Bitcoin part of the elite, the illuminati, new world order?

[RodeoX]

At this point it would almost be comforting to think that there are secret groups so competent that they could control the world. The fact is no such entity exists. The biggest decision a group of free masons are likely to make is what day to hold the annual BBQ on.
Ya know, history is all written down. It may not be as interesting as the nonsense dreamed up by our sophomoric pop culture, but the truth is easy to find.

[Bind]

Ya know, history is all written down.

you should go research it some time.

and I dont mean wiki, school books, or the history channel.

you might learn something to pull you away from indictrination.

[foggyb]

it would almost be comforting to think that there are secret groups so competent that they could control the world.

Really? You're comforted by the thought of any man or small group of men at the reins of humanity's destination? It scares the crap out of me.

Ya know, history is all written down.

That statement has a huge problem. It implies that someone knows all of history, and has read and verified all historical texts.

the truth is easy to find.

Not true.  

[tymothy]

Some people forgot to take their meds today.

[Bind]

the truth is incredibly hard to find.

its been stolen, bought, destroyed, and well hidden by those who do not want much of it known. History is the key to the world we are living in today and the future.

you can find enough of it if you look hard enough to prove whats happening in the world today is designed and contrived by an insidious influence.

People like RodeoX have simply never looked. Maybe they are like the rest of 99% of the sheep population who is indoctrinated and manipulated by establishment controlled media, their schooling, advertising, fear of being different than their peers/community, government propoganda, etc.

My parents are alot like that - waving the flag around believeing the news and propaganda shoved down their throat, willing to give up more and more freedom and liberty to feel a little more secure and safe.

"... the majority of the people of the world are sleeping people ... sheeple is what they are ... and they are riding the judas goat right in to the shearing pins, and from there they will go to the slaughter, and will not know that there is anything wrong until they smell of blood of the sheeple in front of them ..."

[Alik]

Although I highly doubt that their are groups out there today calling themselves Illuminati, it's fairly obvious that the ideals written in their own writings, especially from 1773, exist today through many elitists. I also doubt that Bitcoin was created as part of an elitist agenda. What I WOULD be concerned about is an infiltration which is step number 1 for the powers at be to take in order to take control or shut something down. If not in the form of legislation or statutes from the bureaucracy, it would come from much more creative means that would seem very "Bitcoin friendly" at first.

I am weary of it and I do keep my eyes peeled. Bottom line is, alternative currencies are an attack on something they control and have manipulated people to and believe in it's legitimacy.

Thomas Jefferson says it best:

-Thomas Jefferson
"If the American People ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied. The issuing power of money should be taken from the bankers and restored to Congress and the people to whom it belongs. I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies.

We are completely saddled and bridled, and the bank is so firmly mounted on us that we must go where they ill guide.

The dominion which the banking institutions have obtained over the minds of our citizens...must be broken, or it will break us."

(Letter to James Monroe, January 1, 1815).

-Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington
"Paper is poverty,... it is only the ghost of money, and not money itself."

-Thomas Jefferson to Albert Gallatin, 1803
"[The] Bank of the United States... is one of the most deadly hostility existing, against the principles and form of our Constitution... An institution like this, penetrating by its branches every part of the Union, acting by command and in phalanx, may, in a critical moment, upset the government. I deem no government safe which is under the vassalage of any self-constituted authorities, or any other authority than that of the nation, or its regular functionaries. What an obstruction could not this bank of the United States, with all its branch banks, be in time of war! It might dictate to us the peace we should accept, or withdraw its aids. Ought we then to give further growth to an institution so powerful, so hostile?"

-Thomas Jefferson to William C. Rives, 1819
"Certainly no nation ever before abandoned to the avarice and jugglings of private individuals to regulate according to their own interests, the quantum of circulating medium for the nation -- to inflate, by deluges of paper, the nominal prices of property, and then to buy up that property at 1s. in the pound, having first withdrawn the floating medium which might endanger a competition in purchase. Yet this is what has been done, and will be done, unless stayed by the protecting hand of the legislature. The evil has been produced by the error of their sanction of this ruinous machinery of banks; and justice, wisdom, duty, all require that they should interpose and arrest it before the schemes of plunder and spoilation desolate the country."

