Escrow Partner got tricked

[amartin99]

this is a vary strange situation

I was chatting with "SebastianJu"  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18640
and  "Ralobot.com"  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=561660
over a traid

I sent "SebastianJu" 0.64329373 BTC https://blockchain.info/tx/5c8e38c069f06f69fefa68331c7eb0e2d6537cd1cb914aa839ced40843d1d6d5
worth $270 now
"Ralobot.com" was to send me $279.93 in PM or skrill
he has sent me nothing
but I got an email http://prntscr.com/ab344z
saying that "SebastianJu" sent me a PM saying he has received one from me telling him to release the BTC
I never sent "SebastianJu" any such PM
and I can't find this PM from him in my account
 I don't see my last PM to "SebastianJu" in my history either

but I see his BTC account is now empty
https://blockchain.info/address/1MUpPFyAbgs66Xjh4qd7SZ2LTdmS1YMFsS

I have not heard from either of them on this
feel I just got scammed out of $270

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[Lutpin]

I have not heard from either of them on this
feel I just got scammed out of $270

Seb is an experienced escrow, he usually knows what he does and it's hard believing the got tricked that easy into releasing escrowed funds.
Did you contact him after receiving the email and ask him about this?

[khalized]

could be a scam attempt, you receive a fake email from the forum that "simulate" an original one.
wait SebastianJu reply, but if you can't see in your messages history well it's a fake message

[amartin99]

I have sent I have sent SebastianJu 2 messages that didn't get saved in my outbox
now I see this has gotten unchecked  http://prntscr.com/ab3bdp
is it possible my account got hacked ?

[Lutpin]

I have sent I have sent SebastianJu 2 messages that didn't get saved in my outbox
now I see this has gotten unchecked  http://prntscr.com/ab3bdp

This can be done via settings. Sebastian probably has the messages still in his inbox and can quote them for us.

is it possible my account got hacked?

Seems the most logic explanation to me right now.
Also explains why you got an email, but the message itself was deleted from your inbox.
I'd suggest you to change your password.
For your coins, it's probably already be too late though.


Seems like it's not your escrow that got tricked, but your account that got invaded.

[amartin99]

some times I use a really simple pass but I just checked and here im using a 17 key random pass (I get them from roboforum generator)
some of it looks like this "t6X$S@"
and going on for 17 key's
NO CHANCE anyone guessed that or brute forced the forum

[amartin99]

well after checking on my pass I and surten there is no way I got hacked or a failure at my end
the only contact I have had with either of them was threw the forum so no way they hacked my computer
if I got hacked it was some how done threw the forum itself

[Lutpin]

well after checking on my pass I and surten there is no way I got hacked or a failure at my end

Never say never.


Let's wait for Seb to reply and clear the situation.

[khalized]

well after checking on my pass I and surten there is no way I got hacked or a failure at my end
the only contact I have had with either of them was threw the forum so no way they hacked my computer
if I got hacked it was some how done threw the forum itself

Wait Sebastianju reply!
I have read in this section a new way of scam, where people send fake message through email, I think at this moment the best reply is from escrow.
(ps if are moved = there are also wallet of exchange... then there are possibilities about recover these funds)

[amartin99]

can some forum MOD get me a list of the IP's used to access my account ?
my current IP is **.27.94.31
and it hasn't changed in days


iv been on this IP since the 23rd of last month infact
my IP changes when my modem reboots but my website logs have me using this IP since the 23rd

[Lutpin]

can some forum MOD get me a list of the IP's used to access my account?

AFAIK moderators don't have access to IPs (at least that's to my information last time I talked to Lauda).

my current IP is [...] and it hasn't changed in days

Wouldn't post my IP like that, but maybe that's just me.
On second thought, your behind VPN anyway, right?

[xetsr]

can some forum MOD get me a list of the IP's used to access my account ?
my current IP is 70.27.94.31
and it hasn't changed in days

They won't. Could have just used a VPN, proxy, TOR, etc anyway.

Download any software lately? Entering your password on a phishing page could also be a possibility.

[amartin99]

ok I changed the first coup[le numbers to **

seems to me someone getting ripped off in there forum $250
should be a priority to them
not a big deal to check the logs
I just checked my sites logs in less then a min

[xetsr]

ok I changed the first coup[le numbers to **

seems to me someone getting ripped off in there forum $250
should be a priority to them
not a big deal to check the logs
I just checked my sites logs in less then a min

It's not. People get ripped off here everyday, some for less and some for much much more. There is nothing they can or will do to help you. Your BTC is gone. Find out how your account was compromised and don't make the same mistake again.

[mexxer-2]

ok I changed the first coup[le numbers to **

seems to me someone getting ripped off in there forum $250
should be a priority to them
not a big deal to check the logs
I just checked my sites logs in less then a min

First off mods don't have the ability to check IP logs, even if they did they wouldn't do so in any circumstances let alone because of a scam accusation.

Waiting for Seb is the best course of action

[amartin99]

also im not massively interested in tracking down the person by his IP
im interested in confirming if any such PM was sent from my account to "SebastianJu"

I see three options
A someone hacked my account and sent him the PM (so he did nothing wrong)
B someone sent him a fake PM from another account (he made a mistake)
C he sent me a fake email and took the money for himself

I want to find out what happened
I expect im out the money
but I need to KNOW what happened not just guess

[Lutpin]

I see three options
A someone hacked my account and sent him the PM (so he did nothing wrong)

My bet would be on this option.

B someone sent him a fake PM from another account (he made a mistake)

possible, but unlikely, as I already said, Seb is experienced with doing escrow, someone might try to trick him that way, I don't think he would fall for it though.

C he sent me a fake email and took the money for himself

No way, what address was the mail sent from? Easy to verify that it comes from the forum and not from anyone faking it.

but I need to KNOW what happened not just guess

Seb can help you with that more than any of us can, let's wait for him.

[mexxer-2]

but I need to KNOW what happened not just guess

Waiting patiently helps, I heard.

[amartin99]

the email appears to have come from noreply@bitcointalk.org
but that is easily faked

[lolxxxx]

but I need to KNOW what happened not just guess

Waiting patiently helps, I heard.

Mexxer-2 tell him everything in detail in private message he can help you, maybe SebastianJu sent the bitcoins to other address mostly escrow's do that .

[xetsr]

the email appears to have come from noreply@bitcointalk.org
but that is easily faked

What email?

[mexxer-2]

the email appears to have come from noreply@bitcointalk.org
but that is easily faked

What email?

The email that comes with any PM as a notification

[amartin99]

this email  http://prntscr.com/ab40hl

[xetsr]

this email  http://prntscr.com/ab40hl

So, you're trying to say someone sent a fake email to both you and the escrower to trick him into releasing the BTC before deal was complete? Not sure I follow.

If that email is legit (check the message headers) then someone did most likely hack your account.

[twister]

this email  http://prntscr.com/ab40hl

So, you're trying to say someone sent a fake email to both you and the escrower to release escrow before deal was complete? Not sure I follow.

If that email is legit (check the message headers) then someone did indeed hack your account.

I think he's talking about the notification email, which one gets to their registered email address when they receive a PM.

[kingaltcoins]

this email  http://prntscr.com/ab40hl

I do not think the email is fake, considering it was sent from noreply@bitcointalk.org

If you still think so why not post the raw transcript of that email here?

I think you have been ratted! Check your PC ASAP!

[xetsr]

BTW, this is the shit that happens when you deal with members that sell carded cards and carding methods.

You might also want to change your password now. If your account was compromised you can expect other PMs to be deleted.

[Quickseller]

Did you actually receive this PM? If so then can you click on "quote" then copy everything and paste it here?

[Lutpin]

Did you actually receive this PM? If so then can you click on "quote" then copy everything and paste it here?

The user won't be abled to do that.

and I can't find this PM from him in my account
I don't see my last PM to "SebastianJu" in my history either

However, if his account got hacked, the invader might have cleared the PMs from in- and outbox.

[amartin99]

the headers look like this  http://prntscr.com/ab457x

the PM is not in my history  either from me approving the payment
or the one in the email

I suspect someone hacked my account and simply deleted the PMs
I had my account set to save everything I send in my history and that somehow got changed to not save
I just find it hard to beleave anyone cracked my old pass "x9^t6X$S@nu!ukHAn"
and yes I have changed my pass now so there is no harm in posting my old one

[xetsr]

the headers look like this  http://prntscr.com/ab457x

the PM is not in my history  either from me approving the payment
or the one in the email

I suspect someone hacked my account and simply deleted the PMs
I had my account set to save everything I send in my history and that somehow got changed to not save
I just find it hard to beleave anyone cracked my old pass "x9^t6X$S@nu!ukHAn"
and yes I have changed my pass now so there is no harm in posting my old one

Did the person you were trading with send you any links, could have been links to sites that appear like bitcointalk.org but are designed to steal your password?

[amartin99]

don't think so but even if he had I used a unique pass for this forum
so wouldn't have worked

[amartin99]

in the end I have made 9-10 trades on this forum
gotten feedback for only one and lost $310
it's been a discouraging first week

[james.lent]

don't think so but even if he had I used a unique pass for this forum
so wouldn't have worked

then the rdp you're on must have been compromised.

[xetsr]

don't think so but even if he had I used a unique pass for this forum
so wouldn't have worked

The page might have been designed to look like bitcointalk, fooling you into thinking you were logged out. You would then enter your bitcointalk username and password and get redirected to the real bitcointalk.org, making it look like you never left.

You should check the PMs again. I'm not sure why anybody other then the person you were dealing with would have the escrow released.

This is all assuming SebastianJu didn't fuck up. It wouldn't be the first time a escrow did something wrong.

[SebastianJu]

I did not read all messages in this thread to be able to answer fast. amartin99 first asked me about a trade some days ago. I answered a bit late and he wrote that he already dealt with another user. Well in the meanwhile I already had sent out the escrow details and after hearing that I cleared the address.

Then the other trading partner got back and wanted the deal to happen. I asked amartin99 if he still wants to deal and he said yes. After negotiating the deal I sent a new escrow address. Though he sent to the old escrow address. I said it's fine, no problem should appear from that.

