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January 06, 2013, 04:30:55 AM
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has a websites ToS ever been used to sue a user?

if yes, did anyone ever use said site again?

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edit: Also has a websites ToS ever been used to criminally convict a user that broke it?

You're welcome to research those questions.  I'm not going on a 5 hour fishing expedition to satisfy your curiosity (although I'd be interested to read what you did find, assuming this post was made with genuine interest).

With that said, I'd love to stick around and post for another 4 hours, responding to other posters was fun, well mostly those users who weren't attempting to troll (not directing this at you, but in general).
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January 06, 2013, 04:35:21 AM
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And here is the answer, Shep is wrong for about 98%. Only one state forbids sale of username/passwords it's TN:

http://money.msn.com/saving-money-tips/post.aspx?post=233ad531-5543-4fdd-b50d-b6abc7d58f0b


If you believe that you're highly mistaken. Anyone that believes you better get ready for some jail time..

Of course making a silly statement again. We're talking about selling OWNED account, not STOLEN ones. Don't go offtopic.

No prove to us that sharing a netflix account is illegal in every state in USA.


The account is not "owned" it is provisioned.  And yes selling your account credentials qualifies as theft of service unless Netflix allows it. Sharing your account credentials for a paid subscription service (meaning you have paid your bill) without any monetary compensation may not be illegal in the US depending on your state law, but in spirit of existing law it does qualify in some form as passive theft of service. End of discussion, the end. I'm out
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January 06, 2013, 04:37:25 AM
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The account is not "owned" it is provisioned.  And yes sharing your account qualifies as theft of service unless Netflix allows it. End of discussion, the end. I'm out

I have provided the proof that shep's claims are baseless. Only one states in USA forbids sale of accounts, it's TN.

We can lock the thread now.
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January 06, 2013, 05:37:33 AM
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The account is not "owned" it is provisioned.  And yes sharing your account qualifies as theft of service unless Netflix allows it. End of discussion, the end. I'm out

I have provided the proof that shep's claims are baseless. Only one states in USA forbids sale of accounts, it's TN.

We can lock the thread now.


Clearly you are not a very bright troll so let me clarify this again for you.  Your Netflix account is a provisioned subscription account, you do not own your account, nor do you own a right to resell services.  The netflix law concerned free account sharing of paid accounts (like with a relative or friend), which is technically theft of service with illegal access because an account holder is sharing services only intended to be provided to the account holder.  This however has been proven many times to constitute access fraud. You can't freely share your investment bank account credentials with a guy off the street. You can't freely share your DoD access with a civilian.  You can't freely share your credentials to a medical database with unauthorized users (again criminal penalties apply). The list goes on.

The main reason Netflix and most other subscription based businesses won't prosecute minor violations of abuse is because it could create high customer turnover if customers feared they were going to be prosecuted (it doesn not mean the act itself of sharing service is not illegal).  However, if you were reselling Netflix services under a proxy (financial gain), you would face criminal and civil prosecution for theft of service. Netflix pushed for specific clarification into law, but this doesn't mean they could not have users prosecuted under existing law.

Sales of account credentials or access codes are illegal and will earn you jail time.  It is irrelevant if it is Netflix, amazon, itunes, or any other service provider, the sale of access codes or credentials itself is access fraud (misuse of access), and anyone who uses those credentials or access codes is also engaging in access fraud (illegal access) with theft of service.
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January 06, 2013, 02:12:06 PM
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Clearly you are not a very bright troll so let me clarify this again for you.  Your Netflix account is a provisioned subscription account, you do not own your account, nor do you own a right to resell services.  The netflix law concerned free account sharing of paid accounts (like with a relative or friend), which is technically theft of service with illegal access because an account holder is sharing services only intended to be provided to the account holder.  This however has been proven many times to constitute access fraud. You can't freely share your investment bank account credentials with a guy off the street. You can't freely share your DoD access with a civilian.  You can't freely share your credentials to a medical database with unauthorized users (again criminal penalties apply). The list goes on.

