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[bbc.reporter]

What a boring way to win the driver's championship. I do not know why the fans are happy.

The season started with high expectations with the faster cars and the new rules. I thought the sport was going to be exciting again. Let us hope 2018 will be better.

I will also be following Max Verstappen's career very closely from now on.

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[Bitinity]

What a boring way to win the driver's championship. I do not know why the fans are happy.

The season started with high expectations with the faster cars and the new rules. I thought the sport was going to be exciting again. Let us hope 2018 will be better.

I will also be following Max Verstappen's career very closely from now on.

That's normal, fans are still fans who love to see their favorite to be champion no matter how the process of the winning. I have to agree it was a boring way, but no one expected it at the beginning of the season. 2018 would be much more better imho, I'm sure other teams and riders will do a big evaluation to make the next season better than the latest season.

[cicciobtc]

Standings Drivers after 18 of 20 races:

1.Hamilton        333     gap

2.Vettel              277     -56
3.Bottas             262     -71

4.Ricciardo         192   -141
5.Raikkonen       178   -155

6.Verstappen      148    -185
7.Perez                 92    -241
8.Ocon                  83    -250
9.Sainz                  54    -279
10.Stroll                40    -293


With Lewis Hamilton already world champion mathematically, only the positions of consolation remain:
Vettel and Bottas are struggling for second place.
Ricciardo and Raikkonen are struggling for fourth place.
Great season for Esteban Ocon perhaps the best rider among outsiders this year.
I think he will be able to go to a top team in the future

[tokeweed]

Final two races to go folks.  I wish the latter part of the season went better than what it showed us.  Ferrari had an excellent start, but due to technical difficulties, driver (singular, you know who) error and bad judgement, they just couldn't stay close with Merc.

Let's see what they can do next year.

2017 Brazillian GP Time Table
All times are local (Sao Paulo is GMT -2)

Thursday 9 November
11:00 – 12:00: FIA press conference

Friday 10 November
10:00 – 11:30: First free practice
14:00 – 15:30: Second free practice
16:00 – 17:00: FIA press conference

Saturday 11 November
11:00 – 12:00: Third free practice
14:00 – 15:00: Qualifying
15:00: FIA post-qualifying press conference

Sunday 12 November
14:00 – 16:00: Brazilian Grand Prix
16:00: FIA post-race press conference

[swogerino]

Last year in this race if you check official f1 in Instagram will see how Max Verstappen did a wonderful move to keep the car on track on a heavy rain after the car started to spin at full speed. I wish we can see another race like the one of 2016 with heavy rain on track to give us some adrenaline as the championship is already over with Lewis Hamilton winning his 4th title.

[siti25]

Standings Drivers after 18 of 20 races:

1.Hamilton        333     gap

2.Vettel              277     -56
3.Bottas             262     -71

4.Ricciardo         192   -141
5.Raikkonen       178   -155

6.Verstappen      148    -185
7.Perez                 92    -241
8.Ocon                  83    -250
9.Sainz                  54    -279
10.Stroll                40    -293


With Lewis Hamilton already world champion mathematically, only the positions of consolation remain:
Vettel and Bottas are struggling for second place.
Ricciardo and Raikkonen are struggling for fourth place.
Great season for Esteban Ocon perhaps the best rider among outsiders this year.
I think he will be able to go to a top team in the future

Well, For the next race, Formula 1 is no longer interesting to me. When the champion was found then the magnet to pull me to watch was gone. But whatever it is, the seizure of the two positions must be done with Serious by Vettel and Bottas. The second champion is more prestigious and as a racer they should want to be in the forefront.

[ArdiPrabowo]

Standings Drivers after 18 of 20 races:

1.Hamilton        333     gap

2.Vettel              277     -56
3.Bottas             262     -71

4.Ricciardo         192   -141
5.Raikkonen       178   -155

6.Verstappen      148    -185
7.Perez                 92    -241
8.Ocon                  83    -250
9.Sainz                  54    -279
10.Stroll                40    -293


With Lewis Hamilton already world champion mathematically, only the positions of consolation remain:
Vettel and Bottas are struggling for second place.
Ricciardo and Raikkonen are struggling for fourth place.
Great season for Esteban Ocon perhaps the best rider among outsiders this year.
I think he will be able to go to a top team in the future

hamilton and sebastian vettel can potential same or above schumacher record
can get 7 world championship in F1
i hope next season redbull and ferari can incraese performance and then can compete with mercedes
and mclaren i hope follow can develop good car and follow compete with mercedes redbull and ferari

[bbc.reporter]

@siti25. I reckon we should move on and start considering the possibilities for 2018. McClaren for instance will start using Renault engines next year. They also gave an assertion that they have the best chassis on the grid but their car was affected very badly by the underpowered Honda engines.

Will Renault then be the answer to their misery? Will Fernando Alonso stay for another year? Predict and speculate.

