Health and Religion

[BADecker]

Personally I will be going to Mars where hopefully we have no religion.

You'll be dead long before you get there... and more than likely even off the ground.

We will get there in 10-20 years, not thanks to god, thanks to science because as you can see science works, religion doesn't.

Thousands or millions of people were delayed on their way to the corner store. And you think you know we will make it to Mars? LOL!

However, if that is your religion, and if it improves your health somehow, more power to you.

 

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[Astargath]

Personally I will be going to Mars where hopefully we have no religion.

You'll be dead long before you get there... and more than likely even off the ground.

We will get there in 10-20 years, not thanks to god, thanks to science because as you can see science works, religion doesn't.

Thousands or millions of people were delayed on their way to the corner store. And you think you know we will make it to Mars? LOL!

However, if that is your religion, and if it improves your health somehow, more power to you.

 

Curiosity landed on mars like 5 years ago dude, welcome to the future, yes I know it's not a human but 7 landings of unmanned spacecrafts have been successful. It's not me saying it. ''SpaceX' aspirational goal is to land the first humans on Mars by 2024'' Obviously we can't be sure but it's really not that hard to think it will happen in 10-20 years at most. 

[BADecker]

Personally I will be going to Mars where hopefully we have no religion.

You'll be dead long before you get there... and more than likely even off the ground.

We will get there in 10-20 years, not thanks to god, thanks to science because as you can see science works, religion doesn't.

Thousands or millions of people were delayed on their way to the corner store. And you think you know we will make it to Mars? LOL!

However, if that is your religion, and if it improves your health somehow, more power to you.

 

Curiosity landed on mars like 5 years ago dude, welcome to the future, yes I know it's not a human but 7 landings of unmanned spacecrafts have been successful. It's not me saying it. ''SpaceX' aspirational goal is to land the first humans on Mars by 2024'' Obviously we can't be sure but it's really not that hard to think it will happen in 10-20 years at most. 

Many events happened, like, 5 years ago. What does any of that have to do with you being able to predict the future? If it happens as you say, it wasn't because any of your predictions were know to be factual ahead of time. All it means is that your guess was the guess that happened... right along with the guess of thousands of others who guessed the same way.

[inlovewith]

Just one to mention one thing, height doesn't have anything to do with intelligence, like you mentioned in the OP. Unless they are taller because they had better nutrition growing up, which does affect intelligence.

[CoinCube]

Just one to mention one thing, height doesn't have anything to do with intelligence, like you mentioned in the OP. Unless they are taller because they had better nutrition growing up, which does affect intelligence.

Height and IQ are positively correlated in children. I do not know how much of this effect is due to nutrition. However, the studies I cited were done in the US in the 1920s which so poor nutrition would presumably have been less of an issue. Here is a discussion from earlier in the thread where I highlighted my source for this.

Those gifted with superior intellect are not only smarter, they are also taller, healthier, and more athletic than average.

Let's start with your first claim

You are claiming that people with high IQ are also taller, healthier, and more athletic

Where the hell did you get that idea?

The original studies are old and to my knowledge not available online but a summary can be found here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Terman

Terman found his answers in his longitudinal study on gifted children: Genetic Studies of Genius.[12] Initiated in 1921, the Genetic Studies of Genius was from the outset a long-term study of gifted children. Published in five volumes, Terman followed children with extremely high IQ in childhood throughout their lives. The fifth volume examined the children in a 35 year follow-up, and looked at the gifted group during mid-life.[13]

Genetic Studies of Genius revealed that gifted and genius children were in at least as good as average health and had normal personalities. Few of them demonstrated the previously-held negative stereotypes of gifted children. He found that gifted children did not fit the existing stereotypes often associated with them: they were not weak and sickly social misfits, but in fact were generally taller, in better health, better developed physically, and better adapted socially than other children. The children included in his studies were colloquially referred to as "Termites".[14] The gifted children thrived both socially and academically. In relationships, they were a less likely to divorce.[6]
Additionally, those in the gifted group were generally successful in their careers: Many received awards recognizing their achievements. Though many of the children (affectionately known as “Termites” [6]) reached exceptional heights in adulthood, not all did. Terman explored the causes of obvious talent not being realized, exploring personal obstacles, education, and lack of opportunity as causes.[9]

[Astargath]

Personally I will be going to Mars where hopefully we have no religion.

You'll be dead long before you get there... and more than likely even off the ground.