The main reason Netflix and most other subscription based businesses won't prosecute minor violations of abuse is because it could create high customer turnover if customers feared they were going to be prosecuted (it doesn not mean the act itself of sharing service is not illegal).  However, if you were reselling Netflix services under a proxy (financial gain), you would face criminal and civil prosecution for theft of service. Netflix pushed for specific clarification into law, but this doesn't mean they could not have users prosecuted under existing law.

Sales of account credentials or access codes are illegal and will earn you jail time.  It is irrelevant if it is Netflix, amazon, itunes, or any other service provider, the sale of access codes or credentials itself is access fraud (misuse of access), and anyone who uses those credentials or access codes is also engaging in access fraud (illegal access) with theft of service.

LOL ad hominem now. Clearly you are loosing the arguments

Let's repeat:

a) The treaty isn't law, it doesn't even matter what the treaty says. The people only need to care about local laws.
b) The current laws in USA do not forbid of sale of legal accounts. The are two laws in USA that we should be concern with: Patriot Act and Homeland Security Act.
c) Only one state in USA passed in law that prevents account sharing - TN.
d) It is legal to share your account except in one state - TN. Netflix of course can ban you.

You are welcome to use facts, as I did.
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January 06, 2013, 02:20:15 PM
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I think Shep is an owner/admin/mod on one of the websites whose invintes/accounts are sold here. Hence his perseverance and why most of his posts are related to this ''issue''. Looking at his date of registration I think he only came here to take those offers down.

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January 06, 2013, 02:28:23 PM
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I think Shep is an owner/admin/mod on one of the websites whose invintes/accounts are sold here. Hence his perseverance and why most of his posts are related to this ''issue''. Looking at his date of registration I think he only came here to take those offers down.

+1 If I were him I would leave it be for now, no need to push the envelope, btw, "sheepleader" is not selling accounts anymore, so...


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I think Shep is an owner/admin/mod on one of the websites whose invintes/accounts are sold here. Hence his perseverance and why most of his posts are related to this ''issue''. Looking at his date of registration I think he only came here to take those offers down.

+1 If I were him I would leave it be for now, no need to push the envelope, btw, "sheepleader" is not selling accounts anymore, so...

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It was and is not my intent to troll this site. I am trying to improve this site, even though admin are ignoring an issue that has real consequences for various parties. As stated previously, I am unaffiliated with any sites brought up in this or prior threads, none of the admin of the sites mentioned knew or had prior contact with me prior to bringing this topic to light here on bitcointalk.org.  I could have chosen a different thread or poster regarding unauthorized sales of access codes or credentials (whether they be hacked/compromised, or unauthorized sales).  I specifically chose to create a thread regarding this topic and also respond to the sales and other actions (hacking, brute forcing, reselling services via proxy) of Gabriel Seletchi ("torac") because his actions were the most egregious violations of laws of various nations.   Sales of access codes and credentials are illegal.  Associating these illegal transactions with Bitcoin reduce the reputation of the currency and place the site and its staff in a position where they can face criminal and civil liability. This is a serious issue. Trolls, users, and staff can ignore the issue, but sooner or later there can and may very well be legal action taken by some party who finds their access codes or credentials sold on this website. This is not a threat, it is a observation regarding the liability that the site faces by not banning unauthorized sales of credentials by resellers that hold no ownership of provisioned credentials that are in fact owned by site owners or institutions.
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January 06, 2013, 07:39:16 PM
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Is was and is not my intent to troll this site. I am trying to improve this site, even though admin are ignoring an issue that has real consequences for various parties. As stated previously, I am unaffiliated with any sites brought up in this or prior threads, none of the admin of the sites mentioned knew or had prior contact with me prior to bringing this topic to light here on bitcointalk.org.  I could have chosen a different thread or poster regarding the unauthorized sale of access codes or credentials.  I specifically chose to create a thread and respond to the sales and other actions (hacking, brute forcing, reselling services via proxy) of Gabriel Seletchi ("torac") because his actions were the most egregious violations of laws of various nations.   Sales of access codes and credentials are illegal.  Associating these illegal transactions with Bitcoin reduce the reputation of the currency and place the site and its staff in a position where they can face criminal and civil liability. This is a serious issue. Trolls and staff can ignore the issue, but sooner or later there can and may very well be legal action taken by some party who finds their access codes or credentials sold on this website. This is not a threat, it is a observation regarding the liability that the site faces by not banning unauthorized sales of credentials by resellers that hold no ownership of provisioned credentials that are in fact owned by site owners or institutions.