After a while I received a pm from him claiming that the trading partner had sent him the goods and that I should release the coins. After that I received a pm of the trading partner telling me his bitcoin address to release to.

Well, I released the coins of course since both parties were ok with it.

Now I received a pm of amartin99 that he got a pm from me that I released the coins even though he had not received anything. Well, first scare went over when I checked my inbox and found that exactly the same user amartin99 had send me the pm telling me to release the coins. I answered on his complain pm and found that only the trading partner received this answer because the forum told me that amartin99 has blocked me for receiving pm's from  me.

This sounds like a strange situation. I will read the thread now.

Of course admins and staff can check my pm's.

[mexxer-2]

Of course admins and staff can check my pm's.

Can you report the PM to grue or Cyrus(preferred) , along with this thread link for them to confirm

[Lutpin]

Of course admins and staff can check my pm's.

You could report the PM from amartin99 confirming he received the funds and ask for the mod handling the report to confirm it in this thread.

I answered on his complain pm and found that only the trading partner received this answer because the forum told me that amartin99 has blocked me for receiving pm's from  me.

Sounds like something the potential hacker did, trying to obstruct any further contact between the two of you.

Can you report the PM to grue or Cyrus(preferred) , along with this thread link for them to confirm

mexxer beats me to it.

[amartin99]

I do not use an RDP for this
I sell RDP
I have only connected to the forum threw my home computer

what the hell  http://prntscr.com/ab4q3y
id say that confirms someone got in my account here
why the hell would I set to ignore him ?

think I saw where to undo that yesterday  but I sure didn't set it

[xetsr]

I do not use an RDP for this
I sell RDP
I have only connected to the forum threw my home computer

what the hell  http://prntscr.com/ab4q3y
id say that confirms someone got in my account here
why the hell would I set to ignore him ?

think I saw where to undo that yesterday  but I sure didn't set it

Next step for you should be finding out how your account was compromised. Go through a list of sites and pages you recently visited and check for malware on your PC. I'm still pretty certain you were phished by the member you were dealing with. Why would the hacker not take your coin themselves? Makes no sense.

[Lutpin]

what the hell  http://prntscr.com/ab4q3y
id say that confirms someone got in my account here
why the hell would I set to ignore him ?
think I saw where to undo that yesterday  but I sure didn't set it

You can just click the "unignore" under his trust rating.
You will also find SebastianJu in this list: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=520313;sa=pmprefs
The user being ignored by your account in PM and messages, PMs being deleted, basic settings being changed without your knowledge,
face it, your account is compromised.

Next step for you should be finding out how your account was compromised. Go through a list of sites and pages you recently visited and check for malware on your PC. I'm still pretty certain you were phished by the member you were dealing with.

He would be the only one with a certain gain from this.

[amartin99]

I did not read all messages in this thread to be able to answer fast. amartin99 first asked me about a trade some days ago. I answered a bit late and he wrote that he already dealt with another user. Well in the meanwhile I already had sent out the escrow details and after hearing that I cleared the address.

Then the other trading partner got back and wanted the deal to happen. I asked amartin99 if he still wants to deal and he said yes. After negotiating the deal I sent a new escrow address. Though he sent to the old escrow address. I said it's fine, no problem should appear from that.

After a while I received a pm from him claiming that the trading partner had sent him the goods and that I should release the coins. After that I received a pm of the trading partner telling me his bitcoin address to release to.

Well, I released the coins of course since both parties were ok with it.

Now I received a pm of amartin99 that he got a pm from me that I released the coins even though he had not received anything. Well, first scare went over when I checked my inbox and found that exactly the same user amartin99 had send me the pm telling me to release the coins. I answered on his complain pm and found that only the trading partner received this answer because the forum told me that amartin99 has blocked me for receiving pm's from  me.

This sounds like a strange situation. I will read the thread now.

Of course admins and staff can check my pm's.

I scanned up my received PM's looking for the box where you gave the BTC address
you use code boxes to give them so they rather stand out
don't know how I could have made a mistake and sent to your older address but since that wasn't a problem (whatever)

I never sent that PM saying to release the funds but then again I also never set my account to ignore you
I have now found and removed that setting
I also changed my pass about 20 min ago
clearly someone else was accessing my account
the question is HOW
and what to do now
it's been many hours so I assume your send of the BTC has been confirmed

[The Sceptical Chymist]

in the end I have made 9-10 trades on this forum
gotten feedback for only one and lost $310
it's been a discouraging first week

Welcome to bitcointalk.  Do everything you can to protect yourself here, or else you'll end up losing everything. There are so many scammers on this forum it's unreal.

[Quickseller]

If what Seb says is true then he would not be at fault as it is his job to ensure that the terms of the trade are followed out and if the OP wants to release escrow prior to receiving the goods (or in this case fiat) that is his choice.

Unless Seb had previously agreed to only release escrow upon a signed message from the OP then there is no reason why he should be required to ask for one.

[Lutpin]

and what to do now

I'd do what xetsr proposed to do.

Next step for you should be finding out how your account was compromised. Go through a list of sites and pages you recently visited and check for malware on your PC. I'm still pretty certain you were phished by the member you were dealing with.

it's been many hours so I assume your send of the BTC has been confirmed

No need to asume, just check the blockchain, the outgoing transaction has 39 confirmations.
Those coins are gone for good.

[SebastianJu]

I reported all three pm's after checking that the User-ID of the buyer is the same in all PM's.

And I negrepped the scammer, which must be the seller then: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=561660

I already was wondering why the seller was a bit aggressive in wanting that deal to happen. Like "you wasted our time, sebastianju might negrep you" or so. It sounded scammy and since the trade already was done I asked the buyer if he wants to trade anyway. He wanted so the deal went through after I mentioned that the buyer only should proceed when he is aware of chargeback possibilities of PM. Well, it might be that PM is not chargebackable since the buyer wrote me so so I told him that I can't tell for sure and that he should inform himself and only proceed when he is aware that my protection ability only can go as far as the actual deal, it ends after I release the bitcoin.

Well, so far the deal was normal as buyer and seller were unique persons negotiating a deal. The real buyer sent the money and the hacker sent a fake email from buyers account.

I wonder how it happened that the account was compromised and it is a first for me that a hacker shares the account with a bitcointalk member. But thinking about how he wanted to deal I assume that he already had hacked the account at that time. Maybe he approached him because of that.


amartin99


Yes, the transaction is confirmed since some time already. :/ Though probably it would have gone through anyway.

I really would like to know how your account was compromised. The password of the forum should be sent encrypted with ssl, so even an VPN should not be able to read it. Must be more near your pc since it should not be the BCT-Server. Otherwise bigger victims would have been chosen.


Quickseller


The scammer wrote:

I received my PM escrow Please release BTC to ralobot.com.

Thank you.

[amartin99]

Ralobot.com never gave me any URL to visit that I can recall
and I don't see any in past PM's

I don't see how I could have been "fished"
I just did a quick search of my passwords and while this forums pass is used a couple other places  I have not been to either in a long time
and neither are something he would have thought to fake

I dono how he got into my account
but there is nothing more to be done here
I just need to find a way to guard against this risk

[xetsr]

Ralobot.com never gave me any URL to visit that I can recall
and I don't see any in past PM's

I don't see how I could have been "fished"
I just did a quick search of my passwords and while this forums pass is used a couple other places  I have not been to either in a long time
and neither are something he would have thought to fake

I dono how he got into my account
but there is nothing more to be done here
I just need to find a way to guard against this risk

Download anything lately? Dice bots, mining software and etc for example.

[amartin99]

Ralobot.com never gave me any URL to visit that I can recall
and I don't see any in past PM's

I don't see how I could have been "fished"
I just did a quick search of my passwords and while this forums pass is used a couple other places  I have not been to either in a long time
and neither are something he would have thought to fake

I dono how he got into my account
but there is nothing more to be done here
I just need to find a way to guard against this risk

Download anything lately? Dice bots, mining software and etc for example.

just this
https://codeload.github.com/jackjack-jj/pywallet/zip/master
it was sapost to help me clear out  my unconfirmed trades in BTC core
I looked at it but didn't use it
went with the altered icon route instead

well I got to get ready for work
maybe be back before going but got to get ready

[Lutpin]

I just need to find a way to guard against this risk

Including signed messages (like the escrow does it in PMs to you) in your PMs would be an idea.

[SebastianJu]

Ralobot.com never gave me any URL to visit that I can recall
and I don't see any in past PM's

I don't see how I could have been "fished"
I just did a quick search of my passwords and while this forums pass is used a couple other places  I have not been to either in a long time
and neither are something he would have thought to fake

I dono how he got into my account
but there is nothing more to be done here
I just need to find a way to guard against this risk

Well, one thing you should consider is not using the same password on different sites. That already lead to many damages.

Instead better use a password manager like keepass 2. You only need one really strong password you remember and don't user elsewhere. All other passwords can be get from that database and there is a plugin for firefox to fill out password information automatically.

Otherwise I would do a malware scan. But I wonder if he really compromised your pc or got your pass elsewhere and your pc is free.

Did you create the pass with a strange site?

[amartin99]

no I have some LONG passwords generated by robo forum
some times when im feeling lazy I copy that but leaving out a few letters so as to make it different
when I did a scan of my passwords I found that's where I did here
and used the same pass when joining a couple other things
these other 2 things are large unrelated companies
no way they where fishing sites

encrypting my pass sounds like a good idea

having the forum use SMS confirmation every time our IP changes would be better

[amartin99]

how do I encrypt my pass anyway ?

[mexxer-2]

So considering it was ralobot who received the funds and that the hacker had no selfish reason to not take the BTC for himself, should we tag him(Seems seb already did)?

[Lutpin]

So considering it was ralobot who received the funds and that the hacker had no selfish reason to not take the BTC for himself, should we tag him(Seems seb already did)?

xetsr aswell.
Interestingly, he got a negative feedback from ndnhc dating back several months about an unresolved scam accusation.

Should be tagged for selling carding methods. Follow the payivy link and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Agreed.

[xetsr]

So considering it was ralobot who received the funds and that the hacker had no selfish reason to not take the BTC for himself, should we tag him(Seems seb already did)?

