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February 18, 2016, 12:48:01 AM
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I'm not familiar enough with his policies to be able to say which ones I like and dislike.  Well that was honest and unexpected... The policies that I have heard Bernie state (beyond his 40-year track record of voting for civil rights, gay rights, etc)... Bernie wants to get rid of private for-profit insurance companies... who are basically just a middleman making your health insurance more expensive than it needs to be... this has been estimated to save the average American around $5,000 per year Bernie wants to fix tax loopholes that let billionaires get away with paying a 5% tax rate on capital gains, while the middle-class is stuck with 35% federal + state tax + fica + medicare + social security... Bernie also wants to reinstate Glass–Steagall... which should have never been repealed, and is single-handedly responsible for the real-estate/stock-market crash/bailout a few years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_Legislation (Cliff notes: prevents banks from gambling with your money) Picture banks losing $50,000,000,000 playing SatoshiDice... then asking the US government for another $50,000,000,000 to continue gambling (nobody fixed the loophole allowing them to keep gambling) Bernie wants to make college free for all citizens who wish to attend... Like many European countries have already done Bernie is the man with the plan #FeelTheBern |
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February 18, 2016, 12:49:47 AM |
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Cruz is an angry, friendless, corrupt snake.
Trump could be as dangerous as Hitler, but (sometimes) much more funny.
So due to him being funny, he should be elected? No. At least we get to laugh a bit before the whole mess gets worse. I just feel Cruz is more evil, based on the fact-- well mostly Cruz's face. He just has that evil vibe to me. Speaking of his face... I saw this video the other day Science explains why you want to punch Ted Cruz in the faceFunny..Yes you do feel like doing it.. K POW..I think its because he reminds me of the evil little penguin off batman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSxCT1Faw6k |
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February 18, 2016, 12:52:14 AM |
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Both Trump and Cruz seem extreme. And is it true that Cruz was born in Canada? Is he even eligible to be president? I mean, all the birthers (including Trump) were screaming that Obama was born in Kenya so he couldn't be eligible to be president, so that means they would also think Cruz is not eligible since it is an actual fact that he was born in Canada, right?
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February 18, 2016, 12:55:31 AM |
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It's not something you can fully compare, as some Socialism societies are created / treated in different ways. Take Denmark for example.
But as a most basic difference, Communism and Socialism are similar but Socialism is a LESSER extreme of it. Going into detail would be a bit tough.
Socialism is not a less extreme version of communism. It's also not tough. Places like Norway and Denmark are so successful, because they are socialist countries. Socialism, as I know, is where everyone is taxed, included (especially) the rich. That way, the government can pay for things like, healthcare, college tuition and managing things like roads and stuff. People are paid for the quantity and quality of their work. Quoted from here ( http://www.marxmail.org/faq/same_pay.htm) "Does everybody get the same pay in socialist society?
No, they do not. The skilled worker gets more than the unskilled; the manager gets more than the workman; the great musician gets more than the average musician; the farmer who produces 400 bushels of wheat gets more than the farmer who produces zoo; the miner who digs eight tons of coal gets more than the miner who digs six; and so on. People are paid according to the quality and quantity of their work.
The person who receives even the largest income in socialist society can continue to receive it only so long as he continues to earn it through work. He cannot ever convert it into unearned income by buying the means of production and then living on the labor of others. He cannot buy the means of production for the excellent reason that in socialist society the means of production belong to the people and are not for sale. The higher pay he receives by dint of harder or better work enables him to live better than others who earn less; but his higher pay does not enable him to exploit anyone else.
Though there is inequality of pay in socialist society, there is equality of opportunity. Though skilled workers get higher pay, unskilled workers have ready access to the training and experience necessary to become skilled; though administrators, engineers, writers, artists get higher pay, free education for all in proportion to their ability to learn opens wide the entrance doors to these professions." That way, everyone can get paid to the extent of the quality and quantity of their work, while taxes, albeit being taxes, allow you free healthcare/tuition/good roads and such. That is my understanding of socialism, and I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. |
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Moloch
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February 18, 2016, 12:56:43 AM |
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Both Trump and Cruz seem extreme. And is it true that Cruz was born in Canada? Is he even eligible to be president? I mean, all the birthers (including Trump) were screaming that Obama was born in Kenya so he couldn't be eligible to be president, so that means they would also think Cruz is not eligible since it is an actual fact that he was born in Canada, right?
That is a tough question... Don't quote me on this... but... I have heard that both(?) his parents were American citizens... but... shortly before Cruz was born, they voted in the Canadian election... Now, America does not allow dual citizenship... so in order for them to vote in Canada, they would have needed to relinquish their American citizenship... so Cruz would have been born Canadian, not American... Now... back in reality... that doesn't matter... Cruz was issued an American birth certificate, and nobody is going to try taking citizenship away from a Senator... Trump has no intention of fighting that battle... he only mentions it because it takes 5 seconds to say, and takes 5% of Cruz's votes |
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February 18, 2016, 01:04:33 AM |
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Both Trump and Cruz seem extreme. And is it true that Cruz was born in Canada? Is he even eligible to be president? I mean, all the birthers (including Trump) were screaming that Obama was born in Kenya so he couldn't be eligible to be president, so that means they would also think Cruz is not eligible since it is an actual fact that he was born in Canada, right?
