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April 27, 2021, 01:03:51 PM
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So I’ve been hearing news about sprint racing that’s going to be tested in three GP’s this year.  I watched a video about it, explaining it and it just confused me.  Lol.  Let’s see how it goes and if it makes every GP better for the fans.  I wonder how it changes from a betting perspective tho.

So are the rumors.In the Miami circuit which we will race for the first time this year I saw a virtual lap around this track and it had huge straights and very low speed corners.It should be really good to watch on TV and also from the betting perspective I expect at least one or more safety car during this race as a sure bet.

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April 27, 2021, 03:23:51 PM
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So I’ve been hearing news about sprint racing that’s going to be tested in three GP’s this year.  I watched a video about it, explaining it and it just confused me.  Lol.  Let’s see how it goes and if it makes every GP better for the fans.  I wonder how it changes from a betting perspective tho.

So are the rumors.In the Miami circuit which we will race for the first time this year I saw a virtual lap around this track and it had huge straights and very low speed corners.It should be really good to watch on TV and also from the betting perspective I expect at least one or more safety car during this race as a sure bet.

I can't assess the new mode yet, it is explained further down, but we will see whether this is more exciting. Apparently the new mode will be tested on 3 tracks this year.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.everything-you-need-to-know-about-f1s-new-sprint-qualifying-format-including.1Lawf6r6Ab0y8ha0satSjx.html

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-sprint-qualifying-to-debut-at-three-grands-prix-in-2021-following.1v9LRuPpTk9JXpmE5xK4sK.html

A few moments from the Portuguese GP in the past, starting with Senna's first win.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.from-sennas-first-victory-to-raikkonens-thrilling-opening-lap-5-feelgood.3gyQ0FeNRCbiF5XgzUCMp5.html

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April 27, 2021, 09:16:05 PM
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So I’ve been hearing news about sprint racing that’s going to be tested in three GP’s this year.  I watched a video about it, explaining it and it just confused me.  Lol.  Let’s see how it goes and if it makes every GP better for the fans.  I wonder how it changes from a betting perspective tho.

Well for the majority of the fans is only moving the qualify from Saturday to earlier and having a 40-minute mini GP on Saturday and a full GP on Sunday.
The rules about tires are only for the "nerds" of the sports for the majority of people it will not make an appearance in their head.

The 3 races are official but not confirmed.

The plan is to have Monza Silverston and Interlagos.

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April 27, 2021, 09:29:16 PM
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So I’ve been hearing news about sprint racing that’s going to be tested in three GP’s this year.  I watched a video about it, explaining it and it just confused me.  Lol.  Let’s see how it goes and if it makes every GP better for the fans.  I wonder how it changes from a betting perspective tho.

So are the rumors.In the Miami circuit which we will race for the first time this year I saw a virtual lap around this track and it had huge straights and very low speed corners.It should be really good to watch on TV and also from the betting perspective I expect at least one or more safety car during this race as a sure bet.
I see mixed opinions about sprint races on social media. Personally, I haven't decided how I like idea of sprint races. I want to see it first and rate how I like it.
@swogerino, race in Miami track will be next year, not this season. Basically, it's track in stadium parking. It looks similar to new Jeddah street circuit. I said it many times already, but there is too many boring city circuits in F1 and I don't really like that number of such tracks increase.

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April 28, 2021, 03:26:57 PM
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So I’ve been hearing news about sprint racing that’s going to be tested in three GP’s this year.  I watched a video about it, explaining it and it just confused me.  Lol.  Let’s see how it goes and if it makes every GP better for the fans.  I wonder how it changes from a betting perspective tho.

So are the rumors.In the Miami circuit which we will race for the first time this year I saw a virtual lap around this track and it had huge straights and very low speed corners.It should be really good to watch on TV and also from the betting perspective I expect at least one or more safety car during this race as a sure bet.
I see mixed opinions about sprint races on social media. Personally, I haven't decided how I like idea of sprint races. I want to see it first and rate how I like it.
@swogerino, race in Miami track will be next year, not this season. Basically, it's track in stadium parking. It looks similar to new Jeddah street circuit. I said it many times already, but there is too many boring city circuits in F1 and I don't really like that number of such tracks increase.

I can't imagine the sprint race either and I'll wait and see if it's exciting and how exactly it goes with the tires for Sunday. Do the teams then also have one more set of tires available?

When is the Miami city race planned for 2022?




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April 28, 2021, 04:21:14 PM
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It seems that it has been 3 seasons, but I just found out that there is an electric motorbike race. This amazed me, apart from Formula E there seems to be Moto E. In fact, I have never seen this race and know the engine system. I don't know if this is still in this topic or I have to create a new Topic.
According to sources I got the first series will take place this weekend. There are 18 riders who will compete this season. The following is a list of the teams and the names of the drivers.



The MotoE 2021 provisional calendar was released on 11 November 2020, featuring 7 races across 6 venues, The following is the full schedule for the Moto E series.




