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December 16, 2012, 12:59:54 PM
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Some are complaining about paid signature, like mine.. I complain about paid anti-BFL troll that spam bitcoin-talk forum with lies and fud.. hmm.. maybe they are not paid, if so, they must be mad or someting like mentaly ill ?!?!?

BTW, those anti-bfl trolls that seems to fight so much to protect peoples from "being scam by bfl" made the ignore button very usefull in my case.. Now I'm able to go trought this king of thread in few minutes..

Quite a relief Smiley


how much did bfl pay you for your signature space??? lol Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

full diclosure: no one is paying me to call out BFL bullshit.
No one would be so stupid to pay  you for the bullshit that comes out of you, dream on.

This is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen ...

Um, it's an online promotion. They're all over the interwebs in various forms.

Edit: You have inspired me to participate. U mad?

Looks like that competition finished in November. U mad? Wink
There's one every week,  now u mad?

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December 16, 2012, 01:33:49 PM
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This is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen ...

Um, it's an online promotion. They're all over the interwebs in various forms.

Edit: You have inspired me to participate. U mad?

Looks like that competition finished in November. U mad? Wink
There's one every week,  now u mad?

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December 16, 2012, 01:48:47 PM
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Actually, they haven't been paid yet as far as I know.

They have been promised that when BFL's products are ready, then they will receive one for free.

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People who are in the contest or have been promised an item because they "won"...for doing pretty much nothing but becoming a walking billboard....have a reason to defend BFL.

If BFL fails to deliver (for any number of reasons) they neither get their purchase orders nor their free item that they won.
If BFL does delivery, they just sold a bit of their pride for hardware.

The interesting thing is not that they want "free stuff" and are willing to edit their collective signature....I mean who wouldn't right?
The really interesting part is what it does to their psychology and how they handle whatever may happen that threatens that return.

For example, if customers complain and bitch and moan (legitimately) because they haven't yet received their item, then they have to protect their own interests and drown out the complaints. (Trollish)

Another example, if there are droves of people heading out of BFL and asking for refunds, the walking bill board folk, will fall into two possible categories. They are either the type to ask people to GTFO even faster by throwing them out the window. Or, they are the type to call for people to "hold on" a "bit longer" that everything will be alright. (probably true if BFL does someday deliver)

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To put it simply, the walking bill boards have an invested interest. More so than just a paying customer.

If BFL gets too many refunds and for whatever reason they cannot continue their operations of building the ASIC, then they are SOL. (Sh*t Outta Luck)

Excuse my parlance.

When you argue with those whom seem to be overly accepting of the delays and call out for others to hold on, keep in mind they are looking out for themselves. If their vendor goes, so do they.

EXCEPTIONS: There are only a few exceptions that wear the banner and are still critical of BFL.


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December 16, 2012, 01:53:54 PM
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If you really want to corner someone who is doing trollish defense out of self interests.

1) Simply ask them what is so great about BFL. (in very concise terms...no vague remarks)

2) Then, ask them how they view the faults of BFL. (again, in very concise terms)

3) Once they have excused their chosen vendor for their errors, however grave it may be...

4) Use or "Adapt" the exact same reasons and words they used or employed to defend your own vendor.

(Note: If they try to invalidate their own arguments, then you use their invalidation attempts against their own points. Zero Sum Game.)

5) The trollish crowd will keep quiet having been backed into a self created corner.

6) Repeat.


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December 16, 2012, 01:59:31 PM
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P.S Whenever you see Inaba/Josh attempt to bash other vendors for minor slips, keep in mind his own vendor has oil spills the size of Kansas.

That lame attempt to portray other vendors in a negative light just needed a few tweaks to make it a mirror for BFL's own lack luster performance.

You can't throw a rock in a glass house I think the saying goes.


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December 16, 2012, 02:19:42 PM
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P.S Whenever you see Inaba/Josh attempt to bash other vendors for minor slips, keep in mind his own vendor has oil spills the size of Kansas.

That lame attempt to portray other vendors in a negative light just needed a few tweaks to make it a mirror for BFL's own lack luster performance.

You can't shouldn't throw a rock in a glass house I think the saying goes.

Fixed.

Good posts.

Hypothetical:

If you are already covered in sh1t and your competition isn't, then you potentially benefit by starting a manure fight.

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December 16, 2012, 02:42:10 PM
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P.S Whenever you see Inaba/Josh attempt to bash other vendors for minor slips, keep in mind his own vendor has oil spills the size of Kansas.