We will get there in 10-20 years, not thanks to god, thanks to science because as you can see science works, religion doesn't.

Thousands or millions of people were delayed on their way to the corner store. And you think you know we will make it to Mars? LOL!

However, if that is your religion, and if it improves your health somehow, more power to you.

 

Curiosity landed on mars like 5 years ago dude, welcome to the future, yes I know it's not a human but 7 landings of unmanned spacecrafts have been successful. It's not me saying it. ''SpaceX' aspirational goal is to land the first humans on Mars by 2024'' Obviously we can't be sure but it's really not that hard to think it will happen in 10-20 years at most. 

Many events happened, like, 5 years ago. What does any of that have to do with you being able to predict the future? If it happens as you say, it wasn't because any of your predictions were know to be factual ahead of time. All it means is that your guess was the guess that happened... right along with the guess of thousands of others who guessed the same way.

It's not a prediction, the first man made mission is set to be around 2024, considering that it might have some delay or problems, the 10-20 years estimation is more than generous, 2024 is 6 years from now.

[BADecker]

Many events happened, like, 5 years ago. What does any of that have to do with you being able to predict the future? If it happens as you say, it wasn't because any of your predictions were know to be factual ahead of time. All it means is that your guess was the guess that happened... right along with the guess of thousands of others who guessed the same way.

It's not a prediction, the first man made mission is set to be around 2024, considering that it might have some delay or problems, the 10-20 years estimation is more than generous, 2024 is 6 years from now.

There are multitudes of unforeseen things that might stop it easily. Consider Bitcoin. In less that 10 years of Bitcoin beta, Bitcoin has made a dent in the more-than-100-y-o financial system. In addition, the petrodollar is collapsing because other countries are moving away from it to things like crypto or gold. Will the USD be able to stand so that it can support Mars plans? We don't know the future.

[Astargath]

Many events happened, like, 5 years ago. What does any of that have to do with you being able to predict the future? If it happens as you say, it wasn't because any of your predictions were know to be factual ahead of time. All it means is that your guess was the guess that happened... right along with the guess of thousands of others who guessed the same way.

It's not a prediction, the first man made mission is set to be around 2024, considering that it might have some delay or problems, the 10-20 years estimation is more than generous, 2024 is 6 years from now.

There are multitudes of unforeseen things that might stop it easily. Consider Bitcoin. In less that 10 years of Bitcoin beta, Bitcoin has made a dent in the more-than-100-y-o financial system. In addition, the petrodollar is collapsing because other countries are moving away from it to things like crypto or gold. Will the USD be able to stand so that it can support Mars plans? We don't know the future.

I know science works, we are certainly never going to mars thanks to prayer so go back to your cave.

[BADecker]

I know science works, we are certainly never going to mars thanks to prayer so go back to your cave.

Your basic science that you use is political science. Your post doesn't have anything to do with the fact that you don't know the future. The way you posted is political science in form.

Since you don't know that we might go to Mars because of prayer, yet state the opposite, you show that you don't really know anything.

Luke 16:8,9:

“The master commended the dishonest manager because he had acted shrewdly. For the people of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own kind than are the people of the light. I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.

So you see. Unbelievers are very shrewd. But like the dishonest manager that these verses are in references to, they will ultimately be kicked out. However, you probably won't understand this.

[Astargath]

I know science works, we are certainly never going to mars thanks to prayer so go back to your cave.

Your basic science that you use is political science. Your post doesn't have anything to do with the fact that you don't know the future. The way you posted is political science in form.

Since you don't know that we might go to Mars because of prayer, yet state the opposite, you show that you don't really know anything.

Luke 16:8,9:

“The master commended the dishonest manager because he had acted shrewdly. For the people of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own kind than are the people of the light. I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.

So you see. Unbelievers are very shrewd. But like the dishonest manager that these verses are in references to, they will ultimately be kicked out. However, you probably won't understand this.

Since prayer has never given someone a limb back, for example, I know for a fact prayer does not work, plenty of studies have been made, prayer is useless.

[BADecker]

I know science works, we are certainly never going to mars thanks to prayer so go back to your cave.

Your basic science that you use is political science. Your post doesn't have anything to do with the fact that you don't know the future. The way you posted is political science in form.

Since you don't know that we might go to Mars because of prayer, yet state the opposite, you show that you don't really know anything.

Luke 16:8,9:

“The master commended the dishonest manager because he had acted shrewdly. For the people of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own kind than are the people of the light. I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.

