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January 15, 2013, 08:24:28 AM
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What about the ASIC hardware?
It's taking forever now. When is BFL going to deliver, in 2013?
I orderd in november and they would be ready in December and then Januari, so what's next Feb, March? So with shipping (to the Netherlands) and BFL taking forever is probably going to be June or Juli before I will have my Jal and SC little.
My next orders are definitely not going to be with BFL.
I'm already having regrets for believing in BFL and that they would have the products ready in December.
I feel screwed over by BFL. And I hope they will compensate people for lost income and paying too much.
The way BFL does business is not done, You can't keep making promises and think you can get away with it.

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January 15, 2013, 08:35:31 AM
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You probably need to do refund.
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January 15, 2013, 08:44:07 AM
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Latest update is here: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html

So, the scheduled shipping date is Feb 10. If you read the items though, it's obviously impossible to meet. Their attitude does not inspire confidence either. However, I think they will eventually deliver the devices, and they will meet the specifications.

At any rate, I would also demand a refund at this point, to be on the safe side. They most likely will not be the first to produce ASIC hardware, and that was the only reason pre-ordering made sense at the time. I never had a deal with BFL though, so take this with a grain of salt.
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The way BFL does business is not done, You can't keep making promises and think you can get away with it.

BFL does not like questions like this. It's more like with religion: You just have to believe.

If not, than this happens: Guy asking Josh/BFL about the ASICs

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January 15, 2013, 08:53:55 AM
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The way BFL does business is not done, You can't keep making promises and think you can get away with it.

BFL does not like questions like this. It's more like with religion: You just have to believe.

If not, than this happens: Guy asking Josh/BFL about the ASICs
No, No! Here Josh explains everything fine

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January 15, 2013, 09:56:38 AM
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It's taking forever now. When is BFL going to deliver, in 2013?
No one can tell. Only sure thing is that their CEO (Inaba) is willing to take bets now that BFL will deliver something by the end of 2013!
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January 15, 2013, 10:09:11 AM
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It's taking forever now. When is BFL going to deliver, in 2013?
No one can tell. Only sure thing is that their CEO (Inaba) is willing to take bets now that BFL will deliver something by the end of 2013!

Every well respected CEO makes bets... yeah right.. Huh
Real so called CEO,s  delivers products as promised....or stay out of discussions..and focus to there business..

I also wonder were all the "I TOLD U SO" people are ... Roll Eyes


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January 15, 2013, 10:29:51 AM
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Every well respected CEO makes bets... yeah right.. Huh
Yeah, right. Good luck waiting until the end of 2013!?
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January 15, 2013, 03:18:10 PM
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The way BFL does business is not done, You can't keep making promises and think you can get away with it.
BFL does not like questions like this. It's more like with religion: You just have to believe.

If not, than this happens: Guy asking Josh/BFL about the ASICs
You can't treat that video as a valid interview, and you know it! Micon was sneaking into CES with forged passes, and had been screaming at and swearing at a BFL rep the day before. He was then kicked out! Then he sneaks in the next day and makes that video. It's a troll video, and I'm surprised Josh didn't call security when he showed up.

To the OP: Josh/BFL have posted a massive mount of information concerning chip redesigns and shipping delays over at the BFL forums. Check them out there. Josh has a very clear timeline for their receipt of the chips, assembley, and shipping for the 2nd week of February.

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January 15, 2013, 03:47:18 PM
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Nor am I the CEO and I am not taking bets...

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January 16, 2013, 12:01:09 AM
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You can't treat that video as a valid interview, and you know it! Micon was sneaking into CES with forged passes, ...

Does it matter? How would an "official" press pass have made things any different?


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... and had been screaming at and swearing at a BFL rep the day before.

This is what Josh claims (Bryan disagrees). Do we have (video) proof? No!

Josh also said Bryans video was edited and that BFL has made their own video and that he will publish it. Did not happen.
(@Josh: Where is your video?)

So I have to go with the evidence. And that's Bryans version.

