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March 17, 2013, 08:35:29 PM
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I think we can expect more of the same bullshit from BFL.  Don't respond to the substance of any accusations.  Instead, pretend to get angry and start foaming at the mouth and insulting the questioner to try to distract from the criticism.

Then, if the initial questioner responds in kind, an innocent bystander might conclude that both people seem to be being kind of jerks.

The difference between Micon and the scammer, though, even if you think Micon was being more of a jerk than necessary (which I don't) is that Micon isn't sitting on a huge pile of other people's money while not delivering a damn thing other than lie after lie.

This is the kind of behavior you get from cultists and other scammers.
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March 17, 2013, 08:37:43 PM
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Well apparently the main website is being DDoS'd...

Yea saw that in his shoutbox comment. Karma is always late to the party.

BFL is a scam due to delivery alone. By the time you get these money machines it wont fucken matter. A liar is a liar.

I don't know who is ddosing them but I'm pretty sure its someone who isn't being kept busy with a miner that's on pre-order.

Either way who fucken cares!

http://bitcoindifficulty.com/ Do you know where your ASIC's are?
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March 17, 2013, 11:30:19 PM
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A scam runs until the money going out exceeds the money coming in.  Every time.

Very much this. Originally they had credulous fools a la giga backing them (just like pirate did, for the record). Those early backers are all in the red by now if not outright bankrupt so BFL is reduced to scraping the bottom of the fool barrel, loonies who carry zero to negative trust like Luke-jr.

Move along, as they say. Not much left to see here.

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March 18, 2013, 06:22:02 PM
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I sure am glad I didn't have the BTC in pocket to buy one of these unicornZ a few months back. I sure do LIKE my GTX570 n0w, lol.

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March 18, 2013, 06:36:48 PM
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I sure am glad I didn't have the BTC in pocket to buy one of these unicornZ a few months back. I sure do LIKE my GTX570 n0w, lol.

What are you pulling on that just curious and lazy to look it up?

http://bitcoindifficulty.com/ Do you know where your ASIC's are?
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March 19, 2013, 02:24:00 AM
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~145Mh/s   just been@it a few days, still trying to get the oc settings correct.  It doesn't like 20 window-surfing with opera, and downloading while mining.

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March 19, 2013, 03:16:30 AM
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~145Mh/s   just been@it a few days, still trying to get the oc settings correct.  It doesn't like 20 window-surfing with opera, and downloading while mining.

Not bad I'm not sure if this would work but I come across some information that if you have a pci-e x1 and a riser with plastic cut to fit a pci-e x16 card the card would work and since the card won't require the full bandwidth you would be able to mine on it with out any limitations.

I have a pci-e x1 slot available and a riser on delivery. I have seen youtube videos showing them actually cutting the video cards teeth to fit the x1 slot and it worked(limited) but it actually worked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWKcLhrqHec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZed5r9tXHQ

this one gives some more technical details

I don't recommend cutting the card but cutting the riser seems doable. I won't use a drumel on the board but I will try it on the riser

Imma try it. hehehe

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March 21, 2013, 03:56:09 PM
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Seems they have stopped doing forum status updates, and only post on the shoutbox now. apr 1st no ship bet at bitbets is a lock.

17 Mar BFL_Josh (Shoutbox) - Got farther in the testing today. Things are looking positive. I hope to have some definitive answers tomorrow.

19 Mar BFL_Josh (Shoutbox) - Still debugging the test rig trying to find out specifically where the problem lies. I (...)

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March 21, 2013, 07:29:59 PM
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Seems they have stopped doing forum status updates, and only post on the shoutbox now. apr 1st no ship bet at bitbets is a lock.

17 Mar BFL_Josh (Shoutbox) - Got farther in the testing today. Things are looking positive. I hope to have some definitive answers tomorrow.

19 Mar BFL_Josh (Shoutbox) - Still debugging the test rig trying to find out specifically where the problem lies. I (...)

I've been watching this one.... dropped 0.2 on it myself.

http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1352

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March 23, 2013, 07:01:24 PM
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whats the verdict?  Can I make a big bet on the Apr. 1 Delivery NOT happening?  Im thinking about placing a bet at bitbet?  How can bitbet even make money paying out such a ridic bet?  Isnt it a given that it will not happen at this point because if it was, BFL would be going nuts wild about shipping them out this coming Monday.... If they dont ship Monday/Tuesday there is no way they can be there by Apr 1  with time to set up and prove... I guess all it takes is one single person to show one for the bet to be lost? I guess which is totally possible, both with and without manipulation... 

The I mean, shit, BFL could literally bet all their pre-order money that they will not deliver by Apr 1 and then they could win the bet through total control.  Craziness...
0% chance BFL will ship by end of march, however i think you're misunderstanding how the bet payouts and calculations work. The below is from the bitbet FAQ.

How are winnings calculated?
Every bet has two sides. Every bettor on the winning side will receive as follows : 99% of his original bet sum (1% goes to BitBet.us) plus 99% of his bet times the total bet by the losing side multiplied by the winning side total weight and divided by his bet's total weight.

For a practical example consider the famous Josh Zerlan bet. Total losing pool was 791.28 BTC. Total winning weight was 63`783`932. Let's consider the first bet, 0.11 BTC. It got in at 99`922 weight. This bet would thus receive 99% of 0.11, so 0.1089 plus 99% of 0.11 * 791.28 * 99`922 / 63`783`932 = 0.134991959. So in total he should receive 0.243891959 (The amt listed on the site, ie 0.24389335 differs slightly. The reason is that the loser pool is listed as truncated to two decimals for space considerations, but the actual engine uses the full value. This will make us constantly if slightly underevaluate winnings.)

