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Hello and welcome to Lisk - isang platapormang gawa sa JavaScript upang makagawa ng mga application na decentralized! Ang mga developers ay maaring gumawa ng kahit anong application, maglathala at ipamahagi sa lahat upang pagkakitaan o ano man gamit ang aming sistema.

Kami'y masaya na kayo ay aming nahikayat upang gamitin ang natatanging teknolohiya sa oras na ito. Sa ngayon, kami ay patuloy na nagtatrabaho upang ayusin at paghandaan ang aming investment round (ICO). Ngunit, sa ngayon pwede mo nang paglaruan ang code at kliente ng Lisk Web Login at pwede na rin makakuha ng testnet LISK upang paglaruan. Sumama sana kayo sa aming chat sa Lisk.Chat upang makipag-ugnayan doon. Gusto namin malaman ang inyong opinyon tungkol sa Lisk.

Kung gusto niyong malaman kung sino ang mga taong nagtatrabaho para sa Lisk, tignan niyo ang aming blog: Welcome to Lisk. This is us. kung saan mas mailalarawan namin kung ano ang Lisk at pati na rin ang aming mga plano. Malalaman niyo rin na kami ay galing sa Crypti Foundation, at ang aming rason para sa bagong simula Olivier and Max leave Crypti to establish Lisk. Kung gusto niyo rin malaman kung pano namin aayusin ang pagdedevelop, basahin ang blog post na ito: Lisk - A new approach.

Mayroong link na updated dito sa blog post na ito: Important Links and Resources.


Maraming salamat, at magkita-kita tayo!

Mabuhay,
Max Kordek, CEO




 Resources

Lisk Website
Lisk Blockchain Explorer
Lisk Faucet
Lisk Blog
Lisk Chat
Lisk Forum
Lisk Trello Board
Lisk GitHub
Lisk QQ Group: 377193016 (Chinese Name for Lisk: 应用链, means "Chain of Dapps")

Facebook
Twitter
Reddit

Bug Report


 Specifications

Block Time: 10 seconds
Round Time: ~17 minutes
Confirmations for Final Transaction: 6-10
Supply: 100 million LISK + Forging Rewards (currently 5 LISK per block)
Consensus System: Delegated Proof-of-Stake (DPOS)
Lisk's official ticker: LISK


 Documentation

Frequently Asked Questions
Installing Lisk (once clients are available)
Developing Dapps
Whitepaper (English)


 Initial Coin Offering (ICO)

All information about our ICO are available on our blog and website! Please read the following blog post and our FAQ.

ICO Summary

When does the ICO takes place?

The ICO takes place on the 22nd February and will end on the 21st March.

Which crypto-currencies can be exchanged?

In our ICO we accept Bitcoin (BTC) and any other altcoin supported by ShapeShift, e.g. Ether, Monero, Nxt, Dash or Litecoin. These crypto-currencies are eligible for all bonuses and rewards.

Additionally, we accept Crypti (XCR) for a fixed conversion rate of 0,00001300 BTC per XCR. Crypti is not eligible for any bonus or reward, and will always be accepted at the given conversion rate during the ICO.

Our Lisk community member MalReynolds2 also released great charts in which you can see how much Lisk you get for every Bitcoin exchanged, and how much Lisk you get for every Crypti exchanged.



How is the distribution?

1,000,000 LISK for early supporters (Bounty Campaign).
2,000,000 LISK for advisors, partners, and 3rd parties.
4,000,000 LISK for campaigns and bounties (after ICO).
8,000,000 LISK for the Lisk core team.
85,000,000 LISK for ICO participants.

All Money is held in Escrow

The ICO takes place on the 22nd February and will end on the 21st March.

All BTC will directly go into a 2-of-3 multi-signature Coinbase vault. That means the money can only be withdrawn if two of the three signees agree.

Therefore we have partnered up with two trusted and reputable individuals who will get one key to the multi-signature vault each.

Axel Hellinger alias iudica, German Lawyer at Kanzlei Hellinger
Paul Klanschek alias TwinWinNerD, CEO of Coinimal

Please be aware that both are independent escrow partners, Coinimal as a company is not involved in this partnership.

Where can I participate?

You will be able to participate on our custom-built website (will be activated once the ICO begins). Today we will also release a guide on how to participate.

What bonuses can I receive?

There will be 4 stages in which people can earn different bonuses for their exchanged BTC and ShapeShift accepted altcoins. (Not valid for exchanged XCR!)