[konakevin]

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[BitcoinPorn]

"It's in Revelations people!"


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[RodeoX]

Well I was kidding about being "comforted" about a secret controlling group. But i don't believe such a group exists. I DO think history is easy to find. If you go to a university and study the secret societies you will find that, while they had some power, they could not control the world. Not even close. Most of them died out.
It would be magnitudes more difficult to control the world today.

[Bind]

Well I was kidding about being "comforted" about a secret controlling group. But i don't believe such a group exists. I DO think history is easy to find. If you go to a university and study the secret societies you will find that, while they had some power, they could not control the world. Not even close. Most of them died out.
It would be magnitudes more difficult to control the world today.

ok since you obviosuly have no clue, perhaps backtracking is what you need to do.

Start with the United Nations. Track their history and the people involved, then track their history.

Rinse and repeat.

Do the same for the club or rome, council on foreign relations, the carneigie foundation, the ford foundation, the rhodes trust/rhodes scholarship, the rockefeller foundation(s), world bank, international monetary fund, world wildlife foundation, knights of malta, freemasons, bilderberg group, the bohemian society, and oh so many many more.

Its pretty simple. They worship intellect. Luciferians. They believe man can become their own God through knowledge. Their goal is to learn and teach each other how to control everyone else. Thats the big secret. The Light. They believe that because of their superior intellect, and the fact the rest of us do not learn and use our intellect to it fullest ability, they have the supreme right to rule over us.

Think about it. All these elites are the most powerful people in the world. The richest. When you are a competative business-person at the top of your game, and you have all the money in the world to buy anything and anyone you could ever want, whats left to attain or strive for

Pure unadulterated Power ... Control.

Every major player of wealth, power, and control is part of a secret society linked with others. They have rituals around fire performing mock sacrifice rituals. That mock sacrifice represents us. The fire represent knwoledge and intellect, becasue fire was and still is the most important "technology" every invented. Nothing we value today would exist if it wasnt for fire. Nothing. Fire is one of their most important symbols. And its all about symbolism and there are alot of symbols.

Think about man before fire. He was lonely, scared, cold, and was hunted down and soemtimes eaten. he didnt know what to do. Until that first strike of lightening struck a tree causing fire. Eventually man was able to keep the fire going. Then manipulate and create it. He was probably thought of as the first King, the first Priest, the first scientist. Everyone worshiped him because of this new technology that SAVED THEM from the terrors of the night. The animals trying to kill them.

Luciferians take this a bit farther and see daylight night as the Dark Prince, and daylight as the Saviour.

this is just a minute fraction of what they elite worship and believe.

this is not what I believe.

it doesnt matter what you or I believe.

it matters what THEY believe because of its daily effects on us, our families and communities, our governments and monetary systems ... and our very lives depend on it.

they own it all ... global corporations .. governments ... leaders ... legislators ... local school boards ...etc

most are dupes while the ones near the top are adepts.

wake up.

learn your history.

besides its alot more interesting that watching Survivor or a football game.

[£]

ok since you obviosuly have no clue . . . etc etc

(edited in the intrests of brevity/sanity)

This is simply the same tired old conspiracism that has washed around the internet for more than a decade.

These ideas tend to be held with such inerrant devotion that it becomes difficult for the adherents to even listen to discussion of (let alone challenge or criticism of) these ideas, to do anything other than wholly subscribe to every part of these ideas is seen as an act of hostility by conspiracy theorists. Rational discussion tends to be out of the question.

As soon as you see the high water mark of epistemological arrogance - "wake up" - you pretty much know the conversation is limited.

[£]

. . . . the usual crap about 9/11 and earthquakes  . . .

I dont believe in it, however I do think there  is a strong possibility of its existence.

 

[Bind]

I have no doubt you disbelieve it.

99% of the worlds population either does not know about it or disbelieves it.

I truly envy you disbelievers. It would make life so much easier to blanketly disbelieve without the formality of fact and evidence to back it up. Unshakable faith in your leaders and governments and their controllers is a wonderful thing. I used to have it and it was glorious.