Until you prove it's illegal, you can just get lost. You jumped directly to these threads after signup. You're familiar with these sites and you defend them.

As far as I am concern you're a thief.
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January 06, 2013, 07:58:18 PM
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Is was and is not my intent to troll this site. I am trying to improve this site, even though admin are ignoring an issue that has real consequences for various parties. As stated previously, I am unaffiliated with any sites brought up in this or prior threads, none of the admin of the sites mentioned knew or had prior contact with me prior to bringing this topic to light here on bitcointalk.org.  I could have chosen a different thread or poster regarding the unauthorized sale of access codes or credentials.  I specifically chose to create a thread and respond to the sales and other actions (hacking, brute forcing, reselling services via proxy) of Gabriel Seletchi ("torac") because his actions were the most egregious violations of laws of various nations.   Sales of access codes and credentials are illegal.  Associating these illegal transactions with Bitcoin reduce the reputation of the currency and place the site and its staff in a position where they can face criminal and civil liability. This is a serious issue. Trolls and staff can ignore the issue, but sooner or later there can and may very well be legal action taken by some party who finds their access codes or credentials sold on this website. This is not a threat, it is a observation regarding the liability that the site faces by not banning unauthorized sales of credentials by resellers that hold no ownership of provisioned credentials that are in fact owned by site owners or institutions.

Until you prove it's illegal, you can just get lost. You jumped directly to these threads after signup. You're familiar with these sites and you defend them.

As far as I am concern you're a thief.


I proved unauthorized sales of access codes and credentials are illegal, you have even supported my argument on multiple occasions even though you ignore your own supporting arguments.  I'm familiar with many types of sites notwithstanding auction sites, commerce, discussion forums, and other various sites. I commented on those sites because they were relevant to the existing thread topic and Gabriel Seletchi and also in responding to your frequent posts.  You can continue trolling, but consider yourself ignored. You have been openly hostile, you throw insults, and have engaged in childlike tantrums since your initial post in this thread.

You are either clueless, trolling, or vested (financially, or for personal gain) in the outcome of this topic as you continue to rationalize illegal sales transactions of access codes or credentials. You continue to run around in circles to try and find a "gotcha" stipulation that can allow illegal transactions to take place on this forum.  

You are not responding in any rational manner and frequently go off-topic. You are not serving the site or yourself by continuing to defend illegal sales. You are not going to bait me into a shouting match, or devolve this topic into such an endless foray. I'm ignoring your posts from now on.
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January 07, 2013, 05:06:15 PM
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Mods there appears to be suspicious association between the user "MariusTi" and user "supernatural".  Unlike Gabriel Seletchi ("torac") who I have a wealth of information on, I can not guarantee that "MariusTi" and "supernatural" are the same user.  It is possible they could be two different users in the same region.  Please investigate old IP logs.  "supernatural" may be using Romanian ISP, RCS & RDS SA.