First week: 15% bonus
Second week: 10% bonus
Third week: 5% bonus
Fourth week: 0% bonus

Special reward for day 1 participants

In order to provide a higher incentive to participate in the ICO from day one, we will be taking 200,000 LISK out of our own funds, and distributing them to all day one ICO participants according to their exchanged amounts. The extra reward will be given to users who donate BTC or an altcoin accepted by ShapeShift within the first day of the ICO launch.


For more detailed information, please head to the Lisk ICO Terms on our blog!



 Roadmap

Important Early Dates

22nd February: The Lisk ICO begins.
21st March: The Lisk ICO ends.
End of March: Mainnet launch
End of March: LISK are being distributed

Lisk v0.1.x - February 2016

Initial Lisk user-interface rebranding.
Block rewards; to create a financial incentive to run an active delegate (more information next week).
Multi-lingual interface (starting with Chinese, French, German and English).
Responsive user-interface for mobile and tablet devices.
Introduce new and improved Dapp Store categories.

Lisk v0.2.x - First half of March 2016

Restructuring of dapp storage solutions to better cater for end-users.
Interactive user guides available within the client.
An integrated faucet for seeding new users with LISK.
News feeds (blog & dapp news) on the Lisk Dashboard.
LISK price charts on the Lisk Dashboard.

Lisk v0.3.x - Second half of March 2016

User avatars (implemented as a dapp).
User profiles (implemented as a dapp, e.g. a delegate can insert a contact option).

Lisk v0.4.x and onwards

We still need to research more advanced features. We are open to discussions and will update our roadmap with new advanced features once we are going forward.

Dapp store enhancements (dapp updates, user reviews, user ratings, featured dapps, buy a dapp, and more…).
IPFS integration as a dapp storage solution.
Plug 'n play system for sidechain forgers.
Update the Lite client to include all new features.
iOS & Android clients.


 Bounties
Magrereserba kami ng 1,000,000 LISK (1% of the total amount) para sa mga bounty at sa mga maagang magsusuporta sa amin bago ang aming ICO. Pwede mong tulungan ang Lisk, ipamahagi ito sa iba't-ibang mga crypto-communities at makakakuha kayo ng stake sa mga bounties sa ibaba.

Newsletter Subscribers — 200,000 LISK

Subscribe sa aming newsletter na makikita sa ibaba ng aming website: website at ilagay ang inyong email sa lugar kung saan nakasulat ang: “Your email”.

Facebook Likes — 100,000 LISK

Bigyan kami ng Facebook like at makakuha ng mga updates tungkol sa Lisk at pati na rin sa aming ICO. Ang mga blog posts namin ay napupunta rin sa aming Facebook Page

Update: Inayos namin ang isang bug at ginawang 100,000 LISK ang bounty.


Twitter Followers — 200,000 LISK

Makakuha ng Lisk para sa pagfollow sa aming official Twitter account. Maglalagay kami ng tips at tricks, at pati narin ang mga updates tungkol sa Lisk at ICO

Signature Campaign — 200,000 LISK

Maglagay ng amin signatures mula sa aming Bitcointalk OP sa inyong Bitcointalk Profile at makakuha ng stake kada linggo!

Para makasali sa listahan ng mga makakakuha ng stake, dapat magpost kahit isang beses sa aming Bitcointalk Thread. Inaayos namin kada linggo at nilalagay ang mga username ng mga tao.



 Team Members

Core Team & Management

       LiskHQ          

Max Kordek, CEO
Max is an electrical engineering student at the RWTH Aachen University in the morning and a crypto enthusiast for the rest of the day. His journey into the crypto-currency realm began with Litecoin, and continued with Nxt where he was the CEO of the Nxt Organization and managed the official web presence. After that he joined Crypti and helped building it out into what it is today. He is also the chairman of Bitcoin Aachen, his local university group. His next goal is to make Lisk the leading dapp and sidechain platform for JavaScript developers in the world.



       karmacoma24          

Olivier Beddows, CTO
Olivier Beddows is a full stack developer with over 15 years experience in developing web based e-commerce applications. He joined Crypti (Lisk's predecessor) in early 2015 as a tools developer, and since then has gone on to develop much of the core infrastructure on which Lisk relies upon. He is a husband, father, amateur time-trialist, open-source advocate, and works tirelessly to build a better future for the Lisk platform everyday.



More information about our team members is available on our team page.


 Lisk Academy

The Lisk Academy is an initiative to help beginners to understand several topics about Lisk more easier with short videos.