Researching these things and history can change nothing. It's simply the path to the truth and acceptance. Knowing about it can change nothing in and of istelf. That takes activism and time and dedication.

Once researched for yourself and accepted, we can then educate others, help them on their path to research and acceptance, then we can prepare. To me its all about preparation. Teaching my family the truth so they can accept and prepare appropriately in case the shit hits the fan.

You see I believe the elite are scared of us, especially those of us in the countries where we still have much of our freedoms, liberty, most notably, the right to form militia and to keep and bear arms. They need to keep us happy, because history repeats itself. In history, time and time again oppressive and tyrannical, and totalitarian governments and leaders have been systematically overturned by The People they tried to take to much from. This is their achilles heel. Their weakness. So they must make us believe that we are happy in a propagandized world, but we are actually enslaved. Shackled by debt. Our obligation to them. Debt is their main tool but there are thousands of others. You do not have to be hanging on a wall, in chains, or in a prison cell to be enslaved. All it takes is to be obligated.

They need to keep us happy. Bailouts, interest rate changes, quantative easing, social programs, assistance, welfare, you name it, whatever it takes they will do it to keep us happy so long as we have the right to keep and bear arms, because otherwise you have 300 million people who are armed and have nothing, thus nothing left to lose. 300 million people out the get them. There's nowhere they can hide. So they will do anything to keep the system going. At some point it will fail for them because they are systematically raping us, the system is a ponzi scheme, and they will not be able to keep it up forever. Thats the day we need to prepare for. They day they go to far.

[bitrebel]

Alex Jones for Pres.
Jesse Ventura for Vice Pres.
Ron Paul, Sec. of Treasury

[firefox]

its hilarious how truthers try and convince people with logic

and the deniers slander and talk shit to the truthers with absolutely no evidence(other the the tv told me so)



i tell you to wake up and open your mind... you tell me i need to take my meds and proceed to tell me I'M the idiot....
that's when i tell you to go back to your American Idiot marathon

[£]

I have no doubt you disbelieve it.

Disbelieve in what eactly ?

Your claims cover the usual misanthropic spectrum of conspiracism, everything from musings on superstition to mass indoctrination, from the nefarious underpinnings of media to schooling and advertising, from your parents being willingly credulous consumers of propaganda to the United Nations being . . . well being something (typically the case is not made only alluded to), from the Club of Rome to Luciferians, from the Freemasons to . . . well just about everything is involved in this vast and insidious all pervasive conspiracy.

My main interest (and criticism) is the methodology employed to arrive at and to hold on to these ideas  - the sheer contempt for others who might hold differing views, contempt regularly drifting over into misanthropy, and the simplistic dichotomies/trichotomies conspiracy theorists tend to divide the world into (which often sees them march headlong into straw man arguments) - think of it as a kind of intellectual curiosity, a kind of social anthropological interest rather than an exercise in proving or disproving your various conspiracy notions.

99% of the worlds population either does not know about it or disbelieves it.

Again, for clarity, you've not stated what 'it' is, but I will read it as a 'vast and secretive web of deceit' know only to a small band of unusually insightful 'truthers' bravely sounding the alarm for all mankind ?

I truly envy you disbelievers. It would make life so much easier to blanketly disbelieve without the formality of fact and evidence to back it up. Unshakable faith in your leaders and governments and their controllers is a wonderful thing. I used to have it and it was glorious.

Here we have the first (I would guess of many) false dichotomies (and it's corollary straw man argument):

If someone disagrees or challenges your ideas they are immediately labelled as mindless automaton who credulously accept the word of their 'controllers', anyone who might question some of your ideas have unshakable faith in their leaders - and have no evidence to back up their position.

Once researched for yourself and accepted, we can then educate others, help them on their path to research and acceptance, then we can prepare. To me its all about preparation. Teaching my family the truth so they can accept and prepare appropriately in case the shit hits the fan.