So you see. Unbelievers are very shrewd. But like the dishonest manager that these verses are in references to, they will ultimately be kicked out. However, you probably won't understand this.

Since prayer has never given someone a limb back, for example, I know for a fact prayer does not work, plenty of studies have been made, prayer is useless.

Many people pray for all kinds of medical help. All medical that works is a gift of God despite the medical system that is greedy for money. Prayer without faith is not prayer, even though it might seem to be. The studies are not taking faith into account.

God doesn't simply answer prayers for a show. He does it for people who are in need. Luke 20:1-8:

1One day as Jesus was teaching the people in the temple courts and proclaiming the good news, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, together with the elders, came up to him. 2“Tell us by what authority you are doing these things,” they said. “Who gave you this authority?”

3He replied, “I will also ask you a question. Tell me: 4John’s baptism—was it from heaven, or of human origin?”

5They discussed it among themselves and said, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ he will ask, ‘Why didn’t you believe him?’ 6But if we say, ‘Of human origin,’ all the people will stone us, because they are persuaded that John was a prophet.”

7So they answered, “We don’t know where it was from.”

8Jesus said, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I am doing these things.”

[CoinCube]

Eye for an Eye: One of the Greatest Ideas in History
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UrakW1DjApo

[Astargath]

I know science works, we are certainly never going to mars thanks to prayer so go back to your cave.

Your basic science that you use is political science. Your post doesn't have anything to do with the fact that you don't know the future. The way you posted is political science in form.

Since you don't know that we might go to Mars because of prayer, yet state the opposite, you show that you don't really know anything.

Luke 16:8,9:

“The master commended the dishonest manager because he had acted shrewdly. For the people of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own kind than are the people of the light. I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.

So you see. Unbelievers are very shrewd. But like the dishonest manager that these verses are in references to, they will ultimately be kicked out. However, you probably won't understand this.

Since prayer has never given someone a limb back, for example, I know for a fact prayer does not work, plenty of studies have been made, prayer is useless.

Many people pray for all kinds of medical help. All medical that works is a gift of God despite the medical system that is greedy for money. Prayer without faith is not prayer, even though it might seem to be. The studies are not taking faith into account.

God doesn't simply answer prayers for a show. He does it for people who are in need. Luke 20:1-8:

1One day as Jesus was teaching the people in the temple courts and proclaiming the good news, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, together with the elders, came up to him. 2“Tell us by what authority you are doing these things,” they said. “Who gave you this authority?”

3He replied, “I will also ask you a question. Tell me: 4John’s baptism—was it from heaven, or of human origin?”

5They discussed it among themselves and said, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ he will ask, ‘Why didn’t you believe him?’ 6But if we say, ‘Of human origin,’ all the people will stone us, because they are persuaded that John was a prophet.”

7So they answered, “We don’t know where it was from.”

8Jesus said, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I am doing these things.”

God doesn't simply answer prayers for a show. He does it for people who are in need. Certainly someone who loses both arms and legs is someone in need and plenty of people that actually believe in god have been praying for them and yet it never happened. I guess god doesn't want to show us his existence that way, it would be too easy and it would make us atheists believe in him, he obviously doesn't want that

[BADecker]

God doesn't simply answer prayers for a show. He does it for people who are in need. Certainly someone who loses both arms and legs is someone in need and plenty of people that actually believe in god have been praying for them and yet it never happened. I guess god doesn't want to show us his existence that way, it would be too easy and it would make us atheists believe in him, he obviously doesn't want that

How really silly are you trying to be? Consider the following.

Make a real arm or leg. You can't do it. Science can't do it. After painstaking research, science is only finally finding out how to adapt the nature of a few animals that CAN regrow limbs, in such a way that they might possibly apply it to people someday. In other words, as far as science goes, regrowing limbs is still way beyond their reach.

What does this mean? This means that there is a lot of technology in growing arms and legs. Science doesn't have a clue, science is completely blind, regarding how to grow a limb from scratch without using some of the processes that nature has provided. To repeat, science has absolutely no idea as to how to take a bunch of chemicals and turn them into an arm or leg.

The point? The point is that regrowing an arm or leg requires a large amount of capability, way beyond anything that we can even imagine at this time.

So, where did you get your arms and legs that you have already? Didn't you get them free? Certainly you didn't buy them, right? You might have exercised them or trained them in certain ways, but if you hadn't gotten them free, there would be no way you could get them at all!