Should be tagged for selling carding methods anyway. Follow the payivy link and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[Quickseller]

So considering it was ralobot who received the funds and that the hacker had no selfish reason to not take the BTC for himself, should we tag him(Seems seb already did)?

That is up to you, however it is really the OP's word against rainbot's.

If I were selling a physical coin to someone and I agree to send first, then my trading partner says the coin has not yet been received but sends me the BTC anyway I really cannot question that if I actually sent the coin (I would of course attempt to resolve the issue).

If rainbot wants to claim that he fulfilled his end of the trade then maybe he can provide some kind of tracking number.

Maybe the admins can look into the IP that was used when the PM to Seb was sent, this won't necessarily prove guilt but if the hacker was lazy then maybe he used the same IP.

[mexxer-2]

So considering it was ralobot who received the funds and that the hacker had no selfish reason to not take the BTC for himself, should we tag him(Seems seb already did)?

xetsr aswell.
Interestingly, he got a negative feedback from ndnhc dating back several months about an unresolved scam accusation.

Yeah I remember me and ndnhc discussing about that guy deleting any non-biased posts, and some other issues that I don't remember

So considering it was ralobot who received the funds and that the hacker had no selfish reason to not take the BTC for himself, should we tag him(Seems seb already did)?

Should be tagged for selling carding methods anyway. Follow the payivy link and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Will do , thanks.

If I were selling a physical coin to someone and I agree to send first, then my trading partner says the coin has not yet been received but sends me the BTC anyway I really cannot question that if I actually sent the coin (I would of course attempt to resolve the issue).

True, in that case a neg for GC carding and will PM him about this scam accusation, if a reply/public post is not received disputing the accusation, tags from other DT 2 members will be given. And well, getting a neg is not the end of the world if you can easily remove it later on

P.S: Also, what in the world is wrong with you and names? Every post/PM I know that you have posted, has at least one username spelled incorrectly  

Edit: Ah that kayenpal scammer

[Quickseller]

I am on my phone which is horrible with autocorrect plus it automatically zooms into the text field I am typing into so I can't compare what it was corrected to.

Right, if he is selling carded GC then a discussion about giving him a neg might be a moot point as long as it is clear they are carded. However I would not simply take the OPs word that he didn't send the PM in question....otherwise all someone would need to do to get someone negative trust is to setup a small deal with escrow then release escrow prior to receiving the goods.

[xetsr]

Edit: Ah that kayenpal scammer

Was wondering how long it would take for someone to notice  

Trust abuse accusations will be hard for this one.

[Lutpin]

Was wondering how long it would take for someone to notice  
Trust abuse accusations will be hard for this one.

Stupid to ditch the bitcointalk account, but continue to use the same payiv account.

[mexxer-2]

Trust abuse accusations will be hard for this one.

Can't be too sure, people can come up with a lot of weird comparison of forum with completely unrelated RL stuff I've seen.

I am on my phone which is horrible with autocorrect plus it automatically zooms into the text field I am typing into so I can't compare what it was corrected to.

Nice excuse 

P.S: Neg for carding left, contacting via PM about the current scam accusation. But truth be told, he seems like a scumbag already

[Quickseller]

Was wondering how long it would take for someone to notice 
Trust abuse accusations will be hard for this one.

Stupid to ditch the bitcointalk account, but continue to use the same payiv account.

Scammers are lazy and don't notice those small details

[SebastianJu]

Merging my posts into one...

amartin99

how do I encrypt my pass anyway ?

With encrypted pass I meant that bitcointalk.org uses an ssl-certificat. You can see that on the url. It has https instead http. Then the browser automatically encrypts the pass and other data when it is sending a, for example, login form to bitcointalk. This way nobody on the way can sniff our the password. Only the forums server can decrypt it again.

no I have some LONG passwords generated by robo forum
some times when im feeling lazy I copy that but leaving out a few letters so as to make it different
when I did a scan of my passwords I found that's where I did here
and used the same pass when joining a couple other things
these other 2 things are large unrelated companies
no way they where fishing sites

encrypting my pass sounds like a good idea

having the forum use SMS confirmation every time our IP changes would be better

I doubt something that would cost the forum (SMS confirmation) or other major changes will be implemented since theymos works on the new forum since some years already.

Guess your password should have benn a unique one then. The hacker must have gotten into your account some time ago before he tried to establish the trade I think.


mexxer2

So considering it was ralobot who received the funds and that the hacker had no selfish reason to not take the BTC for himself, should we tag him(Seems seb already did)?

ralobot never reacted on my pm. At the end nobody else is involved. The only other solution would be that amartin99 faked it and the receiving address is actually his own. So that he maybe received the pm. Though that again would have meant amartin99 would have been able to send the receiving address to me through ralobots account. Which doesn't sound likely and ralobot already would have had complained.


xetsr

So considering it was ralobot who received the funds and that the hacker had no selfish reason to not take the BTC for himself, should we tag him(Seems seb already did)?

Should be tagged for selling carding methods anyway. Follow the payivy link and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Well, guess I have to think about warning trading partners about red trust of the other trading partner. Though I think normally that should be checked by the trading partner when trying to establish a trade.

Or can it be that you did not know what the red numbers meant, amartin99?


Quickseller

I am on my phone which is horrible with autocorrect plus it automatically zooms into the text field I am typing into so I can't compare what it was corrected to.

Right, if he is selling carded GC then a discussion about giving him a neg might be a moot point as long as it is clear they are carded. However I would not simply take the OPs word that he didn't send the PM in question....otherwise all someone would need to do to get someone negative trust is to setup a small deal with escrow then release escrow prior to receiving the goods.

If ralobot would be the scammed one then it would mean he received either the coins from me or his account was hacked and the pm where he sent me the releasing btc address was sent from the hacker. Which would have been amartin99 then since the pm's contain the quoted texts that no one other has.

And ralobot never complained at all anyway.

[amartin99]

I would be thrilled if ralobot cam in trying to defend himself
love a good argument

honestly I know I looked at his trust rating but don't recall what I saw or thought
but I thought dealing threw an escrow removed all risk (cept for that of charge backs)


as to my proof
Perfect money readout  http://prntscr.com/ab8rxe
Skrill readout http://prntscr.com/ab8sm0
if he wants to claim he sent me money let him try
as you can clearly see I have received no large payments


sounds like my password is already being intercepted
I think best thing is to establish a second level of security with the escrow next time
maybe in skype
or if they don't like that I can simply tell him ill post an image of the payment made ot me so he knows for sure it really has arived
that may be the simplest way


is it possible for me to get some sort of positive feed back over this to start and show I am completing my end of deals
it's like pulling teeth trying to improve my trust rating here
this is the third person I have completed my end of the deal and not gotten any feedback for it

[SebastianJu]

is it possible for me to get some sort of positive feed back over this to start and show I am completing my end of deals
it's like pulling teeth trying to improve my trust rating here
this is the third person I have completed my end of the deal and not gotten any feedback for it

You should not try getting actively trust. It could be seen as buying trust or something. The trustsystem is for when someone made a deal with you. Though mostly you will only get green trust from people not on default trust because people on default trust are cautious who they say are trustworthy. They need to.

When I escrow I can't give green trust for that since I did not risk anything. Well, the last part might be up for discussion when checking the thread I post this in.

[amartin99]

well I paid out $270 in a non disputable currency with no way to take it back
if that is not being "trustworthy" then perhaps I need someone to explain what the word means
because it seems to me keeping ones word is the vary definition of trustworthy

[amartin99]

and how do these trust numbers work anyway

like look at   "mexxer-2"
his quick stats seem to be saying his trust rating is 16 with 0 neg and 5 positive
wondering how his trust score could be higher then his total number of feedback I took a closer look and found 32 neg and 27 positive
so what is the (-0 +5) referring to ?

[SebastianJu]

well I paid out $270 in a non disputable currency with no way to take it back
if that is not being "trustworthy" then perhaps I need someone to explain what the word means
because it seems to me keeping ones word is the vary definition of trustworthy

Well then everyone using bitcoin somehow would need to get a lot of trust.

But the trust system is a point of much many discussions on bitcointalk. I only wanted to warn you that you can get in trouble if you try to buy trust or similar. People doing so already received red trust.

Just check out the forum to find out how things work.

I don't know exactly what the numbers mean, there was a thread about it, but green trust is always good, red trust is always bad. Besides that you can only get these trust from people on default trust, which makes it seldom to get. All people not on default trust would give you untrusted feedback, which you can see when you click on the link in the peoples trust ratings.

[amartin99]

your the second person to use that phrase (buying trust)
it kinda pisses me off actually
how is wanting what I have done to be acknowledged trying to buy trust
it's not like im offering people some $ for feedback and nothing more
this makes no sense to me at all

the comments on our trust page are the ONLY thing ANYONE has to use to help them judge if we be safe to deal with or not
how is it WRONG to expect people to report accurately when they have done a trade with me ?

[Lutpin]

and how do these trust numbers work anyway
like look at   "mexxer-2"
his quick stats seem to be saying his trust rating is 16 with 0 neg and 5 positive
wondering how his trust score could be higher then his total number of feedback I took a closer look and found 32 neg and 27 positive
so what is the (-0 +5) referring to ?

You can read more about it here -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1066857.0
tl;dr: one positive trust rating (mexxer has 5 of those, positive ratings from trusted users, that's the last number) "ages" up to 10 points over time, mexxer currently is at 16 out of 50 (that's the first number).
The -0 in the middle would be the number of (trusted) users who have left a negative rating to him, or in this case didn't because the number is 0.

the comments on our trust page are the ONLY thing ANYONE has to use to help them judge if we be safe to deal with or not
how is it WRONG to expect people to report accurately when they have done a trade with me ?

When they have done a trade with you and think you are trustworthy, they might leave a feedback for you or not, it's their decission after all.
But none of us here did a trade with you, hence complaining in this thread wouldn't bring you any further.

[amartin99]

I had notesed the (trusted feedback) listing
started seeing it after I got my first/only feedback
thought it had something to do with him (a groop of people he was part of) and added cause I had left him positive feedback

sounds like your saying the trusted people grouping has nothing to do with our activity or choices but with theirs ?
also sounds like your saying no amount of positive feedback from people not in the trusted group would effect my score ?