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#  "MariusTi"
#  -> suspected dummy account - "supernatural"
#  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=44947
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#  "supernatural"
#  -> suspected dummy account for "MariusTi"
#  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=76583
#
#  **INFO**
#  - location   >>  Bucharest, Romania
#                   + info suggests near this area
#                   + (may be inaccurate, I have another location)
#  - Handles    >>  "benzinladen" , "trabzon" , "Smart222" , "soacrata" ??
#  - Email      >>  nicaragua122@gmail.com
#                   thebig_Boss59@yahoo.com
#                   SOACRATASTORE@YAHOO.COM
#                   SOACRATASTORE@GMAIL.COM
#                   SOACRATASTORE@HOTMAIL.COM
#                   ICQ : 636648119
#                   SKYPE : SOACRATA.STORE
#
#
#  **INFO**
#  "Marius" is Romanian and has sold under the handles "benzinladen" , "trabzon" , "Smart222"
#  http://forum.computergames.ro/108-mmo-trades-personaje-items-resurse-conturi-prepaid-cards/904796-vand-invitatii-pe-cele-mai-cautate-trackere-din-lume.html
#  http://www.peforum.ro/invitatii-trackere/44707-am-invitatii-pe-foarte-multe-trackere.html
#  http://www.peforum.ro/invitatii-trackere/58180-vand-invitatii-pe-cele-mai-bune-trackere-din-lume.html
#  http://www.iphoneforum.ro/topic/14772-vand-invitatii-pe-brokenstones/
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#
#  "supernatural" is also Romanian
#  http://www.invitescene.com/index.php?/topic/12883-hello/
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#  "supernatural" admitted that he is selling access codes, which
#  is illegal in his home country of Romania.
#  -  [WTS] | Gingadaddy invite | ( usenet invite )
#  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134747.0
#
#
#  "supernatural" uses the same bump message as "MariusTi"
#  "up..............."
#
#  "supernatural" sells the same unique trackers as "MariusTi"
#  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131889.0
#  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134044.0
#
#  BANNED user Marius from "reputable" site torrentinvites.org
#  Relying on another site to validate and check users may not be so reliable.
#  http://torrentinvites.org/members/marius/?tab=aboutme#aboutme
#
#  "supernatural" aka "soacrata" bumps thread of user Marius (since banned). whoops
#  If this is not a dummy account, there appears to be an association.
#  http://www.invitescene.com/index.php?/topic/16243-cheap-invites-to-ftnbitmebitmetvbtnwhatcdwafflesscc-and-many-more/#entry102248
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#  "supernatural" aka "soacrata"
#  actively posts on forum owned by Romanian hacker Gabriel Seletchi ("torac" aka "wootspace")
#  http://torrentinvitez.com/showthread.php?p=18217
#
#


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# SIMILAR SALES AS "supernatural"
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-  "selling E-learning trackers"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131965.0

-  "Cheapest tracker invites(Fuxor,scenehd,ptp, tt,waffles,bitme,bitmetv,tl,scc,gft)"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131889.0

-  "Sceneaccess.eu accounts for sell only 5 euro"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133123.0

-  "NZB.to - 15$ - GingaDaddy.com - 20$"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133288.0


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# SIMILAR SALES AS "MariusTi"
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-  "Nzb.to-account | Nzbs.org-account | Gingadaddy-invite | For sell"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134004.0

-  "Cheap Tracker invites : Fuxor,scenehd,ptp,tt,waffles,bitme,bitmetv,tl,scc,gft."
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134044.0

-  "Torrentleech 6 euro invite ! ! ! !"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134194.0

-  "want to sell : e-book and e-learning trackers"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134223.0

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January 07, 2013, 05:27:04 PM
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Having multiple accounts is not an offense here. In fact, many users have well-known alternate accounts.

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Having multiple accounts is not an offense here. In fact, many users have well-known alternate accounts.

We've already established that unauthorized sales of access codes (invites) and credentials are illegal in most nations. Let's try and overlook that these sales are illegal.

I thought the point of this thread was not allowing for "banned" users from torrentinvites.org to sell here. Marius is banned on torrentinvites.org.  He is also banned on invitescene.com

If your vouching system relies on another forum to check its users for AE, and they fail to verify their users, then the policy here doesn't do much to stop hackers, scammers, or disreputable sellers does it?
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That's why MariusTi's threads are locked. Supernatural has proved to theymos that he's selling his own farmed accounts, and not hacked accounts. You'll have to prove to theymos otherwise in this issue.

May I ask which torrenting/usenet sites you're affiliated with? You have been actively pushing this agenda against the sale of invites since the early days of your account. Are you picketing at invite trading sites too?

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That's why MariusTi's threads are locked. Supernatural has proved to theymos that he's selling his own farmed accounts, and not hacked accounts. You'll have to prove to theymos otherwise in this issue.

May I ask which torrenting/usenet sites you're affiliated with? You have been actively pushing this agenda against the sale of invites since the early days of your account. Are you picketing at invite trading sites too?

I've already answered that question, I'll repost the answer.

