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March 11, 2017, 09:38:51 PM
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Sorry to participate in this discussion which brings money issues to light, but I do think it is neccessary.

There is nothing wrong with this discussion.  I personally think the community needs to come up with a plan to attract more developers.  Just because EK is not interested in being rewarded for his work, I think things will stall out if you don't bring in additional devs who can contribute.
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March 11, 2017, 09:50:23 PM
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Sorry to participate in this discussion which brings money issues to light, but I do think it is neccessary.

There is nothing wrong with this discussion.  I personally think the community needs to come up with a plan to attract more developers.  Just because EK is not interested in being rewarded for his work, I think things will stall out if you don't bring in additional devs who can contribute.

Coralreefer is right.  We need to set up a foundation, ask for donations and start trying to attract some devs to this project or it's going to fizzle out.  Coralreefer is leaving, EK has said that he's going to leave as soon as he uploads something releasable, so if we don't have a foundation in place and funds to attract developers when that happens, we're screwed.

Currently we have no PR, no updated website, nothing except some code.

If EK turned round tomorrow and said "here's the code and I'm off", where would the project be?

We need to have a plan of action.
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March 11, 2017, 10:20:34 PM
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Alright I just purchased a new HP laptop yay.
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March 12, 2017, 04:06:47 AM
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Alright I just purchased a new HP laptop yay.
So we can start the Mainnet now ?  Shocked

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March 12, 2017, 05:11:05 AM
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What if there'll be no official launch and EK will continue adding and testing new features indefinitely? Then probably someone will have to step up and take responsibility to make a "production" version and maintain it over time with new additions from EK.
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March 12, 2017, 12:26:50 PM
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What if EK finishes the SN by tomorrow and get listed in Poloniex by Tuesday and at 1 XEL = 5 BTC.
What if..........
So easy to cause both despair and hype with any What If sentence. Grin

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March 12, 2017, 01:49:48 PM
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What if EK finishes the SN by tomorrow and get listed in Poloniex by Tuesday and at 1 XEL = 5 BTC.
What if..........
So easy to cause both despair and hype with any What If sentence. Grin

Well said.

We do need to start putting an action plan together though.

We need to find out if anyone knows how to set up a foundation.
We need an updated website that explains what Elastic can do.
We need an official email address to send out Press Releases from in order to try and attract new developers to the project.
We need to try and find out if Lannister is still around and is willing to put some BTC into a foundation to fund further development or start asking for donations to fund development.
If EK is unable to finish the SN coding on his own, will Lannister be willing to put up bounties to attract devs to help EK?  It seems very unfair to expect EK to struggle on alone.

Those are just some thoughts off the top of my head.

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March 12, 2017, 03:09:14 PM
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Unvoid, are you still working on the website ? Could you give us an update ?
Coralreefer, could you give us an update where we are standing ?
Our Satoshi ( EK) , anything rest of us could do to help you and your team besides waiting ?

Slack is extremely quiet, sometimes for days no one even says anything.
This thread is also slowing down, lots of speculations, people are now discussing family issues and how someone's ex smashed the laptop on the other person's head .

Could you guys tell us how we can help with this awesome project !

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March 12, 2017, 03:16:45 PM
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EK stated a dozen times that he wants no funding and was quite annoyed by that discussion the last time we had it. I don't think it's very productive to bring it up every few weeks.

If this is EK's stance then I suppose the matter is settled. Personally, I hope he'll post a donations address at some point, as he deserves some sort of compensation. The guy is a trooper and a saint.
because you want to donate to people
feel free to donate to my BTC address 1EmjwR7EdxKQ9Ytk2Z6yjErh1UT4iznAUQ

now getting more serious:

I already proposted a 10% fund out of genesis a long time ago. We could control it through voting like dash doing it. Main idea is financing further developing and marketing. Current dev dont want to get paid



I like this idea, 10% out of genesis block could go a long way to promoting Elastic in the future. Also give all XEL holders voting rights would be great idea as well.

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March 12, 2017, 03:27:10 PM
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What if EK finishes the SN by tomorrow and get listed in Poloniex by Tuesday and at 1 XEL = 5 BTC.
What if..........
So easy to cause both despair and hype with any What If sentence. Grin

Well said.

