bad news for bASIC - not shipping til mid Jan at best

[Nemesis]

requested refund for my orders from btcfpga.com. Can't figure out what is about to happen and if they go under, you loose your money. So If I dont hear back in 48 hours then I will do a chargeback.

Let me travel thro times and call you dumbass in advance.

kthnxbye

Please don't blame the victim, he is acting in good faith. Reserve your vitriol for Tom who caused this mess.

Hes deserved for being called dumbass for not doing chargeback NOW but .... wait.

Yeah goodfaith. 

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[pyromaniac]

I wonder who will be replacing him in this picture after they haul his ass off to jail.  Hopefully he takes good care of your family.

Calm down.  There isn't any evidence that Tom is not making a good faith effort to refund every order.  If he was running away, why would he refund $200k of orders, wire more money to the merchant account, and pay some employees first?

I requested my refund on Jan 6. I have not received a BTC refund or a CC refund. I have sent numerous emails to multiple email addresses, and have even CC'd the potential investor on the most recent ones. I was told by dave I would receive a refund within 24 hours on Jan 11, and have not heard a word since then (and of course no refund has appeared on my MC, or in my BTC accounts.) To make sure he received my messages, I even sent dave a number of PM's in the forum. I'm pretty much just being blatantly ignored. People after me (who requested refunds after Jan 6) say they have received them.

Order #1331 & #1723 .... Waiting.....

Funny, whenever someone requests a refund with my services I send it to them within 24 hours, and typically within an hour. C'est la vie? *shrug*

Edit: My BTC order #1331 is "Refund Requested". My CC order #1723 is "Ready to Ship".

Edit: Also, these were all sent from gmail. So unless gmail is broken, there is nothing wrong with my email.

Edit: I submitted my paperwork for a chargeback on Jan 14.

Edit: these were all ordered on btcfpga, not the newer bitcoinasic website.

Same thing.
I also requested my refund on 23/12/2012/ Refund #31, Order #1980. They didn't answer yet.

[Buffer Overflow]

Get over it.  This guy is running with your money.  He doesnt have enough to refund everyone.  He probably has more refunds then whats left in the account.  The good thing about this is that people with credit card orders can prosecute him for fraud if he doesnt return their money.

Considering that a decent number of people think you're hashking, I personally don't give any weight to anything you say when discussing scammers.

You can add me to that list. Hashking won't be able to keep away from these forums.

[tbcoin]

bASIC has received new funding - guaranteed shipping after Chinese New Year
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137285.0

[dooferorg]

Yea, a scare is right. I admit to not checking these forums much these days because I'm tired of the trolling but I did take notice of the stickied thread the other day and the link to the btcfpga forum posting of 'everyone do a chargeback now!'. To turn around within a week and say 'Heh, sorry about that.. ' is unbelievably crap and casts serious doubt about the sanity of those in charge.

I never did hear anything from Dave about the refund emails I sent, so I did CC chargeback and have the credit from them back to the card already so hopefully that's the end of it. If they turn around and ship after scaring off their customers that ordered and waited from them, then that's really crappy - not that I feel like making another order with them.

What's that phrase, 'fool me once, shame on you' .. 'fool me twice, shame on me'.

[Sitarow]

Yea, a scare is right. I admit to not checking these forums much these days because I'm tired of the trolling but I did take notice of the stickied thread the other day and the link to the btcfpga forum posting of 'everyone do a chargeback now!'. To turn around within a week and say 'Heh, sorry about that.. ' is unbelievably crap and casts serious doubt about the sanity of those in charge.

I never did hear anything from Dave about the refund emails I sent, so I did CC chargeback and have the credit from them back to the card already so hopefully that's the end of it. If they turn around and ship after scaring off their customers that ordered and waited from them, then that's really crappy - not that I feel like making another order with them.

What's that phrase, 'fool me once, shame on you' .. 'fool me twice, shame on me'.

That message was posted for people wanting a refund. Also Dave was trying to get the backlog of refund requests done at the time.

However the project delay was/is a factor for some customers risk tolerance.

[mining4fun11]

All I can say is Buyer Beware.

[RHA]

Look here: https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=1048.0

Tom has given up, but promised "EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER WILL BE REFUNDED. PERIOD."

[SgtSpike]

Look here: https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=1048.0

Tom has given up, but promised "EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER WILL BE REFUNDED. PERIOD."

Probably helps that he has twice as many Bitcoins now as he needs to refund for the equivalent USD value. 