It was and is not my intent to troll this site. I am trying to improve this site, even though admin are ignoring an issue that has real consequences for various parties. As stated previously, I am unaffiliated with any sites brought up in this or prior threads, none of the admin of the sites mentioned knew or had prior contact with me prior to bringing this topic to light here on bitcointalk.org.  I could have chosen a different thread or poster regarding unauthorized sales of access codes or credentials (whether they be hacked/compromised, or unauthorized sales).  I specifically chose to create a thread regarding this topic and also respond to the sales and other actions (hacking, brute forcing, reselling services via proxy) of Gabriel Seletchi ("torac") because his actions were the most egregious violations of laws of various nations.   Sales of access codes and credentials are illegal.  Associating these illegal transactions with Bitcoin reduce the reputation of the currency and place the site and its staff in a position where they can face criminal and civil liability. This is a serious issue. Trolls, users, and staff can ignore the issue, but sooner or later there can and may very well be legal action taken by some party who finds their access codes or credentials sold on this website. This is not a threat, it is a observation regarding the liability that the site faces by not banning unauthorized sales of credentials by resellers that hold no ownership of provisioned credentials that are in fact owned by site owners or institutions.

Also these posts were relevant to me bringing this issue of illegal sales of unauthorized access codes and credentials to light.

I actually engaged in a discussion about this topic with someone else, he might read this thread (if so hello Wink ).   While it's true that a currency can gain momentum and ultimately in time not be impacted by minor incidents or small blips of abuse, there is a critical mass phase with build up, similar to escape velocity needed to break atmosphere.  In the early lifecycle of a new currency like bitcoin it is imperative that the reputation of the currency not be constrained or otherwise hampered by impropriety or it may never be well received.  This is the way of the world, and it honestly applies to other areas beyond financial methods of exchange.
I addressed this question in my last post.  The currency is associated with the people and transactions that primarily use it.  If a new currency is primarily or even remotely used for criminal activities it can harm the reception and spread of the currency as whole.  It's much the same as child nutrition, failing to feed a child healthy nutrients may result in stunted growth and development, which can not be fixed later in life.
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January 07, 2013, 05:53:37 PM
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I proved unauthorized sales of access codes and credentials are illegal, you have even supported my argument on multiple occasions even though you ignore your own supporting arguments.  I'm familiar with many types of sites notwithstanding auction sites, commerce, discussion forums, and other various sites. I commented on those sites because they were relevant to the existing thread topic and Gabriel Seletchi and also in responding to your frequent posts.  You can continue trolling, but consider yourself ignored. You have been openly hostile, you throw insults, and have engaged in childlike tantrums since your initial post in this thread.

No, I didn't support anything. What I said that if you're involved in these nzb/torrent trackers then you're a thief.

You are either clueless, trolling, or vested (financially, or for personal gain) in the outcome of this topic as you continue to rationalize illegal sales transactions of access codes or credentials. You continue to run around in circles to try and find a "gotcha" stipulation that can allow illegal transactions to take place on this forum.  

You are not responding in any rational manner and frequently go off-topic. You are not serving the site or yourself by continuing to defend illegal sales. You are not going to bait me into a shouting match, or devolve this topic into such an endless foray. I'm ignoring your posts from now on.

Prove that I am financially vested.

You accuse a lot of people, either you should prove your accusations or you should stop making these baseless accusations.

I vote to ban your ass from these forums for baseless accusations (i.e. a troll).

 
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I proved unauthorized sales of access codes and credentials are illegal, you have even supported my argument on multiple occasions even though you ignore your own supporting arguments.  I'm familiar with many types of sites notwithstanding auction sites, commerce, discussion forums, and other various sites. I commented on those sites because they were relevant to the existing thread topic and Gabriel Seletchi and also in responding to your frequent posts.  You can continue trolling, but consider yourself ignored. You have been openly hostile, you throw insults, and have engaged in childlike tantrums since your initial post in this thread.

No, I didn't support anything. What I said that if you're involved in these nzb/torrent trackers then you're a thief.

So you're claiming that I'm a thief without any proof. I'm confused, isn't that why you're claiming I should be banned?
You seem to throw out a lot of insults, vulgarities, and show open hostility.  You don't appear capable of engaging in civil discussion.