Again, the point is that there is a tremendous amount of "stuff" in the nature of arms an legs that is miraculous regarding anything that we can do to make them.

Now consider the miracles that Jesus did as recorded in the Bible. Some of them were done quite easily by Him. Look at the transfiguration of Jesus in Matthew 17. While Jesus and 3 of His disciples were on the mount of transfiguration, a man with a demon (epilepsy?) possessed son came to the disciples He had left behind at the foot of the mountain for help. But they couldn't heal the boy. The disciples couldn't cast the demon out as they had done at other times, possibly because it was epilepsy. Look at what happens when Jesus comes into the situation, Matthew 17:16-21:

"... 16I brought him to your disciples, but they couldn’t heal him.”

17Jesus replied, “You unbelieving and perverted generation! How long must I be with you? How long must I put up with you? Bring him here to me!” 18Then Jesus rebuked the demon and it came out of him, and the boy was healed that very hour.

19Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and asked, “Why couldn’t we drive it out?”

20He told them, “Because of your lack of faith. I tell all of you with certainty, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you. 21But this kind does not come out except by prayer and fasting.”

You won't ever get the things you desire along these lines of healing. Why not? No faith. The Bible section shown above shows why something as tremendous as regrowing arms and legs isn't being done in miraculous ways by more than a few people. They aren't praying and fasting enough in faith.

Again, why doesn't a small amount of prayer and fasting work to restore lost limbs? Because of the gigantic amount of "technology" within things like limbs. It is also why you lost any faith that you might have had years ago. You simply gave up when it didn't work out for you like you thought it should.

[Astargath]

God doesn't simply answer prayers for a show. He does it for people who are in need. Certainly someone who loses both arms and legs is someone in need and plenty of people that actually believe in god have been praying for them and yet it never happened. I guess god doesn't want to show us his existence that way, it would be too easy and it would make us atheists believe in him, he obviously doesn't want that

How really silly are you trying to be? Consider the following.

Make a real arm or leg. You can't do it. Science can't do it. After painstaking research, science is only finally finding out how to adapt the nature of a few animals that CAN regrow limbs, in such a way that they might possibly apply it to people someday. In other words, as far as science goes, regrowing limbs is still way beyond their reach.

What does this mean? This means that there is a lot of technology in growing arms and legs. Science doesn't have a clue, science is completely blind, regarding how to grow a limb from scratch without using some of the processes that nature has provided. To repeat, science has absolutely no idea as to how to take a bunch of chemicals and turn them into an arm or leg.

The point? The point is that regrowing an arm or leg requires a large amount of capability, way beyond anything that we can even imagine at this time.

So, where did you get your arms and legs that you have already? Didn't you get them free? Certainly you didn't buy them, right? You might have exercised them or trained them in certain ways, but if you hadn't gotten them free, there would be no way you could get them at all!

Again, the point is that there is a tremendous amount of "stuff" in the nature of arms an legs that is miraculous regarding anything that we can do to make them.

Now consider the miracles that Jesus did as recorded in the Bible. Some of them were done quite easily by Him. Look at the transfiguration of Jesus in Matthew 17. While Jesus and 3 of His disciples were on the mount of transfiguration, a man with a demon (epilepsy?) possessed son came to the disciples He had left behind at the foot of the mountain for help. But they couldn't heal the boy. The disciples couldn't cast the demon out as they had done at other times, possibly because it was epilepsy. Look at what happens when Jesus comes into the situation, Matthew 17:16-21:

"... 16I brought him to your disciples, but they couldn’t heal him.”

17Jesus replied, “You unbelieving and perverted generation! How long must I be with you? How long must I put up with you? Bring him here to me!” 18Then Jesus rebuked the demon and it came out of him, and the boy was healed that very hour.

19Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and asked, “Why couldn’t we drive it out?”

20He told them, “Because of your lack of faith. I tell all of you with certainty, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you. 21But this kind does not come out except by prayer and fasting.”

You won't ever get the things you desire along these lines of healing. Why not? No faith. The Bible section shown above shows why something as tremendous as regrowing arms and legs isn't being done in miraculous ways by more than a few people. They aren't praying and fasting enough in faith.

Again, why doesn't a small amount of prayer and fasting work to restore lost limbs? Because of the gigantic amount of "technology" within things like limbs. It is also why you lost any faith that you might have had years ago. You simply gave up when it didn't work out for you like you thought it should.

