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Yes, Quran orders fighting as Jihaad but tis order is curent if an enemy attacks you or your brother

What is the penalty for leaving Islam?

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March 18, 2016, 06:25:13 PM
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The writings of the holy books of Islam are not writings of a religion of peace.

Most people want peace. That's why the people of Islam are going against their holy books and attempting to make peace.

How long will it take before the transformation is complete, and the violence in the holy writings be completely edited out? Or will the people simply form a different religion, even if they keep the name "Islam." After all, that's essentially what they are doing already.

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From what you wrote i understand that you don't know anything about islam.
Or please tell us what do you know?

From http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

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And there is a whole lot more listed at the site.

The people don't want to be violent. The writings tell them to be violent.

Live in fear, because if you aren't a good enough Muslim, your fellow Muslims might think that you are backsliding, and execute you. And you never know which ones of the group might do it.

Islam is propagated and exists through formal violence or the threat of violence... except when the people barely think about the holy writings of Islam.

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You stupid made copy past partly verses from a website you think that you will persuade people?
What's the matter? Having trouble realizing what Islam really is?

I don't care what people want to think. People believe anything that they want no matter what the facts are.


Yes, Quran orders fighting as Jihaad but tis order is curent if an enemy attacks you or your brother

You better look better. Islam attacks anyone who will not convert. It is true that the more peaceful Muslims give people of other religions a long time to convert, but they are not supposed to do that.

If you are a faithful Muslim, you are ordered to convert other people to Islam. If they won't convert, you are ordered to kill them. If any Muslim converts to something else, you are ordered to kill him.

The only peace that exists for Muslims is peace towards other faithful Muslims.

Your clerics that tell you all that BS that Islam is peaceful, are doing it so that the religion will not fail. They are lying if they tell you that the holy writings tell you to be peaceful to people of other religions, and let them go on not becoming Muslim.

Holy writings of Islam say to kill those who do not become Muslim.

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March 18, 2016, 07:44:10 PM
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Yes, Quran orders fighting as Jihaad but tis order is curent if an enemy attacks you or your brother

What is the penalty for leaving Islam?



Funny how, after their attempts at Takiyya fail at convincing anyone, and they are asked simple questions like this, they don't like to answer them.

More honesty would be nice.
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March 18, 2016, 10:28:54 PM
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All religions seem to have these extreme duality. I'm sure the humans who are naturally peaceful will only see the peaceful side of Islam where as people who are more violent in nature will take to the violent aspects.
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All religions seem to have these extreme duality. I'm sure the humans who are naturally peaceful will only see the peaceful side of Islam where as people who are more violent in nature will take to the violent aspects.

This question asked a couple posts above by af_newbie...

Quote from: magnific61 on Today at 12:59:30 PM
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Yes, Quran orders fighting as Jihaad but tis order is curent if an enemy attacks you or your brother

What is the penalty for leaving Islam?

...does seem to show the lie in your assertion of moral equivalence, doesn't it?
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Yes, Quran orders fighting as Jihaad but tis order is curent if an enemy attacks you or your brother

What is the penalty for leaving Islam?


Have you left Islam? You're still alive
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March 18, 2016, 11:38:53 PM
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Yes, Quran orders fighting as Jihaad but tis order is curent if an enemy attacks you or your brother

What is the penalty for leaving Islam?


Have you left Islam? You're still alive
I have never been a member of Islam.  You well understand the context of the question, it refers to a member of your Islam making a conscious decision to leave Islam.

Here is a great example of the "Religion of Peace."

http://www.dawn.com/news/1233374
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March 19, 2016, 05:19:09 AM
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18,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years.  (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).  So this means islam is not a religion of peace.
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March 19, 2016, 09:52:57 AM
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18,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years.  (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).  So this means islam is not a religion of peace.

Ever heard of the Crusades? I am a Catholic and crusades is also called "the fight for the holy lands".Around 5,000,000 in the first 4 crusades, with another 1,000,000 in the Albigensian Crusade.
Then to weed out those nasty people that were left, there was The Holy Office to deal with, which accounted for around another 140,000. Mostly tortured first before suffering some disgusting fate that they dreamed up.
Maybe 200,000 witches, then you can add in the Wars of Religion in Europe that was about 3,400,000, The 30 Years War, 40% of Germany annihilated plus 1000`s of others.
Then there was the persecution of the Jews, about 450,000 up to the end of the 17th century and so on.

So many wars other wars for religion. So let's not be biased.
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18,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years.  (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).  So this means islam is not a religion of peace.

Ever heard of the Crusades? I am a Catholic and crusades is also called "the fight for the holy lands".Around 5,000,000 in the first 4 crusades, with another 1,000,000 in the Albigensian Crusade.
Then to weed out those nasty people that were left, there was The Holy Office to deal with, which accounted for around another 140,000. Mostly tortured first before suffering some disgusting fate that they dreamed up.
Maybe 200,000 witches, then you can add in the Wars of Religion in Europe that was about 3,400,000, The 30 Years War, 40% of Germany annihilated plus 1000`s of others.
Then there was the persecution of the Jews, about 450,000 up to the end of the 17th century and so on.

