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February 16, 2013, 09:11:48 AM
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If these guys were planning to run a scam, I doubt they would have left such large amounts in the prize pools when they dropped the price of a ticket by a factor of 10.  They could quite justifiably have reduced each prize pool by a factor of 10, but decided not to.

Thanks dooglus, that is exactly the reason why we chose to keep the pools as the were, we wanted to be true to our word.

We didn't work for 6 months of working 10 hours a day (including weekends ) + investing over $50K ( 1300 BTC in Pools, plus Programming, plus Design, etc ) for nothing. We are here for the long run.

That is why I think its important for the Bitcoin Community to build successful businesses, operators of the businesses that do not make money eventually either close their doors or worst yet, run aways. Operators of profitable businesses that are making money, like to keep their businesses running as long as possible.

Our best interest is that users like our game and keeps playing it, that is how we make money so we can to keep developing new sites, games, applications for more devices, etc... to grown the Bitcoin economy.

In my opinion, that is the only possible way that this amazing new currency can succeed.

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February 16, 2013, 01:24:16 PM
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Basically this. Everything is broken and doesn't work. It's going to turn out these guys are going to be some sort of scam they have it written all over them.

The guy who was complaining was basically mistaken about everything.  He didn't realise there are multiple ways of contacting the site owners, and didn't understand that everyone sees the same deposit address, and that you're meant to use your sending address when searching.

None of his criticisms were really anything that needed fixing, except perhaps that things need to be clearer on the site.

If these guys were planning to run a scam, I doubt they would have left such large amounts in the prize pools when they dropped the price of a ticket by a factor of 10.  They could quite justifiably have reduced each prize pool by a factor of 10, but decided not to.

I wasn't mistaken- there is no kind of customer support on the site whatsoever.  I stand by that.  Also I have a lot of other questions that are not based on me being mistaken but on the site giving me false information.  I was shown two tickets but suddenly something has been changed  and now I see only one ticket.  I Bet 0.1 bitcoin and got .02 bitcoin back, but the two tickets were showing a lot more than that.  They were showing a profit as ShaTwo confirmed.  There is a lot of confusion about what happens to these "tickets". 

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February 16, 2013, 11:01:23 PM
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I wasn't mistaken- there is no kind of customer support on the site whatsoever.  I stand by that.

https://bitmillions.com/about has these links for support:



Also I have a lot of other questions that are not based on me being mistaken but on the site giving me false information.  I was shown two tickets but suddenly something has been changed  and now I see only one ticket.  I Bet 0.1 bitcoin and got .02 bitcoin back, but the two tickets were showing a lot more than that.  They were showing a profit as ShaTwo confirmed.  There is a lot of confusion about what happens to these "tickets". 

Fair enough.  I thought most of the confusion was caused by you not understanding that you were meant to use your sending address, not the site's receiving address.  I stand corrected.

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February 16, 2013, 11:22:13 PM
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This is pretty much to be expected given how the draws are generated, but FWIW:

Code:
In := DistributionFitTest[numbersDrawn, DiscreteUniformDistribution[{0, 99}]
Out = 0.776266

That's the P-value for a Pearson chi squared test against the last 1000 draws with null hypothesis that the numbers are drawn from a uniform distribution between 0 and 99; a P value of 0.776 rejects the possibility of non-uniform draws with high confidence. So that's good Smiley
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February 17, 2013, 01:39:55 AM
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TipTopGemDotCom, seam like you are a very confused...

I wasn't mistaken- there is no kind of customer support on the site whatsoever.  I stand by that.  Also I have a lot of other questions that are not based on me being mistaken but on the site giving me false information.

Again, so far you been the person who asked more questions and received more answers that any other player, so I honestly can't understand why you keep saying this.

I was shown two tickets but suddenly something has been changed and now I see only one ticket.  

Based on the information you sent me, I can see you are betting from 2 different addresses:

1 Ticket from https://bitmillions.com/address/19CU1e8gLYmhLXDLKrjsbGsQtuSZk3vQEF
2 Tickets from https://bitmillions.com/address/18E81JFWYYvUXrVfgmTU7J5tTH57BUAhXw

I Bet 0.1 bitcoin and got .02 bitcoin back

Based on the ticket you sent me:
https://bitmillions.com/tickets/44105098c52b79dca5915547c138333c8944a56fa14ae3229b05b4185b076342:0

Receiving 0.02 BTC seams to be correct. Here is the link to the payment transaction:
http://blockchain.info/tx/1336f20951725a4d2fb1c4c4429ff4b27a02473ed7848d2e12b14448f328daa9

But the two tickets were showing a lot more than that.

I guess you are referring to the ticket you played on the other address:
2 Tickets from https://bitmillions.com/address/18E81JFWYYvUXrVfgmTU7J5tTH57BUAhXw

You can see those 2 tickets where correctly paid to the following address:
http://blockchain.info/address/18E81JFWYYvUXrVfgmTU7J5tTH57BUAhXw

They were showing a profit as ShaTwo confirmed.  There is a lot of confusion about what happens to these "tickets".  