[amartin99]

and how do these trust numbers work anyway
like look at   "mexxer-2"
his quick stats seem to be saying his trust rating is 16 with 0 neg and 5 positive
wondering how his trust score could be higher then his total number of feedback I took a closer look and found 32 neg and 27 positive
so what is the (-0 +5) referring to ?

You can read more about it here -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1066857.0
tl;dr: one positive trust rating (mexxer has 5 of those, positive ratings from trusted users, that's the last number) "ages" up to 10 points over time, mexxer currently is at 16 out of 50 (that's the first number).
The -0 in the middle would be the number of (trusted) users who have left a negative rating to him, or in this case didn't because the number is 0.

the comments on our trust page are the ONLY thing ANYONE has to use to help them judge if we be safe to deal with or not
how is it WRONG to expect people to report accurately when they have done a trade with me ?

When they have done a trade with you and think you are trustworthy, they might leave a feedback for you or not, it's their decission after all.
But none of us here did a trade with you, hence complaining in this thread wouldn't bring you any further.

yea I didn't think it would gain me anything
but the only reason I want be getting positive feed back from Ralobot is because he is a scammer
had he been honest the deal would have completed and we would have both given each-other feedback
somehow I don't think asking him to give me feedback now after I have reported him would be a vary good idea hehehehe

I am impressed with the way his account is getting hit from so few neg reports
man it's just KILLING his account
I will most likely stop using that account and make another
no one would ever deal with that account now

[Lutpin]

yea I didn't think it would gain me anything
but the only reason I want be getting positive feed back from Ralobot is because he is a scammer
had he been honest the deal would have completed and we would have both given each-other feedback

Let me tell you, feedback from an account being that deep in red isn't worth much, you might aswell have no feedback at all.

I am impressed with the way his account is getting hit from so few neg reports
man it's just KILLING his account
I will most likely stop using that account and make another
no one would ever deal with that account now

Negatives strike harder than positives (which only age slowly on top of it).

[amartin99]

yea I didn't think it would gain me anything
but the only reason I want be getting positive feed back from Ralobot is because he is a scammer
had he been honest the deal would have completed and we would have both given each-other feedback

Let me tell you, feedback from an account being that deep in red isn't worth much, you might aswell have no feedback at all.

I am impressed with the way his account is getting hit from so few neg reports
man it's just KILLING his account
I will most likely stop using that account and make another
no one would ever deal with that account now

Negatives strike harder than positives (which only age slowly on top of it).

yea I wouldn't expect  positive feed back from robo to be worth anything now hehehe

so how dose someones trust score get above 0 ?
I just realized the first guy I delt with is more then a year here 2800 posts and still at 0
2800 posts and his trust rank hasn't moved either good or bad
how can that even be possible

[Lutpin]

so how dose someones trust score get above 0 ?

With positive feedback from someone you trust (either by your settings or by default settings).

2800 posts and his trust rank hasn't moved either good or bad
how can that even be possible

Quite easy.
Maybe he didn't have any trades before, maybe all his trades were with "untrusted" users.
Maybe he had trades with trusted users, but didn't get any feedback from them.
Maybe,...the list continues.


Since this is getting quite off-topic from the initial scam accusation, I'd suggest you to go through the FAQ threads
here -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1259439.0
and here -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0
aswell as the collection by shorena -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1217042.0
before we take this further away from the initial puropse.

[amartin99]

are you saying I can add someone to my trusted list then get feedback from him and have it increase my trust rating ?
sounds like a good way to get banned

[FriendlyChemist]

The scammer was very clever i think , he had planned all from very first when he talked to OP.
I am much shocked seeing Seb getting tricked , i suggest now a [signed message]*1 before releasing escrow.

cons: it will find newbie a lot of difficulties in learning[1] this and deploying into action.

[amartin99]

I have no idea how [signed message] works
but I am convinced if the escrow simply requires to be shown a screen shot of the payment
it will be nearly impossible for such a scam to work again

[FriendlyChemist]

I have no idea how [signed message] works
but I am convinced if the escrow simply requires to be shown a screen shot of the payment
it will be nearly impossible for such a scam to work again

well , whatever but i will suggest you to learn how to sign message as in worst case it is only way to prove your ownership on some digital stuffs.
Good Day.

[SebastianJu]

Well, this is great. Ralobot contacted me and told me that he received a message from amartin99 that he should pay to another pm address. And he was wondering about the neg trust.

Never thought of the possibility that the hacker might be a third person.

Anyway... I directed him to this thread.




You guys are right about signatures. Way way too many people, that sometimes are years on bitcointalk, know how signed messages work. And everytime I had to explain it was a very time consuming thing.

Besides, normally you need to trust that if you receive a message from the exact same account the deal was done with that this is the actual user. If this falls then practically everything has to be signed. It would become a real mess.

I can suggest it but I really doubt that many want to use it. Not to speak about that I would have to send around a couple of PM's first.

Well, screenshot of payment... that is something that could be done but honestly... how easy would it be to make a fake screenshot, photoshopping the numbers of an incoming transaction and the receiving address? How should I check that the scammer did not create it?

Even when I would send a question pm to ask back if I really should release? The scammer might simply change the pass and agree. Before the buyer realizes and thought his deal might be in danger the transaction might be already gone.

Maybe I should ask other escrows if they might know a way that you could efficiently protect against such thing happening.


amartin99

I am impressed with the way his account is getting hit from so few neg reports
man it's just KILLING his account
I will most likely stop using that account and make another
no one would ever deal with that account now

You don't need to drop your account. Even when he neg reps you... it does not matter at all for you. He is not on default trust and he can negrep all he wants... it would not change your trust rating.

But I think he would not put any work into this anymore. He got what he wanted and will let that account die. Going over to the next scam...

Well, unfortunately bitcointalk is a real sharkpool of scammers. We only can try to make it harder for them. With escrows or something. But some things can't really be avoided it seems.

[Ralobot.com]

Like i told escrow before I didn't hack nothing i received a msg from amartin99 telling me to pay to an other PM account cause he cant log-in to his first pm account.

i dont know why i got a negative trust & WTFFF with kayenpal he was my partner working with me as an advertiser and a second support so i dont care what he did ...

kayenpal was able to share and post link by using my pc since we live in the same area.... anyways again this forum is crazy why would anyone give me a neg trust without a proof im sure most of you are ignorant .... i got respect to you quikseller....

[SebastianJu]

Like i told escrow before I didn't hack nothing i received a msg from amartin99 telling me to pay to an other PM account cause he cant log-in to his first pm account.

i dont know why i got a negative trust & WTFFF with kayenpal he was my partner working with me as an advertiser and a second support so i dont care what he did ...

kayenpal was able to share and post link by using my pc since we live in the same area.... anyways again this forum is crazy why would anyone give me a neg trust without a proof im sure most of you are ignorant .... i got respect to you quikseller....

Well, you were quick to answer all the time and were pushing the buyer to do the trade. It looked alot like you initiated the traded knowing that you can scam him.

Please post a screenshot of the payment you did to the hackers account and post the content of the pm you received from the hacker.

Edit: By the way... it sounds strange that the hacker only blocked me from sending pm to amartin99. He would have done the same with you so you can't contact him.

[Ralobot.com]

i was quik to make a trade cause i have a website to run ....   plus i delete most msgs in my inbox also its funny how you ask for an image proof cause if im a scammer i can easly fake anything and i can also give you a fake payment id of a recent PM payment im not stupid to waste my time prooving this shit.



To answer seb :

Edit: By the way... it sounds strange that the hacker only blocked me from sending pm to amartin99. He would have done the same with you so you can't contact him.


This can be easy to answer : why whould he block me since i got my money and he got MY FUCKING PM ? i dont think he is that stupid.



Edit: I ask seb to delete his neg trust and all the other members cause this is truly not fair.   

[SebastianJu]

i was quik to make a trade cause i have a website to run ....   plus i delete most msgs in my inbox also its funny how you ask for an image proof cause if im a scammer i can easly fake anything and i can also give you a fake payment id of a recent PM payment im not stupid to waste my time prooving this shit.

I'm not sure why you don't care to prove your innocence. And it really does not make sense to me that you delete all old messages. You claim you even deleted a pm from an ongoing trade. That sounds plain stupid.

Argumenting to not wanting to try to provide proof is a bit strange. You should be interested in clearing your account from that trust. Though you might think it's not worth it because of the previous red trust.

Besides... how can you write that you don't care what your partner is doing on your pc? It directly effects you and your trust.

Surely it will take time to photoshop such image. But that's not the time I asked for. Only the time to make a screenshot and post it.

[Ralobot.com]

SebastianJu look i know you are a nice guy but stop playing stupid ..... anyways we use an rdp to connect and since i trust my partner he was able to acess my account inorder to give support to our players .... about deleting msg admin can confirm that and he can also post the time of me deleting my received msgs .... anyways again i will not waste my time in this shit im sick and tired of this forum... lots of stupid people no wonder why its easy to hack here ...

[SebastianJu]

SebastianJu look i know you are a nice guy but stop playing stupid ..... anyways we use an rdp to connect and since i trust my partner he was able to acess my account inorder to give support to our players .... about deleting msg admin can confirm that and he can also post the time of me deleting my received msgs .... anyways again i will not waste my time in this shit im sick and tired of this forum... lots of stupid people no wonder why its easy to hack here ...

So the hacker, as amartin99, sent you a pm in private, without including me. And you sent it to that address without the escrow being notified of such change?

Besides, you not even providing a screenshot means you help to hide the hacker. Since you claimed you sent pm you can show it and we would know the hacker's pm account.

At the moment you are only bitching around. Trying to get your negrep gone without any attempt to prove your claim. Still you want to take part in the forum for trades but you don't care when it comes to providing proof for your innocence or helping to stop scammers/hackers. Instead you go around like crazy naming everyone as stupid and other things and demand everyone has to do what you want... only you don't want to do anything.

It doesn't matter if there is proof that you deleted your pm's. Why should you? They were important and you deleted important pm for an ongoing trade.

