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January 25, 2016, 05:15:08 PM
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How about making it visible on member's profile (in 'General Statistics' maybe?) how many other members have put him on their ignore lists?

Simple info like ie.: "14 members have ignored this user", possibly with '14 members' hyperlinked to detailed list.

Pros: Not many signature managers would be keen on paying to massively ignored members, therefore it could enforce more quality/substance posting from signature campaigns participants.

Cons: It could be abused by creating multiple newbie accounts just to ignore certain member (either to reduce his credibility, or to get him kicked out of campaign). So maybe low-rank members should be excluded from stats.

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January 25, 2016, 06:34:48 PM
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How about making it visible on member's profile (in 'General Statistics' maybe?) how many other members have put him on their ignore lists?

Simple info like ie.: "14 members have ignored this user", possibly with '14 members' hyperlinked to detailed list.

Pros: Not many signature managers would be keen on paying to massively ignored members, therefore it could enforce more quality/substance posting from signature campaigns participants.

Cons: It could be abused by creating multiple newbie accounts just to ignore certain member (either to reduce his credibility, or to get him kicked out of campaign). So maybe low-rank members should be excluded from stats.


Pretty good idea if you ask me . and I totally agree for what comes to the second point , Low rank members should be excluded however I don't think theymos will do that .
From what I've seen , theymos don't really do "excluding stuff" . Just like he didn't exclude newbies from using Marketpalce to prevent more scamming and just like he didn't prevent them from asking for a loan etc ... he will probably won't for this case too .

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January 25, 2016, 06:46:52 PM
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How about making it visible on member's profile (in 'General Statistics' maybe?) how many other members have put him on their ignore lists?

Simple info like ie.: "14 members have ignored this user", possibly with '14 members' hyperlinked to detailed list.

Pros: Not many signature managers would be keen on paying to massively ignored members, therefore it could enforce more quality/substance posting from signature campaigns participants.

Cons: It could be abused by creating multiple newbie accounts just to ignore certain member (either to reduce his credibility, or to get him kicked out of campaign). So maybe low-rank members should be excluded from stats.
It's good to know as much information as possible, like number of profile view, how many users are following you, how many are ignoring you, but even if it is only a number it has pros and cons like you said, but this is acceptable.
P.S you know any estimated date when the new forum will be released?

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January 25, 2016, 06:58:05 PM
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How about making it visible on member's profile (in 'General Statistics' maybe?) how many other members have put him on their ignore lists?

Simple info like ie.: "14 members have ignored this user", possibly with '14 members' hyperlinked to detailed list.

Pros: Not many signature managers would be keen on paying to massively ignored members, therefore it could enforce more quality/substance posting from signature campaigns participants.

Cons: It could be abused by creating multiple newbie accounts just to ignore certain member (either to reduce his credibility, or to get him kicked out of campaign). So maybe low-rank members should be excluded from stats.
It's good to know as much information as possible, like number of profile view, how many users are following you, how many are ignoring you, but even if it is only a number it has pros and cons like you said, but this is acceptable.
P.S you know any estimated date when the new forum will be released?

No body does , I'd say it will never get released if you ask me .
Still you can always check the progress since It's open source : https://github.com/epochtalk/epochtalk (design sucks but they keep saying that the screenshot may not be like the final results (hopefully)) .

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January 25, 2016, 07:01:25 PM
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The only problem with any type of stat regarding other users, whether it's positive or negative, is that they are meaningless because of the toleration and proliferation of alts. Account farming makes any newb restriction pointless too..

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January 25, 2016, 07:02:00 PM
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I like the idea but i dont think users will create new accounts just to ignore, this will help signature campaign managers in choosing members

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January 26, 2016, 03:34:36 AM
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I like the idea but i dont think users will create new accounts just to ignore, this will help signature campaign managers in choosing members

Some people with a vengeance might. Some users get really mad; go to a user like Vod and look at his untrusted feedback; there are tons of "negative" feedback that angry users and their alts have given him as they are mad at him for giving them negative trust.

Because of this reason, I think that this idea should not be implemented, unless we can find a workaround to this.
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January 26, 2016, 04:22:30 AM
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What used to happen was that users with many ignores would have their ignore button highlighted orange. But I removed it because it was rather taxing on the database and I don't think very many people used it. Maybe I could try bringing it back sometime.

