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February 12, 2016, 06:51:07 PM
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This is trick question, maybe they were 100 years before.
But today they preaching jihad and war.
And all that with great support from US..I don't want to remind you who gave  Saddam Hussein a chemical weapons ,and who created Al Qaeda..
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February 12, 2016, 08:40:36 PM
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This is trick question, maybe they were 100 years before.
But today they preaching jihad and war.
And all that with great support from US..I don't want to remind you who gave  Saddam Hussein a chemical weapons ,and who created Al Qaeda..

A trick question?  So when devout muslims post that "Islam is peace," where is the trickery?  In their heads?  In what they want us to believe?  (And I don't think the US is without fault, for sure...)
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February 12, 2016, 09:11:41 PM
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Was any religion a religion of peace?
All religions have gone threw the process of war.Well the 3 main religions have done this.
Islam is like religions from 300 years and past..War war war persecution persecution.
Now that where in the 21st century and science as advanced so much do we need religion any more?.
Did we ever need religion?.

I am sick of hearing about religion all of it. Islam as been no different than other religions crazy?.
Now the migrants they come from the middle east..And most parts of the middle east are still living like 300 years ago so there mentality wont be the same as western values because they have never moved
forward in life.
And only because there rulers have kept there own people in the middle ages by promoting Sharia law
And its all because they want to keep most of the peoples money?.

Now all these Muslims who have been living in the west for the last 30 to 40 years have picked up western values and western law and mix it with ISLAM and cut the bits out of the Koran to suit there
own purpose.
When if they lived in the middle east they would have to follow it by Sharia law?
So when a western Muslim women cry's out about how western people are persecuting the religion of Islam..
And while she is saying that Islam is being persecuted the woman is wearing no veil and looks like she as been born in the west.
And that gets me angry.Because if she lived in the middle east she would be stoned to death for the way she looks
Now how many different types of MUSLIMS are there?
Just like past religions many. And besides killing people for not believing in there faith they would kill people in there own faith for not believing in the way that they believed that faith. CRAZY.And Islam is the only religion left doing this
All the 3 main religions have been and are still doing this and all for something that does not exist Cheesy

So now we need to ask our selves do we want any religion at all Knowing what past religions have done in the name of religion.Because the middle east wants to carry this shit on and only because there rulers want slaves I.E KEEP THE MONEY TO BUY SLAVES.power greed i want to keep it all buck anyone else..
Its nothing to do with Islam well it as BUT what i mean is if it was Christianity Acting like this
which it as acted like Islam I would hate that as much as I hate Islam.
So I am sorry if i offend you but ISLAM is the Middle ages and if you want to live back in the middle ages then i suggest you stay in your own country because we don't want Islam anywhere near our western beliefs
We had this all in the past with CHRISTIANITY WE HAVE MOVED FORWARD TO THE 21ST CENTURY.

And to SAUDI ARABIA..

You go in first not the USA OR UK you..What seems to be the problem why do you want America to go in first for?..
Now these are the Question
point 1 is  ISIS the USA AND UK and that is why they wont go in first? or are the Saudi arabs shit bags?

I think there shit bags but Something STINKS IN THIS WHOLE SITUATION?
And many people from western values see this..WHY DO YOU THINK TRUMPS WINING
BECAUSE TRUMPS TELLING EVERYONE ABOUT THE RICH MAN'S TRICKS..
The religion trick and the war trick. HE KNOWS Grin And so do we?

So is ISLAM A RELIGION OF PEACE SIMPLE ANSWER NO. It was never meant to be its about suppression.
all religion..
So all religion should stay in the past
I just don't want to carry this shit on for another 1000 years i want to fly to the stars.
We would be only for religion.and all because the kings and queens of yesteryear wanted to keep there
POWER? THEY ARE GREEDY..
So are the SAUDI trying to keep that power well sure looks like Grin
Are all top people trying to hang on to power well sure looks like Grin
Be fair and spread some love and money to your people. OR ONE DAY THEY WILL JUST TAKE IT

JUST ASK UK AND FRANCE WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO KINGS AND QUEENS FOR SUPPRESSING THERE OWN  Oliver Cromwell  
I AM GLAD TO BE BRITISH WE STAND AND FIGHT









 









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February 12, 2016, 09:37:04 PM
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Did we ever need religion?.
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Definitely.  A common belief in myths was what allowed Homo Sapiens form larger social groups and helped them survive and kill much larger animals.
Strangers were more willing to co-operate with other strangers because they had a common myth and goal in life.