It's actually really funny how you are trying to justify it lol, you always give me a good laugh.

'' The point is that regrowing an arm or leg requires a large amount of capability, way beyond anything that we can even imagine at this time.'' Which is exactly the kind of miracle that would prove god's existence or at least make us wonder how the hell did that guy grow back a limb instantly?

''Again, why doesn't a small amount of prayer and fasting work to restore lost limbs? Because of the gigantic amount of "technology" within things like limbs.'' What is that even supposed to mean, that god answers prayers based on how much you pray and how difficult it is to do it? Well according to the bible it shouldn't be difficult at all, god is all powerful so growing a limb back is the same as healing a blind person, god doesn't find anything to be more difficult than anything, your argument is garbage.

[BADecker]

God doesn't simply answer prayers for a show. He does it for people who are in need. Certainly someone who loses both arms and legs is someone in need and plenty of people that actually believe in god have been praying for them and yet it never happened. I guess god doesn't want to show us his existence that way, it would be too easy and it would make us atheists believe in him, he obviously doesn't want that

How really silly are you trying to be? Consider the following.

Make a real arm or leg. You can't do it. Science can't do it. After painstaking research, science is only finally finding out how to adapt the nature of a few animals that CAN regrow limbs, in such a way that they might possibly apply it to people someday. In other words, as far as science goes, regrowing limbs is still way beyond their reach.

What does this mean? This means that there is a lot of technology in growing arms and legs. Science doesn't have a clue, science is completely blind, regarding how to grow a limb from scratch without using some of the processes that nature has provided. To repeat, science has absolutely no idea as to how to take a bunch of chemicals and turn them into an arm or leg.

The point? The point is that regrowing an arm or leg requires a large amount of capability, way beyond anything that we can even imagine at this time.

So, where did you get your arms and legs that you have already? Didn't you get them free? Certainly you didn't buy them, right? You might have exercised them or trained them in certain ways, but if you hadn't gotten them free, there would be no way you could get them at all!

Again, the point is that there is a tremendous amount of "stuff" in the nature of arms an legs that is miraculous regarding anything that we can do to make them.

Now consider the miracles that Jesus did as recorded in the Bible. Some of them were done quite easily by Him. Look at the transfiguration of Jesus in Matthew 17. While Jesus and 3 of His disciples were on the mount of transfiguration, a man with a demon (epilepsy?) possessed son came to the disciples He had left behind at the foot of the mountain for help. But they couldn't heal the boy. The disciples couldn't cast the demon out as they had done at other times, possibly because it was epilepsy. Look at what happens when Jesus comes into the situation, Matthew 17:16-21:

"... 16I brought him to your disciples, but they couldn’t heal him.”

17Jesus replied, “You unbelieving and perverted generation! How long must I be with you? How long must I put up with you? Bring him here to me!” 18Then Jesus rebuked the demon and it came out of him, and the boy was healed that very hour.

19Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and asked, “Why couldn’t we drive it out?”

20He told them, “Because of your lack of faith. I tell all of you with certainty, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you. 21But this kind does not come out except by prayer and fasting.”

You won't ever get the things you desire along these lines of healing. Why not? No faith. The Bible section shown above shows why something as tremendous as regrowing arms and legs isn't being done in miraculous ways by more than a few people. They aren't praying and fasting enough in faith.

Again, why doesn't a small amount of prayer and fasting work to restore lost limbs? Because of the gigantic amount of "technology" within things like limbs. It is also why you lost any faith that you might have had years ago. You simply gave up when it didn't work out for you like you thought it should.

It's actually really funny how you are trying to justify it lol, you always give me a good laugh.

'' The point is that regrowing an arm or leg requires a large amount of capability, way beyond anything that we can even imagine at this time.'' Which is exactly the kind of miracle that would prove god's existence or at least make us wonder how the hell did that guy grow back a limb instantly?

''Again, why doesn't a small amount of prayer and fasting work to restore lost limbs? Because of the gigantic amount of "technology" within things like limbs.'' What is that even supposed to mean, that god answers prayers based on how much you pray and how difficult it is to do it? Well according to the bible it shouldn't be difficult at all, god is all powerful so growing a limb back is the same as healing a blind person, god doesn't find anything to be more difficult than anything, your argument is garbage.

If it wasn't so serious, it might be funny how you think that explanation of things is justification for them.