That is a tough question... Don't quote me on this... but... I have heard that both(?) his parents were American citizens... but... shortly before Cruz was born, they voted in the Canadian election... Now, America does not allow dual citizenship... so in order for them to vote in Canada, they would have needed to relinquish their American citizenship... so Cruz would have been born Canadian, not American... Now... back in reality... that doesn't matter... Cruz was issued an American birth certificate, and nobody is going to try taking citizenship away from a Senator... Trump has no intention of fighting that battle... he only mentions it because it takes 5 seconds to say, and takes 5% of Cruz's votes Obama also has an American birth certificate, but that didn't stop the birthers from pursuing the issue. Cruz probably is eligible, but if he gains in the poles, I think he is going to get questioned about it more. |
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Moloch
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February 18, 2016, 01:06:47 AM |
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Both Trump and Cruz seem extreme. And is it true that Cruz was born in Canada? Is he even eligible to be president? I mean, all the birthers (including Trump) were screaming that Obama was born in Kenya so he couldn't be eligible to be president, so that means they would also think Cruz is not eligible since it is an actual fact that he was born in Canada, right?
That is a tough question... Don't quote me on this... but... I have heard that both(?) his parents were American citizens... but... shortly before Cruz was born, they voted in the Canadian election... Now, America does not allow dual citizenship... so in order for them to vote in Canada, they would have needed to relinquish their American citizenship... so Cruz would have been born Canadian, not American... Now... back in reality... that doesn't matter... Cruz was issued an American birth certificate, and nobody is going to try taking citizenship away from a Senator... Trump has no intention of fighting that battle... he only mentions it because it takes 5 seconds to say, and takes 5% of Cruz's votes Obama also has an American birth certificate, but that didn't stop the birthers from pursuing the issue. Cruz probably is eligible, but if he gains in the poles, I think he is going to get questioned about it more. To be fair... Obama was elected president long before he produced the birth certificate Also, Trump was the birther pushing the issue with Obama, and with Cruz... that's just his shtick |
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February 18, 2016, 01:15:51 AM |
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But the thing is Cruz WAS actually born in Canada.
So, it's a weird subject.
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Moloch
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February 18, 2016, 01:23:02 AM |
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But the thing is Cruz WAS actually born in Canada.
So, it's a weird subject.
That doesn't mean much... an American can be born anywhere... My parents met in the Army... my brother was born in Germany... he's an American because when he was born, my parents were given the choice of making him an American citizen, or a German citizen... since they were both Americans, they chose to make him an American too... Now, Cruz is a bit different if both his parents actually voted in Canada, making them Canadians, not Americans... in that situation, Cruz should have never had the option of an American citizenship... but, nobody is going to take it from him now, it's too late... he's an American... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto |
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February 18, 2016, 01:28:45 AM |
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But you have to be born in the US to become the President if I'm not mistaken by some crazy words that I missed by some chance.
Isn't it a Natural born US citizen?
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February 18, 2016, 01:30:27 AM |
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But you have to be born in the US to become the President if I'm not mistaken by some crazy words that I missed by some chance.
Isn't it a Natural born US citizen?
Yes, but that has never been properly defined, so it's mostly meaningless... It doesn't state you need to be born on US soil, or anything like that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause |
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February 18, 2016, 01:31:21 AM |
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Does it really matter who's going to be president? Nothing's gonna really change.
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February 18, 2016, 01:33:04 AM |
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Does it really matter who's going to be president? Nothing's gonna really change.
That depends on who wins... If Billary Clinton or Marco Roboto wins, you are correct If Bernie or Trump or possibly Cruz wins... expect changes |
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February 18, 2016, 01:34:12 AM |
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Does it really matter who's going to be president? Nothing's gonna really change.
That depends on who wins... If Billary Clinton or Marco Roboto wins, you are correct If Bernie or Trump or possibly Cruz wins... expect changes Well yeah, if Trump is going to win I think we'll laugh more. |
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February 18, 2016, 01:38:45 AM |
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But you have to be born in the US to become the President if I'm not mistaken by some crazy words that I missed by some chance.
Isn't it a Natural born US citizen?
Yes, but that has never been properly defined, so it's mostly meaningless... It doesn't state you need to be born on US soil, or anything like that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clauseYeah, I was reading about it somewhere. Would this be a more Supreme Court decision or--? |
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February 18, 2016, 01:41:02 AM
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But you have to be born in the US to become the President if I'm not mistaken by some crazy words that I missed by some chance.
Isn't it a Natural born US citizen?
Yes, but that has never been properly defined, so it's mostly meaningless... It doesn't state you need to be born on US soil, or anything like that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clauseYeah, I was reading about it somewhere. Would this be a more Supreme Court decision or--? Naw, it's just a bluff... it would never happen The thing is... just by saying it... Trump damages Cruz reputation, stealing a few of his votes... he doesn't have to actually go through with it... One sentence out of his mouth gains him hundreds of thousands of votes... he's a smart(ish) man |
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February 18, 2016, 01:47:01 AM |
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Yeah, I would never think it would be looked into further. Just like the whole Obama dilemma with the "Not being a Citizen thing" but at this point, Trump is actually doing well.
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February 18, 2016, 01:52:32 AM |
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Yeah, I would never think it would be looked into further. Just like the whole Obama dilemma with the "Not being a Citizen thing" but at this point, Trump is actually doing well.
I'm not really that informed, but you mean to say Obama is not an American citizen? |
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February 18, 2016, 02:36:15 AM |
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No no no, I am saying about how Obama was accused of being a non-American citizen.
I'm not saying he isn't at all.
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February 18, 2016, 07:32:26 AM |
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I don't have much to say about Cruz, however, I feel that Trump has done a surprisingly successful job at digging himself out of the mess he was initially in when he first put word out that he would run for office. He went from being a joke to a influential candidate for the leader of our country.
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