisig address requiring 2 signatures out of the buyer, seller and arbitrator.
 3. Buyer sends funds to this created multisig address.
 4. Seller ships the product and sends tracking code to buyer and arbitrator.
 5. We verify that shipping has occurred with tracking code provided by the seller.
 6. When the product arrives and buyer is fine with product, buyer and seller sign a tx sending funds to seller.
 7. If the product doesn’t arrive or buyer not happy with product and sends back product, arbitrator verifies these facts, and buyer and arbitrator sign a tx  sending funds to buyer.
 8. If the product arrives but buyer refuses to pay, mediator verifies this fact, and seller and mediator sign a tx sending funds to seller.

https://thesatoshimarketplace.com/escrow

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We are a valid and trustworthy escrow service provided by The Satoshi Marketplace.

Our bitcoin escrow process:
 1. Fill out the bitcoin escrow setup form.
 2. We create a multisig address requiring 2 signatures out of the buyer, seller and arbitrator.
 3. Buyer sends funds to this created multisig address.
 4. Seller ships the product and sends tracking code to buyer and arbitrator.
 5. We verify that shipping has occurred with tracking code provided by the seller.
 6. When the product arrives and buyer is fine with product, buyer and seller sign a tx sending funds to seller.
 7. If the product doesn’t arrive or buyer not happy with product and sends back product, arbitrator verifies these facts, and buyer and arbitrator sign a tx  sending funds to buyer.
 8. If the product arrives but buyer refuses to pay, mediator verifies this fact, and seller and mediator sign a tx sending funds to seller.

https://thesatoshimarketplace.com/escrow

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September 01, 2016, 12:17:05 PM
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Hi guys, looking for a trusted Escrow service that I can use.
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September 05, 2016, 11:53:44 AM
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Some escrow do not required fee for them, escrow is very important especially if you are not sure on the seller.
There are lot of seller that are scammer
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Ognasty is still working ? Huh

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Ognasty is still working ? Huh

Of course.

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October 20, 2016, 12:07:11 PM
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Yes I agree.. there's a lot of scammers nowadays and it's proven even in bitcoin. Sometimes it's hard to trust some sites to invest with. Good thing that there's as escrow that somehow make us feel comfortable in doing transactions with bitcoin.

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October 25, 2016, 06:46:15 AM
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Darktongue but how it should work? Give me an example, please.

1) Buyer meets seller but afraid to do the deal for the lack of reputation on both sides. (the age old conundrum - who will send first?)
2) They meet an escrow person, someone who's not likely to run with the amount transacted.
3) Buyer sends coins to escrow, escrow confirms acceptance.
4) Seller sends item to buyer, giving tracking numbers to buyer and escrow person.
5a) Buyer confirms acceptance, escrow sends coins to seller.
5b) Buyer states item lost/damaged, escrow mediates the transaction based on evidence of both sides and decides who to send coins to.

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October 29, 2016, 06:11:19 AM
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In these times of Mass scammers out there, I urge people to use an escrow. There are many good members out there willing to help to secure the bitcoin community, There are also more people willing to do anything to scam you out of your coins, Please just do your research on someone before you part with your hard earned coins.

An escrow list

Note to mod, I know this is in the wrong section as I am not selling anything, I feel we all need to be wiser, People in the selling forums are less likely to look elsewhere for information on what this is and how it is acheved,
Even if a few people read this and use escrow, Or a few scammers don't get their coins, I will consider this a good job.
Please consider not moveing out the way, This needs to be addressed.

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There is a new wave of possible scammers, People who buy up legendary accounts and trade untill they have large sum of money then run, This has been done with a very trusted account recently.

Please be cautious, I am trying to set up a 3 way secure key escrow for my personal escrows to add peace of mind.

I would like to point out, that I do not partake in escrowing forum accounts, I never have and never will, in fact its against the rules on my forum, This is a trust based commodity as it stands, if we keep moving the goal posts as well as the stadium, no one can be accountable for theft!

