Health and Religion

[BADecker]

Actually, Jesus told everyone EXACTLY how to differentiate between good teachers and bad teachers; it's just one of those things where your skill gets better with practice. Jesus also said that you could do greater things than he did, that means that you can strengthen your spiritual connection with Father, you can use trance as a tool to reach out to GOD, and because GOD IS GOOD, he will answer your call; it will not be a scenario where you are being deceived by a demon, BADecker. What stories have you been hearing, exactly? The mental training I am familiar with does not cause such bizarre side-effects AT ALL.

In fact, all methods for contacting GOD in prayer all involve the use of the inner mind, your will is your connection to GOD, so with persistence and a bit of discernment you can strengthen your connection; GOD HEARS THE CALL OF YOUR HEART; I disagree that accessing the subconscious is dangerous because I am not aware of any cases of advanced mental training leading to psychosis (which teachers? which methods? you provided no plain examples); some people are vulnerable and need counseling, but this is not the rule; rather, the rule is that practically all will find benefits from meditation; using hypnosis to contact evil spirits is an exception, not the rule. Using hypnosis to get closer to GOD is much easier than you think, just like prayer focuses attention on one's mind and heart, so does hypnosis; in truth there is no such thing as "inner mind"; by closing off this part of your being, it is like you are restricting yourself from the innermost parts of your temple.

Throughout the Old Testament God tells people to avoid contact with the spirits. Our contact is to be with God, Himself, spiritually, not other spirits, spiritually.

Everything that we do involves using the inner mind. Almost none of it involves direct, aware, observed, contact with the inner mind. It is all automatic. It is not observational contact.

Self-hypnosis opens up the observation of the inner mind, thereby taking away the automatics. This is where we let down the built-in safe-guards with regard to protection from what the spirits might tell us or suggest to us.

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[BADecker]

What is so scary about contacting your own subconscious? I say we should let the truth about the mind be revealed, you will not be deceived by demons if you practice self-inquiry and self-hypnosis, both are proper tools in the life of the seeker but religions will normally work to supress the truth about personal power.

The danger is this. We have trouble finding truth with people. How are we going to determine truth if we contact spirits?

The inner mind has always held ways to contact spirits. The complexity of mind is one of the things that keeps spirits out. When we open up the parts of the inner to direct contact from our outer mind, we open up contact with the spirits.

We have very little control of inner mind. The spirits are often deceptive, teaching things outside of the realms of things that we can control easily. They can open us up to false things as well as true things, but we won't know the difference.

In addition, the complexity of the mind is so great that we don't easily understand what we are looking at when our inner mind feeds us some of its own data.

Stay away from contacting your inner self if you want to stay away from opening up a path for spirits to feed you their information. You won't be able to distinguish the truth from falsehood. Many people that have done this, have gone insane, or else lost control of their own thinking and belief system.

That is exactly the time when you lose your mind. 

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.

When you talk to God, you are religious.
When God talks back to you, you are insane.

When you think that God doesn't exist, you are religious.

When you don't accept the proof of the existence of God that nature and science show, you are insane.

Links to the proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

[BADecker]

What is so scary about contacting your own subconscious? I say we should let the truth about the mind be revealed, you will not be deceived by demons if you practice self-inquiry and self-hypnosis, both are proper tools in the life of the seeker but religions will normally work to supress the truth about personal power.

The danger is this. We have trouble finding truth with people. How are we going to determine truth if we contact spirits?

The inner mind has always held ways to contact spirits. The complexity of mind is one of the things that keeps spirits out. When we open up the parts of the inner to direct contact from our outer mind, we open up contact with the spirits.

We have very little control of inner mind. The spirits are often deceptive, teaching things outside of the realms of things that we can control easily. They can open us up to false things as well as true things, but we won't know the difference.

In addition, the complexity of the mind is so great that we don't easily understand what we are looking at when our inner mind feeds us some of its own data.