That lame attempt to portray other vendors in a negative light just needed a few tweaks to make it a mirror for BFL's own lack luster performance.

You can't shouldn't throw a rock in a glass house I think the saying goes.

Fixed.

Good posts.

Hypothetical:

If you are already covered in sh1t and your competition isn't, then you potentially benefit by starting a manure fight.

Not only that, but the ammo needs protecting because the enemy may revert to steeling so that they'll have volleys of their own.



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December 16, 2012, 03:18:42 PM
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Actually, they haven't been paid yet as far as I know.

They have been promised that when BFL's products are ready, then they will receive one for free.

The contest is for an FPGA single.  There was some question a while back whether the winners had received their hardware, to which Josh stated "they have all been shipped".  I imaging there would have been more said about it if ppl had not actually received it.

I don't really like the contest either.  Unfortunately if called out, BFL can truthfully say "but our competition does it too!"

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December 16, 2012, 04:58:35 PM
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Actually, they haven't been paid yet as far as I know.

They have been promised that when BFL's products are ready, then they will receive one for free.

The contest is for an FPGA single.  There was some question a while back whether the winners had received their hardware, to which Josh stated "they have all been shipped".  I imaging there would have been more said about it if ppl had not actually received it.

I don't really like the contest either.  Unfortunately if called out, BFL can truthfully say "but our competition does it too!"

But somebody set the standard. At one time in Tunica, everybody had to pay for mixed drinks while sitting at the bar, until Sam's Town was the first to change policy, whereupon all the other casinos had to follow suit or face lower attendance.

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December 16, 2012, 08:03:14 PM
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1) Simply ask them what is so great about BFL. (in very concise terms...no vague remarks)

2) Then, ask them how they view the faults of BFL. (again, in very concise terms)

3) Once they have excused their chosen vendor for their errors, however grave it may be...

4) Use or "Adapt" the exact same reasons and words they used or employed to defend your own vendor.

1) Community as a whole benefits from ASIC vendor competition. BFL's chips should be more efficient (due to 65nm).

2) I don't care, as long as they eventually deliver. The 65nm process is riskier but should keep their product competitive for longer, even if Avalon delivers sooner.

3/4) Obviously I also want to see Avalon and the others succeed. Competition is beneficial.
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December 16, 2012, 08:28:12 PM
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1) Simply ask them what is so great about BFL. (in very concise terms...no vague remarks)

2) Then, ask them how they view the faults of BFL. (again, in very concise terms)

3) Once they have excused their chosen vendor for their errors, however grave it may be...

4) Use or "Adapt" the exact same reasons and words they used or employed to defend your own vendor.

1) Community as a whole benefits from ASIC vendor competition. BFL's chips should be more efficient (due to 65nm).

2) I don't care, as long as they eventually deliver. The 65nm process is riskier but should keep their product competitive for longer, even if Avalon delivers sooner.

3/4) Obviously I also want to see Avalon and the others succeed. Competition is beneficial.
Agreed.

As long as none of the vendors over extends themselves [through competition] and subsequently bankrupts their company. I assume every currently available vendor is smart enough to avoid this. (Though, sometimes I have my doubts)


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December 16, 2012, 08:32:31 PM
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I don't really like the contest either.  Unfortunately if called out, BFL can truthfully say "but our competition does it too!"

Doesn't matter if anyone else is doing it. BFL is running an illegal lottery. No surprise, really, having been founded by a felon convicted of running an illegal scheme. By requiring consideration, in the form of advertising by the participants, and not having a "no purchase necessary" way to enter the contest, they are in clear violation of the law.

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What law exactly? Your law? US law? EU law? I realy need a link for that law....
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December 16, 2012, 09:07:31 PM
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I don't really like the contest either.  Unfortunately if called out, BFL can truthfully say "but our competition does it too!"

Doesn't matter if anyone else is doing it. BFL is running an illegal lottery. No surprise, really, having been founded by a felon convicted of running an illegal scheme. By requiring consideration, in the form of advertising by the participants, and not having a "no purchase necessary" way to enter the contest, they are in clear violation of the law.

Nah, you're mixing up contests, sweepstakes and lotteries. Those are three different things differently regulated. The "no purchase necessary" applies to sweepstakes. Participation in a lottery requires monetary payment. What BFL is doing is a contest, where a reward is awarded among those participants (their status as customer or non-customer is irrelevant) that successfully "won" a puzzle or game. The puzzle or game in this case being "whore out your BTCTalk signature and keep posting on BTCTalk". It's unethical, but not illegal.
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December 16, 2012, 09:11:04 PM
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Some are complaining about paid signature, like mine.. I complain about paid anti-BFL troll that spam bitcoin-talk forum with lies and fud.. hmm.. maybe they are not paid, if so, they must be mad or someting like mentaly ill ?!?!?

