IOTA - Unmoderated thread

[Come-from-Beyond]

Your trolling is low, can you step up your game? I need more motivation when programming, your posts dont rile me up anymore.

A programmer out of spite is a programmer of might.

I'll just wait, your next fuckup is inevitable.

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[Come-from-Beyond]

Bring me a paper that explains why PoW isnt suitable against sybil and I listen.

He said PoW isn't suitable against Sybil attacks? Haha, this is a good gem for my collection of his fuckups. If he really stated that then he stated that Bitcoin can't work!

[SatoNatomato]

Bring me a paper that explains why PoW isnt suitable against sybil and I listen.

He said PoW isn't suitable against Sybil attacks? Haha, this is a good gem for my collection of his fuckups. If he really stated that then he stated that Bitcoin can't work!

I asked to increase your trolling, not hitchhike on misquotes and argue against a point taken out of its context. That is low effort.

PoW and IoT is oxymoron is what I have stated. And specifically to Iota, PoW does not provide Sybil prevention, of course it does for bitcoin.

[Come-from-Beyond]

And specifically to Iota, PoW does not provide Sybil prevention, of course it does for bitcoin.

How does PoW provide Sybil prevention for Bitcoin?

[SatoNatomato]

And specifically to Iota, PoW does not provide Sybil prevention, of course it does for bitcoin.

How does PoW provide Sybil prevention for Bitcoin?

You have to fish harder.

As to yor other mention of your list of fuckups you keep of me: I dont need a list of your fuckups, one is enough; Iota. How dense do you have to be to think a design of PoW and DAG is suitable for IoT? Hahahhaha.

[Come-from-Beyond]

You have to fish harder.

As to yor other mention of your list of fuckups you keep of me: I dont need a list of your fuckups, one is enough; Iota. How dense do you have to be to think a design of PoW and DAG is suitable for IoT? Hahahhaha.

I knew you would again use a childish excuse to avoid answering a tech question. You just don't have enough expertise (as it was shown several times in the past).

[iotatoken]

You have to fish harder.

As to yor other mention of your list of fuckups you keep of me: I dont need a list of your fuckups, one is enough; Iota. How dense do you have to be to think a design of PoW and DAG is suitable for IoT? Hahahhaha.

I knew you would again use a childish excuse to avoid answering a tech question. You just don't have enough expertise (as it was shown several times in the past).

Let's not give him more attention, we won, as always, trolls can't win.

[SatoNatomato]

You have to fish harder.

As to yor other mention of your list of fuckups you keep of me: I dont need a list of your fuckups, one is enough; Iota. How dense do you have to be to think a design of PoW and DAG is suitable for IoT? Hahahhaha.

I knew you would again use a childish excuse to avoid answering a tech question. You just don't have enough expertise (as it was shown several times in the past).

I owe you nothing, you and any other Iota developer, have only thrown insults at me, refused to answer any question about Iota and only offered deflections and attempts at ridicule, together with censorhip. I may answer you when you unban me from all your channels and threads.

You arent worth more than the same treatment and frankly if you expected anything else is just funny.

[SatoNatomato]

You have to fish harder.

As to yor other mention of your list of fuckups you keep of me: I dont need a list of your fuckups, one is enough; Iota. How dense do you have to be to think a design of PoW and DAG is suitable for IoT? Hahahhaha.

I knew you would again use a childish excuse to avoid answering a tech question. You just don't have enough expertise (as it was shown several times in the past).

Let's not give him more attention, we won, as always, trolls can't win.

Youre still tripped out on your own ego and working on failed idea, so you kind of lose.

[SteveoMB]

At this point, I dont care about that feud anymore.
I want to improve, and I want to hear solid reasons for a problem if there is any.
If you "SatoNatomato", have proper facts to deliver, do it.
Tell me: what are the facts for your statement, that PoW isnt suitable for Sybil-prevention.
Lets stop with this time-wasting conversation and go to the important infos.

No one cares who is the cooler guy, who has the bigger balls.

Just write the facts if you can.

facts are defined as "scientific and empiristic statements from quote worthy literature."

I dont wanna read those useless metaphors and pictures you draw with your anus.

Only quote worthy literature!

This isnt too much to ask.

I did it for the winternitz scheme and I could certainly do it for the PoW but this is your duty to prove, not mine.

[SatoNatomato]

Tell me: what are the facts for your statement, that PoW isnt suitable for Sybil-prevention.

That is not my statement, you are misrepresenting what I said. PoW is useful for blockchain based approaches, PoW and IoT is oxymoron, especially so with a DAG coin.

