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March 31, 2017, 07:52:55 PM
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So how far is Munich from Berlin?  Grin  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-30/microsoft-opens-its-first-european-lab-for-internet-of-things
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March 31, 2017, 09:52:49 PM
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VOTE FOR SHAREPOOL100

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April 01, 2017, 12:53:20 AM
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Communitypool made first payout for 23th-31th, March.

https://forum.lisk.io/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=1474&p=10869#p10869.

If something error found, feel free to contact me. Thank.

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April 01, 2017, 01:10:34 AM
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Delegate monitor shows lots of missed blocks and non forging delegates. any insights?
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April 01, 2017, 01:13:24 AM
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Delegate monitor shows lots of missed blocks and non forging delegates. any insights?


It is just explorer issue due to DDOS. Use another one: https://explorer.lisk.4miners.net/delegateMonitor

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April 01, 2017, 01:23:22 AM
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Delegate monitor shows lots of missed blocks and non forging delegates. any insights?


It is just explorer issue due to DDOS. Use another one: https://explorer.lisk.4miners.net/delegateMonitor

Yeah, I figured. Thanks Smiley
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April 01, 2017, 06:35:22 AM
Last edit: April 01, 2017, 06:50:42 AM by MrPresident
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36 hours left till april 2nd newsletter sighnup drawing where you could win 1000 lisk just for signing up!
lisk.io/#newsletter

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April 01, 2017, 07:01:26 AM
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36 hours left till april 2nd newsletter sighnup drawing where you could win 1000 lisk just for signing up!
lisk.io/#newsletter

More details:
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Sounds great, looks like decent odds.
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April 01, 2017, 07:02:59 AM
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Haha - great. I'm the CEO of Ripple.

April 1 today?
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April 01, 2017, 07:18:36 AM
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Haha - great. I'm the CEO of Ripple.

April 1 today?

Much Dogecoin

Very wow


Here's a serious question, though: during the live meeting, someone stated(not one from the team, but someone asking a question), that sidechains probably won't work.The question sounded like it was part of a longer discussion.

Can anyone fill me in on why people think sidechains won't work? To me, this sounds rather trivial…?
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April 01, 2017, 07:59:44 AM
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Haha - great. I'm the CEO of Ripple.

April 1 today?

Much Dogecoin

Very wow


Here's a serious question, though: during the live meeting, someone stated(not one from the team, but someone asking a question), that sidechains probably won't work.The question sounded like it was part of a longer discussion.

Can anyone fill me in on why people think sidechains won't work? To me, this sounds rather trivial…?

Googling for sidechains brings up a lot of information, do you know of a quality article that is up to date and relevent?
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April 01, 2017, 05:45:28 PM
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What's going on here?  Almost 2000 pages.

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April 01, 2017, 05:46:01 PM
Last edit: April 01, 2017, 06:55:11 PM by MrPresident
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Announcement:

Through many months of collaboration between the devteams at both Ethereum and Lisk, The Ethereum network core devteam has finally decided that the upcoming Casper release will be a slightly modified Lisk core powering the Main Ethereum chain algorithm.



Furthermore, the Lisk team wishes to extend a huge welcome to Vitalik and several key members of the Devteam as they will work together to not only strengthen both core chains, but will also implementing x-11 privacy algorithms upon the Lisk core network, and have a Lisk sidechain that hosts all Ethereum erc-20 tokens on a single Lisk sidechain with total backward compatibility with the current Ethereum core. This will allow Ethereum to drop the problematic issues involved with the mainchain load of sidechains stacked upon it.











... april fools!  
Eth will continue confuse devs and dazzle investors for years to come by continuing making great PR and bad coding decisions with gobs of money.

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April 01, 2017, 07:34:08 PM
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Haha - great. I'm the CEO of Ripple.

April 1 today?

Much Dogecoin

Very wow


Here's a serious question, though: during the live meeting, someone stated(not one from the team, but someone asking a question), that sidechains probably won't work.The question sounded like it was part of a longer discussion.

Can anyone fill me in on why people think sidechains won't work? To me, this sounds rather trivial…?

Googling for sidechains brings up a lot of information, do you know of a quality article that is up to date and relevent?

Rambling mode on. I'm fucking tired, so what I write shouldn't be taken too seriously atm.

Disclaimer: I am a fan and holder and I expect that the questions raised below are not new to the Lisk devs. Still, with my limited time, I can't follow lisk chat too closely, so I am sorry if these questions have already been answered. At the same time, they seem a little too technical for the community meetings, but maybe I am wrong. Anyway, here it goes:

Thinking about it a little more, the problem doesn't sound so trivial anymore. The main problem seems to me, to have a good system in place to manage how a token leaves one chain and enters another one, as well as the other way around. In other blockchains, tokens don't "vanish". If you want to destroy them, you send them to an address which has no known private key. Setting up  a system in which tokens are bound on the mainchain, because they technically are on another chain aren't really feasible.

