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March 13, 2017, 11:54:08 AM
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Follow up: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1819622.160

Update: the suggestion of putting the 38BTC in trusted escrow while alex "prepares for legal action" was quickly denied. It's obvious that alex has stolen the 38BTC and is using this legal bullshit to keep the 38BTC in his hands for longer. I am now banned from chatting on his site and performing any other actions...but surprisingly, still allowed to deposit and gamble (hmm wonder why)
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What happened:: Alex (BitDice Casino Owner) has confiscated 38BTC (Around $45k USD at the time) from me over events that occurred in Early 2015 (over 2 years ago) and refuses to release them.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=238641

Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1819622
Amount Scammed: 38BTC (~$45k USD at the time)
Payment Method: Bitcoin
Proof of Payment: N/A
PM/Chat Logs: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1819622
Additional Notes: Alex is a thief, I am suggesting the funds be put in an escrow (preferrably dooglus) while he carries on with his legal bullshit.


Issue: Alex has locked 38BTC in my BitDice account, over events that occurred in 2015. Despite these events barely effecting alex or his casino, and despite playing on his casino since its version 4 launch, Alex has decided to lock my account at its near-peak balance of 38BTC.
Dear community we have a situation and I'm kindly asking your help with it.

About a year ago user known on BCT as dzeros (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1046791.0) sent a phishing link and got access to our BCT account. He then tried to extort money to return it or release our PMs and of course he tried to sign in under my account on BitDice, but failed as the password for BCT was unique. He has left some trash posts and cleaned PMs, then we regained access without paying anything for it, thanks to Quickseller.

Today we figured out that current user blackjack on the new version of BitDice is dzeros, he was blocked from cashouts with the balance of ~38BTC. He confirmed that it was him. So this one is clear.

What's your opinion on how we should proceed with those funds (38BTC). We can confiscate them (and add them to investors bankroll, I do not need his money) as he clearly broke our rules and we are able to do this. However considering that we didn't lose any money to him that's a bit harsh, still, I'm not sure whether we should release or confiscate it as I have concerns about how legit those funds are.

Regards,
Alex.

"My Side" of the story: Note that we are living in 2017, and my balance is being locked over events in 2015, which have nothing to do with Alex
Edit March 10 9:32am Server Time: I can no longer login to my account via desktop, though strangely I still can via mobile. My credentials show as "non existent". I'm assuming alex has disabled login or deleted my account.

Posting as alias's: blackjack/dzeros

I am not denying that I am dzeros, I have been playing on bitdice since it's reopening with the assumption that alex knew this in the first place. I have wagered over 350BTC with the site since it's new opening of Version 4, with no issues cashing out or depositing, until now with my peak balance being 38BTC~. Though, I accept alex's decision and I am calling the community to read this post carefully and make a fair decision. I am not hear to cause trouble, I am here to straighten out issues that I have caused in the past due to my own greed. Below is my shortened explanation of the situation.

Around 2-4 years ago in the periods of 2013-2015 myself (and an anonymous accomplice) made a series of investor-based games in which had ran in the structure of HYIP sites. For all of you who do not know what HYIPs are:
"A high-yield investment program (HYIP) is a type of Ponzi scheme, an investment scheme that promises unsustainably high return on investment by paying previous investors with the money invested by new investors. Most of these schemes work from anonymous offshore bases which make them hard to track down."

I want to make it very clear that all of these sites stated in the terms of services that returns were never guaranteed and that loss was highly probable though some people (majority) do not read the ToS despite being indicated clearly on these services to read the ToS before proceeding.

The money made from these websites were mostly gambled, @dzeros was an account I used on BitDice that made 80+ BTC from these site winnings. As well as this @dzeros made around 20k clams on Just-Dice during this 2015 period, again from a 1k clam deposit made from these websites. Both occasions, the BTC was lost back to these websites.

After being accused by @Quickseller of apparently "committing a crime" and information being posted publicly after being tricked into sending my information by another bitcointalk user for a bank deal, an investigation was started on this handle + a number of other handles I have used.

2 years later after earning money purely from gambling and offering services on other forums (proof of this is available if needed) I have earned a fair fortune which is now confiscated by @alex.

Alex's account was in fact phished by myself, NO FINANCES NOR USER INFORMATION WAS ACCESSED. I was using the account to post an explanation since all of my posting privileges were disabled at the time by @theymos. The account was recovered and I was unable to post.

