My proposal to reduce signature campaign spamming

[Heutenamos]

It is not.

Yes It Is.It's just that you need to keep on work, for it to remain fixed.

You can't be serious?

[Jet Cash]

Well you could ban all gambling site promotions.

Actually they aren't too good for the rep. of Bitcoin.

[Lauda]

It is not.

Yes It Is.It's just that you need to keep on work, for it to remain fixed.

I don't think you are noticing how much spam we're letting through, especially signature spam. I'm not surprised though. The issue is nowhere near of being "fixed".

Well you could ban all gambling site promotions.

That would only reduce the amount of posts that were concentrated in a single section. What about all the other ones?

[LFC_Bitcoin]

Most signature campaign managers kick crappy posters out of their signature campaigns. If the people posting very poorly with low quality have no campaigns to join then this issue will go away.

Surely it's the signature campaign managers responsibility to the forum to police their posters?

Also most of the really low quality posters are Full Member & below so maybe signature campaigns should only allow Senior Member & above to represent them.

 

[Heutenamos]

Actually they aren't too good for the rep. of Bitcoin.

Edit/Delete your post already cause I got to know about bitcoin because of Gambling and of course nothing other than that can have such amount of influence,bitcoin must become a religion otherwise.

we're letting through

Time for a revolt against him ?

issue will go away.

The issue will never go away cause who is going to judge ? if the community is going to, then there will be people saying Oh Fuck that is spam even if the post contains 50,000 words and is written in the most perfect English in the history of mankind while being on-topic.

The personal interest and experiences might change the opinion/decision of the guy judging.If a handful of people are doing that then there is no guarantee that it wont be bias and ignoring that there will be conflicts among them too.
If theymos gets mad and starts banning the Siggers then maybe but that's a different story.

signature campaigns should only allow Senior Member & above to represent them.

Rank Racism ? Do you know master-P was trading/dealing/farming/Trust abusing with Level 2 accounts since years,do you know what that means ? how many Level 1's are bought or are alt's ? Hence, the Logic is flawed.

[sase007]

So far after reading the replies in this thread, I have come to realize that there is not a lot more we can do to fix the spammer problem. Take away sig campaigns? Heroes go hungry and decent posts who post for the benefit would probably go down.  Blackhatworld imposes a bunch of rules and regulations suck as no links, signatures or offensive language being used (our equivalent being newbies asking for loans). I do like the 75 char minimum. Sometimes it feels like I'm one of the few with a signature campaign and not post nonsense.

I do like the payment and the contribution I am making to this forum.

My 75% char minimum by Yobit is quite good and satisfying to know you get 0.001BTC for posting 5 posts on the forum.

Pay monthly/weekly are not very good though (ou still have to post a certain amount and some will probably end up posting 100 nonsensical messages at the end of the month in order to get payments of more than 0.04BTC for established members!

[ndnh]

Isn't just banning the spammers a better solution?

We can also make up a set of general guidelines for signature campaigns like discouraging rules like having minimum x amounts of characters in a post, and encouraging incentives that encourage better quality posts. Encourage fixed rate campaigns over pay per post.

Members of the community should not over stress the earnings component of a post. (Many respectable members of the community does not wear a paid signature.) No posts should be made simply because the person is participating in the campaign but because he wants to post, share his/her views, join the discussion.

[tommorisonwebdesign]

So far after reading the replies in this thread, I have come to realize that there is not a lot more we can do to fix the spammer problem. Take away sig campaigns? Heroes go hungry and decent posts who post for the benefit would probably go down.  Blackhatworld imposes a bunch of rules and regulations suck as no links, signatures or offensive language being used (our equivalent being newbies asking for loans). I do like the 75 char minimum. Sometimes it feels like I'm one of the few with a signature campaign and not post nonsense.

I do like the payment and the contribution I am making to this forum.

My 75% char minimum by Yobit is quite good and satisfying to know you get 0.001BTC for posting 5 posts on the forum.

Pay monthly/weekly are not very good though (ou still have to post a certain amount and some will probably end up posting 100 nonsensical messages at the end of the month in order to get payments of more than 0.04BTC for established members!

There are so many problems with signature campaigns it's unbelievable. We can't ban sigs either because legit users need money. This forum is in such a quagmire.

[Lauda]

There are so many problems with signature campaigns it's unbelievable. We can't ban sigs either because legit users need money. This forum is in such a quagmire.

That's a bad reason. How about they actually get a job?

Isn't just banning the spammers a better solution?

How is it a solution? The staff has been banning spammers for years. Do you see any improvement? It is an endless fight if we only resort to banning.

We can also make up a set of general guidelines for signature campaigns like discouraging rules like having minimum x amounts of characters in a post, and encouraging incentives that encourage better quality posts. Encourage fixed rate campaigns over pay per post.

I agree with guidelines but don't agree with the number of characters in a post. We have already demonstrated on a small example why a short post can be constructive. I'd say introduce maximum number of posts/users per campaign and minimum rank required to join a campaign. This should somewhat reduce the spam.

[mexxer-2]

I agree with guidelines but don't agree with the number of characters in a post. We have already demonstrated on a small example why a short post can be constructive. I'd say introduce maximum number of posts/users per campaign and minimum rank required to join a campaign. This should somewhat reduce the spam.