Keep safe people, dont give up, trust in BTC, suspect people :-)



i just want to ask a question. do you have any list for a camaign or do you know any campaign for the newbies out there like me? hahaha thank you sir
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December 12, 2016, 09:24:23 AM
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what i think this  case is before anyone get his or her self involved in any businesses i guest they have to think two things  which  is the profit and losses of it or better still should have make some deposit in an escrow if there be any form of losses out break in so that one can fail back to that which is in escrow.
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December 23, 2016, 09:54:04 AM
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Well you're right an as a real newbe I missed your post and now I am trying to cure. I've just tried to buy from someone in this forum who looked respectful and is now not delivering as promised. Any suggestion on what should be done?
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December 26, 2016, 07:05:46 PM
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Well you're right an as a real newbe I missed your post and now I am trying to cure. I've just tried to buy from someone in this forum who looked respectful and is now not delivering as promised. Any suggestion on what should be done?
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Open a scam accusation -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

Understand what you did wrong, do it better next time.

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February 17, 2017, 05:12:50 PM
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Using escrow will prevent potential scammers I totally supports any online transactions to follow due procees and am implore all the forum moderators to assist in preventing scammers

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YA! its true that prevention is better than cure. In practicing anything new for the first it is a must to gather all the info regarding the same and be prepared for any sort of inappropriate to happen, b watchful Roll Eyes
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YA! its true that prevention is better than cure. In practicing anything new for the first it is a must to gather all the info regarding the same and be prepared for any sort of inappropriate to happen, b watchful Roll Eyes

Yes, don't blindly rush into a sale...Cross check and research anyone you're buying from or selling to. Don't be afraid to ask questions.

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March 14, 2017, 06:04:55 PM
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I believe escrow is important and wanted to make it easy to use in the freelancing scenario so created https://reinproject.org. There are about 15 mediators listed in the app now. I've done about 10 jobs through the platform as a client and always used bitcointalk user bitspill who has been in the app for a while.

I would like to invite trusted escrow agents to setup a profile and link it to their account here so we have a little more redundancy in choice of agent.

Notes for mediators: You can set your fee as a mediator when you sign up though I wouldn't pay more than 1-2% personally. Since it's 2-of-3 multisig escrow, the mediator mostly doesn't have to do anything. The main thing is being responsive within a day or two when there is an issue. Finally, your fee is locked in a special escrow address that you as mediator must sign for a payment to be valid. That way the client and freelancer can't take your fee. As long as both of them aren't dishonest, you'll be paid.

PM me if you're interested or have questions.

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I just used philipma1957 as an escrow buying an S7 from Introvert. This is mt first deal on this forum and I must say that it is going VERY smooth! Both philipma1957 and introvert are very open and straightforward with what is happening so we all know where the deal stands and there are no doubts about who is doing what. Highly recommend philipma1957 as an escrow.
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Thank you , i will Us only Escrow !!!!!!!!!!

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March 29, 2017, 03:45:12 AM
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where do i look for members who have scammed, and where do i post names of members who have scammed?
also how would i go about finding who they reallly are after i have sent payment already? like real name, address, location?
any help would be greatly appreciated
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Hi all, i am looking for an escrow service for a low value item i am selling
$17.50 BTC can anyone offer a service or recommend one please?

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April 18, 2017, 11:51:02 PM
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Thats exactly what the problem is of the people at most of the forums , they dont know how to deal online and after they are scammed they blame the forum to have bad members and dont see what they are doing .
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Thats exactly what the problem is of the people at most of the forums , they dont know how to deal online and after they are scammed they blame the forum to have bad members and dont see what they are doing .

this!!

and remember there are accounts setup to look the same as an existing account (been done on me a few times) so take a few seconds to look at member details (join date/reputation/post history) to make sure its the right person/escrow.

also, this forum allows the selling of ANY accounts, make it a little harder to check if you're dealing with a sold account or not. is why I do not allow on my forum.

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May 01, 2017, 03:48:19 AM
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It is better to prevent than to cure. Nowadays, a lot of diseases spreading due to the different pollution. Not just a disease that need to prevent, we have to prevent also our finances and of course ourselves. We need to be watchful when it comes to this, for us not to fall to debt that might be hard to cure.
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Agreed, escrow is better to prevent scam.

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Thanks, that is really helpful post!

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May 19, 2017, 02:03:40 PM
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In order for us to avoid veing scammed, i do believe that escrow is a big help. as long as this person is trusted as well. the problem sometime is both parties are afraid to be scammed and even if both are trusted both ensures not to fall into scammers hand so better use a person whom both can trust, both and not just one side because escrow can also be the scammer. so beware!

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May 29, 2017, 11:16:02 AM
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Now a days I said to the clients to keep the money in escrow. It's safe and secure.

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