Deploy a VPS on Vultr or DigitalOcean
Install Lisk From Source Code


 Announcements

Lisk ICO Terms
Lisk ICO Terms - Part III
Axel Hellinger joins Lisk as Legal Adviser
Lisk Academy
Привет - Access the Lisk client in Russian!
Lisk ICO Terms - Part II
Lisk v0.1.1 - Release Announcement
Explaining Lisk Forging Rewards
Boris Povod joins Lisk as our first adviser
Lisk ICO Terms - Part I
Introducing our Multi-lingual UI
First Lisk Community Get-Together on 7th February
The Lisk Roadmap
A public Trello board to track our progress
Overview of all available Bounties
Being Open Source
Lisk - A new approach
Welcome to Lisk. This is us.
Closing the last Commitments to the Crypti Foundation
Statement regarding recent Allegations
Olivier and Max leave Crypti to establish Lisk!


 Media sources

Ethereum Alternative Lisk Announces ICO With ShapeShift - New Open Source Dapp & Sidechain Platform
Ethereum Alternatif Lisk mengumumkan ICO dengan ShapeShift – New Open Source Dapp & Sidechain Platform
La nueva plataforma de aplicaciones descentralizadas y cadenas laterales Lisk, anuncia asociación con Shapeshift para su oferta inicial de monedas
Ethereum Alternative Lisk Announces ICO With ShapeShift – New Open Source Dapp & Sidechain Platform
Decentralized Startup for Decentralized Apps: Interview with CEO of Lisk
Lisk: decentralised applications, reloaded
Lisk Harapan Baru Setelah Crypti
Burgfrieden bei Crypti/Lisk – Lisk wird Crypti wohl ersetzen
Crypti vs. Lisk – Palastrevolution führt zur Spaltung der Community
Decentralized Apps Platform Crypti Splits: Lisk Fork Announced
Olivier and Max leave Crypti to establish Lisk!


 Lisk in other languages

Russian - Thank you Rashid Ahmed
Spanish - Thank you freemind1
Polish - Thank you mike77777
Brazilian Portuguese - Thank you m-s-v
German - Thank you bobafett
Chinese - Thank you alicex - Please join our Lisk QQ group: 377193016
French - Thank you BMOO
Indonesian - Thank you dansus021
Filipino - Thank you Emerge
Romanian - Thank you ElitistCA
Italian - Thank you Splatters
Dutch - Thank you dev0tion
Greek - Thank you m3rt1x
Hungarian (Work-in-progress!)
Romanian (Work-in-progress!)
Danish (Work-in-progress!)
Croatian (Work-in-progress!)
Slovenian (Work-in-progress!)

We also look for other languages. Please contact us for more details or look here.

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For Sr Members and above:

Lisk.
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    Website | Blog | BTT Thread | Chat - Be part of the decentralized application movement!

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bro interested ako pero kelan magkakaroon ng coins nyo sa mga exchange sites?

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bro interested ako pero kelan magkakaroon ng coins nyo sa mga exchange sites?

Mid-way March 2016 lalabas ang main network ng Lisk at gagawin yung ICO
so siguro banda roon rin lalabas sa exchanges ang Lisk! Smiley

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Can you state what is the edge of this one over the others like Doge, ETH or even Bitcoin? This is so we'll know kung may chance ba tong umangat or maging one of those Pump and Dump coins na after ng ICO bumagsak ang price tapos di na umangat at nagkalimutan na.

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February 11, 2016, 03:03:07 PM
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Can you state what is the edge of this one over the others like Doge, ETH or even Bitcoin? This is so we'll know kung may chance ba tong umangat or maging one of those Pump and Dump coins na after ng ICO bumagsak ang price tapos di na umangat at nagkalimutan na.

Tama. Usually kasi bumabagsak ang price after ICO. Marami na akong coins na nabili sa mga ICO at ayun, nakatambak lang sa wallet dahil halos 80% to 90% ang ibinababa ng price after ng ICO.
Kadalasan kasi sa mga dev eh walang malinaw na plano kung ano ang gagawin nila pagkatapos na makapagbenta ng mga coins.
At hindi na ako natuto. Ahaha. Lagi pa din ako bumibili pap may ICO.
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Can you state what is the edge of this one over the others like Doge, ETH or even Bitcoin? This is so we'll know kung may chance ba tong umangat or maging one of those Pump and Dump coins na after ng ICO bumagsak ang price tapos di na umangat at nagkalimutan na.

Can you state what is the edge of this one over the others like Doge, ETH or even Bitcoin? This is so we'll know kung may chance ba tong umangat or maging one of those Pump and Dump coins na after ng ICO bumagsak ang price tapos di na umangat at nagkalimutan na.

