My wife is a hero: mom shoots intruder 5 times, saves kids

[01BTC10]

Fastest shooter in the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=thCl_mYIUBE#t=131s

[MoonShadow]

Fastest shooter in the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=thCl_mYIUBE#t=131s

He's also a professional entertainer who practices hours every day to be able to do those trick shots.  He's amazing because the ability to do such things with a revolver is beyond 99.9999% of gun owners.  He's an aberation, not a example.

[01BTC10]

Fastest shooter in the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=thCl_mYIUBE#t=131s

He's also a professional entertainer who practices hours every day to be able to do those trick shots.  He's amazing because the ability to do such things with a revolver is beyond 99.9999% of gun owners.  He's an aberation, not a example.

I did not say he's normal but you said that wild west hip shooter were bullshit.

[MoonShadow]

Fastest shooter in the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=thCl_mYIUBE#t=131s

He's also a professional entertainer who practices hours every day to be able to do those trick shots.  He's amazing because the ability to do such things with a revolver is beyond 99.9999% of gun owners.  He's an aberation, not a example.

I did not say he's normal but you said that wild west hip shooter were bullshit.

99.9999% of the time, they are bullshit.  I was rounding off for expediency.

On another note, the laws of physics don't exclude the possibility that the force of gravity could suddenly reverse itself and destroy the entire universe in another 'big bang'; but I find that possibility rather not worth considering.

[iCEBREAKER]

In turn it would be even more rewarding to see you get castrated by one of those unfortunate parents.

Castration?!  That's the thanks I get for answering your question?   

Heh, looks like I touched a nerve.  Poor little rage machine.    

Taking responsibility for the terrible consequences of poor decisions is hard, isn't it?

We all know you'd never have the courage to share your immoral opinion with Mrs. Herman or Sarah McKinley, demanding to their face they be disarmed victims.

It's obvious why the heroic home invasion survivors would take offense to you telling them they should have just surrendered to their fate, and left their children in harm's way.

So as a deflection, you wish random harm on me.  Odd that you fixate on my genitals.  Get some help and see a therapist please.  Creep.

[iCEBREAKER]

..and emotional outbursts as this are one of the reasons i wnt take people serious who think that carrying guns is a good thing.
If you cant even start arguing about something without such polemics, then you shouldnt talk about a metter like that at all. Not my opinpion? Ridicule? Still not following my opinion? Shoot?
Sorry mate, you just disqualified yourself.

"Emotional outburst?"  If you say so.     More like you wish to avoid the substance of my post, by psychoanalyzing and pathologizing perfectly normal speech.

I see a carefully articulated, and quite pointed, hypothetical situation with a little dig thrown in at the end for rhetorical effect.

Again:  Would you tell a survivor of a home invasion, to their face, they have no to right to use a weapon to protect themselves and their children? 

No, you wouldn't.  Because you know exactly what you would deserve (and hopefully receive) for doing that.

And blimey, who made you the qualification police anyway mate?    

[fornit]

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion
http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

thanks myrkul for this very useful website 

[myrkul]

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion
http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

thanks myrkul for this very useful website 

Well, then, you need to learn to use it correctly. It might be an appeal to emotion, if there weren't clear logical benefits: the protection of her own life, as well as that of her children. It might be anecdotal, if such examples weren't so widespread and frequent.

[Schleicher]

It might be anecdotal, if such examples weren't so widespread and frequent.

Events like this:
http://news.yahoo.com/father-fatally-shoots-son-outside-pennsylvania-gun-store-022116082.html
are widespread and frequent as well.

[myrkul]

It might be anecdotal, if such examples weren't so widespread and frequent.

Events like this:
http://news.yahoo.com/father-fatally-shoots-son-outside-pennsylvania-gun-store-022116082.html
are widespread and frequent as well.

They are, because idiots are also widespread and frequent. Following simple gun safety rules would have prevented that. A gun enabled the small, physically overpowered woman to take down and stop her larger, physically more powerful attacker, thus protecting her children. It also enabled an idiot father to kill his son. Darwin would say both events are a net gain.

[iCEBREAKER]

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion
http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

thanks myrkul for this very useful website 

Most people are not rational and live in a demon-haunted world constructed of emotion, anecdotes, and other logical fallacies.

They are utterly persuaded by high profile tragedies that 'guns are evil' and no amount of statistical data or principled philosophy will convince them otherwise.

To reach those dim, bleating sheeple, an entirely different approach is called for.

Hence, we are zealously waving the bloody shirt and creating our of litany of anecdotes to counter the Marxist media's anti-gun narrative.

It's called rhetoric, the art of discourse. 

Ever heard of it?  No?  Time to learn.  From Wiki:

Its best known definition comes from Aristotle, who considers it a counterpart of both logic and politics, and calls it "the faculty of observing in any given case the available means of persuasion."  Rhetorics typically provide heuristics for understanding, discovering, and developing arguments for particular situations, such as Aristotle's three persuasive audience appeals, logos, pathos, and ethos.

You've got the logos part down.  Good job, Sherlock!

Now try to understand the other two parts, pathos and ethos.

Your insistence we neglect these two and focus exclusively on logos is in itself a logical fallacy! 

Can you guess which one?   