You have previously stated and claimed that torrent and nzb sites are illegal, you even went so far as to point to information which may be posted on gingadaddy that supported your argument.  If the site in question which you posted to does contain illegal information and is not DMCA compliant then that supports a position for not allowing sales of credentials or invites. Associating Bitcoin and this website with illegal sales of unauthorized credentials and access codes or other activity only harms the reputation of the site and the currency. Those sales may occur elsewhere, but they shouldn't occur here on the semi-official forum of bitcoin.

You seem to ignore your own supporting argument.  Here let me remind you since you seem to have a very short memory.

I am not promoting any websites.  I have however commented on several, none of which I am affiliated with.  I also find it interesting that you seem to believe that these websites are illegal (most are not), yet you somehow take no issue with sales of credentials or access codes, which are illegal (yes if they were procured or distributed in an unauthorized manner it does fall under access fraud, misuse of access, computer fraud, illegal access, and/or theft of service).

Really? They aren't illegal? Wow. I checked your comments history and pulled the ToS of the website in question.

https://www.gingadaddy.com/rules.php

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We promote the use of scene releases since they will get you what you want (home made's can be something else than you expect, and there's often no NFO included to do proper research or comparison before downloading).

Thus, when you upload a Scene Release, use the proper Scene Release name. This includes the dots between the names and the release group at the end. If you don't know what the Scene Release title is, start out by looking in the post names, either in the file list of the nzb after being posted, or by searching usenet with a site like www.binsearch.info or www.newzleech.com. There are also lots of NFO resources such as www.vcdquality.com or www.nfoogle.com

for example, the correct formatting for a dvdr movie would be:
The.Matrix.Reloaded.NTSC.DVDR-Replica
and for music:
Led_Zeppelin-Latter_Days-2000-EGO
etc.

That sounds as highly illegal to me. A website owner lists copyrighted files for the download....

Also you should read this part:

http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/linking-copyrighted-materials

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Linking also raises legal issues in connection with the anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA. Section 1201 of the DMCA makes it illegal to traffic in technology that enables others to circumvent technological measures put in place by copyright holders to control access to or uses of their copyright work.

I have nothing to prove.I have however pointed out the distribution and or sales of credentials and access codes which have not been explicitly authorized by a site owner or institution that they belong to is in fact illegal and can be prosecuted.   Sellers and facilitators can face criminal and civil liability.  Again, I'm sorry if you and some others can't accept that, but that is the way that most legal systems operate.  Theft of service is recognized by most first world and third world nations.

Regarding your other statement.  I think you do some research you will find that most NZB websites are in fact not illegal depending on where they are hosted, they operate under safe harbor, and reference posts made to newsgroups.  The sites themselves can not host any infringing material and if they do receive a complaint and fail to act, they can be shutdown or face criminal and civil liability.

If you wish to engage in civil discussion, I'm fair game, but if your only intent is trying to silence me and make demands that I leave, you'll be ignored. I might ask how exactly are you improving discussion in this thread? You aren't addressing the topic of the forum policy, nor are you moving this discussion forward.

The burden of proof is on you. If you can't prove according to law that you had referenced here then there is nothing to talk about civilly here.




I don't represent gingadaddy, nor am I affiliated with them.  If you believe there is a legal issue with that site I suggest you send them a DMCA takedown notification.  Also I think that you're ignoring your own arguments.  If those sites are illegal, then why is this forum allowing transactions of access codes and credentials for those sites?  If anything you're supporting my argument that sales of access codes and credentials for those sites should not be allowed on this forum.


You are either clueless, trolling, or vested (financially, or for personal gain) in the outcome of this topic as you continue to rationalize illegal sales transactions of access codes or credentials. You continue to run around in circles to try and find a "gotcha" stipulation that can allow illegal transactions to take place on this forum.  

You are not responding in any rational manner and frequently go off-topic. You are not serving the site or yourself by continuing to defend illegal sales. You are not going to bait me into a shouting match, or devolve this topic into such an endless foray. I'm ignoring your posts from now on.

Prove that I am financially vested.