Tama. Usually kasi bumabagsak ang price after ICO. Marami na akong coins na nabili sa mga ICO at ayun, nakatambak lang sa wallet dahil halos 80% to 90% ang ibinababa ng price after ng ICO.
Kadalasan kasi sa mga dev eh walang malinaw na plano kung ano ang gagawin nila pagkatapos na makapagbenta ng mga coins.
At hindi na ako natuto. Ahaha. Lagi pa din ako bumibili pap may ICO.

Lisk is not only a cryptocurrency, pero platform rin siya para gumawa ng Decentralized Applications at gawa siya sa Node.JS.
Aside from that, meron siyang sidechain system para di magbloat yung main blockchain para laging maliit lang yung blockchain size.

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Can you state what is the edge of this one over the others like Doge, ETH or even Bitcoin? This is so we'll know kung may chance ba tong umangat or maging one of those Pump and Dump coins na after ng ICO bumagsak ang price tapos di na umangat at nagkalimutan na.

Can you state what is the edge of this one over the others like Doge, ETH or even Bitcoin? This is so we'll know kung may chance ba tong umangat or maging one of those Pump and Dump coins na after ng ICO bumagsak ang price tapos di na umangat at nagkalimutan na.

Tama. Usually kasi bumabagsak ang price after ICO. Marami na akong coins na nabili sa mga ICO at ayun, nakatambak lang sa wallet dahil halos 80% to 90% ang ibinababa ng price after ng ICO.
Kadalasan kasi sa mga dev eh walang malinaw na plano kung ano ang gagawin nila pagkatapos na makapagbenta ng mga coins.
At hindi na ako natuto. Ahaha. Lagi pa din ako bumibili pap may ICO.

Lisk is not only a cryptocurrency, pero platform rin siya para gumawa ng Decentralized Applications at gawa siya sa Node.JS.
Aside from that, meron siyang sidechain system para di magbloat yung main blockchain para laging maliit lang yung blockchain size.

So in a sense parang ETH din, not only a currency but a platform in itself. Well, the only way na tingin ko lumakas ang altcoins is if they have a concrete plan on how to increase its usability. The higher the demand gets the better the value will be. Usability ang key para magkaroon tayo ng next bitcoin in the making. If not, more like it will be just like any other altcoins out there.

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Can you state what is the edge of this one over the others like Doge, ETH or even Bitcoin? This is so we'll know kung may chance ba tong umangat or maging one of those Pump and Dump coins na after ng ICO bumagsak ang price tapos di na umangat at nagkalimutan na.

Can you state what is the edge of this one over the others like Doge, ETH or even Bitcoin? This is so we'll know kung may chance ba tong umangat or maging one of those Pump and Dump coins na after ng ICO bumagsak ang price tapos di na umangat at nagkalimutan na.

Tama. Usually kasi bumabagsak ang price after ICO. Marami na akong coins na nabili sa mga ICO at ayun, nakatambak lang sa wallet dahil halos 80% to 90% ang ibinababa ng price after ng ICO.
Kadalasan kasi sa mga dev eh walang malinaw na plano kung ano ang gagawin nila pagkatapos na makapagbenta ng mga coins.
At hindi na ako natuto. Ahaha. Lagi pa din ako bumibili pap may ICO.

Lisk is not only a cryptocurrency, pero platform rin siya para gumawa ng Decentralized Applications at gawa siya sa Node.JS.
Aside from that, meron siyang sidechain system para di magbloat yung main blockchain para laging maliit lang yung blockchain size.

So in a sense parang ETH din, not only a currency but a platform in itself. Well, the only way na tingin ko lumakas ang altcoins is if they have a concrete plan on how to increase its usability. The higher the demand gets the better the value will be. Usability ang key para magkaroon tayo ng next bitcoin in the making. If not, more like it will be just like any other altcoins out there.

I myself am developing over Lisk, and it's great kasi NodeJS based siya and the possibilities are endless as long as you have the creativity for it.
It's also DPoS para secured and democratic yung economy at control

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https://blog.lisk.io/lisk-ico-terms-part-ii-3b50ab74c9b6

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This is getting interesting. I was following lisk since the time you posted it here in our local sub-forum.
I understand that "all btc collected will be held by your escrow partner."
My question is, how sure  are  the would-be ICO participants that your escrow partner are trusted? I'm asking this because I will definitely get some lisk when you have your ICO.
I don't know if you are priviledge enough to answer such, pero kung galing ang sagot sa kapwa ko Pinoy, mas maniniwala ako.
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Siguro sali din ako kahit konti. Kung magfail at least konti lang naman mawawala, pero kung magboom e di biglang asenso din.

