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February 13, 2016, 05:38:36 PM
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I have tried to figure this out but I can not. I was given negative trust unfairly for no reason by a user that has topics about him being an abuser. I started a loan thread offered gold as collateral , yet Im given negative trust saying i asked for a loan with NO collateral which is totally wrong here is the reference https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1361585.0 . if you read you can see I obviously did, and yes I am a new account but you have to start somewhere so its not a throwaway account but it is new . and i never had a previous account. I am verified at other lending sites including name address employment wages and everything so this is a load of BS in my opinion people can just throw negative things on my reputation for no reason.
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February 13, 2016, 05:54:29 PM
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Welcome to the bitcointalk world Smiley
You will get to know Vod soon. He is one of the scambusters and gives feedback to whoever he sees as suspicious. Try contacting him directly to get your trust removed.
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February 13, 2016, 05:55:36 PM
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Welcome to the bitcointalk world Smiley
You will get to know Vod soon. He is one of the scambusters and gives feedback to whoever he sees as suspicious. Try contacting him directly to get your trust removed.
And being butthurt about it, and writing hateful comments won't get your rating removed. @OP, just so you know.
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February 13, 2016, 05:57:34 PM
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I have tried to figure this out but I can not. I was given negative trust unfairly for no reason by a user that has topics about him being an abuser. I started a loan thread offered gold as collateral , yet Im given negative trust saying i asked for a loan with NO collateral which is totally wrong here is the reference https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1361585.0 . if you read you can see I obviously did, and yes I am a new account but you have to start somewhere so its not a throwaway account but it is new . and i never had a previous account. I am verified at other lending sites including name address employment wages and everything so this is a load of BS in my opinion people can just throw negative things on my reputation for no reason.

As you probably know, there is no forum mechanism for removing negative trust under nearly any circumstances.
Your only hope is to ask Vod, good luck with that.
You were naive, a little bit of research would have avoided you pressing the wrong buttons.

Im open to putting up small amount of collateral toward this loan depending on what the lender wants, most likely would be physical items such as gold or diaond jewelry. Need the loan fast , soif someone is willing to take that leap of faith and give me a chance please contact me asap.

This implies two things
1) bolded bit: had you said "0.6 BTC of gold valued at instant sale price" it would have been ok, but you didn't and 'towards' implies less than 0.5BTC worth
2) italicised bit For physical goods to be held as collateral, they would need to be shipped to an agreeable escrow. Use of 'fast' and 'faith' implies you want the 0.5 before this has been done.

You have no choice really if you want to continue on BCT without red ink, open another account.

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February 13, 2016, 06:01:22 PM
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Well I sent him a message , but that is absurd to ruin my reputation before it gets started. I may have posted incorrectly or did something procedurely wrong. But I did not ask for any loan with no collateral. I oiffered gold , it states it in the title of my topic. Thats just ridiculous to be able to throw salt for absolutely no reason, and obviously did not read my title , post or the rest of the posts in my thread where collateral and what type was discussed throughout. In another users postingI asked what escrow services could be used, I asked would the escrow service test gold to see make sure the gold was real to ensure all parties involved were comfortable . Im not out to scam anyone, and I made it clear that was the things i offered to back my loan so there would not be any confusion.
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February 13, 2016, 06:04:01 PM
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Well I sent him a message , but that is absurd to ruin my reputation before it gets started. I may have posted incorrectly or did something procedurely wrong. But I did not ask for any loan with no collateral. I oiffered gold , it states it in the title of my topic. Thats just ridiculous to be able to throw salt for absolutely no reason, and obviously did not read my title , post or the rest of the posts in my thread where collateral and what type was discussed throughout. In another users postingI asked what escrow services could be used, I asked would the escrow service test gold to see make sure the gold was real to ensure all parties involved were comfortable . Im not out to scam anyone, and I made it clear that was the things i offered to back my loan so there would not be any confusion.


It's not ridiculous ... it's only how it works here Wink.
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February 13, 2016, 06:09:59 PM
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the rest of the posts in my thread where collateral and what type was discussed throughout. In another users postingI asked what escrow services could be used, I asked would the escrow service test gold to see make sure the gold was real to ensure all parties involved were comfortable .

I don't see any of that in the thread that you linked.
It's done, move on.

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February 13, 2016, 06:12:15 PM
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I have tried to figure this out but I can not. I was given negative trust unfairly for no reason by a user that has topics about him being an abuser. I started a loan thread offered gold as collateral , yet Im given negative trust saying i asked for a loan with NO collateral which is totally wrong here is the reference https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1361585.0 . if you read you can see I obviously did, and yes I am a new account but you have to start somewhere so its not a throwaway account but it is new . and i never had a previous account. I am verified at other lending sites including name address employment wages and everything so this is a load of BS in my opinion people can just throw negative things on my reputation for no reason.

As you probably know, there is no forum mechanism for removing negative trust under nearly any circumstances.
Your only hope is to ask Vod, good luck with that.
You were naive, a little bit of research would have avoided you pressing the wrong buttons.