FTFY
BTW, now that I think of it, even my own argument that many people would leave bitcointalk if short posts or signatures aren't allowed, seems stupid, seeing how well Quora is doing. Not much logical thinkers in bitcoin community I guess

[arbitrage]

If you want to lower spam you must talk with campaign managers.
 They must decrease number of posts per day or per week. I think best number is around 5 posts per day maximum.
This is best solution.
You also have lot of spam and without signatures am i right?


Disallow eveyone under "Full Member" from joining a campaign. +1

[redsn0w]

If you want to lower spam you must talk with campaign managers.
 They must decrease number of posts per day or per week. I think best number is around 5 posts per day maximum.
This is best solution.
You also have lot of spam and without signatures am i right?

Not correct at all,  Spammer with sig. ad > Spammer without sig. ad   ,  I think we can agree about this or no ?

Disallow eveyone under "Full Member" from joining a campaign. +1

I think you are a 'Member'  , so why have you voted for || Disallow eveyone under "Full Member" from joining a campaign. +1 || ?

[arbitrage]

If you want to lower spam you must talk with campaign managers.
 They must decrease number of posts per day or per week. I think best number is around 5 posts per day maximum.
This is best solution.
You also have lot of spam and without signatures am i right?

Not correct at all,  Spammer with sig. ad > Spammer without sig. ad   ,  I think we can agree about this or no ?

Disallow eveyone under "Full Member" from joining a campaign. +1

I think you are a 'Member'   , so why have you voted for || Disallow eveyone under "Full Member" from joining a campaign. +1 || ?

From my standpoint i can wait till i become full member.(2x14 days from 02.16.)
But problem with spam will be regulated only with reduction of number allowed posts.
So all is at management of S.C. and forum staffs.

But i hope this witch hunt will stop.
I don't like to be member and at the same time second-class citizen.
My opinion is always wrong as i am lower ranked member.

[arbitrage]

Proposition:
To be banned from signatures (no matter what sig) for some time, open topic of  shame and add users who are deliberately spamming.
Punish them:
( like sentenced 30,60,90 days) and if he continue using sig. during sentence - ban

First time caught 30 days forbidding using signatures.
Second time 60 days and simple warning about possible ban.
Third time 90 days and warning before banning

After this no much talks, multiple crimes permban

What do you think?
This will be cure for many and end of road for some..

[botany]

Proposition:
To be banned from signatures (no matter what sig) for some time, open topic of  shame and add users who are deliberately spamming.
Punish them:
( like sentenced 30,60,90 days) and if he continue using sig. during sentence - ban

First time caught 30 days forbidding using signatures.
Second time 60 days and simple warning about possible ban.
Third time 90 days and warning before banning

After this no much talks, multiple crimes permban

What do you think?
This will be cure for many and end of road for some..

The current bans (ban from posting, not just removal of signature) are harsher than what you are proposing, but have still not stopped spamming.
What makes you think your measures will be effective?

[arbitrage]

If you ban someone he will create new account simply.

If you sentence someone he can't do nothing until..everyone like to get second chance this is psychology.
This is like vaccination you'll immunize system from within.

Imagine if you got banned from signature you wont be able to post 30 day and be paid,
also every other (yours) alt accounts related will be more careful be sure in this!

Also he wont be able to sell it because he is on list of shame..so there will be less scams.

[mexxer-2]

If you ban someone he will create new account simply.

If you sentence someone he can't do nothing until..everyone like to get second chance this is psychology.
This is like vaccination you'll immunize system from within.

Imagine if you got banned from signature you wont be able to post 30 day and be paid,
also every other (yours) alt accounts related will be more careful be sure in this!

Also he wont be able to sell it because he is on list of shame..so there will be less scams.

Admins can and would, find and ban the alts if they put effort into it. What makes you think, admins will put effort into what you propose?

[arbitrage]

It is very simply and one topic will blow all those spammings.
One good manager as Shorena or you Mexxer can accomplish this task..
This is best punishment, signature is illness they must cure illness.
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Under full member not allowed in campaigns.


edit:
Member caught date 02.15.. sentence first time 30 days by banning from signatures.
And if you caught him using signature during sentence BAN!
After sentence is ended he is free but he will be more careful in future..
Or he will sell his account, but everyone will have chance to see this topic before buying.
Believe me 50% of spam caused by signatures will vanish buy first 30 days of trial period.

How this work?
Easy don't ban people make an example..And when people realise how many fuders and spammers are caught they will stop this madness. System used till now is good but there is no lessons learned and examples for others members of forum..

second edit:
This is cheaper solution that don't involve many staff for hunt.
I believe this is probably most fer system where you can employ one or two members of forum for caring all this and other staffs only need to watch and arbitrage situations if needed to prevent abuse..
Everyone can report spam and everyone can defend himself and improve.

[mexxer-2]

Well, I'm quite tolerable in terms of sig spam. Although I'd expect half the people to be banned if the limit for a ban, I believe , would've been implemented. Also pretty sure Shorena wouldn't spend his time witch-hunting for spammers.

Some things I guess, have to be tolerated(upto a certain extent)

[arbitrage]

Much spam comes from 20 posts per day.. or more.. Just quit this practice paying per day and per post.
Best is paying per week or per month.
Number of posts must not be over 5 paid posts per day.

All is on managers and Admins..