[Indianacoin]

Well this is a real twisted situation right there.
But although the seller is shady by noticing the nature of his reply in this thread.

@Seb next time you should ask both parties to confirm with a signed message (from their staked btc address) before releasing the escrow.
It will be a safer step for you.

[Ralobot.com]

Seb what hacker are you talking about , i got the msg from amartin99 to send to an other address


Again i dont give a fuck about my trust leave it red or whatever cause i dont care why ? because this forum is stupid (most members) giving neg trust without ANY PROOF.


FUCK YOU ALL .

[SebastianJu]

Indianacoin

Well this is a real twisted situation right there.
But although the seller is shady by noticing the nature of his reply in this thread.

@Seb next time you should ask both parties to confirm with a signed message (from their staked btc address) before releasing the escrow.
It will be a safer step for you.

What signed message? You realize that most persons don't have a staked address? Then I would have to get one address at the start of the trade only for the case that the account might be compromised and the hacker did not change the pass.

You know, I can offer that but I'm pretty sure either no one will do it or it will be a huge amount of time just to teach most of them that they learn how to sign messages, what a private key is, where to get it. I already had this alot. It is a mess to explain.

Well, if you really mean we now have to distrust every account that way then man, I would not like doing escrow anymore. It costs so much time already and pays practically nothing. Many big escrows already left because of the time needed and no reward.

I wonder if you ever tried to explain someone how to sign a message.


Ralobot.com

Seb what hacker are you talking about , i got the msg from amartin99 to send to an other address


Again i dont give a fuck about my trust leave it red or whatever cause i dont care why ? because this forum is stupid (most members) giving neg trust without ANY PROOF.

So you claim he scammed you but you don't want to provide proof you can provide and you deleted other proof of your claims too. Man, you are tiring. Everything you says makes no sense at all.

Anyway, my trust doesn't matter. You have enough red trust for the other case where you let some scammer use your pm-account. Surely you await that the other ratings are removed because you say you didn't do it, right? No proof needed because you say so and you don't have time because... fuck you.


amartin99


Anything you want to say about these claims you being the scammer?

[Ralobot.com]

Yeah seb fuck you.... all 

[amartin99]

O WOW

Rolobot why don't you take a screen shot of your payment ?
it would frankly make more sense that someone hacked me and just messaged you to send to a dif address
then that you hacked me then started a trade with me
id never thought of it but it makes more sense as then the hacker would have nothing to loose at all
but it only takes a few seconds to make a screen shot of your account and payments so WHY NOT ?

as for people posting neg feedback with proof
I DID post snapshots of my accounts proving I was not sent the payment
and SebastianJu himself said that he had been blocked from sending me messages
what possible reason could I have to do that

a big plan to leave you neg feed back ?
for what reason ?
had the trade gone threw for me I would have been looking to turn that PM back into BTC using my off forum traders and then sell you more BTC

[amartin99]

Indianacoin
amartin99
Anything you want to say about these claims you being the scammer?

well kninda hard to prove I DIDN'T send messages sent from my own account
but to what end ?
why would I bother ?
what possible gain is there for me ?

[Ralobot.com]

i've deleted all my inbox cause i dont leave useless msgs there if this makes me a scammer then ok im the scammer any qeustions bro?

[amartin99]

i've deleted all my inbox cause i dont leave useless msgs there if this makes me a scammer then ok im the scammer any questions bro?

ALL
you responded to an older one but not to one with me saying to send to a dif address
if I had said it why delete that message and save older ones ?
your OWN PM is hurting your case

[SebastianJu]

amartin99

O WOW

Rolobot why don't you take a screen shot of your payment ?
it would frankly make more sense that someone hacked me and just messaged you to send to a dif address
then that you hacked me then started a trade with me
id never thought of it but it makes more sense as then the hacker would have nothing to loose at all
but it only takes a few seconds to make a screen shot of your account and payments so WHY NOT ?

as for people posting neg feedback with proof
I DID post snapshots of my accounts proving I was not sent the payment
and SebastianJu himself said that he had been blocked from sending me messages
what possible reason could I have to do that

a big plan to leave you neg feed back ?
for what reason ?
had the trade gone threw for me I would have been looking to turn that PM back into BTC using my off forum traders and then sell you more BTC

Well he says you in fact sent me the pm and him a pm. So you received both, pm and bitcoins. Then you changed settings and claimed I sent to the wrong address. At the end you have the coins and the pm and you would look like the victim.

It is a possible scenario though even then, the pm-account would belong to a hacker and it would be important to know that account to either connect it to past scams or prevent future ones.

He might be right, maybe you are the scammer and no hack happened. It should be possible to be proven by mods. Well not really, since you could have logged in with a vpn and other measures to look like another person logged in.

So yes, it might be you are the scammer and he is the victim. As well as your account being hacked and the hacker waited for a trade to happen so that he can scam both of you. Though I wonder if a hacker would sit and wait, watching until a trade comes in.

Anyway, it is pretty strange that he has so many claims but is not interested to work with us in any way. Might be that he is only a lazy... person... who prefers to insult everyone who does not do the way he wants it to. And he really was scammed. But him not wanting to help in any way looks more like another thing.


Quickseller, mexxer-2, lutpin



Well, I don't know. Quickseller, mexxer-2, lutpin... what is your opinion. Should I remove the red trust because in doubt removing?

[Ralobot.com]

Because i scammed you amartin99 so ? .... Stupid members get a fucking proof , i will stop using this forum soon.

i've deleted all my inbox cause i dont leave useless msgs there if this makes me a scammer then ok im the scammer any questions bro?

ALL
you responded to an older one but not to one with me saying to send to a dif address
if I had said it why delete that message and save older ones ?
your OWN PM is hurting your case

[amartin99]

and your point is ?

man just take a screen shot of your payment
your argument is pointless if you are not willing to make such a simple step to prove you made the payment
unless you do you just look like a liar

Because i scammed you amartin99 so ?

i've deleted all my inbox cause i dont leave useless msgs there if this makes me a scammer then ok im the scammer any questions bro?

ALL
you responded to an older one but not to one with me saying to send to a dif address
if I had said it why delete that message and save older ones ?
your OWN PM is hurting your case

[SebastianJu]

i've deleted all my inbox cause i dont leave useless msgs there if this makes me a scammer then ok im the scammer any qeustions bro?

How can it be a useless pm? You never had a deal where you needed info from past pm? And this deal was not at a successfull end. Do you send to quoted escrow addresses too?

[james.lent]

i've deleted all my inbox cause i dont leave useless msgs there if this makes me a scammer then ok im the scammer any qeustions bro?

LMAO, typical scammers excuse. Seen them all bruh. Try harder.

[Ralobot.com]

Ok you got me So smart im the scammer wow busted ...... so since everyone knows im the scammer what next ?

i've deleted all my inbox cause i dont leave useless msgs there if this makes me a scammer then ok im the scammer any qeustions bro?

How can it be a useless pm? You never had a deal where you needed info from past pm? And this deal was not at a successfull end. Do you send to quoted escrow addresses too?

[amartin99]

what ?
he is saying I some how got the coins to
how is that possible I sent them to you
where you given a second address to send them to after the trade started ?
I didn't catch that but then there has been a lot to read

shame our BTC accounts have no name on them
well I sent you "SebastianJu" the BTC  and only you can confirm what happened to it after that
I don't even recall you being given an address to send it to but it's gone so you must have

this situation is getting really messy
PROOF that I sent the BTC  http://prntscr.com/abig94
PROOF I didn't receive the PM  http://prntscr.com/abihcb
not to the address I posted in the PMs I have sent

Rolobo
if you want to say I sent you a PM telling you to send it to a dif address fin
PROVE IT
or at-least prove you have even sent the money anywhere at all
I have yet to see any proof you even had the money to send

[Ralobot.com]

Are you stupid i said i scammed you are you high or what?

what ?
he is saying I some how got the coins to
how is that possible I sent them to you
where you given a second address to send them to after the trade started ?
I didn't catch that but then there has been a lot to read

shame our BTC accounts have no name on them
well I sent you "SebastianJu" the BTC  and only you can confirm what happened to it after that
I don't even recall you being given an address to send it to but it's gone so you must have

this situation is getting really messy
PROOF that I sent the BTC  http://prntscr.com/abig94
PROOF I didn't receive the PM  http://prntscr.com/abihcb
not to the address I posted in the PMs I have sent

Rolobo
if you want to say I sent you a PM telling you to send it to a dif address fin
PROVE IT
or at-least prove you have even sent the money anywhere at all
I have yet to see any proof you even had the money to send

[amartin99]

Are you stupid i said i scammed you are you high or what?

I was typing at the time

so you admit it fine  whatever     moving on
I would like to know how the hell you got into my BCT account to send that message to SebastianJu

[Ralobot.com]

If you want me to tell you how did i hacked you .... you need to pay a 300$

Cause its private.

Are you stupid i said i scammed you are you high or what?

I was typing at the time

so you admit it fine  whatever     moving on
I would like to know how the hell you got into my BCT account to send that message to SebastianJu

[james.lent]

Are you stupid i said i scammed you are you high or what?

I was typing at the time

so you admit it fine  whatever     moving on
I would like to know how the hell you got into my BCT account to send that message to SebastianJu

Have you ever used rolobot.com in the past ? If you had, maybe you might have used the same credentials

[Ralobot.com]

james.lent u're stupid Just shut up.

Are you stupid i said i scammed you are you high or what?

I was typing at the time

so you admit it fine  whatever     moving on
I would like to know how the hell you got into my BCT account to send that message to SebastianJu

Have you ever used rolobot.com in the past ? If you had, maybe you might have used the same credentials

[amartin99]

$300  I think not

no I have never been to rolobot.com before today
and the site is down and domain for sale

[Ralobot.com]

Offer me a price.

$300  I think not

no I have never been to rolobot.com before today
and the site is down and domain for sale

[amartin99]

someone did get into one of my VPS's a few days ago using a brute force attack on the windows admin account
then copied all the passes from my browser
cot him in it doing it
but I have never loged into this site from that VPS
I don't think it was rolobot
I think it was just some guy doing a scan of my IP range and got lucky
I have only ever shared that VPS IP with one person and well it's not rolobot
also that hacker went randomly looking for $ to steal in unlikely places like freelancer.com
the guy I gave the IP to knows me well enough to know where my money is held

the IP hacker did manage to get into my emails
but I don't think bitcointalk ever sends us our pass in emails
I don't think the VPS hack would give that hacker access to my BCT account
and I don't think there is anyway rolobot could be that hacker anyway
im just having a bad week

[amartin99]

Offer me a price.