Im open to putting up small amount of collateral toward this loan depending on what the lender wants, most likely would be physical items such as gold or diaond jewelry. Need the loan fast , soif someone is willing to take that leap of faith and give me a chance please contact me asap.

This implies two things
1) bolded bit: had you said "0.6 BTC of gold valued at instant sale price" it would have been ok, but you didn't and 'towards' implies less than 0.5BTC worth
2) italicised bit For physical goods to be held as collateral, they would need to be shipped to an agreeable escrow. Use of 'fast' and 'faith' implies you want the 0.5 before this has been done.

You have no choice really if you want to continue on BCT without red ink, open another account.

Opening a second acount would be shady imo. And I would think they keep a list of IPs for banning and double accounts etc... and the things your giving as reasoning on what I said are assuming things, and if there where questions about what I meant I would think someone could ask before jumping the gun and giving me negative feedback.  And okay I asked for .5 BTC so I =said small amount of collateral , Im not gonna put up 1k worth of gold for basically 190$ loan. and terms of escrow and how much gold I would put up should be discussed between potential lender and myself. When i replied to another users loan posting  I asked all above stated questions here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1348286.msg13861019#msg13861019 . So maybe research on people should be done before trying to ruin them because your a superhero scambuster in your own mind. And i wasnt given negative trust for not enough collateral or saying small amount or not mentioning escrow. It was given for offering NO COLLATERAL which is absolutely wrong 100% no doubts about it. There shouldnt be any argument to try and justify that it is.
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February 13, 2016, 06:18:25 PM
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Welcome to the bitcointalk world Smiley
You will get to know Vod soon. He is one of the scambusters and gives feedback to whoever he sees as suspicious. Try contacting him directly to get your trust removed.
And being butthurt about it, and writing hateful comments won't get your rating removed. @OP, just so you know.


Im not being butthurt about anything, simply trying to deend myself from false BS . I didnt make anything up I didnt lie I didnt make any personal comments toward him , hell I didnt even say his name, I am simply asking a question because I couldnt find the answer. Why come in here to post negative things about a subject has nothing to do with you. I didnt ask for judgments about how people think im so hurt . I asked was there an appeal or something like that.
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February 13, 2016, 06:19:14 PM
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as i know, if you get negative trust 100% unfounded, you can make it delete using moderators, but the reason why you get negative trust isnot questionable.  according to the  Reference, i am not sure you were  sincere or were going to scam, so you have only one chance, ask sender of negative trust delete it

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February 13, 2016, 07:22:57 PM
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You can have multiple accounts without issues unless you scam/spam. You should have read around about the rules before heading straight to the lending boards.
Vod is the only one that can remove the Negative, Trust is not moderated unless it's severe spam.

When the subject of buying BTC with Paypal comes up, I often remember this: 

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

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February 13, 2016, 09:33:51 PM
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as i know, if you get negative trust 100% unfounded, you can make it delete using moderators, but the reason why you get negative trust isnot questionable.  according to the  Reference, i am not sure you were  sincere or were going to scam, so you have only one chance, ask sender of negative trust delete it

Well the reason of the negative trust was " asked for loan with NO collateral" when I clearly did offer some. So I believe that is questionable. And what a faulty system when anything can be said about a person without any proper reason. I have no problems accepting anything that is due but here it was wrong .
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February 13, 2016, 11:15:55 PM
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as i know, if you get negative trust 100% unfounded, you can make it delete using moderators, but the reason why you get negative trust isnot questionable.  according to the  Reference, i am not sure you were  sincere or were going to scam, so you have only one chance, ask sender of negative trust delete it

No, they won't remove feedback unless it's complete spam, right or wrong. Look at Vod's Trust.

as i know, if you get negative trust 100% unfounded, you can make it delete using moderators, but the reason why you get negative trust isnot questionable.  according to the  Reference, i am not sure you were  sincere or were going to scam, so you have only one chance, ask sender of negative trust delete it

Well the reason of the negative trust was " asked for loan with NO collateral" when I clearly did offer some. So I believe that is questionable. And what a faulty system when anything can be said about a person without any proper reason. I have no problems accepting anything that is due but here it was wrong .

I have not checked but if your collateral was not acceptable, (and there is a list of accepted), that's why you got the Negative. Instead of claiming faulty system and other such excuses, try to find out exactly why your collateral wasn't acceptable.

When the subject of buying BTC with Paypal comes up, I often remember this: 

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

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February 13, 2016, 11:20:10 PM
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as i know, if you get negative trust 100% unfounded, you can make it delete using moderators, but the reason why you get negative trust isnot questionable.  according to the  Reference, i am not sure you were  sincere or were going to scam, so you have only one chance, ask sender of negative trust delete it

No, they won't remove feedback unless it's complete spam, right or wrong. Look at Vod's Trust.

as i know, if you get negative trust 100% unfounded, you can make it delete using moderators, but the reason why you get negative trust isnot questionable.  according to the  Reference, i am not sure you were  sincere or were going to scam, so you have only one chance, ask sender of negative trust delete it

Well the reason of the negative trust was " asked for loan with NO collateral" when I clearly did offer some. So I believe that is questionable. And what a faulty system when anything can be said about a person without any proper reason. I have no problems accepting anything that is due but here it was wrong .