I am willing to compensate all those who were involved in my schemes with part of the funds, based on blockchain evidence I have compiled against the accusations posed against me. I do not believe that @alex nor @bitdice should have the funds in their bankroll since they have never faced any financial loss (besides my winnings on their site) but rather given back to those who were naive enough to not read the terms of service stated in the schemes I ran in those years.

The decision is up to the community. I do not believe that donating back to the bitdice bankroll is a fair conclusion, I do believe that partially refunding those who were involved in these schemes is fair, even though the risks were very clearly stated in all sites (I made sure of this).

Again, proof is available to back all of my statements if wanted.


I also want to reiterate that the funds are legitimate gambling/service earnings and I am more than happy to provide evidence of this from any of my clients from other forums.

Alex's "Resolution"(?):
To prevent any speculations, I would like to make a public statement.

We are trying to start a legal case against James Volpe in Australia, consider the fact that some of his actions took place is 2015 it will take some time to gather all required information. I would say a lot of time. Our legal advisers also told me not to disclosed any information which can help James.

BitDice Casino S.L.R. seizes those funds because James broke rules 6 and 19 of BitDice Casino S.L.R. Terms Of Services. We will await AFP resolutions on how we should proceed with those funds, and we would be more than happy to use them to repay his victims.

I can't tell how much time it will take, but I hope we can put him behind the bars, there's enough evidence at least for several felonies. Unfortunately, there's not much I can tell right now, but I will try to keep this community up to date on our progress.

Regards,
Alex.
Or in other words, We will not tell you what we are suing for, and we will hold the funds in our bankroll for as long as we possibly can without anymore reasoning that Terms of Service rules that were broken over 3 months ago, despite the issues were resolved at the time the rules were broken.

My Reply:
Nothing more than an excuse to hold the funds and keep them in your possession.
How about you give them to a trusted party such as Dooglus to hold onto them while you waste your time? I believe you are making this statement in order to hold the 40BTC since someone just won 100BTC from you last night. You are losing money and now you are confiscating big winners such as myself.

Put the BTC into an escrow, preferrably Dooglus, and then I will believe you. I am ready for whatever crap you lay upon me, and have more than sufficient evidence to counter anything you have on me, as well as the fact while I did do some wrong in my young ages which I have offered to compensate for, you still will not allow me to do so. So, I guess that's your own problem.

I will be making a scam accusation in the meantime, as you have stolen my BTC that has nothing to do with my actions in 2015. You are a thief & crook alex. Call me what you want, though at least I did not deceive my users.
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March 13, 2017, 02:44:43 PM
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I think there is already a thread about this bro.

There is already a community consensus that you do not deserve this money, although there is somewhat of a split as to if you should be given the money despite your not deserving it Smiley

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I think there is already a thread about this bro.

There is already a community consensus that you do not deserve this money, although there is somewhat of a split as to if you should be given the money despite your not deserving it Smiley
A split? You mean you and Alex's alts vs real opinions
The majority was in my favour, and even still, alex has chosen to steal my coins
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March 13, 2017, 05:36:19 PM
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A split? You mean you and Alex's alts vs real opinions
The majority was in my favour, and even still, alex has chosen to steal my coins
Who said that the majority in this forum will ever be in favor of a ponzi runner ? You're terribly wrong with that conclusion.Also you can start respecting forum's concerns by closing this thread since one thread is already opened and active discussing the same issue.Don't be butthurt,face consequences like a man.

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March 13, 2017, 05:47:45 PM
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A split? You mean you and Alex's alts vs real opinions
The majority was in my favour, and even still, alex has chosen to steal my coins
Who said that the majority in this forum will ever be in favor of a ponzi runner ? You're terribly wrong with that conclusion.Also you can start respecting forum's concerns by closing this thread since one thread is already opened and active discussing the same issue.Don't be butthurt,face consequences like a man.

You are right but how can Alex become the owner of his funds man ?
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March 13, 2017, 05:52:23 PM
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You are right but how can Alex become the owner of his funds man ?
And why the fuck would you hide behind a newie account to reply to my post ? Man up and post from your real account if you wish to be taken seriously.

Alex isn't the owner of his funds,alex wants community to decide what to do with it as it's technically isn't his money.He stole them from newbie bitcoiners who were hoping to get their bitcoins doubled by the business ran by this fraud.

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March 13, 2017, 06:45:56 PM
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You are right but how can Alex become the owner of his funds man ?
And why the fuck would you hide behind a newie account to reply to my post ? Man up and post from your real account if you wish to be taken seriously.