BTW, those anti-bfl trolls that seems to fight so much to protect peoples from "being scam by bfl" made the ignore button very usefull in my case.. Now I'm able to go trought this king of thread in few minutes..

Quite a relief Smiley


how much did bfl pay you for your signature space??? lol Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

full diclosure: no one is paying me to call out BFL bullshit.
No one would be so stupid to pay  you for the bullshit that comes out of you, dream on.

This is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen ...

Um, it's an online promotion. They're all over the interwebs in various forms.

Edit: You have inspired me to participate. U mad?

Looks like that competition finished in November. U mad? Wink
There's one every week,  now u mad?

For you BULLSHIT = TELLING THE TRUTH AND CALLING IT WHAT IT IS.......SHIT  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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December 16, 2012, 09:14:04 PM
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I don't really like the contest either.  Unfortunately if called out, BFL can truthfully say "but our competition does it too!"

Doesn't matter if anyone else is doing it. BFL is running an illegal lottery. No surprise, really, having been founded by a felon convicted of running an illegal scheme. By requiring consideration, in the form of advertising by the participants, and not having a "no purchase necessary" way to enter the contest, they are in clear violation of the law.
Wait, so you have to be a customer in order to be eligible?

Hmm...


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December 16, 2012, 09:23:25 PM
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I don't really like the contest either.  Unfortunately if called out, BFL can truthfully say "but our competition does it too!"

Doesn't matter if anyone else is doing it. BFL is running an illegal lottery. No surprise, really, having been founded by a felon convicted of running an illegal scheme. By requiring consideration, in the form of advertising by the participants, and not having a "no purchase necessary" way to enter the contest, they are in clear violation of the law.
Wait, so you have to be a customer in order to be eligible?

Hmm...
No.

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December 16, 2012, 09:33:07 PM
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I don't really like the contest either.  Unfortunately if called out, BFL can truthfully say "but our competition does it too!"

Doesn't matter if anyone else is doing it. BFL is running an illegal lottery. No surprise, really, having been founded by a felon convicted of running an illegal scheme. By requiring consideration, in the form of advertising by the participants, and not having a "no purchase necessary" way to enter the contest, they are in clear violation of the law.

Nah, you're mixing up contests, sweepstakes and lotteries. Those are three different things differently regulated. The "no purchase necessary" applies to sweepstakes. Participation in a lottery requires monetary payment. What BFL is doing is a contest, where a reward is awarded among those participants (their status as customer or non-customer is irrelevant) that successfully "won" a puzzle or game. The puzzle or game in this case being "whore out your BTCTalk signature and keep posting on BTCTalk". It's unethical, but not illegal.

If it was illegal, the same would apply to every "Like us on Facebook for a chance to win a prize" contest.
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December 16, 2012, 09:41:20 PM
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I don't really like the contest either.  Unfortunately if called out, BFL can truthfully say "but our competition does it too!"

Doesn't matter if anyone else is doing it. BFL is running an illegal lottery. No surprise, really, having been founded by a felon convicted of running an illegal scheme. By requiring consideration, in the form of advertising by the participants, and not having a "no purchase necessary" way to enter the contest, they are in clear violation of the law.

Nah, you're mixing up contests, sweepstakes and lotteries. Those are three different things differently regulated. The "no purchase necessary" applies to sweepstakes. Participation in a lottery requires monetary payment. What BFL is doing is a contest, where a reward is awarded among those participants (their status as customer or non-customer is irrelevant) that successfully "won" a puzzle or game. The puzzle or game in this case being "whore out your BTCTalk signature and keep posting on BTCTalk". It's unethical, but not illegal.

If it was illegal, the same would apply to every "Like us on Facebook for a chance to win a prize" contest.

Yup.

EDIT: Wait, no, that's a sweepstakes. A contest would be "Upload your favorite baby seal photo and like us on facebook for a chance to win a prize".
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December 16, 2012, 09:53:24 PM
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Seems the important point is the Put Blah Blah Blah in your signature space. This isn't a purchase so Yeah if you want a shot put it in your signature it costs nothing. Maybe pride or ego but nothing monitarily. I am pretty sure there is no accepted exchange rate for pride or ego to $.


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