So many wars other wars for religion. So let's not be biased.
So "we're no better because we did the same kinds of horrible things a thousand years ago as they do today?"

This does not even rise to the level of a decent argument.  Because today is today, and that is what we are concerned about.
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March 19, 2016, 01:00:41 PM
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Ever heard of the Crusades? I am a Catholic and crusades is also called "the fight for the holy lands".Around 5,000,000 in the first 4 crusades, with another 1,000,000 in the Albigensian Crusade.
Then to weed out those nasty people that were left, there was The Holy Office to deal with, which accounted for around another 140,000. Mostly tortured first before suffering some disgusting fate that they dreamed up.
Maybe 200,000 witches, then you can add in the Wars of Religion in Europe that was about 3,400,000, The 30 Years War, 40% of Germany annihilated plus 1000`s of others.
Then there was the persecution of the Jews, about 450,000 up to the end of the 17th century and so on.

So many wars other wars for religion. So let's not be biased.

Your questions are self-explanatory. Humans evolve. We were violent 500 years ago. But we have become civilized now. That is exactly why you need to scroll back to the 13th and 14th centuries to find evidences for genocides and massacres perpetrated in the name of the other religions. The other religions have evolved. But Islam is still in the 13th century.

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March 19, 2016, 04:09:28 PM
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This is the debate topic.  Is Islam a Religion of Peace?  I am not starting a poll, because I want the matter determined by clear logic, not by numbers.  And not by quotes of old books. 

Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee8f8nWVWZA
i believe all religions are belong to peace,have a hope to spread peace to all around the world,but sometime part of them use wrong way to make peacness,and its hurt for us.

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March 19, 2016, 04:13:34 PM
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This is the debate topic.  Is Islam a Religion of Peace?  I am not starting a poll, because I want the matter determined by clear logic, not by numbers.  And not by quotes of old books.  

Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee8f8nWVWZA
i believe all religions are belong to peace,have a hope to spread peace to all around the world,but sometime part of them use wrong way to make peacness,and its hurt for us.

You know, I think that's valid.

If the Muslims posting to this thread would just start out and say something like...

"Yes, we Muslims have big problems.."

I could sympathize with them.  I mean, I am fine with "The USA has big problems." so forth and so on.

But all this denial, lying and stuff gets tedious.  Here are examples.

"Islam is perfect."
"They (murderers, rapists, ISIS, Al Queda, Allah Akbars, on and on ad nauseum) ARE NOT ISLAM!
"They (as above) are Jews in disguise!"
"The Prophet (PBUH) was perfect!"

I'm also tired of all the Takiyya.  A little bit of humility and honesty would truly help.
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March 20, 2016, 02:09:43 AM
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Simple answer to the thread title: No. No. NO.

Seriously it is the most dangerous religion I have ever seen.

I hate the argument that a handful of people (referring to radicals) don't represent the religion. Wrong. It's the opposite. Just because a few people, even if it's a majority, believe that Islam is a religion of peace, and practice it peacefully, that doesn't make it peaceful. I know many people who are Muslim and talk to them almost every day when going to work. They're amazing people but they do not represent the entire religion.

Heard about The Rape of Europe? I know you didn't want numbers, so I want bring any into this, but rather I'll be general. German chancellor Angela Merkel has been bringing absurd amounts of "refugees" into Germany. Ever since she did just this, there have been increased murders, rapes, etc. Major crimes being committed. All by "refugees" who are secretly Muslim/Islam and are practicing their faith.

Practicing their faith, you might ask. Of course! Islam is a religion that turns women into tools and doesn't respect them. It makes sure that the women cannot do anything without a man otherwise she will be hurt.

By the way, if you dare do anything while being young that is against your religion (Islam) without understanding it (in Christianity I am referring to sinning) you will be hurt. That's right, your leader will hurt you, send you to eternal damnation for doing something you didn't understand what you were supposed to do - or what was right.

Christianity, what feminists in particular but usually left wing crazies call a dangerous religion, is about respecting a woman. And, the most noteworthy point about the religion, it respects everyone. Killing anyone is a sin. In Islam, you must kill people in the name of "Allah". How peaceful is that? No that much. You do not kill anyone in the name of God, and if you do you will have commit a sin. In Christianity, you are always given a second chance to fix your problems. There have been people who murdered someone, in the Bible, and was still forgiven for it. Of course, you must prove you are A BETTER PERSON (difference between Christians and Muslims) and you will be punished but, in the end, you can still be forgiven.