Alex isn't the owner of his funds,alex wants community to decide what to do with it as it's technically isn't his money.He stole them from newbie bitcoiners who were hoping to get their bitcoins doubled by the business ran by this fraud.
All of my sites stated the risks in the TOS, there was no deception, some people won and some people lost.
Alex on the other hand has downright stolen 38BTC from me
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March 13, 2017, 10:40:53 PM
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Alex on the other hand has downright stolen 38BTC from me
Not really, no. Considering you've done the following:

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About a year ago user known on BCT as dzeros (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1046791.0) sent a phishing link and got access to our BCT account. He then tried to extort money to return it or release our PMs and of course he tried to sign in under my account on BitDice, but failed as the password for BCT was unique.
You do not deserve any kind of money; in fact you deserve to go to prison.

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March 14, 2017, 12:06:23 AM
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Alex on the other hand has downright stolen 38BTC from me
Not really, no. Considering you've done the following:

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About a year ago user known on BCT as dzeros (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1046791.0) sent a phishing link and got access to our BCT account. He then tried to extort money to return it or release our PMs and of course he tried to sign in under my account on BitDice, but failed as the password for BCT was unique.
You do not deserve any kind of money; in fact you deserve to go to prison.
It's not about what you think I do or do not deserve. The 38BTC is mine, earned from legitimate ventures, and in no relation to the accusations laid upon me 2 years ago. If we were living in 2015, I would accept Alex's decision, but we are in 2017 and he is confiscating funds from me over something that happened 2 years ago.
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March 14, 2017, 12:08:36 AM
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It's not about what you think I do or do not deserve. The 38BTC is mine, earned from legitimate ventures, and in no relation to the accusations laid upon me 2 years ago. If we were living in 2015, I would accept Alex's decision, but we are in 2017 and he is confiscating funds from me over something that happened 2 years ago.
It doesn't matter when it happened FYI. Unless you think that *extorting* the service for malicious reasons does not break ToS or any kind of laws. Roll Eyes

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March 14, 2017, 12:12:13 AM
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It's not about what you think I do or do not deserve. The 38BTC is mine, earned from legitimate ventures, and in no relation to the accusations laid upon me 2 years ago. If we were living in 2015, I would accept Alex's decision, but we are in 2017 and he is confiscating funds from me over something that happened 2 years ago.
It doesn't matter when it happened FYI. Unless you think that *extorting* the service for malicious reasons does not break ToS or any kind of laws. Roll Eyes
Then take me to court for those accusations, I have more than enough proof to defend myself from those accusations which mind you,  caused no damage what so ever to alex or his casino, and give me the 38BTC that has absolutely no relation to those accusations.
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Then take me to court for those accusations, I have more than enough proof to defend myself from those accusations which mind you,  caused no damage what so ever to alex or his casino, and give me the 38BTC that has absolutely no relation to those accusations.
Why don't you take him to court, if you are *quite* convinced that you are right? Cheesy

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March 14, 2017, 12:15:57 AM
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Then take me to court for those accusations, I have more than enough proof to defend myself from those accusations which mind you,  caused no damage what so ever to alex or his casino, and give me the 38BTC that has absolutely no relation to those accusations.
Why don't you take him to court, if you are *quite* convinced that you are right? Cheesy
Because how am I supposed to take a Costa Rican company that has many legal loopholes to court? As alex himself stated, you can't. Or else I would.
He has already said he will see me in court and to that I said go for your life, but just because he's taking me to court doesn't mean he can hold that 38BTC that I won fair and square from him and his investors, and keep it in his casino bank. All I ask if the funds to be held in escrow (dooglus) while he prepares himself to prosecute me for "crimes" I committed while I was a minor, in which I've already offered countless times fk compensate for if the funds are released.
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March 14, 2017, 12:18:05 AM
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He has already said he will see me in court and to that I said go for your life, but just because he's taking me to court doesn't mean he can hold that 38BTC that I won fair and square from him and his investors, and keep it in his casino bank.
Wrong. Any online service can take away your funds whenever they want to. Whether that is immoral, illegal or otherwise doesn't change the fact that they effectively can do it.

All I ask if the funds to be held in escrow (dooglus) while he prepares himself to prosecute me for "crimes" I committed while I was a minor, in which I've already offered countless times fk compensate for if the funds are released.
The community seems to agree otherwise (assuming QS's claim is true), therefore your request is pointless.