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This is getting interesting. I was following lisk since the time you posted it here in our local sub-forum.
I understand that "all btc collected will be held by your escrow partner."
My question is, how sure  are  the would-be ICO participants that your escrow partner are trusted? I'm asking this because I will definitely get some lisk when you have your ICO.
I don't know if you are priviledge enough to answer such, pero kung galing ang sagot sa kapwa ko Pinoy, mas maniniwala ako.

I personally talked to Max Kordek, the CEO and I myself believe in their business model.
Besides nanggaling sila sa team Crypti which held a successful ICO even without an escrow.

Nag fork lang sila since kailangan ng mas mabilis na structure para mas mabilis ang updates at new features ng platform

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This is getting interesting. I was following lisk since the time you posted it here in our local sub-forum.
I understand that "all btc collected will be held by your escrow partner."
My question is, how sure  are  the would-be ICO participants that your escrow partner are trusted? I'm asking this because I will definitely get some lisk when you have your ICO.
I don't know if you are priviledge enough to answer such, pero kung galing ang sagot sa kapwa ko Pinoy, mas maniniwala ako.

I personally talked to Max Kordek, the CEO and I myself believe in their business model.
Besides nanggaling sila sa team Crypti which held a successful ICO even without an escrow.

Nag fork lang sila since kailangan ng mas mabilis na structure para mas mabilis ang updates at new features ng platform

Just keep us updated, baka may mga kababayan tayong interested like me Smiley

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Anu po ito boss nag cacampaign ka para sa mga full member.. or bagong altcoin ito para sa mga pinoy users...
Di ko masyadong maintindhan ang op..

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Anu po ito boss nag cacampaign ka para sa mga full member.. or bagong altcoin ito para sa mga pinoy users...
Di ko masyadong maintindhan ang op..

Translation po siya ng Lisk OP, sorry kung medyo
malalim yung translation di kasi masyado ginagamit yung ibang salita diyan sa Filipino e.

Anyway, pwede mo gamitin ang signature para makakuha ka ng percent sa bounty para sa mga early supporters Smiley

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Anu po ito boss nag cacampaign ka para sa mga full member.. or bagong altcoin ito para sa mga pinoy users...
Di ko masyadong maintindhan ang op..

Translation po siya ng Lisk OP, sorry kung medyo
malalim yung translation di kasi masyado ginagamit yung ibang salita diyan sa Filipino e.

Anyway, pwede mo gamitin ang signature para makakuha ka ng percent sa bounty para sa mga early supporters Smiley


Aba may promotion din pala via signature, may I know kung alam mo gano kadami ang makukuhang Lisk as bounty for early supporters?

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Anu po ito boss nag cacampaign ka para sa mga full member.. or bagong altcoin ito para sa mga pinoy users...
Di ko masyadong maintindhan ang op..

Translation po siya ng Lisk OP, sorry kung medyo
malalim yung translation di kasi masyado ginagamit yung ibang salita diyan sa Filipino e.

Anyway, pwede mo gamitin ang signature para makakuha ka ng percent sa bounty para sa mga early supporters Smiley


Aba may promotion din pala via signature, may I know kung alam mo gano kadami ang makukuhang Lisk as bounty for early supporters?

Nasa OP po.
Magshashare po yung mga supporters sa pot (share increased by amount of weeks worn or amount of actions done)

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Anu po ito boss nag cacampaign ka para sa mga full member.. or bagong altcoin ito para sa mga pinoy users...
Di ko masyadong maintindhan ang op..

Translation po siya ng Lisk OP, sorry kung medyo
malalim yung translation di kasi masyado ginagamit yung ibang salita diyan sa Filipino e.

Anyway, pwede mo gamitin ang signature para makakuha ka ng percent sa bounty para sa mga early supporters Smiley


Aba may promotion din pala via signature, may I know kung alam mo gano kadami ang makukuhang Lisk as bounty for early supporters?

Nasa OP po.
Magshashare po yung mga supporters sa pot (share increased by amount of weeks worn or amount of actions done)

Thanks, I'll see kung sali ako as supporter Smiley

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sali din ako dito OP matyag matyag lang muna habang papalapit ung pag labas nung coin sakto un baka medyo may naipon na ko pang invest baka biglang mag boom sama sama tayo sa pag asenso..salamat sa pag share boss.

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sali din ako dito OP matyag matyag lang muna habang papalapit ung pag labas nung coin sakto un baka medyo may naipon na ko pang invest baka biglang mag boom sama sama tayo sa pag asenso..salamat sa pag share boss.

Ako din, sasali ako since mura lang naman at malay mo biglang umangat. Ang problema lang sa mga ganito, pag biglang tumaas madami agad ang nagbebentahan e.

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