$300  I think not

no I have never been to rolobot.com before today
and the site is down and domain for sale

I would be willing to pay $20 to know where the breach is
but im not sure I would trust you to tell the truth


most likely your running a brute force attack on the forum to brake peoples passwords
iv seen it done on my own site
think we got that blocked there now though

[james.lent]

Offer me a price.

$300  I think not

no I have never been to rolobot.com before today
and the site is down and domain for sale

I would be willing to pay $20 to know where the breach is
but im not sure I would trust you to tell the truth


most likely your running a brute force attack on the forum to brake peoples passwords
iv seen it done on my own site
think we got that blocked there now though

Seriously wanna pay him $20?

[Ralobot.com]

Last price that i can accepte is 100$ and before you pay me that amount i will give you a small proof that i hacked you than after you pay me i will tell you.

cause trust me i can hack you anytime.... So ?

Offer me a price.

$300  I think not

no I have never been to rolobot.com before today
and the site is down and domain for sale

I would be willing to pay $20 to know where the breach is
but im not sure I would trust you to tell the truth


most likely your running a brute force attack on the forum to brake peoples passwords
iv seen it done on my own site
think we got that blocked there now though

[amartin99]

honistly I think you hacked the forum not me

and no im not paying $100
$20 maybe as I do like to learn loosely how things are done
not to the technical side of reproducing it
but just to have an idea of where the risks are

[Ralobot.com]

100$ or nope its up to you my friend. 

honistly I think you hacked the forum not me

and no im not paying $100
$20 maybe as I do like to learn loosely how things are done
not to the technical side of reproducing it
but just to have an idea of where the risks are

[SlidingHorn]

honistly I think you hacked the forum not me

and no im not paying $100
$20 maybe as I do like to learn loosely how things are done
not to the technical side of reproducing it
but just to have an idea of where the risks are

1.  You're seriously going to give MORE money to the asshole that supposedly scammed you?
2.  He didn't "hack the forum" - Your account was likely compromised.  Had they hacked the forum itself, I'm sure they'd have found better use of this access than to go after a newb member for $270.
3.  ...I got nothing other than to say if you do this, you're an idiot, and I won't feel the least bit of sympathy when they screw you over a second time.

[amartin99]

na it's not worth $100

most doors are easily closed by just taking the time to try
and re opened again later threw laziness

[amartin99]

honistly I think you hacked the forum not me

and no im not paying $100
$20 maybe as I do like to learn loosely how things are done
not to the technical side of reproducing it
but just to have an idea of where the risks are

1.  You're seriously going to give MORE money to the asshole that supposedly scammed you?
2.  He didn't "hack the forum" - Your account was likely compromised.  Had they hacked the forum itself, I'm sure they'd have found better use of this access than to go after a newb member for $270.
3.  ...I got nothing other than to say if you do this, you're an idiot, and I won't feel the least bit of sympathy when they screw you over a second time.

I said it would be worth $20 to me
didn't say I would trust him enough to actually pay it

and I don't mean hacked the hole forum
I mean ran a brute force to get one users account ID/pass
I have seen it before
they setup a script to try and collect users login/pass
I had a lot of trouble with people doing it on my site a year ago
WHMCS isn't setup to block such an attack
I dono about the forum as it's a dif system
but we had to make some changes to our site to block it

[xetsr]

honistly I think you hacked the forum not me

and no im not paying $100
$20 maybe as I do like to learn loosely how things are done
not to the technical side of reproducing it
but just to have an idea of where the risks are

I'm almost 100% sure you were hacked. Why would someone hack the forum and target you? Makes no sense. Sounds like you're in denial about it being your fault your account(s) were compromised. I really hope you figure out what happened soon and this doesn't repeat itself here and elsewhere again and again.

Good luck man.

EDIT:
Just seen your last reply. Brute forcing the password you claimed would be EXTREMELY hard to do, almost impossible without taking quite some time.

I hope you're taking this serious before other accounts are compromised too.

As for the fool trying to get you to pay, don't. Not even $20. How the fuck can you believe anything that guy says? How do you know he still doesn't have access to your account even though you changed your password?

[Ralobot.com]

amartin99 look boy i hacked your site and your pc i can proof it .... these are my last words how much do you offer before the next TD ?

[mexxer-2]

I mean ran a brute force to get one users account ID/pass

One can make a login attempt every 45 sec. , from an IP. Do the maths, its very unlikely unless the hacker had an unlimited amount of IPs and your pass was weak

they setup a script to try and collect users login/pass

You yourself said you have neither installed anything on your PC , nor do you remember going on a phising site


On a related note, this might've been connected to your site hack

[amartin99]

yes brute forcing that pass would be hard
that is why I used it

but I have not logged into this forum anywhere but from home
but they are not privately owned places they are large businesses
I haven't downloaded anything
or been in contact with him outside of the forum
he has no way to know my home IP

I can't think of any access he could possible have to me other then threw the forum
anyway got to be going out now

[mexxer-2]

I can't think of any access he could possible have to me other then threw the forum

Sounds like you're in complete denial about it being your fault your account(s) were compromised.

FTFY

[Ralobot.com]

i didnt hack you. i got a msg telling me to pay to an other pm account and i did than i got my money from escrow thats all i can say good bye .

yes brute forcing that pass would be hard
that is why I used it

but I have not logged into this forum anywhere but from home
but they are not privately owned places they are large businesses
I haven't downloaded anything
or been in contact with him outside of the forum
he has no way to know my home IP

I can't think of any access he could possible have to me other then threw the forum
anyway got to be going out now

[xetsr]

yes brute forcing that pass would be hard
that is why I used it

but I have not logged into this forum anywhere but from home
but they are not privately owned places they are large businesses
I haven't downloaded anything
or been in contact with him outside of the forum
he has no way to know my home IP

I can't think of any access he could possible have to me other then threw the forum
anyway got to be going out now

Sounds like you're completing fucked. I would keep a close eye on ALL your accounts. Read the message above about server requests. brute forcing your account would not be profitable considering the CPU usage and time that would be required.

Just trying to help but I guess I'll stop. Again, good luck.

[amartin99]

I mean ran a brute force to get one users account ID/pass

One can make a login attempt every 45 sec. , from an IP. Do the maths, its very unlikely unless the hacker had an unlimited amount of IPs and your pass was weak

they setup a script to try and collect users login/pass

You yourself said you have neither installed anything on your PC , nor do you remember going on a phising site


On a related note, this might've been connected to your site hack

IP limits are useless to hackers
my site wasn't hacked  one of my VPS's where but even that should not give him access to my account here
it is not connected
neither is my site actually
if I where to GIVE someone full access to my site or my VPS I see no way that would give them access here
 even the 2 sites I used the pass at  are new to me and not used on the VPS
anyway im out of time here

[SebastianJu]

i didnt hack you. i got a msg telling me to pay to an other pm account and i did than i got my money from escrow thats all i can say good bye .

*lol* Sounds like you have a lot ot time... now changing your story back. But still you don't want to provide proof for either of your claims.

[xetsr]

i didnt hack you. i got a msg telling me to pay to an other pm account and i did than i got my money from escrow thats all i can say good bye .

*lol* Sounds like you have a lot ot time... now changing your story back. But still you don't want to provide proof for either of your claims.

He's trying to get as much $$$ now as possible. Easy to see that

[Ralobot.com]

Dude you are crazy i said i've cleared my inbox ... if you want the pm transaction id i can post it here even if its not a proof so all i can do is laugh.... cause i didn't lose anything.

i didnt hack you. i got a msg telling me to pay to an other pm account and i did than i got my money from escrow thats all i can say good bye .

*lol* Sounds like you have a lot ot time... now changing your story back. But still you don't want to provide proof for either of your claims.

[xetsr]

Dude you are crazy i said i've cleared my inbox ... if you want the pm transaction id i can post it here even if its not a proof so all i can do is laugh.... cause i didn't lose anything.

i didnt hack you. i got a msg telling me to pay to an other pm account and i did than i got my money from escrow thats all i can say good bye .

*lol* Sounds like you have a lot ot time... now changing your story back. But still you don't want to provide proof for either of your claims.

Negative feedback was added for something else, either way. LOL.

[SebastianJu]

i didnt hack you. i got a msg telling me to pay to an other pm account and i did than i got my money from escrow thats all i can say good bye .

*lol* Sounds like you have a lot ot time... now changing your story back. But still you don't want to provide proof for either of your claims.

He's trying to get as much $$$ now as possible. Easy to see that

It looks like it. Though the info about how the hack happened would have been interesting. I wonder if he surely awaited that amartin99 would have paid him so much and that he would not even use an escrow for the $20.

Guess that guy is a troll too. Too much time on hands while claiming to have not the time to make a screenshot of the pm transaction.

[Ralobot.com]

Seb i said i dont give a fuck witch means i dont wanna waste my time on something stupid like a screanshout or a random pm transaction that can easly be faked if im a scammer.

anyways already told you my inbox was cleared for empty space .

So Seb how will u do escrow next time any new rules ?

[Indianacoin]

Indianacoin

What signed message? You realize that most persons don't have a staked address? Then I would have to get one address at the start of the trade only for the case that the account might be compromised and the hacker did not change the pass.

You know, I can offer that but I'm pretty sure either no one will do it or it will be a huge amount of time just to teach most of them that they learn how to sign messages, what a private key is, where to get it. I already had this alot. It is a mess to explain.

Well, if you really mean we now have to distrust every account that way then man, I would not like doing escrow anymore. It costs so much time already and pays practically nothing. Many big escrows already left because of the time needed and no reward.

I wonder if you ever tried to explain someone how to sign a message.

True.
But you must keep Shorena's how to sign a message thread^[1] handy from next time onwards just in case someone does not know about it.