Religion and myths were later codified into laws that governed these bands of (1000-5000 apes).

Religion/Myths were critical in genocide of Neanderthals and other subspecies of our genus. Unfortunately for Neanderthals, who lived in small "family and close friends" bands of 50-100 apes, despite of being physically stronger they were no match against smaller, smarter hordes of our ancestors.

A single Neanderthal could take on 5-10 smart apes, but with 100+ to 1 ratio, they did not stand a chance.

Religion played a key role in our past, whether we agree with it or not.  However, scientific revolution of the last 400 years completely eliminated the need for it.
Every new scientific discovery puts another nail in the coffin of religion.

Today's apes are way smarter than the ones that beat the Neanderthals.  We are slowly becoming Gods of the past.

AI will finish the job, IMHO.

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February 12, 2016, 09:44:58 PM
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Also stop mixing Islam with race..

I watched a documentary last night And this Muslim come from another country.He loved to sing and went on Britain's got talent.He was waving our flag saying how much he loved our country.
He said he felt free to express himself and loved the Uk.
Now the point is he forgot about his religion and wanted to live like we do .
I was thinking he could move next door to me and he would be a pleasure to live next door too.he was so happy and funny top young man.

So You see its not about race with me its about religion I.E there way of thinking its old and should stay in the past Grin
Also if i work and pay my taxes all my life is it a right that my child should get first choice of a job before a foreigner?
Or should it be no matter where your from there will be competition for jobs no matter what race you are?
Because if you think the planet should be as 1 then get used to foreigners taking your jobs

 
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February 12, 2016, 09:49:45 PM
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Also stop mixing Islam with race..
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Who did that?
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February 12, 2016, 10:00:45 PM
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Sometimes I like to play this thought experiment about living in the past a minority.

Assume you are a minority and someone says you will travel back in time to live out the rest of your life. The time frame you will be living in is 660-1700c.e (Islam's Golden Days). You, as a minority, would plead and beg to live in a land governed by muslims.

The Quran is very clear "There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion."

The muslim rulers implemented this "hands off" approach when it can to people's personal lives because it is strictly FORBIDDEN to compel someone to believe anything by force. If you study the muslim style of government you might be very surprised by what you learn.



Sure, most of the middle east and muslim lands look pretty awful today. They are not backward because of their religion. They are backward DESPITE their religion.
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February 12, 2016, 10:21:19 PM
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Did we ever need religion?.
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Definitely.  A common belief in myths was what allowed Homo Sapiens form larger social groups and helped them survive and kill much larger animals.
Strangers were more willing to co-operate with other strangers because they had a common myth and goal in life.

Religion and myths were later codified into laws that governed these bands of (1000-5000 apes).

Religion/Myths were critical in genocide of Neanderthals and other subspecies of our genus. Unfortunately for Neanderthals, who lived in small "family and close friends" bands of 50-100 apes, despite of being physically stronger they were no match against smaller, smarter hordes of our ancestors.

A single Neanderthal could take on 5-10 smart apes, but with 100+ to 1 ratio, they did not stand a chance.

Religion played a key role in our past, whether we agree with it or not.  However, scientific revolution of the last 400 years completely eliminated the need for it.
Every new scientific discovery puts another nail in the coffin of religion.

Today's apes are way smarter than the ones that beat the Neanderthals.  We are slowly becoming Gods of the past.

AI will finish the job, IMHO.


Your wrong nothing to do with religion its because we shared food we joined together..Before we could even write religion was so because of the weather FACT to blame someone for the bad weather?
Its been all about suppression of your own kind.
Nothing to do with invading other people more like keeping your own people from taking what you have or to blame someone for the bad weather
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February 12, 2016, 10:23:08 PM
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Sure, most of the middle east and muslim lands look pretty awful today. They are not backward because of their religion. They are backward DESPITE their religion.
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That might have been be true in Mohammed's times.  But certainly would not apply to today.