Source: https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/MotoE_musim_2021

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April 28, 2021, 06:09:25 PM
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Jorge Martin's crash looks bad, and I didn't see anything like an airbag even if apparently there is one according to the graph.

He just had surgery so planning on his return is a bit early I feel.
Likewise, I also did not see the drivers' airbag pockets open when they fall or an accident occurs. I also just found out that they actually have airbags in their clothes. I was a little surprised, but if the airbags were working at least a crash like Marquez used to be wouldn't be that bad.

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April 28, 2021, 08:11:39 PM
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Well for the majority of the fans is only moving the qualify from Saturday to earlier and having a 40-minute mini GP on Saturday and a full GP on Sunday.
The rules about tires are only for the "nerds" of the sports for the majority of people it will not make an appearance in their head.

The thing is though, the cap on expenditure this season could have big repercussions for the sprint race. Teams only have a small amount of money to spend. We saw Toto talking about it after the Bottas crash last race... how Russell as a Mercedes driver was irresponsible, given that the money it takes to repair a car is money that is taken out of the development budget.

I can't see drivers going all out in the sprint races. Yes they'll want to get a good position, but equally they will try hard not to trash the car.






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I can't imagine the sprint race either and I'll wait and see if it's exciting and how exactly it goes with the tires for Sunday. Do the teams then also have one more set of tires available?

When is the Miami city race planned for 2022?


Yep Miami 2022. We already have a video and it seems a nice track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZQrprQNS-c

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It seems that it has been 3 seasons, but I just found out that there is an electric motorbike race. This amazed me, apart from Formula E there seems to be Moto E. In fact, I have never seen this race and know the engine system. I don't know if this is still in this topic or I have to create a new Topic.
According to sources I got the first series will take place this weekend. There are 18 riders who will compete this season. The following is a list of the teams and the names of the drivers.

https://imgbb.com

The MotoE 2021 provisional calendar was released on 11 November 2020, featuring 7 races across 6 venues, The following is the full schedule for the Moto E series.




Source: https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/MotoE_musim_2021
I remember that last year I accidentally got live stream of Moto E race on my Youtube feed. I watched a bit of it and race left me strange impression in comparison with good old Moto GP.

Likewise, I also did not see the drivers' airbag pockets open when they fall or an accident occurs. I also just found out that they actually have airbags in their clothes. I was a little surprised, but if the airbags were working at least a crash like Marquez used to be wouldn't be that bad.
I'm not that familiar with Moto GP, but similar airbags are used in off-road moto racing like Dakar:
https://www.advpulse.com/adv-news/alpinestars-announces-new-off-road-airbag-system/
I don't know how effective it's, but I think that even minimal safety improvement is good thing.

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I remember that last year I accidentally got live stream of Moto E race on my Youtube feed. I watched a bit of it and race left me strange impression in comparison with good old Moto GP.



Perhaps the strange thing is the sound, there is no engine sound before the motor runs. I think this is part of an environmentally friendly promotion, like formula E. I just read that Motor E is also capable of run at a speed of 270km / h almost like an oil-fueled motorbike. They use an electric motor supplied by an Italian company, Energica. The weight of the motorbike also reaches 260 kg, heavier than the MotoGp, only 158 kg.

Source: google.com

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April 29, 2021, 04:37:46 AM
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Well for the majority of the fans is only moving the qualify from Saturday to earlier and having a 40-minute mini GP on Saturday and a full GP on Sunday.
The rules about tires are only for the "nerds" of the sports for the majority of people it will not make an appearance in their head.

The thing is though, the cap on expenditure this season could have big repercussions for the sprint race. Teams only have a small amount of money to spend. We saw Toto talking about it after the Bottas crash last race... how Russell as a Mercedes driver was irresponsible, given that the money it takes to repair a car is money that is taken out of the development budget.

I can't see drivers going all out in the sprint races. Yes they'll want to get a good position, but equally they will try hard not to trash the car.

@Cnut237 if this is the case then I feel the teams who take a risk and not care if they wreck the car in process can finish at a better spot, and if that happens than maybe we can see some other drivers win the races. Also do you’ll actually feel that Mercedes and Ferrari will instruct their drivers to take care of their cars, even if it means finishing at a lower spot?.
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Free practice 1 done.

1   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m19.648s
2   Max Verstappen   NED   Red Bull Racing   1m19.673s
3   Sergio Perez   MEX   Red Bull Racing   1m19.846s
4   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m19.884s
5   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m19.967s
6   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m20.444s
7   George Russell   GBR   Williams Racing   1m20.529s
8   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m20.635s
9   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m20.680s
10   Esteban Ocon   FRA   Alpine F1 Team   1m20.800s
11   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m20.894s
12   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m20.995s
13   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m21.090s
14   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Alpine F1 Team   1m21.303s
15   Kimi Raikkonen   FIN   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m21.381s
16   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m21.405s
17   Callum Ilott   GBR   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m21.806s
18   Mick Schumacher   GER   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m21.939s
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m22.293s
20   Nikita Mazepin   RUS   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m22.224s

https://www.crash.net/f1/results/976353/1/f1-2021-portuguese-grand-prix-free-practice-results-1

As always good Redbull and Mercedes.
So far here it seems Ferrari as 3rd and Mclaren can't fight for it.