Here we have another 2 stalwarts of conspiracism, firstly the 'research device' - regardless of what opinions the conspiracy theorists comes up against he (or she) can simply brush them aside by explaining that they simply need to do more research, you don't believe my claims ? Then you just need to keep researching until you do ! And secondly the looming threat alluded to here (be prepared . . . we never know when the shit will hit the fan) - all branches of magical thinking tend to have a great happening, an epoch changing event as part of their canon (a revolution, a great awakening, a rapture, the return of the 12th Imam, a global war . . .etc) and there tends to be two universals to these great happenings, the first is that the event will happen in the lifetime of the subscriber to the idea and the second is that he (or she) will be on the 'winning' or 'righteous' side.

They need to keep us happy. Bailouts, interest rate changes, quantative easing, social programs, assistance, welfare, you name it, whatever it takes they will do it to keep us happy so long as we have the right to keep and bear arms, because otherwise you have 300 million people who are armed and have nothing, thus nothing left to lose.

Here in the UK we have no right to bear arms and yet we have all those measures in place (bailouts, interest rate changes, quantitative easing, social programs . . .etc) - The same can be said of most countries, in light of this, perhaps your notion that the right to bear arms is causally related to these measures might be wrong ?

[firefox]

alright mr E

word your argument? however you want


what you just said is bullshit
your saying that "truthers" tell everyone off if they don't believe in the theory... that is so far from the truth,  we encourage people to seek the truth(hence truther) from places other then just the TV, to free their minds from the "programming" that has infiltrated the worlds media empire.

most people that haven't "woken up" nitpick the small details of the larger message.  that message is to question everything, including the conspiracy, and to learn from the past.


I encourage you that don't believe in the "truthers", which in itself is ridiculous considering truthers only seek the truth, to read about the lead up to Nazi Germany and how most countries(except iran and few others) is reading right from Hitler's playbook.
and to the people that talk shit to the truthers, you are so closed minded and afraid of truth that you resort to slander


and about the research the conspiracy theorist do... Ive ran into maybe 4 people since 2004 that have provided ANY evidence to support any arguments against me...  i try and back my claims with everyone that doubts what i say.   the other 1000s of people just go and tell me to shut up, take my meds and accept the lies.

[foggyb]

It would be magnitudes more difficult to control the world today.

I argue the opposite is true.
1. Communication is instant and at the fingertips. 250 years ago it took 3 months to relay a message from one continent to the other.
2. One can circumnavigate the globe in hours. 250 years this took the better part of a decade.
3. Thermonuclear weapons can vaporize millions in seconds. 250 years ago their lethal weapon of choice was a single-shot smooth-bore firearm.
4. Despite the age of information, it has never been easier to propagandize the whole world. Never before in history has it been possible to lie to billions of people in one moment, and get away with it.
5. It has never been easier to accumulate massive amounts of wealth to be used in the creation of oppressive power structures.

[Kehaar]

The thing most confusing about this, The Koolio, is why you're talking about conspiracy theories, and yet have your avatar as a common Freemason symbol, which most people consider to be mixed up in the conspiracies :p

[£]

your saying that "truthers" tell everyone off if they don't believe in the theory... that is so far from the truth,  we encourage people to seek the truth(hence truther) from places other then just the TV, to free their minds from the "programming" that has infiltrated the worlds media empire.

Yes, that is my claim, that 'truthers' readily accuse those who don't subscribe to their notions as being benighted and clueless fools, of being credulous sheep (or 'sheeple') unaware (or 'unawoken') to the dark machinations of the world that they, uniquely, are alive to.

most people that haven't "woken up" nitpick the small details of the larger message.  that message is to question everything, including the conspiracy, and to learn from the past.

I absolutely agree, healthy skepticism is a very good thing, question everything, take nothing on faith. But, no, I don't agree that the detail of an argument should be ignored for the greater good of the broader argument, ideas are built on the foundation stones of these details.

and to the people that talk shit to the truthers, you are so closed minded and afraid of truth that you resort to slander

A wonderfully concise self-defeating statement.   In your rush to admonish people who 'slander' (libel) others you manage to squeeze in the idea that these people are 'talking shit', 'closed minded' and 'afraid of the truth'.

 

Or as an old friend once said "swearing is for cunts".