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January 16, 2013, 03:10:08 AM
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You can't treat that video as a valid interview, and you know it! Micon was sneaking into CES with forged passes, ...
Does it matter? How would an "official" press pass have made things any different?
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... and had been screaming at and swearing at a BFL rep the day before.
This is what Josh claims (Bryan disagrees). Do we have (video) proof? No!

Josh also said Bryans video was edited and that BFL has made their own video and that he will publish it. Did not happen.
(@Josh: Where is your video?)

So I have to go with the evidence. And that's Bryans version.
Alright lets go be the evidence in the video. Josh immediately recognizes Micon, which should be clue #1 that they've had previous encounters, and gives him a quarter to "find a clue". Kinda rude behavior, but almost completely unexpected. Josh has been like that countless times here on the forum, and in general has very little tolerance for people that have no interest in becoming customers, and are simply trolling.

Then Micron moves onto the BitPay guys. He then proves himself to be the world's worst interviewer. He talks and talks and talks, giving them 3 seconds to answer half of the 17 questions he just asked them. Then he interrupts them to blabber on and ask 15 more questions. Seriously, watch the full "interview" with the guys from BitPay. It's terrible. It's blatantly obvious that the only reason he's interested in them is A) make it seem like he's there for a legitimate reason and NOT there to solely troll BFL, and B) compare BFL financials to BitPays, which he's totally off on. He then ends the video completely astounded that BFL has actually made money (even if he has the wrong amount)!

TL;DR Josh was the one being unprofessional, but Micon was the one who was being an idiot and a tard.

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January 16, 2013, 08:36:21 AM
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You can't treat that video as a valid interview, and you know it! Micon was sneaking into CES with forged passes, ...
Does it matter? How would an "official" press pass have made things any different?
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... and had been screaming at and swearing at a BFL rep the day before.
This is what Josh claims (Bryan disagrees). Do we have (video) proof? No!

Josh also said Bryans video was edited and that BFL has made their own video and that he will publish it. Did not happen.
(@Josh: Where is your video?)

So I have to go with the evidence. And that's Bryans version.
Alright lets go be the evidence in the video. Josh immediately recognizes Micon, which should be clue #1 that they've had previous encounters, and gives him a quarter to "find a clue". Kinda rude behavior, but almost completely unexpected. Josh has been like that countless times here on the forum, and in general has very little tolerance for people that have no interest in becoming customers, and are simply trolling.

Then Micron moves onto the BitPay guys. He then proves himself to be the world's worst interviewer. He talks and talks and talks, giving them 3 seconds to answer half of the 17 questions he just asked them. Then he interrupts them to blabber on and ask 15 more questions. Seriously, watch the full "interview" with the guys from BitPay. It's terrible. It's blatantly obvious that the only reason he's interested in them is A) make it seem like he's there for a legitimate reason and NOT there to solely troll BFL, and B) compare BFL financials to BitPays, which he's totally off on. He then ends the video completely astounded that BFL has actually made money (even if he has the wrong amount)!

TL;DR Josh was the one being unprofessional, but Micon was the one who was being an idiot and a tard.

I agree the Micon video was shockingly bad and this is what passes as the BTC press in our world

There was even some rubish about him being a Nicotine Evangelist so was this all about him getting his message out & using Bitpay /BFl as his vehicle..so the interviewer trys to create his story out of what he is supposed to be covering ..What The ??

Josh --totally out of his depth in how deal with situations in a professional manner....lets leave that 1 there as words cant explain the level of un-professionalism i have seen on this forum as a new comer to BTC\LTC world that this guys demonstrates as REP for a major company (jn this space) it just shows the level of in-maturity that BTC\LTC is at (this will change as real player start to enter the market)

That whole episode cant be taken at face value except for the part about Josh not being able to deal with "a situation" in a professional manner



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January 16, 2013, 03:44:44 PM
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What about the ASIC hardware?
It's taking forever now. When is BFL going to deliver, in 2013?
I orderd in november and they would be ready in December and then Januari, so what's next Feb, March? So with shipping (to the Netherlands) and BFL taking forever is probably going to be June or Juli before I will have my Jal and SC little.
My next orders are definitely not going to be with BFL.
I'm already having regrets for believing in BFL and that they would have the products ready in December.
I feel screwed over by BFL. And I hope they will compensate people for lost income and paying too much.
The way BFL does business is not done, You can't keep making promises and think you can get away with it.