Stay away from contacting your inner self if you want to stay away from opening up a path for spirits to feed you their information. You won't be able to distinguish the truth from falsehood. Many people that have done this, have gone insane, or else lost control of their own thinking and belief system.

That is exactly the time when you lose your mind. 

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.

When you talk to God, you are religious.
When God talks back to you, you are insane.

When you think that God doesn't exist, you are religious.

When you don't accept the proof of the existence of God that nature and science show, you are insane.

Links to the proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

There is no proof.  I am sane, you are not.

Are you like stats? Another joker who can't rebut the science, but says there is no proof? Go on. Systematically rebut and refute if you can. Otherwise, thanks again for helping to show that the proof stands, and that you have a religion in atheism.

[Mia Wallace]

I follow my religion and health practices and till now i am not worried about anything nor do i have any medical conditions that are serious.  I would rather not bother about these issues and look for a brighter thing that would soothe my brains . 

[stats]

What is so scary about contacting your own subconscious? I say we should let the truth about the mind be revealed, you will not be deceived by demons if you practice self-inquiry and self-hypnosis, both are proper tools in the life of the seeker but religions will normally work to supress the truth about personal power.

The danger is this. We have trouble finding truth with people. How are we going to determine truth if we contact spirits?

The inner mind has always held ways to contact spirits. The complexity of mind is one of the things that keeps spirits out. When we open up the parts of the inner to direct contact from our outer mind, we open up contact with the spirits.

We have very little control of inner mind. The spirits are often deceptive, teaching things outside of the realms of things that we can control easily. They can open us up to false things as well as true things, but we won't know the difference.

In addition, the complexity of the mind is so great that we don't easily understand what we are looking at when our inner mind feeds us some of its own data.

Stay away from contacting your inner self if you want to stay away from opening up a path for spirits to feed you their information. You won't be able to distinguish the truth from falsehood. Many people that have done this, have gone insane, or else lost control of their own thinking and belief system.

That is exactly the time when you lose your mind. 

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.

When you talk to God, you are religious.
When God talks back to you, you are insane.

When you think that God doesn't exist, you are religious.

When you don't accept the proof of the existence of God that nature and science show, you are insane.

Links to the proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

There is no proof.  I am sane, you are not.

Are you like stats? Another joker who can't rebut the science, but says there is no proof? Go on. Systematically rebut and refute if you can. Otherwise, thanks again for helping to show that the proof stands, and that you have a religion in atheism.

Been rebutted.... you just fail to admit it.

Now it's your turn..... prove it!

@af_newbie  I am happy living in a world of truth and reality, how about you?

[bitcoinboy12]

I follow my religion and health practices and till now i am not worried about anything nor do i have any medical conditions that are serious.  I would rather not bother about these issues and look for a brighter thing that would soothe my brains . 

If you think about it. These 2 really come hand in hand. Religion is pretty much the guidelines of the things that make you feel at peace. If you are not sure that you are at peace. Then you can't really say that you are free from stress. Well this is my take on this. Just saying..

[BADecker]

What is so scary about contacting your own subconscious? I say we should let the truth about the mind be revealed, you will not be deceived by demons if you practice self-inquiry and self-hypnosis, both are proper tools in the life of the seeker but religions will normally work to supress the truth about personal power.

The danger is this. We have trouble finding truth with people. How are we going to determine truth if we contact spirits?

The inner mind has always held ways to contact spirits. The complexity of mind is one of the things that keeps spirits out. When we open up the parts of the inner to direct contact from our outer mind, we open up contact with the spirits.

We have very little control of inner mind. The spirits are often deceptive, teaching things outside of the realms of things that we can control easily. They can open us up to false things as well as true things, but we won't know the difference.

In addition, the complexity of the mind is so great that we don't easily understand what we are looking at when our inner mind feeds us some of its own data.

Stay away from contacting your inner self if you want to stay away from opening up a path for spirits to feed you their information. You won't be able to distinguish the truth from falsehood. Many people that have done this, have gone insane, or else lost control of their own thinking and belief system.

