Accused of scam without ever scamming

[legendster]

So .. can someone explain this to me?

We KNOW this trust system doesnt work so why has this system still managed to be present here in this forum? Forget about me and my cases, people are douchebags and you can't change that.

But I have seen thousands of profiles here that got negatively rated because someone didnt like how they spoke.

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[james.lent]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583076.msg13896461#msg13896461

[Your Point Is Invalid]

OP what you are talking about is a widespread problem on the forum, members are changing the meaning of what a scammer is as they go along just to leave negative rep, you should probably pm blazed about getting some of the users that left you negative trust off of Default Trust if you think you dont deserve the feedback

[whywefight]

OP what you are talking about is a widespread problem on the forum, members are changing the meaning of what a scammer is as they go along just to leave negative rep, you should probably pm blazed about getting some of the users that left you negative trust off of Default Trust if you think you dont deserve the feedback

i dont think so.

<...> I really think that Lutpin and Mexxer are doing alright so far. I think it sucks we need people who have to scam bust, but this forum is a cesspool of scammers if we do not <....> I have spoken with a few high-level people and had some message me about these 2 additions. Everyone agrees they are doing an alright job so far <...>

[psonowal83]

You used pictures from google and saying its your previous work,Giving negative trust isn't when you have scammed but also when we think it might be a scam.It isn't if someone try to scam then before giving them negative wait  for them to scam.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

OP you got busted yet again, that's what happened.   The trust system is fairly broken but you're not a victim here, so stop with the babe-in-the-woods routine.  I derived great pleasure out of that luxury used car scam of yours.  It was entertaining watching you duck and weave while you got the smackdown.  Sad in a way, too.

[legendster]

I would rather not talk about myself or my cases that would clearly leave me with a biased opinion.

What I would like to talk about is the this Minority report style of ASSUMING things and then blaming people of doing shit that they never did. Maybe this keeps low level scammers off obvious viewport but it does not stop scams, they keep happening and most that happen are with these 'new accounts' that get created when one account gets a red flag.

Its free to create email, its free to create an account here and that leads to a numerous amount of shill account creation , more bogus content, more confusion. How is this in anyway healthy for this community?


Quickseller / Vod / Tradefortress all of them MISUSED the immense trust that they had built here by simply scam busting. And in their over zealousness they have populated this forum with trolls and shill accounts.


So do tell me how is what these idiots are doing an "alright job" ?

[cryptodevil]

I would rather not talk about myself or my cases that would clearly leave me with a biased opinion.

So your not talking about your scammy self makes your anti-anti-scam opinion not biased?

Hmmmm. Sounds legit.

[legendster]

OP what you are talking about is a widespread problem on the forum, members are changing the meaning of what a scammer is as they go along just to leave negative rep, you should probably pm blazed about getting some of the users that left you negative trust off of Default Trust if you think you dont deserve the feedback

Deserve is a strong word. I dont deserve anything. I earn it.
I have had contacts with leCruze exotics and  I tried to cash that in with the new and exciting Bitcoin thingy. That resulted in me getting accused of being an arabian scammer.

What happens if I go to - whoever - and have the negative trust rebuked / removed? Does it stop people like Quickseller for being utter douchebags?? Does it undo the damage done?

Yeah if it were the real world, things would have been different. But how do yo stop some two bit troll hiding behind a barrage of shill accounts and online anonymity?

[legendster]

I would rather not talk about myself or my cases that would clearly leave me with a biased opinion.

So your not talking about your scammy self makes your anti-anti-scam opinion not biased?

Hmmmm. Sounds legit.

Haha funny. I am not here to complain. When people say scam what do they really mean? I mean REALLY mean?
That is what I am here for, the intent and purpose of this thread.

[cryptodevil]

The trust system is for scammers and those you suspect of being high risk of scamming in future.

If you behave dishonestly today then people who deal with you in the future need to know that you have been proven to have behaved dishonestly.

It isn't a preventative action, it is a community communication one.

[Monnt]

The trust system does work. It is a p2p community, and so if someone is wrongfully negative repped, they can go to the person who left that rep and explain themselves. If they are the ones being unfair, they shouldn't be on default trust, in which that the person who put them there should take them off.

[legendster]

The trust system is for scammers and those you suspect of being high risk of scamming in future.

If you behave dishonestly today then people who deal with you in the future need to know that you have been proven to have behaved dishonestly.

It isn't a preventative action, it is a community communication one.

Dishonestly?

Are you sure you want to go with THAT term? I can show you a hundred profiles here that have said or done things 'dishonestly' over the past 3 years I have been here and they have not been reported negatively because of the connections they have - or - the trust that they have built.

Over and over again we have seen here that people that actually criticize people are nothing but trolls and people who have NEVER displayed a trait of dishonesty do something "dishonest". But how many times has there been a community backlash at those users?

Maybe a few top ones got out but what about the others ?

[cryptodevil]

Dishonestly?

Are you sure you want to go with THAT term? I can show you a hundred. . .Red Herrings

Logical fallacy. Highlighting the dishonest behaviour of others does not assuage your own.