I would rephrase this as "I am very confused about what happened to these "tickets"

Also I already gave you my email address, you can the IRC Channel, you can PM ( As you already did a few times ), so I honestly don't understand why you keep claiming that we don't provide customer support.

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February 17, 2013, 10:43:42 AM
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My questions about the tickets have been answered.  I maintain that twitter, facebook, etc are no way to provide customer support.  A contact form is acceptable or an email address and both of these should be on the site.  Charly, I think you are not prepared for any kind of criticism and this reflects very badly on you.

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February 17, 2013, 04:50:21 PM
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My questions about the tickets have been answered.  I maintain that twitter, facebook, etc are no way to provide customer support.  A contact form is acceptable or an email address and both of these should be on the site.

I have to agree with this, as to use any of the four ways to contact you(bitmillions), I must have an account in one of the them. A contact form or even an email in your site will facilitate a lot the comunication.


Charly, I think you are not prepared for any kind of criticism and this reflects very badly on you.

I have to disagree with this. The problem was that you(tiptopgemdotcom) wasn't very polite in your first post. So I think you can't complain about the message was sent to you, and I don't think he was disrespectful.

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February 17, 2013, 06:28:41 PM
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My questions about the tickets have been answered.  I maintain that twitter, facebook, etc are no way to provide customer support.  A contact form is acceptable or an email address and both of these should be on the site.

I have to agree with this, as to use any of the four ways to contact you(bitmillions), I must have an account in one of the them. A contact form or even an email in your site will facilitate a lot the comunication.


Charly, I think you are not prepared for any kind of criticism and this reflects very badly on you.

I have to disagree with this. The problem was that you(tiptopgemdotcom) wasn't very polite in your first post. So I think you can't complain about the message was sent to you, and I don't think he was disrespectful.

I agree with you BRules.

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February 17, 2013, 06:32:50 PM
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Happy to see more and more lucky winners!  Grin

With a ticket of ฿ 0.34 player won 41.3098 BTC!

Check Ticket at https://bitmillions.com/tickets/494a6a2eba69209d557b49c92236c81fc47b8b9a7271d06137a3f0699386f574:1

41.27977753 BTC paid to 1PaoRh69ARSNaGRETuWo2ZmuihKbqtHpQP

Pay TX http://blockchain.info/tx/2fa2779637309b8c8edec22e62cfa744d3b0071ab920996211cf073725a2650e

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February 17, 2013, 06:34:40 PM
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My questions about the tickets have been answered.  I maintain that twitter, facebook, etc are no way to provide customer support.  A contact form is acceptable or an email address and both of these should be on the site.  Charly, I think you are not prepared for any kind of criticism and this reflects very badly on you.

Dave, I take your criticism and we will incorporate additional contact methods on the page.

We will have:

- Facebook
- Twitter
- Google+
- BitcoinTalk
- IRC Channel on Freenode
- Contact Form

Any other suggestion?

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I will try not to clutter up your inbox once you get the contact form up!  It would be nice to see instructions on how to get to the "sent" address from various wallets.  In blockchain.info it is not straightforward unless I am missing something (entirely possible).  Until now I never had a reason to know where the coins came from.

One way to really make the site streamlined would be to allow customers to upload coins to bet with.  Some will love it and some will hate it but imagine how easy the interface could be then.

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February 17, 2013, 08:11:48 PM
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I will try not to clutter up your inbox once you get the contact form up!  It would be nice to see instructions on how to get to the "sent" address from various wallets.  In blockchain.info it is not straightforward unless I am missing something (entirely possible).  Until now I never had a reason to know where the coins came from.

One way to really make the site streamlined would be to allow customers to upload coins to bet with.  Some will love it and some will hate it but imagine how easy the interface could be then.

On blockchain.info, when you click on send money, on the left side you have "Custom" on section "Transaction Type".There you can chose from what address you wanna send your bitcoins.

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It would be nice to see instructions on how to get to the "sent" address from various wallets.  In blockchain.info it is not straightforward unless I am missing something (entirely possible).

Go to the 'transactions' tab, then open the 'View' menu in the top right, and select 'Detailed'.  It will give you the transaction id of each of your transactions as well as a list of input and output addresses.


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February 17, 2013, 09:42:42 PM
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one thing is worrying me, I'm seeing that the pool 4 has 1541 transactions to it and a total of 1165 btc in it.

As no one have won the prize of this pool yet, this mean that these transactions are sending bitcoins to this address.

The first transaction was 1000 btc, this means that all the other 1540 transactions sent 165 btc to it.

statistically talking, the winners of this pool will receive about 6000 btc. this means that when this pool will be paid to the winners, it will have about 56000 unspent transactions. this is a lot of inputs, it will totalize more than 8MB with compressed keys. this is a total of 32 blocks entirely filled with your "transaction".