That is exactly the time when you lose your mind. 

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.

When you talk to God, you are religious.
When God talks back to you, you are insane.

When you think that God doesn't exist, you are religious.

When you don't accept the proof of the existence of God that nature and science show, you are insane.

Links to the proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

There is no proof.  I am sane, you are not.

Are you like stats? Another joker who can't rebut the science, but says there is no proof? Go on. Systematically rebut and refute if you can. Otherwise, thanks again for helping to show that the proof stands, and that you have a religion in atheism.

Been rebutted.... you just fail to admit it.

Now it's your turn..... prove it!

@af_newbie  I am happy living in a world of truth and reality, how about you?

The step by step proof for the existence of God is laid out in the links, above. You have never expressed a step by step rebuttal of the proofs. You can't. Such rebuttal doesn't exist. God exists.

[BADecker]

What is so scary about contacting your own subconscious? I say we should let the truth about the mind be revealed, you will not be deceived by demons if you practice self-inquiry and self-hypnosis, both are proper tools in the life of the seeker but religions will normally work to supress the truth about personal power.

The danger is this. We have trouble finding truth with people. How are we going to determine truth if we contact spirits?

The inner mind has always held ways to contact spirits. The complexity of mind is one of the things that keeps spirits out. When we open up the parts of the inner to direct contact from our outer mind, we open up contact with the spirits.

We have very little control of inner mind. The spirits are often deceptive, teaching things outside of the realms of things that we can control easily. They can open us up to false things as well as true things, but we won't know the difference.

In addition, the complexity of the mind is so great that we don't easily understand what we are looking at when our inner mind feeds us some of its own data.

Stay away from contacting your inner self if you want to stay away from opening up a path for spirits to feed you their information. You won't be able to distinguish the truth from falsehood. Many people that have done this, have gone insane, or else lost control of their own thinking and belief system.

That is exactly the time when you lose your mind.  

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.

When you talk to God, you are religious.
When God talks back to you, you are insane.

When you think that God doesn't exist, you are religious.

When you don't accept the proof of the existence of God that nature and science show, you are insane.

Links to the proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

There is no proof.  I am sane, you are not.

Are you like stats? Another joker who can't rebut the science, but says there is no proof? Go on. Systematically rebut and refute if you can. Otherwise, thanks again for helping to show that the proof stands, and that you have a religion in atheism.

Been rebutted.... you just fail to admit it.

Now it's your turn..... prove it!

@af_newbie  I am happy living in a world of truth and reality, how about you?

stats,

BADecker is a lunatic.  He convinced himself that his twisted half truths about entropy, cause and effect and Bible text are absolute proof that God exists, and he fails to accept the fact that Bible is a collection of writings by 40+ uneducated bronze age people, written over the course of 2500 years.  On top of that he denies evolution, the age of Earth and the age of the universe.  He conveniently ignores the fact that entropy here on Earth has been decreasing, thanks to the constant energy input from the Sun.

Basically, he is delusional.  He needs decades of deprogramming to get him out of that 'thinking framework' that his cult put him in.

I think the scientific discussion should end when a person says that Earth is 6000 years old, or that we did not evolved from monkeys.

When I confronted BADecker about the age of Earth by showing him pictures of 9000+ years old, LIVING trees in Sweden, he said that people who counted the rings made a mistake, then he implied that maybe the trees grew more rings per year in the past (because of entropy etc...).

When you show him evidence of neolithic sites that are 10000+ years old, he will ignore it and say that the age cannot be determined, wait for it, because Bible says the Earth is 6000 years old and the flood happened 4000 ago so it is not possible.

I think he sits on the fence about the flat Earth model as described in the Bible.  I'm not sure he has a story about that.  Probably will say that Bible describes accurately the whole universe. Just like Muslim morons claim that Quran has scientific truths etc.

All religious people are delusional, the question is how severe the delusions are.