You miss the proof for God's existence. The proof is the growing of limbs in the first place. The two basic reasons why some people don't recognize the miracles in life are:
1. They simply don't want to recognize the miraculous (aka fighting against God);
2. They are too distracted by other things to think about it.

The reasons why God doesn't answer your prayers on your terms are:
1. Now is the time to believe based on what exists. If God did direct miracles in the way you ask to make you believe, He would be taking away your free will to resist. God doesn't use that kind of force on you. Rather, He wants you to use your head to see that there is no way that things can exist without Him, and see such in the things that exist already;
2. God is not going to allow Himself to be forced or tricked into anything... not even into doing more miracles just so you can see them. It's not that you don't understand that God exists. Nature shows that He does. God simply is not going to succumb to the refusal of His enemies to acknowledge Him.

In other words, tough luck, buddy. You will get the results of your fighting against God. However, He is patient with you. Turn before His patience runs out.

[BADecker]

Consider the religion of war, and growing new limbs:

US Army developing a "Third Arm" for soldiers

The US Army isn't just looking to giving soldiers a hand, but a whole extra arm. At the Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland, the US Army Research Laboratory (ARL) is testing a prototype passive support system called Third Arm, which evenly distributes the weight of heavy weapons, allowing soldiers to use them with less fatigue and greater accuracy.

In the 1986 sci-fi classic Aliens, one of the signature props was the fictional M56 Smartgun, which was a dressed up MG42 machine gun stuck on a steadicam mount. This mount, which in reality connects a hand-held cine-camera to the operators body to stabilize it, made for some very cool action scenes and has now apparently inspired a real-life counterpart.

Mechanical engineer Dan Baechle has come up with a more advanced, more articulated, militarized version of the steadicam mount that can take the weight of a weapon off a soldier's arms. Third Arm is an unpowered, articulated frame made of composite materials that helps to distribute the weapon's weight while allowing enough range of motion to be practical on the battlefield.

Read more at https://newatlas.com/us-army-third-arm/54898/.

[Astargath]

God doesn't simply answer prayers for a show. He does it for people who are in need. Certainly someone who loses both arms and legs is someone in need and plenty of people that actually believe in god have been praying for them and yet it never happened. I guess god doesn't want to show us his existence that way, it would be too easy and it would make us atheists believe in him, he obviously doesn't want that

How really silly are you trying to be? Consider the following.

Make a real arm or leg. You can't do it. Science can't do it. After painstaking research, science is only finally finding out how to adapt the nature of a few animals that CAN regrow limbs, in such a way that they might possibly apply it to people someday. In other words, as far as science goes, regrowing limbs is still way beyond their reach.

What does this mean? This means that there is a lot of technology in growing arms and legs. Science doesn't have a clue, science is completely blind, regarding how to grow a limb from scratch without using some of the processes that nature has provided. To repeat, science has absolutely no idea as to how to take a bunch of chemicals and turn them into an arm or leg.

The point? The point is that regrowing an arm or leg requires a large amount of capability, way beyond anything that we can even imagine at this time.

So, where did you get your arms and legs that you have already? Didn't you get them free? Certainly you didn't buy them, right? You might have exercised them or trained them in certain ways, but if you hadn't gotten them free, there would be no way you could get them at all!

Again, the point is that there is a tremendous amount of "stuff" in the nature of arms an legs that is miraculous regarding anything that we can do to make them.

Now consider the miracles that Jesus did as recorded in the Bible. Some of them were done quite easily by Him. Look at the transfiguration of Jesus in Matthew 17. While Jesus and 3 of His disciples were on the mount of transfiguration, a man with a demon (epilepsy?) possessed son came to the disciples He had left behind at the foot of the mountain for help. But they couldn't heal the boy. The disciples couldn't cast the demon out as they had done at other times, possibly because it was epilepsy. Look at what happens when Jesus comes into the situation, Matthew 17:16-21:

"... 16I brought him to your disciples, but they couldn’t heal him.”

17Jesus replied, “You unbelieving and perverted generation! How long must I be with you? How long must I put up with you? Bring him here to me!” 18Then Jesus rebuked the demon and it came out of him, and the boy was healed that very hour.

19Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and asked, “Why couldn’t we drive it out?”

20He told them, “Because of your lack of faith. I tell all of you with certainty, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you. 21But this kind does not come out except by prayer and fasting.”