BFL does not like questions like this. It's more like with religion: You just have to believe.

If not, than this happens: Guy asking Josh/BFL about the ASICs




I agree the Micon video was shockingly bad and this is what passes as the BTC press in our world

There was even some rubish about him being a Nicotine Evangelist so was this all about him getting his message out & using Bitpay /BFl as his vehicle..so the interviewer trys to create his story out of what he is supposed to be covering ..What The ??

Josh --totally out of his depth in how deal with situations in a professional manner....lets leave that 1 there as words cant explain the level of un-professionalism i have seen on this forum as a new comer to BTC\LTC world that this guys demonstrates as REP for a major company (jn this space) it just shows the level of in-maturity that BTC\LTC is at (this will change as real player start to enter the market)

That whole episode cant be taken at face value except for the part about Josh not being able to deal with "a situation" in a professional manner


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What about the ASIC hardware?
It's taking forever now. When is BFL going to deliver, in 2013?
I orderd in november and they would be ready in December and then Januari, so what's next Feb, March? So with shipping (to the Netherlands) and BFL taking forever is probably going to be June or Juli before I will have my Jal and SC little.
My next orders are definitely not going to be with BFL.
I'm already having regrets for believing in BFL and that they would have the products ready in December.
I feel screwed over by BFL. And I hope they will compensate people for lost income and paying too much.
The way BFL does business is not done, You can't keep making promises and think you can get away with it.



BFL does not like questions like this. It's more like with religion: You just have to believe.

If not, than this happens: Guy asking Josh/BFL about the ASICs




I agree the Micon video was shockingly bad and this is what passes as the BTC press in our world

There was even some rubish about him being a Nicotine Evangelist so was this all about him getting his message out & using Bitpay /BFl as his vehicle..so the interviewer trys to create his story out of what he is supposed to be covering ..What The ??

Josh --totally out of his depth in how deal with situations in a professional manner....lets leave that 1 there as words cant explain the level of un-professionalism i have seen on this forum as a new comer to BTC\LTC world that this guys demonstrates as REP for a major company (jn this space) it just shows the level of in-maturity that BTC\LTC is at (this will change as real player start to enter the market)

That whole episode cant be taken at face value except for the part about Josh not being able to deal with "a situation" in a professional manner


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OP, just go get a refund. You'll be getting your money back, and bumping me closer to shipping. Win win. Smiley

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They won't hear to what you have to say ... Stop whining and do the one thing that will tell BFL something is going to change. --> get a refund ASAP!

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What about the ASIC hardware?
It's taking forever now. When is BFL going to deliver, in 2013?
I orderd in november and they would be ready in December and then Januari, so what's next Feb, March? So with shipping (to the Netherlands) and BFL taking forever is probably going to be June or Juli before I will have my Jal and SC little.
My next orders are definitely not going to be with BFL.
I'm already having regrets for believing in BFL and that they would have the products ready in December.
I feel screwed over by BFL. And I hope they will compensate people for lost income and paying too much.
The way BFL does business is not done, You can't keep making promises and think you can get away with it.


I don't think BFL is going to give you compensation. What exactly is the lost income and paying too much that you are referring too? Are you suggesting that BFL pay you interest in the pre-order money they were holding? Please show where in your original purchase agreement that they said they would do that.

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The way BFL does business is not done, You can't keep making promises and think you can get away with it.
BFL does not like questions like this. It's more like with religion: You just have to believe.

If not, than this happens: Guy asking Josh/BFL about the ASICs
You can't treat that video as a valid interview, and you know it! Micon was sneaking into CES with forged passes, and had been screaming at and swearing at a BFL rep the day before. He was then kicked out! Then he sneaks in the next day and makes that video. It's a troll video, and I'm surprised Josh didn't call security when he showed up.

To the OP: Josh/BFL have posted a massive mount of information concerning chip redesigns and shipping delays over at the BFL forums. Check them out there. Josh has a very clear timeline for their receipt of the chips, assembley, and shipping for the 2nd week of February.

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