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March 14, 2017, 12:22:23 AM
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He has already said he will see me in court and to that I said go for your life, but just because he's taking me to court doesn't mean he can hold that 38BTC that I won fair and square from him and his investors, and keep it in his casino bank.
Wrong. Any online service can take away your funds whenever they want to. Whether that is immoral, illegal or otherwise doesn't change the fact that they effectively can do it.

All I ask if the funds to be held in escrow (dooglus) while he prepares himself to prosecute me for "crimes" I committed while I was a minor, in which I've already offered countless times fk compensate for if the funds are released.
The community seems to agree otherwise (assuming QS's claim is true), therefore your request is pointless.
If QS's claims were true I would have been in jail 2 years ago when my dox was posted. QS's claims as he states himself are no more than guesstimating and still does not factor in that what I operated were investor games that stated the risks very clearly both where they were promoted and in their respective terms of service.

As for the community, you mean alex and Quickseller sock puppets? There are many reputable parties who agree or somewhat agree alex does not deserve the keep those funds as I won them fairly from him and bis investors, I don't see why putting it in escrow is such a big ask, if his intentions weren't to steal and cheat to get the funds back into his pocket.
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He has already said he will see me in court and to that I said go for your life, but just because he's taking me to court doesn't mean he can hold that 38BTC that I won fair and square from him and his investors, and keep it in his casino bank.
Wrong. Any online service can take away your funds whenever they want to. Whether that is immoral, illegal or otherwise doesn't change the fact that they effectively can do it.

All I ask if the funds to be held in escrow (dooglus) while he prepares himself to prosecute me for "crimes" I committed while I was a minor, in which I've already offered countless times fk compensate for if the funds are released.
The community seems to agree otherwise (assuming QS's claim is true), therefore your request is pointless.
If QS's claims were true I would have been in jail 2 years ago when my dox was posted. QS's claims as he states himself are no more than guesstimating and still does not factor in that what I operated were investor games that stated the risks very clearly both where they were promoted and in their respective terms of service.
Someone would have to call the police on you, and present evidence to the police in order for you to get arrested. I am guessing this did not happen. I asked theymos to recover/undelete your deleted posts and self moderated threads, so I would have lots of evidence for a police report that they could easily verify in your jurisdiction, he said he would do it for me, however he apparently never got around to doing so.

Either way, my claims against you are not difficult to verify.

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March 14, 2017, 06:26:54 AM
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Who said that the majority in this forum will ever be in favor of a ponzi runner ? You're terribly wrong with that conclusion.
Community is not even in favor of doge-dice..
Who said that the majority in this forum will ever be in favor of a ponzi runner ? You're terribly wrong with that conclusion.
Even gambling is treated as evil in all religions(Hinduism, Islam..etc), and technically we treat Ponzi as evil here so whats the difference between Dogedice and bdonlan as one used to scam greedy people 2 years back and one is still doing.

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Is there a clear distinction B/W Ponzi and Gambling?
Yeah in defining them with mere words it is but at the end of the day both are exploiting people of their money.
In gambling wise people win and quit, in ponzi wise people invest first and get the hell out from there. I am no one to distinguish between them but what i wish is to give my view.
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Alex's account was in fact phished by myself, NO FINANCES NOR USER INFORMATION WAS ACCESSED. I was using the account to post an explanation since all of my posting privileges were disabled at the time by @theymos. The account was recovered and I was unable to post.
That is the mistake that you did, you deserve legal actions for this.

what i feel at last is that bdonlan's money should be given back to him, he has earned it with fair play and no body has right to blame anyone about who he is and what he did in his past.
If ethics follow then we all are scammers or thieves in one way or the other, though it may be stealing from others or competing in a job interview and replacing someone there.



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March 14, 2017, 06:23:05 PM
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Community is not even in favor of doge-dice..
I don't remember mentioning that either.From what I've observed,ponzi and hyip schemes have zero tolerance policy around here.

Even gambling is treated as evil in all religions(Hinduism, Islam..etc), and technically we treat Ponzi as evil here so whats the difference between Dogedice and bdonlan as one used to scam greedy people 2 years back and one is still doing.
Not sure where that is coming from but that's a terrible real life instance if you 'tried' making one.HYIP just steals from people promising fake returns.Gambling,oh well,doesn't promise anything! Someone did won 300 bitcoins on dogedice btw not sure how's that scamming.


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