Few centuries have passed, we'd had a scientific revolution, we developed a more sophisticated set of moral norms for what is an acceptable behavior.   Sharia law as codified in Quaran might have been a good idea at the time it was written but today it is a set of vile, barbaric rules.  The same goes for legal, social and political frameworks.

Islam (just like any other religion) has no place in the 21st century.  Sorry to pop your bubble.

Before you start defending Islam, just prove that flying horses exist (or have ever existed), never mind the rivers of wine in heaven and young virgins (how did they get there, never mind don't answer that one.).

Going back to the original question:  I believe that Islam is not a religion of peace because of the jihaddist movement that actually picked up steam in post-colonial political vacuum.  If you eraticate this jihadist ideology, Islam might become a religion of peace (after Quran is properly translated and religion goes through years of transformation, same way Christianity went through).  Or dismiss it completely now.  May peace be upon you.
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February 12, 2016, 10:23:50 PM
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Also stop mixing Islam with race..
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Who did that?
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy not you  Cheesy on tv there saying when you talk about Islam in a bad way your a raciest
but its not about race its about religion
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February 12, 2016, 10:26:51 PM
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Sometimes I like to play this thought experiment about living in the past a minority.

Assume you are a minority and someone says you will travel back in time to live out the rest of your life. The time frame you will be living in is 660-1700c.e (Islam's Golden Days). You, as a minority, would plead and beg to live in a land governed by muslims.

The Quran is very clear "There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion."

The muslim rulers implemented this "hands off" approach when it can to people's personal lives because it is strictly FORBIDDEN to compel someone to believe anything by force. If you study the muslim style of government you might be very surprised by what you learn.



Sure, most of the middle east and muslim lands look pretty awful today. They are not backward because of their religion. They are backward DESPITE their religion.

No there backward because of there religion and being suppressed

UK was backward 300 years ago we where suppressed because of religion
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February 12, 2016, 10:27:17 PM
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Did we ever need religion?.
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Definitely.  A common belief in myths was what allowed Homo Sapiens form larger social groups and helped them survive and kill much larger animals.
Strangers were more willing to co-operate with other strangers because they had a common myth and goal in life.

Religion and myths were later codified into laws that governed these bands of (1000-5000 apes).

Religion/Myths were critical in genocide of Neanderthals and other subspecies of our genus. Unfortunately for Neanderthals, who lived in small "family and close friends" bands of 50-100 apes, despite of being physically stronger they were no match against smaller, smarter hordes of our ancestors.

A single Neanderthal could take on 5-10 smart apes, but with 100+ to 1 ratio, they did not stand a chance.

Religion played a key role in our past, whether we agree with it or not.  However, scientific revolution of the last 400 years completely eliminated the need for it.
Every new scientific discovery puts another nail in the coffin of religion.

Today's apes are way smarter than the ones that beat the Neanderthals.  We are slowly becoming Gods of the past.

AI will finish the job, IMHO.


Your wrong nothing to do with religion its because we shared food we joined together..Before we could even write religion was so because of the weather FACT to blame someone for the bad weather?
Its been all about suppression of your own kind.
Nothing to do with invading other people more like keeping your own people from taking what you have or to blame someone for the bad weather


And how did we get the food.  Go to the supermarket?  Sapiens expansion out of Africa and genocide of other hominids is well documented.  google it.

Read a book or two.  

Try this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Sapiens-Humankind-Yuval-Noah-Harari/dp/0062316095/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455315855&sr=8-1&keywords=brief+history+of+human

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February 12, 2016, 10:31:24 PM
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Did we ever need religion?.
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Definitely.  A common belief in myths was what allowed Homo Sapiens form larger social groups and helped them survive and kill much larger animals.
Strangers were more willing to co-operate with other strangers because they had a common myth and goal in life.

Religion and myths were later codified into laws that governed these bands of (1000-5000 apes).