It's not just Christianity, some other religions are peaceful too, but I talk about this because everyone always assumes us conservatives are Christians and say that we all hate Islam and that OUR religion is dangerous. Well, guess what, in Christianity you are NOT required to kill or rape someone. You need to believe in God and follow his path, respecting everyone, to get to heaven.

So, in the end, no. Islam is NO religion of peace. I have many Muslim friends who ARE peaceful but you have to admit that just because they practice the faith in a peaceful way does not mean that the religion itself is not dangerous. It is dangerous and we must protect ourselves.

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Simple answer to the thread title: No. No. NO.

Seriously it is the most dangerous religion I have ever seen.

I hate the argument that a handful of people (referring to radicals) don't represent the religion. Wrong. It's the opposite. Just because a few people, even if it's a majority, believe that Islam is a religion of peace, and practice it peacefully, that doesn't make it peaceful. I know many people who are Muslim and talk to them almost every day when going to work. They're amazing people but they do not represent the entire religion.

Heard about The Rape of Europe? I know you didn't want numbers, so I want bring any into this, but rather I'll be general. German chancellor Angela Merkel has been bringing absurd amounts of "refugees" into Germany. Ever since she did just this, there have been increased murders, rapes, etc. Major crimes being committed. All by "refugees" who are secretly Muslim/Islam and are practicing their faith.

Practicing their faith, you might ask. Of course! Islam is a religion that turns women into tools and doesn't respect them. It makes sure that the women cannot do anything without a man otherwise she will be hurt.

By the way, if you dare do anything while being young that is against your religion (Islam) without understanding it (in Christianity I am referring to sinning) you will be hurt. That's right, your leader will hurt you, send you to eternal damnation for doing something you didn't understand what you were supposed to do - or what was right.

Christianity, what feminists in particular but usually left wing crazies call a dangerous religion, is about respecting a woman. And, the most noteworthy point about the religion, it respects everyone. Killing anyone is a sin. In Islam, you must kill people in the name of "Allah". How peaceful is that? No that much. You do not kill anyone in the name of God, and if you do you will have commit a sin. In Christianity, you are always given a second chance to fix your problems. There have been people who murdered someone, in the Bible, and was still forgiven for it. Of course, you must prove you are A BETTER PERSON (difference between Christians and Muslims) and you will be punished but, in the end, you can still be forgiven.

It's not just Christianity, some other religions are peaceful too, but I talk about this because everyone always assumes us conservatives are Christians and say that we all hate Islam and that OUR religion is dangerous. Well, guess what, in Christianity you are NOT required to kill or rape someone. You need to believe in God and follow his path, respecting everyone, to get to heaven.

So, in the end, no. Islam is NO religion of peace. I have many Muslim friends who ARE peaceful but you have to admit that just because they practice the faith in a peaceful way does not mean that the religion itself is not dangerous. It is dangerous and we must protect ourselves.
Same here.  I do not know personally any Muslims who would lie to me, or even exaggerate about their religion.  Although they may be silent about it, if I ask question I will get truthful answer.

Apparently not on this forum.
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March 22, 2016, 09:59:32 AM
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If Islam was a religion of peace you could criticize it without fear of getting hurt.
Maybe some people, somewhere think that it is a religion of peace, I personally think that the only religion of peace is Buddhism, all the other religions can be trouble.

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Is Islam a religion of peace?
There is absolutely nothing peaceful about Islam. On the contrary, Islam encourages violence. Virtually every Muslim loses his mind and tries to hurt or threaten to hurt others or atleast feel like hu...

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March 22, 2016, 02:12:50 PM
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This is the debate topic.  Is Islam a Religion of Peace?  I am not starting a poll, because I want the matter determined by clear logic, not by numbers.  And not by quotes of old books. 

Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee8f8nWVWZA


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March 22, 2016, 02:54:43 PM
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Yes, Islam is the religion of Peace. Islam DOES NOT hate people at all, of any kind. Islam likes peace & harmony. Islam likes equality.

Anyone who claims others life by saying that it's an order of Islam, they are idiots. They are just trying to blacken the name of Islam, nothing else. Our beloved Prophet, our beloved Holy Quran, all taught us to keep friendship in the world.

Even Quran itself believes in Bible, but at the same time it tells us that it's not in it's true condition in which God gave it to Jesus Christ. The teachings of Quran and Bible match a lot, if you don't believe me, go and read both.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_and_Quranic_narratives

According to Quran:

"Your way is yours, and my way is mine"

"For you your religion, for me my religion"


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March 22, 2016, 03:19:25 PM
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My view on all things is: don't listen to what they say, watch what they do. I will leave it at that.

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March 22, 2016, 04:04:37 PM
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Yes, Islam is the religion of Peace. Islam DOES NOT hate people at all, of any kind. Islam likes peace & harmony. Islam likes equality.
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Sort of like the peace our US President Nobel Peace Prize Obama practices?

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