[repentance]

Look here: https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=1048.0

Tom has given up, but promised "EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER WILL BE REFUNDED. PERIOD."

Probably helps that he has twice as many Bitcoins now as he needs to refund for the equivalent USD value. 

Only if they didn't cash out the Bitcoins.  The fact that he said they'll have to buy BTC to make the refunds suggests they weren't holding large Bitcoin reserves.

[SgtSpike]

Look here: https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=1048.0

Tom has given up, but promised "EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER WILL BE REFUNDED. PERIOD."

Probably helps that he has twice as many Bitcoins now as he needs to refund for the equivalent USD value. 

Only if they didn't cash out the Bitcoins.  The fact that he said they'll have to buy BTC to make the refunds suggests they weren't holding large Bitcoin reserves.

Interesting.  Last I heard, someone said that he was holding all of the preorder BTC money in BTC.

[SolarSilver]

Tom has given up, but promised "EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER WILL BE REFUNDED. PERIOD."

Just to confirm, my order was 25 units, I requested a refund for the credit card transactions around the 11th Jan from Dave and I got the money back this morning in my online statements, I did loose a few percent on the $USD vs EUR exchange rate.

But at least they are keeping their word.

[YipYip]

Tom has given up, but promised "EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER WILL BE REFUNDED. PERIOD."

Just to confirm, my order was 25 units, I requested a refund for the credit card transactions around the 11th Jan from Dave and I got the money back this morning in my online statements, I did loose a few percent on the $USD vs EUR exchange rate.

But at least they are keeping their word.

I hope so .... the CC chareback in OZ can take 3 months (because the banks are ARseholes)

Also if 1 penny/cent/dracma/ruble is not refunded they all get scammer tags

This perpencity to allow people off the hook in the BTC world is astounding !!!!

The BTC community is creating this enviroment that attracts scams and CON artists.. it is the broken windows theory in action

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory

I work @ a bank and as long as the DRUGS\MONEY LAUNDERING \CON MEN tag applies it will be extremely difficult for it to go mainstream

So the first step is to not accept anything but total professionalism & compliance to the law..otherwise we will be stuck with Inaba/BFL/bASIC levels of service forever 

[Phinnaeus Gage]

JESES MOTHER FUCKIN' CHRIST!!! https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=1048.0

First I want everyone to know - that all that nonsense that was posted on the Bitcointalk forum last night was not me. In fact I have not been on that forum in quite a while. My forum account was compromised and some people had some fun with it.

That's all I read so far. I swear on my mom and dad's ashes that I was going to pen this excuse a few days ago, but thought better of it, along with thinking that if I did, it wouldn't be used.

I'm sorry, Tom, but something doesn't smell right.

[YipYip]

JESES MOTHER FUCKIN' CHRIST!!! https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=1048.0

First I want everyone to know - that all that nonsense that was posted on the Bitcointalk forum last night was not me. In fact I have not been on that forum in quite a while. My forum account was compromised and some people had some fun with it.

That's all I read so far. I swear on my mom and dad's ashes that I was going to pen this excuse a few days ago, but thought better of it, along with thinking that if I did, it wouldn't be used.

I'm sorry, Tom, but something doesn't smell right.

What about the one where "My 4 yo son pressed the buy button on Ebay" ...lol     

[hardcore-fs]

Obviously....This has ALL been staged... including the hacking of "daves" computer..............

[SysRun]

link the "dave's" computer bit. I hadn't heard this.

[Bogart]

link the "dave's" computer bit. I hadn't heard this.

It was discussed on IRC #BTCFPGA.  Some customers got spammed from Dave's email with links to malware or something hosted on a .it website.

Dave came on and said he'd since removed his old hard drive and installed a new Win7 on a new drive.

He also said this slowed down his processing of refunds.

[YipYip]

link the "dave's" computer bit. I hadn't heard this.

It was discussed on IRC #BTCFPGA.  Some customers got spammed from Dave's email with links to malware or something hosted on a .it website.

Dave came on and said he'd since removed his old hard drive and installed a new Win7 on a new drive.

He also said this slowed down his processing of refunds.

And this rouge trojan russian group happened to have a inside knowledge of both Dave & Tom the plight of bASIC and then wanted to make problems

Yeah... i believe that...or is it some other just as wild story

How about identity theft or...someone brainwashed him into giving all the money away to Scientology and Tom Cruise wont give it back..lol

[SolarSilver]

Yeah... i believe that...or is it some other just as wild story

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