Religion/Myths were critical in genocide of Neanderthals and other subspecies of our genus. Unfortunately for Neanderthals, who lived in small "family and close friends" bands of 50-100 apes, despite of being physically stronger they were no match against smaller, smarter hordes of our ancestors.

A single Neanderthal could take on 5-10 smart apes, but with 100+ to 1 ratio, they did not stand a chance.

Religion played a key role in our past, whether we agree with it or not.  However, scientific revolution of the last 400 years completely eliminated the need for it.
Every new scientific discovery puts another nail in the coffin of religion.

Today's apes are way smarter than the ones that beat the Neanderthals.  We are slowly becoming Gods of the past.

AI will finish the job, IMHO.


Your wrong nothing to do with religion its because we shared food we joined together..Before we could even write religion was so because of the weather FACT to blame someone for the bad weather?
Its been all about suppression of your own kind.
Nothing to do with invading other people more like keeping your own people from taking what you have or to blame someone for the bad weather


And how did we get the food.  Go to the supermarket?  Sapiens expansion out of Africa and genocide of other hominids is well documented.  google it.

Read a book or two.  

Try this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Sapiens-Humankind-Yuval-Noah-Harari/dp/0062316095/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455315855&sr=8-1&keywords=brief+history+of+human


Well was nothing to do with joining another group..
you fed your family only at one stage ..so why was religion about joining together to capture bigger animals SO YOU READ SOME BOOKS

See you read books all done by humans and the trouble with you is
when i ask the question how did man begin with fire? i would look at history and think why?
you would just say a match stick..

i look at myself like an animal a germ a tree a plant an organism did they need religion to survive
please don.t be like BADECKER and mix religion with another meaning .I MEAN GODS..

So ask your self this question again DID WE EVEN NEED RELIGION?
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February 12, 2016, 10:35:42 PM
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Did we ever need religion?.
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Definitely.  A common belief in myths was what allowed Homo Sapiens form larger social groups and helped them survive and kill much larger animals.
Strangers were more willing to co-operate with other strangers because they had a common myth and goal in life.

Religion and myths were later codified into laws that governed these bands of (1000-5000 apes).

Religion/Myths were critical in genocide of Neanderthals and other subspecies of our genus. Unfortunately for Neanderthals, who lived in small "family and close friends" bands of 50-100 apes, despite of being physically stronger they were no match against smaller, smarter hordes of our ancestors.

A single Neanderthal could take on 5-10 smart apes, but with 100+ to 1 ratio, they did not stand a chance.

Religion played a key role in our past, whether we agree with it or not.  However, scientific revolution of the last 400 years completely eliminated the need for it.
Every new scientific discovery puts another nail in the coffin of religion.

Today's apes are way smarter than the ones that beat the Neanderthals.  We are slowly becoming Gods of the past.

AI will finish the job, IMHO.


Your wrong nothing to do with religion its because we shared food we joined together..Before we could even write religion was so because of the weather FACT to blame someone for the bad weather?
Its been all about suppression of your own kind.
Nothing to do with invading other people more like keeping your own people from taking what you have or to blame someone for the bad weather


And how did we get the food.  Go to the supermarket?  Sapiens expansion out of Africa and genocide of other hominids is well documented.  google it.

Read a book or two.  

Try this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Sapiens-Humankind-Yuval-Noah-Harari/dp/0062316095/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455315855&sr=8-1&keywords=brief+history+of+human


Well was nothing to do with joining another group..
you fed your family only at one stage ..so why was religion about joining together to capture bigger animals SO YOU READ SOME BOOKS

The same way Muslims in UK or Indonesia "feel the pain" of the Palestinians and want to kill the Jews.  Same idea.  They share the same myth and are willing to co-operate.  Without that myth they would never even think twice about it.

Imagine how far fetched were the Christian crusades.  Do you think people would participate in them if it was not for the myth?

Or a modern religion of "nationalism and patriotism", same thing, people are willing to die for the myth, send their own children to die for the "cause".

But we are getting off topic.
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Did we ever need religion?.
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Definitely.  A common belief in myths was what allowed Homo Sapiens form larger social groups and helped them survive and kill much larger animals.
Strangers were more willing to co-operate with other strangers because they had a common myth and goal in life.