Yeah I know escrows are a waste of time  if there is no reward for it.
It would be better if you start escrowing with a minimum fee of 0.01 BTC just as OGNasty started doing it already.
Heck I welcome every escrow providers to start at a base fee. This will be productive overall


[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990345.0

[Ralobot.com]

sign a message can be bypassed easly ....

Indianacoin

What signed message? You realize that most persons don't have a staked address? Then I would have to get one address at the start of the trade only for the case that the account might be compromised and the hacker did not change the pass.

You know, I can offer that but I'm pretty sure either no one will do it or it will be a huge amount of time just to teach most of them that they learn how to sign messages, what a private key is, where to get it. I already had this alot. It is a mess to explain.

Well, if you really mean we now have to distrust every account that way then man, I would not like doing escrow anymore. It costs so much time already and pays practically nothing. Many big escrows already left because of the time needed and no reward.

I wonder if you ever tried to explain someone how to sign a message.

True.
But you must keep Shorena's how to sign a message thread^[1] handy from next time onwards just in case someone does not know about it.

Yeah I know escrows are a waste of time  if there is no reward for it.
It would be better if you start escrowing with a minimum fee of 0.01 BTC just as OGNasty started doing it already.
Heck I welcome every escrow providers to start at a base fee. This will be productive overall


[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990345.0

[amartin99]

ok didn't say the sites before cause I didn't want to take the time to change the pass
done that now so

A-
the Pass I used here was also used at   payoneer.com   and   advcash.com
and I completely reject the thought that either of them have come here to rip me off
so my pass was not fished as there was no where to fish it from

B-
I do have a number of privet VPS that I setup on my own servers just to get a unique IP (have several Paypal accounts)
I use these PP accounts mostly to pay for my servers so rather then put in my Data-center passwords and links manually I just copied over my FF profile
I did this before joining this forum
then a few days ago (interesting timing) 2 of my VPS's got hacked
someone was in using the built in admin (I do all my work form that account)
first one was using an RDP scanner to search for more RDP's that he could brute his way into (im assuming it was a scan of my IP ranges from SYS that found my VPS's)
since I have never told anyone about them (well gave one person permission to us the one)
in the second I found the hacker using a password scanner to copy all my passwords from firefox (nice little program he left behind)
did a scan myself and it find 205 of my passwords (I get a round a bit hehehe)
the pass I used here is among them but this sites URL isn't
so it is POSSIBLE that the hacker copied all my passwords and ran a script to test them on a bunch of sites he knows of where he could run a scam
and found a connection here
it's HIGHLY unlikely but possible
however if this happened why would he send SebastianJu a message telling him to send the BTC on to Rolobot ?
if it was Rolobot that hacked my VPS how did he learn of it ?
I consider it nearly impossible that my VPS was the leek of my pass in this case
something else has happened here

C-
just before I traded with Rolobot I had a trade with "beel123"
I set my BTC fee's to low and the payment never got confirmed
it took me 4-5 days to get him his BTC (he was really understanding)
along the way I learned that I had to get the unconfirmed transaction removed from my BTC core to get the funds back
beel123 said to look here  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=35214.0
that thread got me to download this file https://github.com/jackjack-jj/pywallet
I opened it looked at it had no idea what to do with it and went another route (altering the run properties for the BTC core)
could that file I downloaded have somehow copied my password and sent it to someone else ?
I don't think so but this is the ONLY thing I have downloaded since joining this forum

D-
SKYPE
I have talked to a few people in skype
could they somehow infect my computer threw skype
I don't think so

======================================================

I have ran out of ways to blame my own security for this hack
I am not trying to blame the forum security out of pride or denial
I simply see no way that this could be my fault
if you can think of another way please tell me, as I would love to find that I am responsible
that would mean it's something I can fix


----------------------------------------------------------------------
just thought of one more
maybe 4-5 days ago somone joined new and used there first post to acuse me of being a scammer
linking to somone elces trust report as so called proof (a report that did not even have one referince to me on it)
every time I went to see that lionk I had to re-login
I suspected it was a fishing site so I reported the thread to a MOD and rushed off to change my pass
by the time I got that done the thread had been removed
I dono if that was a fishing URL or not
it looked real but the only time I had to login was when I clicked his link
MAYBE it was more then a fishing site  maybe it installed something that copied my pass every time I changed it
as the thread is gone I can't point you to it
this is the ONLY thing I can think of with any real chance of being the source of my problems

[xetsr]

just thought of one more
maybe 4-5 days ago somone joined new and used there first post to acuse me of being a scammer
linking to somone elces trust report as so called proof (a report that did not even have one referince to me on it)
every time I went to see that lionk I had to re-login
I suspected it was a fishing site so I reported the thread to a MOD and rushed off to change my pass
by the time I got that done the thread had been removed
I dono if that was a fishing URL or not
it looked real but the only time I had to login was when I clicked his link
MAYBE it was more then a fishing site  maybe it installed something that copied my pass every time I changed it
as the thread is gone I can't point you to it
this is the ONLY thing I can think of with any real chance of being the source of my problems

I have ran out of ways to blame my own security for this hack
I am not trying to blame the forum security out of pride or denial
I simply see no way that this could be my fault

You fell for it once, you don't think it's possible the second time? Hackers usually continue to target the suckers (no offense) they find.

Clear your browsing history lately? If not, might wanna take the time to go through each and every site you visited between now and then.

BTW, of course they look real. They are usually EXACT copies of the site. Only thing that's changed is the user name and password form. See here for an example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1378303.0

[amartin99]

other then that thread for removing unverified transactions I haven't clicked any off forum links
I have been mostly just responding to PM's and waiting on BTC to return my funds
I don't do much browsing around as im to busy with my RDP business

[Quickseller]

Quickseller, mexxer-2, lutpin

Well, I don't know. Quickseller, mexxer-2, lutpin... what is your opinion. Should I remove the red trust because in doubt removing?

The below is ignoring the fact there is apparently evidence that Ralobot.com is an alt of a scammer.

It looks like that Ralobot.com is claiming that he received a PM from amartin99 requesting that fiat be sent to a different PM address/account, however he is also claiming that he has deleted this PM. Depending on how long the alleged PM was in either amartin99 or Ralobot.com's inbox, the deleted PM may be recoverable by theymos (or anyone else with access to the forum's backups), although it is a fair amount of trouble to restore PMs that have been deleted by both the sender and the recipient so theymos may not be willing to go through the trouble of doing this.

As it stands now, it appears that Ralobot.com has not disputed the fact that he received BTC to the address that he requested BTC to be sent to. Ralobot.com could dispute this fact in the future, however this potential dispute could be refuted by providing PM logs showing evidence that Ralobot.com requested BTC to be related to a specific address as well as the txid of the btc being sent to such address.

Additionally, it looks like both parties agreed that Ralobot.com was to receive ~.64BTC in exchange for $279.93 sent to amartin99 via either PM or skrill. Ralobot.com also does not appear to dispute this fact, however if he did choose to dispute this, either amartin99 or your could show PM logs in which Ralobot.com agreed to these terms.

From what I can gather, it looks like Ralobot.com is not able to provide any kind of evidence that he sent any amount of PM/skrill to amartin99 at an address provided by amartin99.

Based on the above, it looks like amartin99 has carried out his side of the agreement, but Ralobot.com has not. Based on this fact, I would say that negative trust would be warranted for Ralobot.com. If however Ralobot.com is able to provide some kind of evidence that he received instructions to send PM/skrill to a certain address by amartin99 and that he did in fact send the appropriate amount of PM/skrill to such address, then depending on how believable such evidence is, I would consider removing such negative feedback. I would not however simply take his word for it.

[SebastianJu]

Ralobot.com

Seb i said i dont give a fuck witch means i dont wanna waste my time on something stupid like a screanshout or a random pm transaction that can easly be faked if im a scammer.

anyways already told you my inbox was cleared for empty space .

So Seb how will u do escrow next time any new rules ?

You say that you don't have the time to take a simple screenshot and post it. That is the work of maximum 2 minutes. Though in turn you post around, stories about you being the hacker, trying to get something for revealing the trick then suddenly change your story back because you don't receive the money.

You waisted hours posting and reading this and you still try to convince us that you don't have time to post a screenshot? Seriously... would you believe yourself?

Regarding new rules... well, it sounds hard to find a rule. I think maybe a warning to check the trading partners trust first and only proceed then. And an offer to the seller and buyer to give me an address of theirs before the trade and ask me to release the bitcoins only to an address that is in a message signed with the address of the seller and only release the bitcoins when it is in a message signed with the address of the buyer.

Together with a link to shorena's thread.

But seriously. I already know this will become a big mess. I already see the huge amount of questions I will receive then.

Well done sir...

sign a message can be bypassed easly ....

How would you bypass it? I only imagine faking it though of course a message makes only sense when checked.


Indianacoin

But you must keep Shorena's how to sign a message thread^[1] handy from next time onwards just in case someone does not know about it.

Yeah I know escrows are a waste of time  if there is no reward for it.
It would be better if you start escrowing with a minimum fee of 0.01 BTC just as OGNasty started doing it already.
Heck I welcome every escrow providers to start at a base fee. This will be productive overall


[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990345.0

Yes I know this thread and it is quite usefull though I can ensure you if you try to explain it with a link to a newbie... that is not all. It will be a big mess.

A base fee is fine and all but what should I do with 0.01 Bitcoin? That's $4 for the whole deal and believe me deals take alot of time often enough. With problems it will be many hours, and so on. Though ok, I have many deals where I don't receive anything. Maybe I really should value my time more and think about that.

I will see how I can deal with that. First I will ask other escrows what they think.


amartin99



If you would come over a phising website then your browser password would not show up. As well when you use a password database with browser extension. Such things can help preventing to go to phishing sites. As long as you don't put in the password per hand.

Did you do somewhere?

If a hacker gets a number of passwords then he really might be hacking bitcoinrelated. Maybe searching for wallets on VPS or something. Passwords he would most probably put in his password database though the forum has a 5 minute ban for logins into the same account. He could try it out on bitcointalk though he would have to know your username. Did you somewhere use the same username so that he could have checked if such a user exists on BCT?