[legendster]

The trust system does work. It is a p2p community, and so if someone is wrongfully negative repped, they can go to the person who left that rep and explain themselves. If they are the ones being unfair, they shouldn't be on default trust, in which that the person who put them there should take them off.

People in this community especially these "janitors" that clean up the low level scammers and shitfucks here are anything BUT fair.
They have a predefined set of rules based on their OWN morals and perception or something that is practiced by a few and they want the world to work that way.

[whywefight]

Hey legendster,

i am happy about the feedback you left for me, would you mind to leave a propper reference?

Thank you!

[LFC_Bitcoin]

So .. can someone explain this to me?

We KNOW this trust system doesnt work so why has this system still managed to be present here in this forum? Forget about me and my cases, people are douchebags and you can't change that.

But I have seen thousands of profiles here that got negatively rated because someone didnt like how they spoke.

Without getting too involved I have seen people unfairly neg rep'd a number of times. I guess it's like a dictatorship sometimes. Don't get on the wrong side of the big hitters or you get #REKT.

Kissing a bit of ass every now & again helps too I guess.

I just keep out of trading & out of personal arguments & it seems to serve me well.

[Zeke2345]

So .. can someone explain this to me?

We KNOW this trust system doesnt work so why has this system still managed to be present here in this forum? Forget about me and my cases, people are douchebags and you can't change that.

But I have seen thousands of profiles here that got negatively rated because someone didnt like how they spoke.

Without getting too involved I have seen people unfairly neg rep'd a number of times. I guess it's like a dictatorship sometimes. Don't get on the wrong side of the big hitters or you get #REKT.

Kissing a bit of ass every now & again helps too I guess.

I just keep out of trading & out of personal arguments & it seems to serve me well.

Bitcoin was created to be a open source away from the prying eyes of the government and banks. So when you see people policing a bitcoin forum I personally have to wonder if the one aspect that brings me to bitcoin is still valid.
Are we going to turn this forum into a nanny state where we hold your hand as long as you play ball or we going to go back to the roots?
If we need to coddle people to this extent then its game over and bitcoin will dance down the path till its 1984!
We either let people figure out how life is or you shut it down and establish group thinking and group thinking seems to be winning at the moment.
The whole idea you need to kiss ass,shows that some people have got to big for their own good and need to be brought down a peg. Never submit to some one in life because it is the easier path,you will always pay in some form.

[CryptoDatabase]

So .. can someone explain this to me?

We KNOW this trust system doesnt work so why has this system still managed to be present here in this forum? Forget about me and my cases, people are douchebags and you can't change that.

But I have seen thousands of profiles here that got negatively rated because someone didnt like how they spoke.

Without getting too involved I have seen people unfairly neg rep'd a number of times. I guess it's like a dictatorship sometimes. Don't get on the wrong side of the big hitters or you get #REKT.

Kissing a bit of ass every now & again helps too I guess.

I just keep out of trading & out of personal arguments & it seems to serve me well.

Bitcoin was created to be a open source away from the prying eyes of the government and banks. So when you see people policing a bitcoin forum I personally have to wonder if the one aspect that brings me to bitcoin is still valid.
Are we going to turn this forum into a nanny state where we hold your hand as long as you play ball or we going to go back to the roots?
If we need to coddle people to this extent then its game over and bitcoin will dance down the path till its 1984!
We either let people figure out how life is or you shut it down and establish group thinking and group thinking seems to be winning at the moment.
The whole idea you need to kiss ass,shows that some people have got to big for their own good and need to be brought down a peg. Never submit to some one in life because it is the easier path,you will always pay in some form.

Tl:dr Nothing ever changes, welcome to life.

Nothing will ever change, bitcoin cannot change anything. Bitcoin will be regulated more and more by governments until it is just like any other currency in the world.

This forum follows the same principles. The op cannot change that, you cannot change that, i cannot change that, or anyone else for that matter. Someone will get an idea of 'hey lets create a new forum where this won't happen' and they will be full of shit. It will start off that way but like everything else in the history of the world it will repeat itself becoming a never ending cycle of control. Those that say they can or it won't are disillusioned but will find out how life works before too long.

The human species thrives on control. We can complain and bitch until we're blue in the face but welcome to humanity. The only thing that can be done is to distance yourself from it as best as you can. But, like I mentioned above, this is impossible as everywhere you go it will always be the same.

[cryptodevil]

Bitcoin was created to be a open source away from the prying eyes of the government and banks. So when you see people policing a bitcoin forum I personally have to . . . waaah waahhh wahhh waaaah waah!

WTF is so hard to understand? Just because bitcoin is an open-source decentralised network you think that nobody should hold anybody to account for their toxic behaviour?

So if your neighbour, who has just moved in and you know nothing about, pisses on your lawn and yells, "Freedom of choice, motherfuckers!!!" you don't think it is appropriate to inform your community that your new neighbour is a dirtbag who cares not for the society he is part of?

Freedom of choice is not freedom from the consequences of that choice.