Religion and myths were later codified into laws that governed these bands of (1000-5000 apes).

Religion/Myths were critical in genocide of Neanderthals and other subspecies of our genus. Unfortunately for Neanderthals, who lived in small "family and close friends" bands of 50-100 apes, despite of being physically stronger they were no match against smaller, smarter hordes of our ancestors.

A single Neanderthal could take on 5-10 smart apes, but with 100+ to 1 ratio, they did not stand a chance.

Religion played a key role in our past, whether we agree with it or not.  However, scientific revolution of the last 400 years completely eliminated the need for it.
Every new scientific discovery puts another nail in the coffin of religion.

Today's apes are way smarter than the ones that beat the Neanderthals.  We are slowly becoming Gods of the past.

AI will finish the job, IMHO.


Your wrong nothing to do with religion its because we shared food we joined together..Before we could even write religion was so because of the weather FACT to blame someone for the bad weather?
Its been all about suppression of your own kind.
Nothing to do with invading other people more like keeping your own people from taking what you have or to blame someone for the bad weather


And how did we get the food.  Go to the supermarket?  Sapiens expansion out of Africa and genocide of other hominids is well documented.  google it.

Read a book or two.  

Try this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Sapiens-Humankind-Yuval-Noah-Harari/dp/0062316095/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455315855&sr=8-1&keywords=brief+history+of+human


Well was nothing to do with joining another group..
you fed your family only at one stage ..so why was religion about joining together to capture bigger animals SO YOU READ SOME BOOKS

The same way Muslims in UK or Indonesia "feel the pain" of the Palestinians and want to kill the Jews.  Same idea.  They share the same myth and are willing to co-operate.  Without that myth they would never even think twice about it.

Imagine how far fetched were the Christian crusades.  Do you think people would participate in them if it was not for the myth?

Or a modern religion of "nationalism and patriotism", same thing, people are willing to die for the myth, send their own children to die for the "cause".

But we are getting off topic.
You got drafted then if you didn't fight you got shot for treason ..was religion involved to make people fight? answer no?
Religion as always been about suppressing your own people..
since the time you threw someone in a volcano for the bad weather messing your crops or just to blame someone for any reason
look at African villages they blame one of there own if something goes wrong in the village.
And in life if you have a 100 people live in the village there will always be one who is hated the most and one who is loved the most?
So if something happens the villages kill that person and say it was gods will or there witches.
Nothing to do with another village but your own people?

religion was never so because we wanted to join another clan to capture bigger animals
RELIGION IS THE BLAME GAME ? And lets face it who gets the blame the most the ones closest to you
Because someone from another area was never going to bother you only someone close?









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Did we ever need religion?.
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Definitely.  A common belief in myths was what allowed Homo Sapiens form larger social groups and helped them survive and kill much larger animals.
Strangers were more willing to co-operate with other strangers because they had a common myth and goal in life.

Religion and myths were later codified into laws that governed these bands of (1000-5000 apes).

Religion/Myths were critical in genocide of Neanderthals and other subspecies of our genus. Unfortunately for Neanderthals, who lived in small "family and close friends" bands of 50-100 apes, despite of being physically stronger they were no match against smaller, smarter hordes of our ancestors.

A single Neanderthal could take on 5-10 smart apes, but with 100+ to 1 ratio, they did not stand a chance.

Religion played a key role in our past, whether we agree with it or not.  However, scientific revolution of the last 400 years completely eliminated the need for it.
Every new scientific discovery puts another nail in the coffin of religion.

Today's apes are way smarter than the ones that beat the Neanderthals.  We are slowly becoming Gods of the past.

AI will finish the job, IMHO.


Your wrong nothing to do with religion its because we shared food we joined together..Before we could even write religion was so because of the weather FACT to blame someone for the bad weather?
Its been all about suppression of your own kind.
Nothing to do with invading other people more like keeping your own people from taking what you have or to blame someone for the bad weather


And how did we get the food.  Go to the supermarket?  Sapiens expansion out of Africa and genocide of other hominids is well documented.  google it.