An important point to consider is that if the "plus" side of that calculation does not exceed the 1% charged by BitBet it is possible to win less BTC than the original bet. So for instance if someone bets 10`000 BTC and the losing side consists of 1 BTC only then the 10`000 bettor will have lost 100 BTC in BitBet fees for a maximum upside of 1 BTC (because obviously he can't win more than what the other people have bet).

The same applies for late bets, if the odds are even money (1:1) then a bet made at weight 1`000 or under is unlikely to walk away whole, even should it win. If the odds are 10:1 in favour of the winning side that weight cutoff becomes 10`000. If the odds are 10:1 against the winning side then that weight cutoff becomes 100. As a general rule of thumb the sooner you bet, the more BTC you stand to gain.

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March 26, 2013, 12:14:47 AM
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Another turd floats to the surface regarding Josh and our Boxes full of Fans friends.


http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-ksd-2_03-cv-02287

may just be a coincidence that a guy with the SAME name from the SAME state had this "happen to him.   Sort of like all the lemmings they got to post that Sonny the lottery scammer was a DIFFERENT person then the BFL Sonny (the ASIC expert).   They even got that magazine to write an article explaining these coincidences.

So Josh, do tell:  Did you get sued for watching a little Cinemax without paying for it?  Or were you a willing participant in another criminal enterprise?

Tell us the story of how you were fighting the man by charging trailer park dwellers half price for Fox News.

Is there anyone working for BFL who doesnt have a criminal record ? 

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March 26, 2013, 12:46:22 AM
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I think one of Jody's chickens has a clean record.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130982.msg1401799#msg1401799 - [BTC-TC]bASIC-MINING
http://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,886.0.html - [LTC-GLOBAL]LTC-DMF
http://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,817.msg3279.html#msg3279 - [CRYPTOSTOCKS]AGLTC

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March 26, 2013, 02:52:26 AM
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I think one of Jody's chickens has a clean record.

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The details are a tad sketchy, but it had something to do with her and Josh's poodle in a KC park.


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March 26, 2013, 03:26:43 AM
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LOL

Yer an outrage PG. Tongue

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March 27, 2013, 08:31:49 AM
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updated OP to add Josh Zerlan's DirecTV hacking past:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-ksd-2_03-cv-02287

Also to add a working theory:

Josh Zerlan seems to know almost nothing about ASIC manufacturing, so how did he get that job?  What about this recent post about how Josh appears to be a customer of BFL as well?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157329.0 

just spitballin' here, but what if josh bought a few minirigs?  he runs Eclipse mining pool, and seems to have set up his own mining rigs.  Of course he would be a natural BFL customer... so he has some pre-orders, then maybe they talk him into working for hardware or something.  I wonder if JZ is even getting paid...

I don't know who the puppetmaster is, but Sonny or that Nassir guy seem top of the list.

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March 27, 2013, 08:57:17 AM
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refusing full btc refunds is like there is no refund...

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March 27, 2013, 12:52:06 PM
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updated OP to add Josh Zerlan's DirecTV hacking past:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-ksd-2_03-cv-02287

Also to add a working theory:

Josh Zerlan seems to know almost nothing about ASIC manufacturing, so how did he get that job?  What about this recent post about how Josh appears to be a customer of BFL as well?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157329.0  

just spitballin' here, but what if josh bought a few minirigs?  he runs Eclipse mining pool, and seems to have set up his own mining rigs.  Of course he would be a natural BFL customer... so he has some pre-orders, then maybe they talk him into working for hardware or something.  I wonder if JZ is even getting paid...

I don't know who the puppetmaster is, but Sonny or that Nassir guy seem top of the list.

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Josh and GigaVPS clearly had advance notice of the plan to announce an ASIC product.

Both of them dumped mining bonds onto GBSLE days in advance of the pre-announce announcement.  This gave them both buckets of BTC to buy gear with, and allowed them to sell "stocks" that were hammered down by the news of impending ASIC shipments.

Given the attack dog response from Josh when I pointed out taking credit card payments for products you aren't shipping is against credit card processing rules, I think he was employed by BFL, or invested in BFL, long before he came out of the closet.
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March 27, 2013, 02:05:51 PM
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updated OP to add Josh Zerlan's DirecTV hacking past:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-ksd-2_03-cv-02287

Also to add a working theory:

Josh Zerlan seems to know almost nothing about ASIC manufacturing, so how did he get that job?  What about this recent post about how Josh appears to be a customer of BFL as well?  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157329.0 

just spitballin' here, but what if josh bought a few minirigs?  he runs Eclipse mining pool, and seems to have set up his own mining rigs.  Of course he would be a natural BFL customer... so he has some pre-orders, then maybe they talk him into working for hardware or something.  I wonder if JZ is even getting paid...

I don't know who the puppetmaster is, but Sonny or that Nassir guy seem top of the list.

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March 30, 2013, 04:33:33 PM
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BFL's testing videos are so hot right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4bgho5JSI

nothing of substance here, no hashing, the lights dim at ~ :17 seconds, better chance of BFL offices catching on fire now, so that's good.

Is there an ASIC chip even on that thing?  What was that about "new boards?" 


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April 08, 2013, 08:28:14 AM
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I decided to ask for a refund for a jalapeno (I wanted to give bfl the benefit of the doubt) and see if they delivered before March. As the deadline date wad close to paypals 45 day refund policy i decided to open a dispute. I got the refund immediately, but I noticed that there was an adjustment fee of 5 dollars. Has anyone noticed this?

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$5.72 to be exact.

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