You are mistaken about what I understand and the things that I believe. While there might be a few half-truths in the things that you say, you apparently haven't looked at my posts. Or, you are intentionally skewing the things that I have posted so that you can maintain your atheism religion.

[stats]

What is so scary about contacting your own subconscious? I say we should let the truth about the mind be revealed, you will not be deceived by demons if you practice self-inquiry and self-hypnosis, both are proper tools in the life of the seeker but religions will normally work to supress the truth about personal power.

The danger is this. We have trouble finding truth with people. How are we going to determine truth if we contact spirits?

The inner mind has always held ways to contact spirits. The complexity of mind is one of the things that keeps spirits out. When we open up the parts of the inner to direct contact from our outer mind, we open up contact with the spirits.

We have very little control of inner mind. The spirits are often deceptive, teaching things outside of the realms of things that we can control easily. They can open us up to false things as well as true things, but we won't know the difference.

In addition, the complexity of the mind is so great that we don't easily understand what we are looking at when our inner mind feeds us some of its own data.

Stay away from contacting your inner self if you want to stay away from opening up a path for spirits to feed you their information. You won't be able to distinguish the truth from falsehood. Many people that have done this, have gone insane, or else lost control of their own thinking and belief system.

That is exactly the time when you lose your mind.  

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.

When you talk to God, you are religious.
When God talks back to you, you are insane.

When you think that God doesn't exist, you are religious.

When you don't accept the proof of the existence of God that nature and science show, you are insane.

Links to the proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

There is no proof.  I am sane, you are not.

Are you like stats? Another joker who can't rebut the science, but says there is no proof? Go on. Systematically rebut and refute if you can. Otherwise, thanks again for helping to show that the proof stands, and that you have a religion in atheism.

Been rebutted.... you just fail to admit it.

Now it's your turn..... prove it!

@af_newbie  I am happy living in a world of truth and reality, how about you?

stats,

BADecker is a lunatic.  He convinced himself that his twisted half truths about entropy, cause and effect and Bible text are absolute proof that God exists, and he fails to accept the fact that Bible is a collection of writings by 40+ uneducated bronze age people, written over the course of 2500 years.  On top of that he denies evolution, the age of Earth and the age of the universe.  He conveniently ignores the fact that entropy here on Earth has been decreasing, thanks to the constant energy input from the Sun.

Basically, he is delusional.  He needs decades of deprogramming to get him out of that 'thinking framework' that his cult put him in.

I think the scientific discussion should end when a person says that Earth is 6000 years old, or that we did not evolved from monkeys.

When I confronted BADecker about the age of Earth by showing him pictures of 9000+ years old, LIVING trees in Sweden, he said that people who counted the rings made a mistake, then he implied that maybe the trees grew more rings per year in the past (because of entropy etc...).

When you show him evidence of neolithic sites that are 10000+ years old, he will ignore it and say that the age cannot be determined, wait for it, because Bible says the Earth is 6000 years old and the flood happened 4000 ago so it is not possible.

I think he sits on the fence about the flat Earth model as described in the Bible.  I'm not sure he has a story about that.  Probably will say that Bible describes accurately the whole universe. Just like Muslim morons claim that Quran has scientific truths etc.

All religious people are delusional, the question is how severe the delusions are.

You are mistaken about what I understand and the things that I believe. While there might be a few half-truths in the things that you say, you apparently haven't looked at my posts. Or, you are intentionally skewing the things that I have posted so that you can maintain your atheism religion.

The reality of the situation is that your arguments and links have been rebutted.

Just because you choose not to believe it does not make your beliefs correct and the rebuttal wrong.

@af_newbie.....  I agree..... he is delusional and needs a lot of deprogramming.

[FlightyPouch]

I follow my religion and health practices and till now i am not worried about anything nor do i have any medical conditions that are serious.  I would rather not bother about these issues and look for a brighter thing that would soothe my brains . 

If you think about it. These 2 really come hand in hand. Religion is pretty much the guidelines of the things that make you feel at peace. If you are not sure that you are at peace. Then you can't really say that you are free from stress. Well this is my take on this. Just saying..