[cicciobtc]

this week in Valencia will be the last Gp of the season in Motogp.
Marquez is the big favorite with his 21 point advantage over Dovizioso.

Marquez will be Champion if:

-Marquez arrives 11th or better
-Dovizioso arrives second or worse


Dovizioso will be Champion if:

-Dovizioso wins the race and at the same time Marquez arrives 12th or worse

[cicciobtc]

Fp1 Motogp  Valencia:
 
1 IANNONE     1:31.045
2  MILLER          +0.312
3 P. ESPARGARO +0.393
4 DOVIZIOSO     +0.431
5 MARQUEZ       +0.466
6 VIÑALES         +0.705
7 ZARCO            +0.763
8 CRUTCHLOW   +0.782
9 KALLIO           +0.834
10 PEDROSA     +0.905

Surprise, best time for Iannone (suzuki), but Marquez has the best rhythm race.
If Marquez does not fall into the race, he will surely win the World Championship.

Marquez winning the World Championship is quoted at@1.04 while Dovizioso is quoted at@10.00!

[cryptojac17]

Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton, who won F1 champion tittle 4th in his career.
In general, everything today was decided in 1st lap, when there was accident between Seb and Lewis. Both had to make pit stops due to damage after that and Vettel wasn't able to regain lost positions. Hamilton performance wasn't amazing today, but it was enough for him to win a championship.
And after great start, Max Verstappen didn't had any problems and won race easily. I can't remember when race winner got so little attention after race Because champion Lewis was in light of cameras.

Yes, Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton he is a great champion.
the last part of the season, Vettel and Ferrari was disastrous otherwise we could have seen the fight until the last race.
Next year the rules will remain the same and I am convinced that we will see a fight between 3 teams: Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull, which has proved to be at the same level as the first 2.

I think Ferrari will be on top in 2018 with the team up of Vettel and Raikonnen because of the their good team work environment hopefully Ferrari engineering team will give extra effort to make their racing machine more agile, because of their driver Vettel is still the best.If Red Bull powered with Renault able to make Vettel on the height of his career then why Ferrari cannot?

[bbc.reporter]

@cryptojac17. No, the Mercedes always had and will still have the engine advantage. Their dominance started when the sport decided to use the much criticized V6 turbo, and I reckon it will not change until 2021 once the new engine rules are out.

[cryptojac17]

@cryptojac17. No, the Mercedes always had and will still have the engine advantage. Their dominance started when the sport decided to use the much criticized V6 turbo, and I reckon it will not change until 2021 once the new engine rules are out.

Yeah agree on you that when they started using v6 turbo with the team up with petronas they were able to made it on the top  they were able to find the exact engineering design. But the compition still on for sure Ferrari engineering team will come out with exact design to  compete Mercedez superb engine.

[Dux2K]

Full Qualifying results and grid line-up for the 2017 Valencia MotoGP, round 18 of 18.

KTM's Pol Espargaro will start the race from pit lane after exceeding nine engine changes for the season.

1. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 29.897s [Lap 3/6] 315km/h (Max)
2. Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 30.246s +0.349s [7/8] 313km/h
3. Andrea Iannone ITA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 30.399s +0.502s [7/9] 316km/h
4. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (GP17) 1m 30.460s +0.563s [2/5] 319km/h
5. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 30.589s +0.692s [6/9] 318km/h
6. Michele Pirro ITA Ducati Team (GP17) 1m 30.764s +0.867s [6/7] 319km/h
7. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 30.848s +0.951s [8/9] 313km/h
8. Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 30.857s +0.960s [4/8] 314km/h
9. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (GP17) 1m 30.961s +1.064s [7/9] 321km/h
10. Alex Rins ESP Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)* 1m 30.972s +1.075s [2/9] 319km/h
11. Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 31.044s +1.147s [3/7] 317km/h
12. Jack Miller AUS EG 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 31.190s +1.293s [4/7] 321km/h
13. Maverick Viñales ESP Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 31.030s 316km/h
14. Tito Rabat ESP EG 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 31.197s 315km/h
15. Danilo Petrucci ITA Octo Pramac (GP17) 1m 31.216s 318km/h
16. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 31.297s 316km/h
17. Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 31.300s 317km/h
18. Karel Abraham CZE Pull&Bear Aspar (GP15) 1m 31.325s 320km/h
19. Mika Kallio FIN Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 31.361s 315km/h
20. Hector Barbera ESP Reale Avintia (GP16) 1m 31.487s 324km/h
21. Alvaro Bautista ESP Pull&Bear Aspar (GP16) 1m 31.578s 319km/h
22. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac (GP16) 1m 31.625s 318km/h
23. Loris Baz FRA Reale Avintia (GP15) 1m 31.775s 315km/h
24. Sam Lowes GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)* 1m 31.816s 313km/h
25. Michael Van Der Mark NED Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 32.504s 311km/h

