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December 01, 2021, 09:17:58 PM
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Don’t know if you guys are involved in the traditional stock markets but what we are seeing right now is massive panic mostly driven by the retail wallstreetbets FOMO tendies option crowd.

The SP500 is down only 5% but the VIX was over 30 earlier which is a rare event. If you look at the VIX for the past year and compare it to 2012-2019 you can see how much more panic there is in the markets right now.

SP500 dipped 2% and VIX spiked to 28. And if you read the comments on wallstreetbets area you can see people losing almost half their accounts pretty much. After today’s session many people have claimed to lost their entire balance.

And if you look at AMC, which is that short squeeze meme stock, it was down -20% in one instant. Meaning those earlier holders probably started to liquidate their entire trading account just to get out in the black. Basically people selling their winners to balance out their losers.

This is not normal behavior. And it should be a warning that it can happen in crypto also. So if you made decent gains, remember to take profit. But if the sell off starts, you know it will be too late. I am talking especially with altcoins and meme coins.

Be smart and protect your capital. Don’t get greedy.

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December 02, 2021, 06:53:46 AM
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WallStreetBets losing money due to high leverage? That's really nothing new though. The people on that subreddit have been notoriously known since forever to be either losing big, or winning big, with almost no in-betweens.

But I totally get your point with the greed and de-risking part.

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December 02, 2021, 07:04:07 AM
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The SP500 is down only 5% ...

SP500 dipped 2%...

I don't know where you get that from. I've been investing in the S&P 500 regularly for quite a few years now, doing DCA, and I don't see anything striking in the behavior lately.

Yesterday the S&P 500 was down 1.18%, so I don't know where you get 2% and 5% from.

If the spirit of your post is that the market is somehow overheated and we will probably have a crash soon, I agree. But I'll leave that selling on the assumption that a crash is coming to those of you who do trading. I still buy the S&P 500 at regular intervals, come rain or snow.

And the same goes for Bitcoin.

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December 02, 2021, 08:39:44 AM
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#bitcoinNotAffected

Seriously though where are all those who were pounding their chests saying "bitcoin follows stock market"? For the past week they have been dumping everything and bitcoin is still in the same channel as it has been.

On a shorter scale when for example S&P500 started dumping on 24 for 48 hours, bitcoin price went from $55k to $59k!

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December 02, 2021, 10:36:39 AM
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I don't think that it's necessarily a panic?

It's just that people are realizing that these historically low interest rates won't last forever, and that's why stock multiples have dropped so much.

People are already buying the dip as well with Omicron being a bit clearer. It's nothing special really.
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December 02, 2021, 10:50:00 AM
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There is a lot of FUD got in the markets when Omicron [1] is announced but this does not mean that to start selling without a strategy because it is a way to achieve a quick gain, but stocks movment I saw was within 5% to 10% and I do not remember a loss of 20% If the person is betting using its financial loss.

There is a lot of FUD got in the markets when Omicron[1] is announced but this does not mean that to start selling without a strategy because it is a way to achieve a quick gain, but stocks (S&P) movement I saw was within 5% to 10% and I do not remember a loss of 20% (maybe due to high leverage.)

Overall it will not be like what happened in March 2020 so there is no need to panic.
It is mistake to make long-term investing in Altcoins due to the small market capacity which makes strong relative corrections possible.

[1] https://www.who.int/news/item/28-11-2021-update-on-omicron

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December 02, 2021, 11:36:57 AM
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#bitcoinNotAffected

Seriously though where are all those who were pounding their chests saying "bitcoin follows stock market"? For the past week they have been dumping everything and bitcoin is still in the same channel as it has been.

On a shorter scale when for example S&P500 started dumping on 24 for 48 hours, bitcoin price went from $55k to $59k!
At first case people were really hating bitcoin and prefer to invest in traditional stock market and gold and consider those fools who were holding onto their btc investment and later on the trend changes and they claim it's good but not better then stock market and gradually it becomes the most preferred investment for most of them.

But there always remain a small group who will say this and that and will present many excuses that bitcoin is not good for society and will not hold it.Take the case of gold as still many prefer it knowingly or unknowingly that it has not given any returns in the past 10 years and on the other side btc gained 68000% in past 13 years and market cap approximately of silver and gold is not too far.

I have seen people changing their expression from it's worst to it's best.By the way nice hashtag #bitcoinNotAffected.


There is a lot of FUD got in the markets when Omicron[1] is announced but this does not mean that to start selling without a strategy because it is a way to achieve a quick gain, but stocks (S&P) movement I saw was within 5% to 10% and I do not remember a loss of 20% (maybe due to high leverage.)

Overall it will not be like what happened in March 2020 so there is no need to panic.
It is mistake to make long-term investing in Altcoins due to the small market capacity which makes strong relative corrections possible.
That's the problem that people don't research and just panic sold on any of the FUD and whales and other big players who try to manipulate the market prices succeed each time.We have seen this scenario many times and later on people regret selling at low.Like what happened in 2017 crash was people panic sold at $10k and even lower while it was normal correction but those who holds from that time are now still having $59k worth of btc even after so much dips.

People investing in other altcoins taking out funds from bitcoin believe that this new variant will not hit that market and they will gain profits? But the best time is to invest when there are red candles but people invest in some shit token with less price and market cap but all with centralized wallet control and they dump the market at once only so what they gained from that?

Speaking of stock market and S&P there is also the same analogy being followed like if you are holding some good stocks then why worry about it even if it dips some percentage as it will gain also in long run and if you are not day trader or trading with leverage.But these FUD and people blindly trusting them is always the same and we can't figure out the way out of them.

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December 02, 2021, 05:50:14 PM
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Be smart and protect your capital. Don’t get greedy.

This is really expensive advice, but unfortunately it is too late for me because I had a severe loss two weeks ago because of greed, there was a good deal and I got high profits but because of greed I expected that Altcoin would continue to rise and double my profits but what happened is the opposite, Altcoin started fell strongly and  I lost my profits and also part of my capital.
So I really appreciate this advice because I received a very painful lesson because of greed and not protecting my capital, but in any case this is a good experience that I will benefit from in the future so as not to repeat my mistakes.

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December 03, 2021, 02:22:36 AM
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The SP500 hit a new ATH on Nov 22. By Nov 26 it had declined only -3% from ATH however the VIX went to 29 that day. This normally shouldn’t happen. It means the sell off is massively fear driven by retail investors.

Go back to 2012-2018 and see how often the VIX was over 29? Not very much and certainly not when it’s only -3% from ATH.

Seems all these wallstreetbets stocks like even DOCU are dumping hard which had crazy high PS ratios. Look what happened to DOCU today. It lost over 30%. It makes Bitcoin look like a blue chip stock pretty much.


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