I have not checked but if your collateral was not acceptable, (and there is a list of accepted), that's why you got the Negative. Instead of claiming faulty system and other such excuses, try to find out exactly why your collateral wasn't acceptable.
Usually for a digital loan your need to offer digital collateral. Most lenders won't bother with shipping as it is a huge hassle with fees, e.t.c.
Gold would usually only work if you lived near each other and could meet up.
The only way you can appeal your trust is by contacting Vod, though he probably won't delete it.

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February 14, 2016, 04:41:32 AM
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OP just wait for Vod's reply to your message.  Sometimes he removes feedback if you can go 30 days or whatever here as a member without exhibiting any more scammy behavior.  If not, then you have two choices:  1) Suck it up and move on, or 2)  Create a new account. 

Whatever the outcome of the above, you need to develop a thicker skin.  This will help you not only on this forum but in life.  It looks juvenile (and I said so in that thread on Vod) when you just rage against these perceived outrages against yourself without stepping back and taking a look at what you might have done wrong.

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February 14, 2016, 07:46:28 AM
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I just want to do what you said , you say I should prove it I do, I also used your post as an example of yes I did offer collateral, and since I defend myself prove what you said i should , now I am a juvenile. this is a living fallacy. Idk Im just trying to let other members see that I told the truth, I dont lie and I dont scam.  His neg trust is absolutely wrong and the juvenile thing is to not just admit and ruin my whole time here before i could even try to become a part of things. And I look like an ass because I want to let the truth be seen . Oh well, keep slapping all your newbs and it will never grow and become stagnent. its a greek club and I will respectfully bow out. Thats what is obviously wanted, so thank you and goodnight.
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February 14, 2016, 08:01:20 AM
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I just want to do what you said , you say I should prove it I do, I also used your post as an example of yes I did offer collateral,

Did you? From your post it is not clear that you did, so Vod did what Vod does and issued a warning to the community.

and since I defend myself prove what you said i should , now I am a juvenile. this is a living fallacy.

No, its an opinion and I agree 25% collateral that is not in the hands of the lender is no collateral at all.

Idk Im just trying to let other members see that I told the truth, I dont lie and I dont scam.  His neg trust is absolutely wrong and the juvenile thing is to not just admit and ruin my whole time here before i could even try to become a part of things.

Talk to Vod, send them a PM that you now understand what you did wrong and they will review your account and the trust after 30 days (I think those are still the terms).

And I look like an ass because I want to let the truth be seen . Oh well, keep slapping all your newbs and it will never grow and become stagnent. its a greek club and I will respectfully bow out. Thats what is obviously wanted, so thank you and goodnight.

With that attitude you might as well do, because the ways this community acts has a reason. The reason is old scammers disguised as newbies come here every hour of every day and try to scam other newbies out of their coins. If you want to get accepted here you have to start to understand how the community works and not blame it for ways it has developed over time you dont understand yet.
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February 14, 2016, 08:16:31 AM
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I appreciate your input, and Im sure there has been a boatload of scams. All I am saying is the reasoning behind the negative trust was 100% wrong. if i do sometthing wrong i will be the first to admit it, but when Im unfairly shat upon because Im new , Im going to at least be heard, and Im kissing no ass of the person who pulled the shyte in the first place, and justifying wrong doing by saying thats just the way it is , is probably worse than the thing that was done. If i seemed scammish cool , dog me question me google me whatever but at least check it out and dont lie bout your reasons. And maybe have the respect to answer a man when he calls BS on you. I didnt even get an explanation , its a guy or whatever just picking on newbs .  Now Im probably a crybaby or something, but when Im spoken to i like to explain myself. Thanks for the pep talk I really appreciate it, Im probably not be returning here , i have a bad taste from this. Although some people have been pretty cool, but its not my style to get crucified for being confused. TY again.
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February 14, 2016, 06:44:31 PM
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as far as i see only vod gave a -ve. and as far as i know he reviews his ratings (at least some) after 30 days. if you act like like a good boy he might remove it.

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I appreciate your input, and Im sure there has been a boatload of scams. All I am saying is the reasoning behind the negative trust was 100% wrong. if i do sometthing wrong i will be the first to admit it, but when Im unfairly shat upon because Im new , Im going to at least be heard, and Im kissing no ass of the person who pulled the shyte in the first place, and justifying wrong doing by saying thats just the way it is , is probably worse than the thing that was done. If i seemed scammish cool , dog me question me google me whatever but at least check it out and dont lie bout your reasons. And maybe have the respect to answer a man when he calls BS on you. I didnt even get an explanation , its a guy or whatever just picking on newbs .  Now Im probably a crybaby or something, but when Im spoken to i like to explain myself. Thanks for the pep talk I really appreciate it, Im probably not be returning here , i have a bad taste from this. Although some people have been pretty cool, but its not my style to get crucified for being confused. TY again.
Jesus Christ, you whine like a little 6 year old girl.  You're raging against all of these epic injustices that have been perpetrated against you and which have turned Earth on its axis...when you got neg trust from one person on an internet forum.  It's a dangerous world, wear a helmet.

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