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January 26, 2016, 04:36:16 AM
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The signature still shows on ignored members replies.
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January 26, 2016, 10:10:20 AM
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What used to happen was that users with many ignores would have their ignore button highlighted orange. But I removed it because it was rather taxing on the database and I don't think very many people used it. Maybe I could try bringing it back sometime.

It would be best if the feature remains neutral, simple info: "X members have ignored this users" is neither positive or negative but purely informational, while highlighting 'ignore' orange definitely has a negative tone.

Also, if the goal is to give campaign managers tool to fight spammers, it's best if it they decide themselves on what's the tolerable number of 'ignorers', rather than the number being predetermined.

BTW, what was the number of 'ignorers' that triggered orange highlighting?


Some people with a vengeance might. Some users get really mad; go to a user like Vod and look at his untrusted feedback; there are tons of "negative" feedback that angry users and their alts have given him as they are mad at him for giving them negative trust.

Because of this reason, I think that this idea should not be implemented, unless we can find a workaround to this.

I don't think Vod would care too much if he was ignored even by thousands of angry scammers, mostly low-rank accounts and inactive anyways.

I see your point tho. Members who are less-mild (scam-busters, or those with unpopular opinions) would likely accumulate larger number of ignores over time.
But again, if the stat is purely informative (no negative highlight) and if you could see exactly which members are ignoring the user, you could analyse it and make your own judgement.

The signature still shows on ignored members replies.

No, it does not.


Side note - apart from signature campaigns, there are a lot of farmed accounts (intended for sale), so it could work on that field too. Accounts highly ignored would probably be worth much less.



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January 29, 2016, 01:25:48 AM
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There is something like this already in place, users ignored by alot of users will have their ignore buttons stand out, i saw it in the requirement documents

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January 29, 2016, 01:58:00 PM
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As much as like this feature because it can help fight trolls/spammers but I am afraid it might get abused, people will gang up with their alts to harm another member's reputation by ignoring them due to personal differences.

And don't think that it will only happen with scam busters, people will use it to win debates or to prove that they're better from someone.

 

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January 30, 2016, 08:59:30 PM
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As much as like this feature because it can help fight trolls/spammers but I am afraid it might get abused, people will gang up with their alts to harm another member's reputation by ignoring them due to personal differences.

And don't think that it will only happen with scam busters, people will use it to win debates or to prove that they're better from someone.
people will know that people are using their alts, there will be a system in place for identifying alts

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January 30, 2016, 09:03:18 PM
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I don't think that such a feature can be considered valid, if you did a quick search on some threads (i forgot which one exactly but is supposed to be there), some people doesn't ignore member x because his/her post quality is low or high but because of the signature that the user that gets ignored uses, in that case there should be a check of who could abuse that system....

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February 17, 2016, 08:45:27 PM
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How about making it visible on member's profile (in 'General Statistics' maybe?) how many other members have put him on their ignore lists?

Simple info like ie.: "14 members have ignored this user", possibly with '14 members' hyperlinked to detailed list.

Pros: Not many signature managers would be keen on paying to massively ignored members, therefore it could enforce more quality/substance posting from signature campaigns participants.

Cons: It could be abused by creating multiple newbie accounts just to ignore certain member (either to reduce his credibility, or to get him kicked out of campaign). So maybe low-rank members should be excluded from stats.

Well, if the "ignored by 14 members" phrase was hyperlinked to those accounts, it wouldn't be a problem, add you would be able to see who's opinion actually counts.

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February 20, 2016, 04:02:34 AM
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I like this idea a lot.

Cons: It could be abused by creating multiple newbie accounts just to ignore certain member (either to reduce his credibility, or to get him kicked out of campaign). So maybe low-rank members should be excluded from stats.

Another way to mitigate this (if the powers that be don't feel like excluding lower-ranked members) would be using a score instead of "ignored by x members" - lower-ranked members' ignore contributes less to that score.

Like others said there are other issues:

- an influential member may ignore another member because of difference in opinion or heated argument, and not because of that member spamming
- people using a premade ignore list; this would give the list maker a disproportional influence in this "ignore" metric
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