It would have taken a bit but he would have been able to login.

Exactly... why telling me to send the coins to the address ralobot sent me? I mean ralobot wrote that he received his coins. That would mean the hacker would only have been interested in the PM. Then his scam was over after he received it. Sending this pm would only stir shit, like it happened when you got involved.

So seriously, this makes only sense when ralobot would be the hacker since he would then have both. His pm and his coins. And surely he never sent pm which is why he can't give a screenshot.

I don't know about the github script. Surely they will host all kind of code stuff and not controlling it.

You mentioned somewhere that you had to relogin into BCT every time visiting a link. Did you login manually or autofill? It might have been a phising link. Surely the hacker would have changed the link by now or deleted the pm.

If you changed the pass afterwards then I wonder how he should be notified. No email is sent out when sending pass. And when he was logged in on another pc at that time then he would be logged out after the change.

Otherwise, I'm not sure, it might be that the session of bitcointalk failed when the hacker logged in. He did not set to stay logged in and so your account was logged out after some time. Then you would have to relogin even though you do it with staying logged in enabled.

I don't know about skype but I think I heard about risks of skype besides privacy issues.

You should stop blaming the forum because it makes no sense that it is the forums fault. You are a small new user. Don't you think a hacker would hack another account on here then? There are users with huge piles of cash, unfortunately Iam not one of them even as escrow , and you surely would not have been the target.

Did you have set up recover account by hidden question?


Quickseller


Thanks for your opinion!

Yes, I think it is unlikely that he can't even spend the 2 minutes to make a screenshot and post it but instead posting on here for hours, telling stories of he being the hacker, trying to get money for the trick and then back out as being not the hacker anymore. Makes no sense.

It makes even less sense that, when the hacker received his PM, he would send a pm to me so that I pay ralobot. I mean it would be useless for the hacker. In fact dangerous. Drawing attention on the case.

The hacker would only do this when he would gain something from it.

In my opinion that shows pretty well that ralobot was the scammer. He has coins and pm now and he surely didn't bother sending the PM fiat out. That's the only reason he can't provide the screenshot.

[Emerge]

IIRC this sort of thing happened to me a long time ago when I asked for a loan..
Hacker sent message with a new address. Good thing the lender quoted the message and I asked him not to send the BTC.

Close call.
Sad this happened to you :/

[SebastianJu]

IIRC this sort of thing happened to me a long time ago when I asked for a loan..
Hacker sent message with a new address. Good thing the lender quoted the message and I asked him not to send the BTC.

Close call.
Sad this happened to you :/

Even though it was different with you it might be an idea to simply ask the seller if I either really should send to the address the seller sent, so that it is correct and quote the message. And quote the message from the buyer to release the coins.

Though there would still be the risk that the hacker reads the pm first, answers and deletes the pm.

[markj113]

Seems Ralobot.com is a scammer using fake links to the forum to harvest usernames and passwords :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1389494.0

[xetsr]

Seems Ralobot.com is a scammer using fake links to the forum to harvest usernames and passwords :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1389494.0

Knew it, amartin99 didn't want to listen but there you have it.

Someone needs to look more into how phishing sites work or expect their info to get stolen again and again.

Domain was registered back in January. Could have gone unnoticed for awhile because the phisher never changes password, deletes PMs and a few other things.

[SebastianJu]

Well, so all his non matching stories had a reason.

Amartin99, at least your password manager should have warned about it. No autofill of passwords would happen on the phising site.

[beel]

martin

i am sorry to hear that you lost some usd
 i have traded with martin for 150 usd btc for skrill
and he is legit


how come your account was compromised and the timming was perfect


i ask the forum guys is there something we all should be worried about

because i see this as a new method

and indeed its very dangerous of all method scammers use 

[amartin99]

Well, so all his non matching stories had a reason.

Amartin99, at least your password manager should have warned about it. No autofill of passwords would happen on the phising site.

honestly my mind was on the accusation that I was a scammer
I looked back and forth several times trying o make sense of it since I didn't know the user and the link was to another users feedback not mine
I did suspect the link was a fishing site and changed my pass (then stopped visiting it)
then the hole thread vanished and I figured the staff agreed with me
didn't give it more thought till making that last reply trying to think of any possible breach in my own security
but I did change my pass that day and this all happened several days later

with this loss and another $40 to another guy
and payza not getting around to send the $140 they owe me to BTC as requested
im a bit set back in my plans here
I have more $ but I think it is better used securing my RDP business which is bringing me a consent profit
ill invest more here again when im back stable
I still plan to get into currency trading big time
but it will take longer then id planned

[Mickeyb]

i ask the forum guys is there something we all should be worried about

Not at all. Don't stupidly click any link that any random stranger sends you and you are going to be alright

[amartin99]

I changed my pass after clicking that link

[amartin99]

wish that thread was still around so I could take another look at it
but as I recall the thread was on http://bitcointalk.org
and his link was on https://bitcointalk.org

at the time I thought I was being perinoid suspecting it was a fishing site cause the main domain was the same as the forum
I don't fully understand how these little changes in domain names work
http://bitcointalk.org
http://www.bitcointalk.org
https://www.bitcointalk.org
they should all be the same place but im not 100% sure
and that was the only dif I saw in his URL
I accused it of being a fishing site only cause I had to keep logging in

now im wondering about some other things I used to tinker with a few year back
dono if they can still be done
but there used to be a way to set a webpage coding so it would alter the URL being displayed in your address box
changing the real address of a link in the forum is easy if the forum is not set to prevent that

in the end the only reason I had to suspect the link was to a fishing site was the fact that I had to login
but that was enough for me to decide to change my pass just encase
I should have been safe

[SebastianJu]

wish that thread was still around so I could take another look at it
but as I recall the thread was on http://bitcointalk.org
and his link was on https://bitcointalk.org

at the time I thought I was being perinoid suspecting it was a fishing site cause the main domain was the same as the forum
I don't fully understand how these little changes in domain names work
http://bitcointalk.org
http://www.bitcointalk.org
https://www.bitcointalk.org
they should all be the same place but im not 100% sure
and that was the only dif I saw in his URL
I accused it of being a fishing site only cause I had to keep logging in

now im wondering about some other things I used to tinker with a few year back
dono if they can still be done
but there used to be a way to set a webpage coding so it would alter the URL being displayed in your address box
changing the real address of a link in the forum is easy if the forum is not set to prevent that

in the end the only reason I had to suspect the link was to a fishing site was the fact that I had to login
but that was enough for me to decide to change my pass just encase
I should have been safe

The url's you posted actually ARE the same. They all lead to this forum here.

You should have been cautious for having to login again. You should have been even more cautious when your firefox password was not autofilled. It surely wasn't and you had to manually login.

It was harder to see that the L in bitcointalk was replaced with an I. The little L looks very similar. And still it is a completely different URL and domain.

So the http is not a real problem. That the domain name was different, that was the problem. That domain had nothing to do with this forum except that it copied the contents from here and caught your password.

Though I surely don't know how he still could access it after you changed pass. Does your password change show up here: https://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php

Maybe you forgot to change or changed it to the old ony by mistake.

Theymos might put that domain name in autocorrect so that it automatically gets corrected.

[amartin99]

well it shows me changing my pass on February 27
must have been the day that thread was made

im pretty careful when changing passwords but anything is possible
he got in my account somehow

[amartin99]

if you had access to my computer then why bother with a trick/trade at all ?
why not just use the access to send yourself my money and avoid getting your account wrecked here ?

don't think I have seen an account so far into the red before hehehe

[amartin99]

Ralobot.com is persistently PMing me trying to convince me he has access to my home PC
but everything he shows me is outdated info likely gathered from a fishing site (faking this forum)

[justspare]

this is a vary strange situation

I was chatting with "SebastianJu"  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18640
and  "Ralobot.com"  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=561660
over a traid

I sent "SebastianJu" 0.64329373 BTC https://blockchain.info/tx/5c8e38c069f06f69fefa68331c7eb0e2d6537cd1cb914aa839ced40843d1d6d5
worth $270 now
"Ralobot.com" was to send me $279.93 in PM or skrill
he has sent me nothing
but I got an email http://prntscr.com/ab344z
saying that "SebastianJu" sent me a PM saying he has received one from me telling him to release the BTC
I never sent "SebastianJu" any such PM
and I can't find this PM from him in my account
 I don't see my last PM to "SebastianJu" in my history either

but I see his BTC account is now empty
https://blockchain.info/address/1MUpPFyAbgs66Xjh4qd7SZ2LTdmS1YMFsS

I have not heard from either of them on this
feel I just got scammed out of $270

Maybe you are the one to blame for this issue. You might have been talking to a fake and then sent the Bitcoin to a fake address. You never know.

[amartin99]

this is a vary strange situation

I was chatting with "SebastianJu"  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18640
and  "Ralobot.com"  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=561660
over a traid

I sent "SebastianJu" 0.64329373 BTC https://blockchain.info/tx/5c8e38c069f06f69fefa68331c7eb0e2d6537cd1cb914aa839ced40843d1d6d5
worth $270 now
"Ralobot.com" was to send me $279.93 in PM or skrill
he has sent me nothing
but I got an email http://prntscr.com/ab344z
saying that "SebastianJu" sent me a PM saying he has received one from me telling him to release the BTC
I never sent "SebastianJu" any such PM
and I can't find this PM from him in my account
 I don't see my last PM to "SebastianJu" in my history either

but I see his BTC account is now empty
https://blockchain.info/address/1MUpPFyAbgs66Xjh4qd7SZ2LTdmS1YMFsS

I have not heard from either of them on this
feel I just got scammed out of $270

Maybe you are the one to blame for this issue. You might have been talking to a fake and then sent the Bitcoin to a fake address. You never know.

yea I know that didn't happen because "SebastianJu" is threw out this thread saying he did get the BTC and pass it on

[Mickeyb]

Ralobot.com is persistently PMing me trying to convince me he has access to my home PC

Thats when you know he's desperate for even a few more satoshi. He's lying

[amartin99]

Ralobot.com is persistently PMing me trying to convince me he has access to my home PC

Thats when you know he's desperate for even a few more satoshi. He's lying

yea I don't see anything missing