I think you are right. And also health and religion affect each other sometimes. There are instances that health is affects religions, and religion affects health. And when think really hard, you will say, the health that affects the religion caused the religion affects health.

[CoinCube]

...
When you talk to God, you are religious.
When God talks back to you, you are insane.

When you think that God doesn't exist, you are religious.

When you don't accept the proof of the existence of God that nature and science show, you are insane.
...

There is no proof.  I am sane, you are not.

Far be it for me to interject here but I am fairly confident you are both sane.
Here is a nice little quote on this topic from Tod Chamberlain. Maybe it will help?

What Is The Nature Of Reality?
https://philosophynow.org/issues/61/What_Is_The_Nature_Of_Reality

"What’s the problem? Isn’t it enough that things are as they are? No, because we are sometimes deceived. We need to tell the difference between hard ground and marsh that only looks hard. We need to know whether something is a bear or only a child with a bearskin rug over its head. We have evolved to tell the real from the false. Injure the brain and the victim may lose their sense of reality. When you have flu the familiar world can seem unreal. You might as well ask “What is the nature of ‘upright’?”

The real is the genuine, the reliable, what I can safely lean on. It is akin to truthful, valuable, even delightful. Its opposite is not illusion, but the fake, the counterfeit, that which can’t be trusted, has no cash value. Theatre, television, paintings, literature deal in illusion but can be real in the sense that they nurture and enlarge us, help to make sense of experience. When they fail in this, they feel unreal, they don’t ring true. They are false, they fail as art. Theatre and everyday life overlap – although the murderer in the play is not prosecuted. Psychotherapists know how people act out ‘scripts’ which they can rewrite to invent a new reality. It may not matter if the story of my life is real or invented, until a lawyer asks if I am really the person mentioned in my long-lost uncle’s will.

Electrons, energy, valency, spin are real in so far as the scientific structure they form part of explains what we experience. Phlogiston no longer makes sense, so it has lost its claim to reality, as a banknote which goes out of circulation becomes a piece of paper. Promises, agreements, treaties are real only so long as they can be trusted. Some plans and commitments are called unreal because we know they will come to nothing.

To take the big question: is God real? ‘Real’ I find more meaningful than the ‘existence’ question. We cannot prove the existence of the electron or alpha particles or even such matters as market forces, compassion or philosophy. But we see their effects, and assuming they are real makes sense of great swathes of our experience. God is at least as real as an idea like ‘compassion’."

[Okurkabinladin]

I had an IQ of 160 once upon a time. It's probably about 100 less now. I regard the religious as mentally ill. I have zero desire to procreate and think the world's a fuckhole. Hey, I guess you're right.

I doubt anyone with IQ over 100 and age over 16 would have written sober, that "world´s a fuckhole". Especially, if you were born and raised in first world country. It is important to believe into something. Smart people know that.

On a sidenote. Wise man once said, that people dont have ideologies, ideologies have people. Making your own personal dogma is thus the better way, as you wont end up property of someone else.

[BADecker]

What is so scary about contacting your own subconscious? I say we should let the truth about the mind be revealed, you will not be deceived by demons if you practice self-inquiry and self-hypnosis, both are proper tools in the life of the seeker but religions will normally work to supress the truth about personal power.

The danger is this. We have trouble finding truth with people. How are we going to determine truth if we contact spirits?

The inner mind has always held ways to contact spirits. The complexity of mind is one of the things that keeps spirits out. When we open up the parts of the inner to direct contact from our outer mind, we open up contact with the spirits.

We have very little control of inner mind. The spirits are often deceptive, teaching things outside of the realms of things that we can control easily. They can open us up to false things as well as true things, but we won't know the difference.

In addition, the complexity of the mind is so great that we don't easily understand what we are looking at when our inner mind feeds us some of its own data.