You accuse a lot of people, either you should prove your accusations or you should stop making these baseless accusations.

I vote to ban your ass from these forums for baseless accusations (i.e. a troll).

I don't have to prove you are financially vested.  I did however observe that your actions are irrational and indicate that you are clueless, trolling, or vested (financially or for person gain) in the outcome of this topic.  The people I have brought to light in this topic and in the previous topic are engaged in illegal sales. The claims aren't baseless.  Sellers here are engaged in illegal secondary sales of unauthorized access codes and credentials which they gained through provisional access to database services.  You seem to want to ignore that.   Your actions indicate that you would prefer I go away because you want these sales to continue.
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I don't have to prove you are financially vested.  I did however observe that your actions are irrational and indicate that you are clueless, trolling, or vested (financially or for person gain) in the outcome of this topic.  The people I have brought to light in this topic and in the previous topic are engaged in illegal sales. The claims aren't baseless.  Sellers here are engaged in illegal secondary sales of unauthorized access codes and credentials which they gained through provisional access to database services.  You seem to want to ignore that.   Your actions indicate that you would prefer I go away because you want these sales to continue.

Yes, you have to provide proof of such accusations. A treaty isn't law, so get lost. Even the treaty doesn't say it's illegal.

You're involved in illegal activities, you did acknowledge that you're involved in NZB sites. NZB sites are illegal, since they contain links to illegal software or media files.

Example: http://www.binsearch.net/?server=0&max=250&g=alt.binaries.music&a=Shep%40shep.nl+(Shep)
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I don't have to prove you are financially vested.  I did however observe that your actions are irrational and indicate that you are clueless, trolling, or vested (financially or for person gain) in the outcome of this topic.  The people I have brought to light in this topic and in the previous topic are engaged in illegal sales. The claims aren't baseless.  Sellers here are engaged in illegal secondary sales of unauthorized access codes and credentials which they gained through provisional access to database services.  You seem to want to ignore that.   Your actions indicate that you would prefer I go away because you want these sales to continue.

Yes, you have to provide proof of such accusations. A treaty isn't law, so get lost. Even the treaty doesn't say it's illegal.

You're involved in illegal activities, you did acknowledge that you're involved in NZB sites. NZB sites are illegal, since they contain links to illegal software or media files.

Example: http://www.binsearch.net/?server=0&max=250&g=alt.binaries.music&a=Shep%40shep.nl+(Shep)


As stated before I am unaffiliated with nzb sites. The treaty does indicate that unauthorized transfers of credentials or access codes are in fact illegal without explicit permission of the site owner or institution that granted provisional access for those credentials. That proof was given here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134779.msg1435482#msg1435482


Nice trick there with the database query, but anyone with half a brain and knowledge of database administration is not going to believe you. Now you have openly engaged in defamation (libel) in an attempt to discredit me by falsifying information.  Your true colors are revealed now. You are not going to fool anyone with your schemes. If you attempt to escalate and make a post to newsgroups it will reflect that your post occurred at this time and date and will be reflected as fraud. Your post is being reported to a moderator.

Anyone can try this gimmick

Example: http://www.binsearch.net/?server=0&max=250&g=alt.binaries.music&a=vampire%40vampire.nl+(Vampire)
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Nice trick there with the database query, but anyone with half a brain and knowledge of database administration is not going to believe you. Now you have openly engaged in defamation (libel) in an attempt to discredit me by falsifying information.  Your true colors are revealed now. You are not going to fool anyone with your schemes. If you attempt to escalate and make a post to newsgroups it will reflect that your post occurred at this time and date and will be reflected as fraud. Your post is being reported to a moderator.

Anyone can try this gimmick

Example: http://www.binsearch.net/?server=0&max=250&g=alt.binaries.music&a=vampire%40vampire.nl+(Vampire)

Libel? LOL. You already did that a bunch of posts ago.

And why do you need to do database administration? I googled "shep and nzb".

Oh that is your actual email address. I simply showed it as an example... LOL.

Now you did two accusations against me:

a) I got paid by someone to argue with you.
b) I hacked some random website to put your email address in...

Keep these coming, they're comical
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