Another problem seems to be to keep addresses separated. If we assume, that the way an address is generated doesn't change between chains, every address generated can be used on all chains simultaneously. Without a central instance(i.e. Mainchain), which totally defeats the idea of sidechains, a scenario is possible, in which a token leaves the mainchain and is sent to an address, which exists on other sidechains, effectively multiplying the token. Since the sidechains can't crosscheck, whether a token exists on other chains as well, the check has to be made at the very point, where the token leaves the mainchain.

If you would have a unique identifier per sidechain in place, which is added at the point of generating an address. thus, without using this identifier, you can't access your address, limiting you to using your tokens on the chain it is intended to be used on. The problem of this approach is, that all other chains will read the transactions as well, but have them on unusable addresses…

Anither way would be to send tokens to two addresses: a chain address and a wallet address, pretty much like the city is different, but the street name is the same.

Tagging a token somehow would be possible, too…

Ok, too much bullshit thinking, sorry. Shouldn't hit send, but I'm gonna do it anyway Tongue
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April 01, 2017, 08:04:42 PM
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ttookk; Lisk Sidechain tokens are not interactive with the lisk mainchain tokens on the lisk-main chain. With that said; Lisk tokens could be used on any sidechain as its base token or exchange token if a dev wished to do so, but any Lisk tx would ofc need recorded on the Lisk mainchain, or it never happened.

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April 01, 2017, 08:41:41 PM
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ttookk; Lisk Sidechain tokens are not interactive with the lisk mainchain tokens on the lisk-main chain. With that said; Lisk tokens could be used on any sidechain as its base token or exchange token if a dev wished to do so, but any Lisk tx would ofc need recorded on the Lisk mainchain, or it never happened.

I was focussing on Lisk, not on coloured tokens, because that is the most interesting and complicated part.

As I tried to point out, recording Lisk leaving the mainchain is not enough, because there is the danger of it being claimed by multiple chains as being "sent to them". Even if you have a safeguard on the mainchain, prohibiting the token to reenter from other chains than the ones it was sent to, it looks like you might still pull off some nasty tricks.
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April 01, 2017, 09:11:32 PM
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Announcement:

Through many months of collaboration between the devteams at both Ethereum and Lisk, The Ethereum network core devteam has finally decided that the upcoming Casper release will be a slightly modified Lisk core powering the Main Ethereum chain algorithm.



Furthermore, the Lisk team wishes to extend a huge welcome to Vitalik and several key members of the Devteam as they will work together to not only strengthen both core chains, but will also implementing x-11 privacy algorithms upon the Lisk core network, and have a Lisk sidechain that hosts all Ethereum erc-20 tokens on a single Lisk sidechain with total backward compatibility with the current Ethereum core. This will allow Ethereum to drop the problematic issues involved with the mainchain load of sidechains stacked upon it.











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Eth will continue confuse devs and dazzle investors for years to come by continuing making great PR and bad coding decisions with gobs of money.


😂😂😂😂😂 well done!
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April 01, 2017, 09:49:19 PM
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ttookk; Lisk Sidechain tokens are not interactive with the lisk mainchain tokens on the lisk-main chain. With that said; Lisk tokens could be used on any sidechain as its base token or exchange token if a dev wished to do so, but any Lisk tx would ofc need recorded on the Lisk mainchain, or it never happened.

I was focussing on Lisk, not on coloured tokens, because that is the most interesting and complicated part.

As I tried to point out, recording Lisk leaving the mainchain is not enough, because there is the danger of it being claimed by multiple chains as being "sent to them". Even if you have a safeguard on the mainchain, prohibiting the token to reenter from other chains than the ones it was sent to, it looks like you might still pull off some nasty tricks.
okay, the thing I think you're not understanding is that the Lisk never leave the main chain, ever.
Even as "burnt" they are recorded as deposited to a lisk mainchain account.
Any Lisk tx and token will be visible on the blockchain explorer, and cannot be transferred outside the lisk network.
If sidechains are dealing with lisk tokens, every lisk tx they conduct will be recorded on the lisk main chain.




😂😂😂😂😂 well done!
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April 01, 2017, 10:10:40 PM
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okay, the thing I think you're not understanding is that the Lisk never leave the main chain, ever.
Even as "burnt" they are recorded as deposited to a lisk mainchain account.
Any Lisk tx and token will be visible on the blockchain explorer, and cannot be transferred outside the lisk network.
If sidechains are dealing with lisk tokens, every lisk tx they conduct will be recorded on the lisk main chain.


Ok, I wasn't aware of that. I expected the sidechains to be basically independent.

Having every tx recorded on the mainchain does seem like a bloating issue in the long run, no?
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April 02, 2017, 04:18:18 AM
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Today is final day for Newsletter Lotto, @Phoenix1969 please update here when it is done. Stats like Total number of participants..

What's going on here?  Almost 2000 pages.
Yeah..seems some mature talks are going on..just wait for a year and then come back with the largest number of pages and most competing coin.


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