Stay away from contacting your inner self if you want to stay away from opening up a path for spirits to feed you their information. You won't be able to distinguish the truth from falsehood. Many people that have done this, have gone insane, or else lost control of their own thinking and belief system.

That is exactly the time when you lose your mind.  

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.

When you talk to God, you are religious.
When God talks back to you, you are insane.

When you think that God doesn't exist, you are religious.

When you don't accept the proof of the existence of God that nature and science show, you are insane.

Links to the proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

There is no proof.  I am sane, you are not.

Are you like stats? Another joker who can't rebut the science, but says there is no proof? Go on. Systematically rebut and refute if you can. Otherwise, thanks again for helping to show that the proof stands, and that you have a religion in atheism.

Been rebutted.... you just fail to admit it.

Now it's your turn..... prove it!

@af_newbie  I am happy living in a world of truth and reality, how about you?

stats,

BADecker is a lunatic.  He convinced himself that his twisted half truths about entropy, cause and effect and Bible text are absolute proof that God exists, and he fails to accept the fact that Bible is a collection of writings by 40+ uneducated bronze age people, written over the course of 2500 years.  On top of that he denies evolution, the age of Earth and the age of the universe.  He conveniently ignores the fact that entropy here on Earth has been decreasing, thanks to the constant energy input from the Sun.

Basically, he is delusional.  He needs decades of deprogramming to get him out of that 'thinking framework' that his cult put him in.

I think the scientific discussion should end when a person says that Earth is 6000 years old, or that we did not evolved from monkeys.

When I confronted BADecker about the age of Earth by showing him pictures of 9000+ years old, LIVING trees in Sweden, he said that people who counted the rings made a mistake, then he implied that maybe the trees grew more rings per year in the past (because of entropy etc...).

When you show him evidence of neolithic sites that are 10000+ years old, he will ignore it and say that the age cannot be determined, wait for it, because Bible says the Earth is 6000 years old and the flood happened 4000 ago so it is not possible.

I think he sits on the fence about the flat Earth model as described in the Bible.  I'm not sure he has a story about that.  Probably will say that Bible describes accurately the whole universe. Just like Muslim morons claim that Quran has scientific truths etc.

All religious people are delusional, the question is how severe the delusions are.

You are mistaken about what I understand and the things that I believe. While there might be a few half-truths in the things that you say, you apparently haven't looked at my posts. Or, you are intentionally skewing the things that I have posted so that you can maintain your atheism religion.

The reality of the situation is that your arguments and links have been rebutted.

Just because you choose not to believe it does not make your beliefs correct and the rebuttal wrong.

@af_newbie.....  I agree..... he is delusional and needs a lot of deprogramming.

Thank you for rebutting my talk. Now rebut the proof that God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Oh, that's right. You have failed miserably in the past. Why? Because God exists.

[stats]

What is so scary about contacting your own subconscious? I say we should let the truth about the mind be revealed, you will not be deceived by demons if you practice self-inquiry and self-hypnosis, both are proper tools in the life of the seeker but religions will normally work to supress the truth about personal power.

The danger is this. We have trouble finding truth with people. How are we going to determine truth if we contact spirits?

The inner mind has always held ways to contact spirits. The complexity of mind is one of the things that keeps spirits out. When we open up the parts of the inner to direct contact from our outer mind, we open up contact with the spirits.

We have very little control of inner mind. The spirits are often deceptive, teaching things outside of the realms of things that we can control easily. They can open us up to false things as well as true things, but we won't know the difference.

In addition, the complexity of the mind is so great that we don't easily understand what we are looking at when our inner mind feeds us some of its own data.

Stay away from contacting your inner self if you want to stay away from opening up a path for spirits to feed you their information. You won't be able to distinguish the truth from falsehood. Many people that have done this, have gone insane, or else lost control of their own thinking and belief system.

That is exactly the time when you lose your mind.  

There are no spirits.  That is the reality.

When you talk to God, you are religious.
When God talks back to you, you are insane.

When you think that God doesn't exist, you are religious.