You just have to read my posts again, and pretend that it was iotatoken or Come-from-Beyond which wrote them, just do that and its all set, its not a big task to ask, just pretend that it was an "IOTA-dude" who wrote it and not me, and read my posts. That is all.
 

[Fragbait]

PoW and IoT is oxymoron

Is micro transactions and transactions fees also an oxymoron?

[SteveoMB]

That is funny, since last time I checked Iota, the PoW didnt help against Sybils, and instead people were asked for social proof to join the network, that ist he Sybil prevention.  

No, that is not my point that "pow is heavy", read my post again and try really try hard to see the big picture. No offense, just open your eyes.

Hardware, Jinn, if you place one of these on a chip, someone will place 100 000 of them together in one big chip, call it a Specialized Processing Unit, and it would then be able to outpace and outrun at least 100 000 of other smaller chips. What I mean is, at IoT power levels, can not ever compete with a normal PC, lulz that should be obvious and clear as blue day, no matter if you place "specialized non-existent magic hardware" on it or not.

Hence, PoW and IoT are oxymorons. Pick one. You cant protect your IoT devices with PoW scheme.

But you can, with a signature based scheme such as Byteball, and other cryptocurrency, even DPoS works better. See IOTA developers and fans, say, "Oh but IoT will not be a full node, it will only send/sing transactions", Well duh, obviously, any fucking cryptocurrency can delegate a chip to be dumb and trust another full node. What good cryptocurrencies do is, allow the IoT chip to send/receive transactions with its own keys - by signing shit just as other full wallets, and get the protection from scammers and attackers as the rest of the network. Spicy isnt it.


Of course, IOTA, bragging about IoT so much, and now we hear from its supporter "IoT will be handed differently." WHAT. OK.

your first sentence is what I mean.
so: "That is funny, since last time I checked Iota, the PoW didnt help against Sybils, and instead people were asked for social proof to join the network, that ist he Sybil prevention.  "
and
" You cant protect your IoT devices with PoW scheme."

Could you elaborate?

[SatoNatomato]

PoW and IoT is oxymoron

Is micro transactions and transactions fees also an oxymoron?

No offense, but for someone out there all your personal transactions in your entire life are considered micro-transactions.

Are you saying that PoW is a kind of fee? So that IOTA can claim to be "zero-fee" but the fee is actually hidden in performing the PoW or integrating Jinn chip on the microcontroller?

Id say there is no "zero-fee" transactions (but nothing wrong in aspiring for it), even without a cryptocurrency, if you send a HTTPS to request update/change your balance on some account-site, that also has the cost in using battery, CPU, networking bandwidth to send and receive the request. But if youre doing the same from a laptop the cost is almost an iota. It just depends on what you are willing to pay, and what you consider to be almost worthless for you.

Hence, a fee model based on the data amount transferred makes sense for a cryptocurrency.

[SatoNatomato]

Could you elaborate?

I already did, you're getting tiresome.

[SteveoMB]

Could you elaborate?

I already did, you're getting tiresome.

no, you did not. you refused to give us a normal answer and just speak from your high hillbilly horse.
so you know what, keep your fucking byteball and visit us in 6 months from now.
let's see if your braindamage you frequently posted here ages well. I doubt it.

[SatoNatomato]

Could you elaborate?

I already did, you're getting tiresome.

ramble ramble

Yeah see you in 6 months when IOTA is still shit and has even more bigger promises for you.

[Voidcrafter]

Could you elaborate?

I already did, you're getting tiresome.

ramble ramble

Yeah see you in 6 months when IOTA is still shit and has even more bigger promises for you.

I was promised big companies adopting iota and real world use cases , so far I am pretty happy

[LiQio]

Could you elaborate?

I already did, you're getting tiresome.

ramble ramble

Yeah see you in 6 months when IOTA is still shit and has even more bigger promises for you.

Oh, come on! Your employer sent you here to pick a library, you can't just leave now.

[altcoinUK]

Could you elaborate?

I already did, you're getting tiresome.

ramble ramble

Yeah see you in 6 months when IOTA is still shit and has even more bigger promises for you.

Don't be upset about the debate. The IOTA shills and core players like to troll anybody who dare to interrupt the noble cause of luring money from idiots. The business model is rather simple: get as much money from the poorly informed naives and noobs as possible by talking up the coin price with all kind of nonsenses like the Microsoft Azure "partnership". As a side effect of the scam at least David try to create something tangible. We must acknowledge that as a rare and admirable quality in the cryptocurrency swamp. Nothing is black and white. Even the scammy IOTA could end up as a positive development if they develop a novel solution.

You are correct about PoW. There is no place for PoW in IoT. More generally speaking, the applicability of blockchain within IoT is limited. I described the issues of blockchain with IoT at the beginning of this topic in many posts.