You won't ever get the things you desire along these lines of healing. Why not? No faith. The Bible section shown above shows why something as tremendous as regrowing arms and legs isn't being done in miraculous ways by more than a few people. They aren't praying and fasting enough in faith.

Again, why doesn't a small amount of prayer and fasting work to restore lost limbs? Because of the gigantic amount of "technology" within things like limbs. It is also why you lost any faith that you might have had years ago. You simply gave up when it didn't work out for you like you thought it should.

It's actually really funny how you are trying to justify it lol, you always give me a good laugh.

'' The point is that regrowing an arm or leg requires a large amount of capability, way beyond anything that we can even imagine at this time.'' Which is exactly the kind of miracle that would prove god's existence or at least make us wonder how the hell did that guy grow back a limb instantly?

''Again, why doesn't a small amount of prayer and fasting work to restore lost limbs? Because of the gigantic amount of "technology" within things like limbs.'' What is that even supposed to mean, that god answers prayers based on how much you pray and how difficult it is to do it? Well according to the bible it shouldn't be difficult at all, god is all powerful so growing a limb back is the same as healing a blind person, god doesn't find anything to be more difficult than anything, your argument is garbage.

If it wasn't so serious, it might be funny how you think that explanation of things is justification for them.

You miss the proof for God's existence. The proof is the growing of limbs in the first place. The two basic reasons why some people don't recognize the miracles in life are:
1. They simply don't want to recognize the miraculous (aka fighting against God);
2. They are too distracted by other things to think about it.

The reasons why God doesn't answer your prayers on your terms are:
1. Now is the time to believe based on what exists. If God did direct miracles in the way you ask to make you believe, He would be taking away your free will to resist. God doesn't use that kind of force on you. Rather, He wants you to use your head to see that there is no way that things can exist without Him, and see such in the things that exist already;
2. God is not going to allow Himself to be forced or tricked into anything... not even into doing more miracles just so you can see them. It's not that you don't understand that God exists. Nature shows that He does. God simply is not going to succumb to the refusal of His enemies to acknowledge Him.

In other words, tough luck, buddy. You will get the results of your fighting against God. However, He is patient with you. Turn before His patience runs out.

And again your argument exposes your own god.

1. If god doesn't direct miracles because that would take away my freedom why does he answer any prayer at all? Anything that he does would take away someone's freedom.

2. Evolution explains everything, there is no need for god, even the majority of religious people accept evolution.

[BADecker]

And again your argument exposes your own god.

1. If god doesn't direct miracles because that would take away my freedom why does he answer any prayer at all? Anything that he does would take away someone's freedom.

2. Evolution explains everything, there is no need for god, even the majority of religious people accept evolution.

God is your God, too. But if you continue to reject Him, you will lose Him, permanently, at your death.

1. When people recognize God enough to pray to Him in faith, He is answering prayer because they used their free choice to accept Him. He is simply doing what they are asking along with their formal prayer... strengthening their faith.

2. If evolution weren't science fiction, if there was even one proof that could be factually shown to be evolution rather than something else, if there was nothing against evolution that showed how impossible it is, then we might be able to guess that evolution could possibly be real.

In the other thread (which you never debunked, btw), the proofs for God show that He is real, besides being the only alternative to evolution sci-fi that people have been able to come up with.

[Astargath]

And again your argument exposes your own god.

1. If god doesn't direct miracles because that would take away my freedom why does he answer any prayer at all? Anything that he does would take away someone's freedom.

2. Evolution explains everything, there is no need for god, even the majority of religious people accept evolution.

God is your God, too. But if you continue to reject Him, you will lose Him, permanently, at your death.

1. When people recognize God enough to pray to Him in faith, He is answering prayer because they used their free choice to accept Him. He is simply doing what they are asking along with their formal prayer... strengthening their faith.

2. If evolution weren't science fiction, if there was even one proof that could be factually shown to be evolution rather than something else, if there was nothing against evolution that showed how impossible it is, then we might be able to guess that evolution could possibly be real.

In the other thread (which you never debunked, btw), the proofs for God show that He is real, besides being the only alternative to evolution sci-fi that people have been able to come up with.

1. Do you realize that strengthening their faith also takes their freedom away because he is reassuring them that he exists which is unfair for the other people since he doesn't help the ones that don't believe in him.


2. More and more religious people accept evolution, you are one of the few that don't.

In the other thread you haven't responded many times to my debunking, you simply copy paste some shitty sentence or you don't respond at all, you can check who commented last.