When you don't accept the proof of the existence of God that nature and science show, you are insane.

Links to the proof:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

There is no proof.  I am sane, you are not.

Are you like stats? Another joker who can't rebut the science, but says there is no proof? Go on. Systematically rebut and refute if you can. Otherwise, thanks again for helping to show that the proof stands, and that you have a religion in atheism.

Been rebutted.... you just fail to admit it.

Now it's your turn..... prove it!

@af_newbie  I am happy living in a world of truth and reality, how about you?

stats,

BADecker is a lunatic.  He convinced himself that his twisted half truths about entropy, cause and effect and Bible text are absolute proof that God exists, and he fails to accept the fact that Bible is a collection of writings by 40+ uneducated bronze age people, written over the course of 2500 years.  On top of that he denies evolution, the age of Earth and the age of the universe.  He conveniently ignores the fact that entropy here on Earth has been decreasing, thanks to the constant energy input from the Sun.

Basically, he is delusional.  He needs decades of deprogramming to get him out of that 'thinking framework' that his cult put him in.

I think the scientific discussion should end when a person says that Earth is 6000 years old, or that we did not evolved from monkeys.

When I confronted BADecker about the age of Earth by showing him pictures of 9000+ years old, LIVING trees in Sweden, he said that people who counted the rings made a mistake, then he implied that maybe the trees grew more rings per year in the past (because of entropy etc...).

When you show him evidence of neolithic sites that are 10000+ years old, he will ignore it and say that the age cannot be determined, wait for it, because Bible says the Earth is 6000 years old and the flood happened 4000 ago so it is not possible.

I think he sits on the fence about the flat Earth model as described in the Bible.  I'm not sure he has a story about that.  Probably will say that Bible describes accurately the whole universe. Just like Muslim morons claim that Quran has scientific truths etc.

All religious people are delusional, the question is how severe the delusions are.

You are mistaken about what I understand and the things that I believe. While there might be a few half-truths in the things that you say, you apparently haven't looked at my posts. Or, you are intentionally skewing the things that I have posted so that you can maintain your atheism religion.

The reality of the situation is that your arguments and links have been rebutted.

Just because you choose not to believe it does not make your beliefs correct and the rebuttal wrong.

@af_newbie.....  I agree..... he is delusional and needs a lot of deprogramming.

Thank you for rebutting my talk. Now rebut the proof that God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Oh, that's right. You have failed miserably in the past. Why? Because God exists.

Has been rebutted but you do not recognise it.

Therefore, to use your exact same logic..... Your links are not proof. Give me proof.

The reality of the situation is that you are blinded by any other reality than what you believe and when it is rebutted, you simply say it isn't rebutted. Well the same principal will now apply and I will call it the "BADecker principle". Your links are not proof so give me proof.

[qwik2learn]

If an atheist reads the AECES Top 40 with an open mind, it will be like reading 40 different real word examples of GOD. The humanist will reject "spiritual" thinking in error, these cases are PROOF of that error, i.e. the humanist cannot rationally connect a plausible explanation to the facts at hand.

[BADecker]

Thank you for rebutting my talk. Now rebut the proof that God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Oh, that's right. You have failed miserably in the past. Why? Because God exists.

Has been rebutted but you do not recognise it.

Therefore, to use your exact same logic..... Your links are not proof. Give me proof.

The reality of the situation is that you are blinded by any other reality than what you believe and when it is rebutted, you simply say it isn't rebutted. Well the same principal will now apply and I will call it the "BADecker principle". Your links are not proof so give me proof.

Still waiting for you to show the rebuttal, rather than flimsy words that suggest that there is rebuttal.

[CoinCube]

'Silver scrolls' are oldest O.T. scripture, archaeologist says
http://www.bpnews.net/17741

While excavating a burial tomb near Jerusalem in 1979, Gabriel Barkay uncovered the oldest known copy of Old Testament scripture. The priestly blessing, recorded in Numbers 6:24-26, was discovered on two small silver scrolls dated to the 7th century B.C.
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“The importance of the Ketef Hinnom inscriptions tends to be overlooked among students and pastors,” Ortiz said. “These scrolls are significant for the dating of the Old Testament. They provide evidence of the antiquity of the Bible.”