Read a book or two.  

Try this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Sapiens-Humankind-Yuval-Noah-Harari/dp/0062316095/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455315855&sr=8-1&keywords=brief+history+of+human


Well was nothing to do with joining another group..
you fed your family only at one stage ..so why was religion about joining together to capture bigger animals SO YOU READ SOME BOOKS

The same way Muslims in UK or Indonesia "feel the pain" of the Palestinians and want to kill the Jews.  Same idea.  They share the same myth and are willing to co-operate.  Without that myth they would never even think twice about it.

Imagine how far fetched were the Christian crusades.  Do you think people would participate in them if it was not for the myth?

Or a modern religion of "nationalism and patriotism", same thing, people are willing to die for the myth, send their own children to die for the "cause".

But we are getting off topic.
I will say we both agree religion is olden day thinking yes?
but what i don't agree on is religion was to make people to join together to capture bigger animals or to go to war
Its been used as an excuse in some past wars but not all wars?

Look at this war ITS MUSLIM AGAINST MUSLIM ? there own people?
RELIGION IS DESIGNED TO SUPPRESS YOUR OWN PEOPLE.

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February 12, 2016, 11:36:55 PM
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And after saying all this i don't thing i be travelling to SAUDI ARABIA any time soon Cheesy Cheesy
Not that i want to go there anyway Grin
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Also i wonder if all this madness is to lower the population Grin
You never know with our leaders.Just a thought no proof of fact
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....The same way Muslims in UK or Indonesia "feel the pain" of the Palestinians and want to kill the Jews.  Same idea.  They share the same myth and are willing to co-operate.  Without that myth they would never even think twice about it.

Imagine how far fetched were the Christian crusades.  Do you think people would participate in them if it was not for the myth?

Or a modern religion of "nationalism and patriotism", same thing, people are willing to die for the myth, send their own children to die for the "cause".

But we are getting off topic.
If Islam was peace, how come it cannot be at peace with Jews and with Israel?

Even if it cannot be at peace with Jews, why the constant drum roll to "kill them all?"

Why the constant advocacy of genicide?

How can that be reconciled with "Islam is peace?"

Is it possible for a Muslim to have these ideas in his mind at the same time, and believe them both -

"Kill the Evil Jews!"
"Islam is Peace!"

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You got drafted then if you didn't fight you got shot for treason ..was religion involved to make people fight? answer no?
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You completely misunderstood.  I meant people are willing to send their own children to die and die themselves VOLUNTARILY for a common myth.  If you don't believe me, ask Palestinian mothers who send their own children to die in suicide attacks and are proud of it. Or ask some Americans why they are sending their 18 yr olds to die in Iraq.  US does not have a draft right now.  Many of these kids are killed or maimed because they bought into the patriotism myth.

religion was never so because we wanted to join another clan to capture bigger animals
RELIGION IS THE BLAME GAME ? And lets face it who gets the blame the most the ones closest to you
Because someone from another area was never going to bother you only someone close?

I disagree.  For example if you look how Muslims come out to defend their religion (a common goal) regardless of the validity of the criticisms.  They come out to support "their brothers and sisters".  Despite of the fact that the leader of their religion was a pedophile as documented in their own scripture.  If you tell me that the same people would give a flying puck about terrorists and rapists if it wasn't for their delusion (aka religion), then I have the Brooklyn bridge for sale.

The religions first unite people then control what they think and do.

If you and few other, smarter apes got together and started thinking: "well guys we cannot chase that Mastodon, we cannot capture it by ourselves, how about we talk to these guys on the other side of the river or a mountain, but how can we convince them it is a good idea?  Think, think....Oh I know, how about we tell them the bright light in the sky told us and we are just relying the message, yeah, that is right, I think I heard the light talking to me too....etc  Ok, we'll tell them that if they don't help us, they will have no light on their side of the river.  They went, the other guys co-operated, the myth was born.  If they did not co-operate, they've made an example out of them, same outcome, the myth was born because some other guys behind the mountains heard about the plague of the light circle. etc., etc."



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