"Bitcoin is in the midst of a civil war"

[BitcoinSupremo]

This debate shouldn't exist at all, whatever happens even with the fork, bitcoin will still continue to exist without any problems, so no civil war in my opinion regarding bitcoins.

[Kakmakr]

This fight reminds me about the days when we still had Netscape and IE and people were going on about the smallest difference between the two. We called it the "Browser Wars" and it went on for months, until Microsoft took the lead and dominated the scene. Using their domination in the OS environment as a driving method to gain dominance in the browser fights.

That has come and gone and now we have a plethora of browser still fighting for dominance. The same will happen with Bitcoin, because everyone wants to be on top and there are only place for one. ^smile^

[Lauda]

This debate shouldn't exist at all, whatever happens even with the fork, bitcoin will still continue to exist without any problems, so no civil war in my opinion regarding bitcoins.

How can you claim that there is no "civil war" when there have been countless "discussions" that include various forms of hostility over the course of the last few months?

Who cares about the block size issue!

Seems like a lot of people do?

That has come and gone and now we have a plethora of browser still fighting for dominance. The same will happen with Bitcoin, because everyone wants to be on top and there are only place for one. ^smile^

So your solution to the 'debate' is to introduce additional crypto-currencies that will 'fight for dominance'?

[bargainbin]

I'm telling you it's a fundamental flaw which you don't seem to find problematic.

I'm telling you that it isn't.

Correct, though has little to do with what I said, that being "what amounts to buying gift cards."

It doesn't.

Before you can buy your overpriced cup of coffee via Lightning, you have to lock away enough BTC for 100 cups, or Lightning is as pointless as buying yourself a "1 cup of coffee" gift card each time you buy a cup of coffee.
Which is pointless.

100 cups? See, you're being hyperbolic again. You can just as easily do it for 10.

Though some might suggest you're not technically using BTC, either.

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Whoever says that does not understand LN (albeit it is better than those that say that LN is an altcoin).
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>100 cups? See, you're being hyperbolic again. You can just as easily do it for 10.
Sure. You could also open a payment channel and fund it with just enough coin for 1 cup of coffee. It would be a stupid thing to do, you would loose money vs. transacting on the blockchain & bloat BTC blockchain in the process, but yeah, technically you could.
If BTC tx fees ever become substantial, setting up a payment channel for 10 cups of coffee would make that coffee prohibitively expensive. So 100 cups is a reasonable number, I'm good with it.

The rest of your comments are simply "no ur rong," and, as such, deserve no response. Responding only because it pains me to see you reduce yourself to this, Lauda, sniping like a hurt little girl. Stop acting like a hurt little girl, Lauda, it's unbecoming.

[Lauda]

Sure. You could also open a payment channel and fund it with just enough coin for 1 cup of coffee. It would be a stupid thing to do, you would loose money vs. transacting on the blockchain & bloat BTC blockchain in the process, but yeah, technically you could.
If BTC tx fees ever become substantial, setting up a payment channel for 10 cups of coffee would make that coffee prohibitively expensive. So 100 cups is a reasonable number, I'm good with it.

Doing so for 1 cup of coffee does not make sense indeed. LN is not efficient for such. However, you have no calculations to back up any exact numbers (e.g. at exactly what point is it inefficient/expensive). You're part of the 'complaining is better than contributing crowd'.

The rest of your comments are simply "no ur rong," and, as such, deserve no response. Responding only because it pains me to see you reduce yourself to this, Lauda, sniping like a hurt little girl. Stop acting like a hurt little girl, Lauda, it's unbecoming.

Simiarily you think that "ur rite" without anything backing up your words. I've done nothing but reduce to your level. +1 for ad hominem attempt.
Update: Seems like I've wasted my time. Stop trolling.

[bargainbin]

Sure. You could also open a payment channel and fund it with just enough coin for 1 cup of coffee. It would be a stupid thing to do, you would loose money vs. transacting on the blockchain & bloat BTC blockchain in the process, but yeah, technically you could.
If BTC tx fees ever become substantial, setting up a payment channel for 10 cups of coffee would make that coffee prohibitively expensive. So 100 cups is a reasonable number, I'm good with it.

Doing so for 1 cup of coffee does not make sense indeed. LN is not efficient for such. However, you have no calculations to back up any exact numbers (e.g. at exactly what point is it inefficient/expensive). You're part of the 'complaining is better than contributing crowd'.

The rest of your comments are simply "no ur rong," and, as such, deserve no response. Responding only because it pains me to see you reduce yourself to this, Lauda, sniping like a hurt little girl. Stop acting like a hurt little girl, Lauda, it's unbecoming.

Simiarily you think that "ur rite" without anything backing up your words. I've done nothing but reduce to your level. +1 for ad hominem attempt.

>you have no calculations to back up any exact numbers
Of course I have no numbers, there's no Lightning. duh.

>Simiarily you think that "ur rite"
Again, of course, not in the habit of saying stuff I think is wrong.
I back my comments with logic and reasoning and stuff. You? Not so much. As I mentioned earlier, ad hominem != wrong or inappropriate.
Saying this as an educator and a friend, Lauda, stop it with the petulant little girl comebacks, people will like you more  
Edit re. ad hominem: Avoid. Makes you sound like a kid who's desperately trying to sound smart.

[aso118]

This is old news. I think this kind of disagreement is unavoidable and do not consider this as civil war.
I would think it is a unavoidable growing up process through which Bitcoin can only get stronger.

It is old, but I think the description is apt. Until one side wins comprehensively, everybody in the bitcoin space is just going to bleed. We need this to be resolved before we can proceed further.

[DimensionZ]

There is no civil war if only one side is fighting between themselves and the other one is just watching. We as a community don't have the final say on the matter sadly. The consensus must be reached by the people in charge of development.