The two silver scrolls were discovered by Barkay’s team in a rock-hewn burial cave southwest of the ancient city of Jerusalem. The structure of the tomb was of interest to Barkay because it dated to the First Temple period, but it appeared that over centuries looters had taken all the artifacts. The tomb had last been used for storing Turkish army rifles during the Ottoman period.

However, Barkay and his team discovered that some artifacts had been preserved in a bone repository in the tomb. When a family member died, he or she was placed on a burial bench in the tomb along with personal items such as vases and jewelry, Barkay explained. After the dead body decayed, the bones were collected and placed in a bone repository located in a separate area of the tomb. The practice is referred to in the Old Testament as being “gathered unto his fathers.”

At some point a layer of the repository’s ceiling broke lose and covered the collected bones and personal items. Barkay said that the piece of ceiling appeared to be nothing more than the repository floor. An Israeli schoolboy helping clean the repository during excavations accidentally broke through the layer, revealing many bones and artifacts below.

As the team sifted through the items in repository, they discovered the two scrolls. After the initial discovery in 1979, scholars had the daunting task of unrolling and deciphering the text. They had no idea how important the find would be.

“It took us three years to unroll it [the larger scroll],” Barkay said. “When unrolled, it was covered with very delicately scratched characters. The first word we could decipher was the ‘YHWH’ –- sometimes anglicized as ‘Jehovah.’ This is the name of the Lord in the Hebrew Bible.”

Until this time no inscriptions with the name of God had been found in Jerusalem.

The larger of the two scrolls was only about three inches long when it was unrolled. The smaller one was just over two inches long. Barkay said the thin fragile silver of each scroll was etched with 19 lines of tiny, Hebrew script. It was years before researchers realized that the inscription was an almost exact representation of the priestly blessing found in Numbers. Careful study revealed that the Hebrew characters used were distinctive of the 7th century B.C.

In English the verses read: “The LORD bless you and keep you; The LORD make His face shine upon you, And be gracious to you; The LORD lift up His countenance upon you, And give you peace.”
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[Tyrantt]

I follow my religion and health practices and till now i am not worried about anything nor do i have any medical conditions that are serious.  I would rather not bother about these issues and look for a brighter thing that would soothe my brains . 

I don't follow any religion, but my own way and do not have any medical conditions that are serious. I just hope that you don't deal with problems in life like you said here, not bothering but turning head away.

[BADecker]

I follow my religion and health practices and till now i am not worried about anything nor do i have any medical conditions that are serious.  I would rather not bother about these issues and look for a brighter thing that would soothe my brains . 

I don't follow any religion, but my own way and do not have any medical conditions that are serious. I just hope that you don't deal with problems in life like you said here, not bothering but turning head away.

Yep! Old age creeps in so slowly that people often think that they don't have any disease condition. Since the medical doesn't have a handle on old age, old age obviously isn't a medical condition.

[stats]

Thank you for rebutting my talk. Now rebut the proof that God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Oh, that's right. You have failed miserably in the past. Why? Because God exists.

Has been rebutted but you do not recognise it.

Therefore, to use your exact same logic..... Your links are not proof. Give me proof.

The reality of the situation is that you are blinded by any other reality than what you believe and when it is rebutted, you simply say it isn't rebutted. Well the same principal will now apply and I will call it the "BADecker principle". Your links are not proof so give me proof.

Still waiting for you to show the rebuttal, rather than flimsy words that suggest that there is rebuttal.

BADecker principle rule number 1: If a point of discussion does not meet criteria of one's own belief, then ignore it and claim it is wrong.

Therefore, your proof is wrong, so please give me more proof.

Besides, it is up to you to prove your god, not me to disprove. But when you say it is real, I will ask for proof.