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January 28, 2013, 09:48:42 PM
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According to an account that Hagel later gave, and is reported here for the first time, he told Obama: “We are at a time where there is a new world order. We don’t control it. You must question everything, every assumption, everything they” — the military and diplomats — “tell you. Any assumption 10 years old is out of date. You need to question our role. You need to question the military. You need to question what are we using the military for.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bob-woodward-why-obama-picked-hagel-for-defense-secretary/2013/01/27/b87eb8ce-68ae-11e2-af53-7b2b2a7510a8_story.html
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January 28, 2013, 10:21:38 PM
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According to an account that Hagel later gave, and is reported here for the first time, he told Obama: “We are at a time where there is a new world order. We don’t control it. You must question everything, every assumption, everything they” — the military and diplomats — “tell you. Any assumption 10 years old is out of date. You need to question our role. You need to question the military. You need to question what are we using the military for.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bob-woodward-why-obama-picked-hagel-for-defense-secretary/2013/01/27/b87eb8ce-68ae-11e2-af53-7b2b2a7510a8_story.html

It's not the Conspiracy theorists "New World Order" he is talking about. It's the super power war waging mentality in Defence and diplomacy that is, or has to change.


 
 
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January 29, 2013, 02:29:34 AM
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It's not the Conspiracy theorists "New World Order" he is talking about. It's the super power war waging mentality in Defence and diplomacy that is, or has to change.

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"The president has not had commander-in-chief control of the Pentagon since Bush senior was president," Hagel said privately in 2011.

Most people are taking this to mean that GHWB retained control, behind the scenes, since he left office.  It has been strongly hinted, even in mainstream media, that he retained control over the CIA.

Remember, the "conspiracy theorists' New World Order" is Bush's "New World Order".  And the only presidents to wage large-scale wars in the US in the last 35 years have been named "Bush".

Regardless, rumor is that Hagel won't be confirmed anyways.

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January 29, 2013, 10:18:00 AM
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And the only presidents to wage large-scale wars in the US in the last 35 years have been named "Bush".


I guess you implying that Obama and Reagan are also named Bush?  And Carter?
 
Or maybe you are referring obliquely to some domestic policies ("in the US")?     
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January 29, 2013, 02:05:55 PM
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I admit, I was pretty young at the time, but feel free to enlighten us as to the target of this great American War of the Carter/Reagan years?

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February 03, 2013, 12:02:56 PM
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I admit, I was pretty young at the time, but feel free to enlighten us as to the target of this great American War of the Carter/Reagan years?


Here's a small list to get you started. 

Zaire - 1975-1978
Jamaica - 1976-1980
Seychelles - 1979-1981
Grenada - 1979-1984
Morocco - 1983
Suriname - 1982-1984
Libya - 1981-1989
Nicaragua - 1981-1990
Panama - 1969-1991
Afghanistan - 1979-1992
El Salvador - 1980-1994
Haiti - 1986-1994




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