I think you should review the interval you're sending the bitcoins to your offline address to reduce the numbers of inputs when someone win the top prize

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I think you should review the interval you're sending the bitcoins to your offline address to reduce the numbers of inputs when someone win the top prize

Maybe have a small online address for pool 4, and dump it once per day into the offline wallet.

Also, you should regularly consolidate the outputs at the offline pool addresses.  Make a transaction that takes a bunch of small outputs from the 'match-4' address and sends a single output back to the same address.  If you include the 1000 BTC output as one of the inputs then you'll be able to include 65 tiny inputs with it while staying within the 10000 byte limit for free transactions.  So long as the value of the transaction times the number of confirmations of the inputs is bigger than 5760 the transaction is free.  So you can consolidate 65 tiny outputs every 6 blocks for free.  Since you're hopefully only adding one output to each pool for each block you'll quickly get the offline pool tidied up.

Also, the amounts shown in https://bitmillions.com/faq#7 are out of date.  It would be better to either have them show the live balance or not show the balances at all.

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February 18, 2013, 02:55:11 AM
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one thing is worrying me, I'm seeing that the pool 4 has 1541 transactions to it and a total of 1165 btc in it.

As no one have won the prize of this pool yet, this mean that these transactions are sending bitcoins to this address.

The first transaction was 1000 btc, this means that all the other 1540 transactions sent 165 btc to it.

statistically talking, the winners of this pool will receive about 6000 btc. this means that when this pool will be paid to the winners, it will have about 56000 unspent transactions. this is a lot of inputs, it will totalize more than 8MB with compressed keys. this is a total of 32 blocks entirely filled with your "transaction".

I think you should review the interval you're sending the bitcoins to your offline address to reduce the numbers of inputs when someone win the top prize

Yes, we know about this problem, what is why we are working in a script that will consolidate small inputs on the Pool # 4 Address once a day

Maybe have a small online address for pool 4, and dump it once per day into the offline wallet.

This is also a very good suggestion, thanks dooglus! Will look into it.

Right now we consolidated the payments for 6 block in one Transaction to try to make it not as small. In the future when game become very popular I thing we will have to do like dooglus suggested and break the transaction in parts.

Also, the amounts shown in https://bitmillions.com/faq#7 are out of date.  It would be better to either have them show the live balance or not show the balances at all.

I think you are talking about Question #12 ( How can I verify that there are sufficient funds to cover the prizes? ), correct?

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I think you are talking about Question #12 ( How can I verify that there are sufficient funds to cover the prizes? ), correct?

Yes, #12 sorry.

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Yeah... this site is terribly messed up.... I tried and tried to input the transaction IDs for .025 btc I sent just trying the site out and was UNABLE to get anything about any tickets (I should have 'bought' 2 tickets with .02 btc).  The transaction TO Bitmillions wallet ID WAS confirmed by blockchain.info.

I have to say that I won't be trying this site again unless things change drastically.  Shouldn't be out of the testing phase IMO.  Glad I didn't send more than .025 btc.

Even IF I was able to see tickets I 'bought' by entering my own wallet's 'send' IDs there MUST be an easier way to show your consumers their ticket numbers, the current system (discounting the fact that I couldn't get it to work AT ALL) is just too clumsy/confusing.

In addition to the above... the site is NOT showing the total jackpot available in the red box nor is it showing the 'last 4 winning numbers on the left side of the front page.  ALSO, in addition, the About Us tab goes to a blank page with NO information about contact addresses for Twitter, Facebook, Google+ OR Bitcointalk as stated earlier itt.

Something is very wrong here.
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February 20, 2013, 05:37:55 AM
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Yeah... this site is terribly messed up.... I tried and tried to input the transaction IDs for .025 btc I sent just trying the site out and was UNABLE to get anything about any tickets (I should have 'bought' 2 tickets with .02 btc).  The transaction TO Bitmillions wallet ID WAS confirmed by blockchain.info.

I have to say that I won't be trying this site again unless things change drastically.  Shouldn't be out of the testing phase IMO.  Glad I didn't send more than .025 btc.

Could you please tell me your Bitcoin address or the ID of the Transaction you sent?

Even IF I was able to see tickets I 'bought' by entering my own wallet's 'send' IDs there MUST be an easier way to show your consumers their ticket numbers, the current system (discounting the fact that I couldn't get it to work AT ALL) is just too clumsy/confusing.

In addition to the above... the site is NOT showing the total jackpot available in the red box nor is it showing the 'last 4 winning numbers on the left side of the front page.  ALSO, in addition, the About Us tab goes to a blank page with NO information about contact addresses for Twitter, Facebook, Google+ OR Bitcointalk as stated earlier itt.

Something is very wrong here.

What browser are you using? Could you please try deleting your browser cache and refreshing the page to see if that solves the problem?

[Edit] Looks like it was a problem with a JavaScript Library that loads only on Internet Explorer, that was not loading on SSL.
The issue was fixed, site should be working fine on IE now.

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