[azguard]

Full qualifying results for the Formula 1 Brazilian Grand Prix


1.Valtteri Bottas FIN Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport 1m 08.322s
2.Sebastian Vettel GER Scuderia Ferrari 1m 08.360s
3.Kimi Raikkonen FIN Scuderia Ferrari 1m 08.538s
4.Max Verstappen NED Red Bull Racing-TAG Heuer 1m 08.925s
5.Daniel Ricciardo AUS Red Bull Racing-TAG Heuer 1m 09.330s
6.Sergio Perez MEX Sahara Force India-Mercedes 1m 09.598s
7.Fernando Alonso ESP McLaren-Honda 1m 09.617s
8.Nico Hulkenberg GER Renault Sport F1 1m 09.703s
9.Carlos Sainz Jr ESP Renault Sport F1 1m 09.805s
10.Felipe Massa BRA Williams Martini Racing-Mercedes 1m 09.841s
11.Esteban Ocon FRA Sahara Force India-Mercedes 1m 09.830s
12.Romain Grosjean FRA Haas-Ferrari 1m 09.879s
13.Stoffel Vandoorne BEL McLaren-Honda 1m 10.116s
14.Kevin Magnussen DEN Haas-Ferrari 1m 10.154s
15.Brendon Hartley NZL Scuderia Toro Rosso-Renault No time set
16.Pascal Wehrlein GER Sauber-Ferrari 1m 10.678s
17.Pierre Gasly FRA Scuderia Toro Rosso-Renault 1m 10.686s
18.Lance Stroll CAN Williams Martini Racing-Mercedes 1m 10.776s
19.Marcus Ericsson SWE Sauber-Ferrari 1m 10.875s
20.Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport Not time set (CRASHED IN OPENING LAP)

[bbc.reporter]

@cryptojac17. No, the Mercedes always had and will still have the engine advantage. Their dominance started when the sport decided to use the much criticized V6 turbo, and I reckon it will not change until 2021 once the new engine rules are out.

Yeah agree on you that when they started using v6 turbo with the team up with petronas they were able to made it on the top  they were able to find the exact engineering design. But the compition still on for sure Ferrari engineering team will come out with exact design to  compete Mercedez superb engine.

Again I disagree with you. The engine change to the V6 turbocharger engines was implemented 4 years ago, I reckon. But until today, Ferrari and Renault have not created an engine that is as powerful as the Mercedes engine.

Mercedes is ahead of them in engine development and research. Ferrari can copy their design, but Mercedes will create a better engine for 2018.

[cryptojac17]

@cryptojac17. No, the Mercedes always had and will still have the engine advantage. Their dominance started when the sport decided to use the much criticized V6 turbo, and I reckon it will not change until 2021 once the new engine rules are out.

Yeah agree on you that when they started using v6 turbo with the team up with petronas they were able to made it on the top  they were able to find the exact engineering design. But the compition still on for sure Ferrari engineering team will come out with exact design to  compete Mercedez superb engine.

Again I disagree with you. The engine change to the V6 turbocharger engines was implemented 4 years ago, I reckon. But until today, Ferrari and Renault have not created an engine that is as powerful as the Mercedes engine.

Mercedes is ahead of them in engine development and research. Ferrari can copy their design, but Mercedes will create a better engine for 2018.

Okey taking for granted Mercedes is capitalizing on engine power but there also lot factor involved like transmission, the aero dynamic design, and the team working in the pit stop and specially the driver discipline is very crucial in the race and also the decision making of the engineering team.

[bbc.reporter]

@cryptojac17. Mercedes might also be ahead of them in chassis development. Look how dominant they are in the last 4 years. I reckon even if they are behind in aerodynamics and other engineering aspects, their engine advantage will still put them on top.

McClaren is a good example of a car with a good chassis but the engine's power is so low it cannot finish in the top 10 consistently.  

[Bitinity]

Congratulations to Marc Marquez who have just won his 4th MotoGP Championship Title, last race was so thrilling when Marquez was almost getting down but he took so risky action so he did not fall down. It could be a drama if he fell on that race, unlucky for Dovi he could not even finish the race. What an anti-climax season for Dovi. Next season might be more interesting imho, I would like to see more competitive riders like Vinales, Rossi, Pedrosa, Lorenzo.

[cryptojac17]

@cryptojac17. Mercedes might also be ahead of them in chassis development. Look how dominant they are in the last 4 years. I reckon even if they are behind in aerodynamics and other engineering aspects, their engine advantage will still put them on top.

McClaren is a good example of a car with a good chassis but the engine's power is so low it cannot finish in the top 10 consistently.  

Mercedes's dominance in engine design is hardly earned due to their long time experience in F1. But their advantage in engine superiority is just temporary, because its just a slight difference. They were not able to find the exact formula. But later on in the competition they can find a design that dominates the entire race track.