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April 30, 2021, 04:42:51 PM
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I made bet that Kimi Raikonnen will win ‘group 3’ in qualifying.  I didn’t think that Williams would have the pace.  But looking at both FP1 and FP2, it looks like I’m throwing my money away again.  Lol.  That former WRC VW super team working on the Williams could be legit. 



2021 Portuguese GP FP2 Results

1   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m19.837s
2   Max Verstappen   NED   Red Bull Racing   1m19.980s
3   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m20.181s
4   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m20.197s
5   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Alpine F1 Team   1m20.220s
6   Esteban Ocon   FRA   Alpine F1 Team   1m20.235s
7   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m20.360s
8   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m20.418s
9   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m20.427s
10   Sergio Perez   MEX   Red Bull Racing   1m20.516s
11   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m20.558s
12   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m20.757s
13   George Russell   GBR   Williams Racing   1m20.976s
14   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m21.053s
15   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m21.074s
16   Kimi Raikkonen   FIN   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m21.225s
17   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m21.238s
18   Mick Schumacher   GER   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m21.537s
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m21.855s
20   Nikita Mazepin   RUS   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m22.638

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April 30, 2021, 06:28:23 PM
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I remember that last year I accidentally got live stream of Moto E race on my Youtube feed. I watched a bit of it and race left me strange impression in comparison with good old Moto GP.



Perhaps the strange thing is the sound, there is no engine sound before the motor runs. I think this is part of an environmentally friendly promotion, like formula E. I just read that Motor E is also capable of run at a speed of 270km / h almost like an oil-fueled motorbike. They use an electric motor supplied by an Italian company, Energica. The weight of the motorbike also reaches 260 kg, heavier than the MotoGp, only 158 kg.

Source: google.com

Moto E in its current form is not a competition to MotoGP, too slow and much too heavy. Also very dangerous in the event of an accident, so nothing practical. I've also seen Moto E live, I wouldn't pay a cent to enter, something so boring and unspectacular for spectators, no biket would want to see it. My personal opinion.

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April 30, 2021, 07:07:14 PM
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I made bet that Kimi Raikonnen will win ‘group 3’ in qualifying.  I didn’t think that Williams would have the pace.  But looking at both FP1 and FP2, it looks like I’m throwing my money away again.  Lol.  That former WRC VW super team working on the Williams could be legit. 

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I'm sorry that you lost your bet. George Russell is really a very talented driver I believe. Even with a Williams car, he is doing more than the expected for sure. If it weren't for the big accident in the last race, I think he was going to finish at a very good position.

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April 30, 2021, 07:11:37 PM
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A big surprise from Alpine so far.
They are very fast, can they compete with Ferrari for 3rd place or it is only a bluff?

Ferrari has a new down part of the car and they seem very competitive so far but Mercedes and Redbull will probably go un in horse power tomorrow.

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May 01, 2021, 01:57:14 PM
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FP3 rusults here.

1   Max Verstappen   NED   Red Bull Racing   1m18.489s
2   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m18.725s
3   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m18.820s
4   Sergio Perez   MEX   Red Bull Racing   1m18.840s
5   Esteban Ocon   FRA   Alpine F1 Team   1m18.860s
6   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m19.001s
7   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m19.050s
8   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m19.272s
9   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m19.374s
10   Kimi Raikkonen   FIN   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m19.415s
11   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m19.485s
12   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m19.582s
13   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m19.588s
14   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Alpine F1 Team   1m19.949s
15   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m20.007s
16   Mick Schumacher   GER   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m20.033s
17   George Russell   GBR   Williams Racing   1m20.127s
18   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m20.214s
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m20.681s
20   Nikita Mazepin   RUS   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m20.690s

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/976613/1/f1-2021-portuguese-grand-prix-free-practice-results-3

ALPINE is on fire, they can even reach the 3rd row today if they have the perfect lap.

Qualify starting in minutes.

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May 01, 2021, 03:16:57 PM
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The qualifying is over and sadly mercedes was pretty far ahead of the other teams again with a 0,4s gap between mercedes and verstappen. Bottas managed to beat hamilton today which will help him to get some confidence back after the bad results he had in the last races. Great performance of vettel today as he managed to reach Q3 today and his teammate was already eliminated in Q1. For tomorrows race i am afraid that i will most likely be a clear victory for mercedes as they can start on the medium tyres. It will be interesting to see, if Bottas is allowed and able to battle with hamilton for the victory.
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May 01, 2021, 03:17:22 PM
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I'm so hyped for the race tomorrow because the race seems so tight and I think everyone in top 5 has a fair chance to win it as we saw what can happen with this gummy circuit who can kill the tyres in a matter of few corners. Who would've thought that the last sprint in Q3 gonna be full of yellow times ? No one surpassed the previous time that they've done.

Overall , great qualifiers and good to see some redemption for Vettel as he reached q3.

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