[furrycoat]

I agree 100% in the 2nd ammendment. If you think guns should be banned in America you are either misinformed or stupid. What I dont get is theres over 300,000,000 people in the united states, every time we have a shooting suddenly theres mass hysteria and call for reform, taking guns away from the countless responsible owners. People need to slow down and look at the FACTS. Guns protect our freedom, guns save more lives then they take, and "Assault rifles" are no different then hunting rifles, that is if they are semi automatic, which is the only way their availble to the general public. People need to stop thinking the police will be there to always help them, they wont. And if/when shit hits the fan a whole lot of "moms against guns" gonna get raped, robbed, and killed.

[foggyb]

High-five Icebreaker, nice thread. 

Let the socialist scrabble for higher ground to avoid their sick fantasy where the mom and her kids die as a sacrifice for the anti-gun movement. (In order to save others, of course)

Like rats fleeing the tide...

[MysteryMiner]

>fired six bullets at the suspect, five of which hit alleged suspect Paul Ali Slater in the face and neck area.
>He was taken to a nearby hospital and is expected to survive.

Guy must be made of steel

This also shows that low-capacity magazines also are no option even for self-defense. She used all six bullets from revolver and the nigger* was still alive because no vital organs been hit even with multiple headshots.

* I want to see some multiculturalists saying "judge people from his actions, not skin color!" The situation is always this way and I never heard opposite way (white man invading home of black women with kids).

[myrkul]

I want to see some multiculturalists saying "judge people from his actions, not skin color!" The situation is always this way and I never heard opposite way (white man invading home of black women with kids).

Happens all the time. White guy usually has a blue costume on, though.

[MoonShadow]

This also shows that low-capacity magazines also are no option even for self-defense. She used all six bullets from revolver

Guys, stop misquoting each other.  Both the article, and I, have pointed out that she used five shots.  The article implies, probably incorrectly, that the revolver was a six shooter.  Odds are high that it was either a 5 shot revolver, or another caliber.  The six round 38 special is a rare animal for a variety of technical reasons, and as far as I am aware, none have been mass produced in over 50 years.  You can get a 22lr revovler in 5, 6 & 8 round versions; and larger caliber revolvers (45?) in rather heavy & large 6 round versions, but a 6 round 38 special cannot be a compact weapon, and as such is uncommon.  

[MysteryMiner]

Anyway for zombies or escaped slaves a belt fed machine gun is needed to score a sure kill!

For human being any caliber can be deadly, but often the death is not immediate like in computer games. The women might have a collectible revolver just as good.

P.S. I envy how Americans have rare weapons such as Mauser C96, Luger, P38 and early versions of Tokarev TT-30. Looks like whole Europe arsenal is bought to USA.

[malevolent]

That part was incredible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=thCl_mYIUBE#t=639s

Sorry mate, you just disqualified yourself.

No mate, you disqualified yourself with your first post.  There is no debate to be had.  No one on this side of the pond really gives a fat flying fuck what "arguments" against our human rights some Eurotrash might be able to present in an obscure Internet forum.  I get so tired of this bullshit.  If you want to have this debate, come to my house and we can have a little chat over tea and crumpets.  I bet you have no idea how many of your countrymen have moved to this country just to get away from asshats like yourself.  I've met several, particularly down at the BBC (http://www.bbcbrew.com/) and all of them would have preferred to stay in their homeland.
And make no mistake, myself and many others really do consider it to be a human right.
http://www.a-human-right.com/
Bugger off, wanker.  

Problem is, in Europe people are so used to being stripped of their rights that they find it normal that ''guns are dangerous because they kill people so they should be banned'', forgetting who pulls the trigger. Gun laws in EU will vary from country to country so in some places it may not be that bad (Switzerland is a good example) but I think in most cases they are very restrictive compared to US. For example in Poland gun permits are required for anything else than 19th century gunpowder guns (even then there are some limitations...), and only 1% of the population has a gun permit because they are close to impossible to get for sport shooting and impossible to get for self-defense (unless one works as a bodyguard or something similar). Before WWII a permit was issued after a quick background check, after Stalin came everyone was forced to surrender their arms and their permits were revoked. Nowadays even the police is untrained, shooting on average 20 shots a year. Not sure how it was last year, but 3 years ago 37 tons of ammunition were disposed of for $130k because they were no longer usable after being stored for years (probably not in the proper conditions).
But in UK it gets so bad that carrying a screwdriver ''without a good reason'' can mean trouble because murders are committed with it:

http://www.allamericanblogger.com/13474/in-london-its-illegal-to-carry-a-screwdriver-without-a-good-reason-by-the-way-knife-crime-is-skyrocketing/

[MoonShadow]

Anyway for zombies or escaped slaves a belt fed machine gun is needed to score a sure kill!

For human being any caliber can be deadly, but often the death is not immediate like in computer games. The women might have a collectible revolver just as good.

P.S. I envy how Americans have rare weapons such as Mauser C96, Luger, P38 and early versions of Tokarev TT-30. Looks like whole Europe arsenal is bought to USA.

I've got a former soviet weapon as well. 

[myrkul]

P.S. I envy how Americans have rare weapons such as Mauser C96, Luger, P38 and early versions of Tokarev TT-30. Looks like whole Europe arsenal is bought to USA.

Yeah, but you guys have all those ex-soviet nukes. The US still keeps track of theirs.