We do need to start putting an action plan together though.

We need to find out if anyone knows how to set up a foundation.
We need an updated website that explains what Elastic can do.
We need an official email address to send out Press Releases from in order to try and attract new developers to the project.
We need to try and find out if Lannister is still around and is willing to put some BTC into a foundation to fund further development or start asking for donations to fund development.
If EK is unable to finish the SN coding on his own, will Lannister be willing to put up bounties to attract devs to help EK?  It seems very unfair to expect EK to struggle on alone.

Those are just some thoughts off the top of my head.



The discussion about Lannister is annoying. All Btc were donated. Lannister can do what ever he wants
So please don´t come up with this every 10 pages.


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March 12, 2017, 03:33:42 PM
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What if EK finishes the SN by tomorrow and get listed in Poloniex by Tuesday and at 1 XEL = 5 BTC.
What if..........
So easy to cause both despair and hype with any What If sentence. Grin

Well said.

We do need to start putting an action plan together though.

We need to find out if anyone knows how to set up a foundation.
We need an updated website that explains what Elastic can do.
We need an official email address to send out Press Releases from in order to try and attract new developers to the project.
We need to try and find out if Lannister is still around and is willing to put some BTC into a foundation to fund further development or start asking for donations to fund development.
If EK is unable to finish the SN coding on his own, will Lannister be willing to put up bounties to attract devs to help EK?  It seems very unfair to expect EK to struggle on alone.

Those are just some thoughts off the top of my head.



The discussion about Lannister is annoying. All Btc were donated. Lannister can do what ever he wants
So please don´t come up with this every 10 pages.


I can't believe I hear someone is annoyed. We are asking the community to get together and help each other rather than picking on what makes you annoyed or not !

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March 12, 2017, 03:42:00 PM
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What if EK finishes the SN by tomorrow and get listed in Poloniex by Tuesday and at 1 XEL = 5 BTC.
What if..........
So easy to cause both despair and hype with any What If sentence. Grin

Well said.

We do need to start putting an action plan together though.

We need to find out if anyone knows how to set up a foundation.
We need an updated website that explains what Elastic can do.
We need an official email address to send out Press Releases from in order to try and attract new developers to the project.
We need to try and find out if Lannister is still around and is willing to put some BTC into a foundation to fund further development or start asking for donations to fund development.
If EK is unable to finish the SN coding on his own, will Lannister be willing to put up bounties to attract devs to help EK?  It seems very unfair to expect EK to struggle on alone.

Those are just some thoughts off the top of my head.



The discussion about Lannister is annoying. All Btc were donated. Lannister can do what ever he wants
So please don´t come up with this every 10 pages.


I can't believe I hear someone is annoyed. We are asking the community to get together and help each other rather than picking on what makes you annoyed or not !

I appreciate the afford but the whole Lannister thing is just something we don´t need to discuss anymore.
The one thing we actual need right now is someone stepping up with enough technical understanding to coordinate the next steps

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March 12, 2017, 03:47:30 PM
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Why do you folks always think we have not enough funds available for further development? We have more than enough. I am willing to put 30BTC into this easily and if we are listed on some exchange and XEL's be actually worth something i expect lots of others to so the same.

The point at moment is not that we are lacking funds or something, the point is that we have to have a finished product first, or at least a preliminary version. Then (if we have a mainnet running) we can talk about PR, eventual further developer funding etc.

The more important question at the moment is: Does EK expect us to start the mainnet on our own? I was under the impression that the SN-development is not finished yet.
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March 12, 2017, 03:48:18 PM
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What if EK finishes the SN by tomorrow and get listed in Poloniex by Tuesday and at 1 XEL = 5 BTC.
What if..........
So easy to cause both despair and hype with any What If sentence. Grin

Well said.

We do need to start putting an action plan together though.

We need to find out if anyone knows how to set up a foundation.
We need an updated website that explains what Elastic can do.
We need an official email address to send out Press Releases from in order to try and attract new developers to the project.
We need to try and find out if Lannister is still around and is willing to put some BTC into a foundation to fund further development or start asking for donations to fund development.
If EK is unable to finish the SN coding on his own, will Lannister be willing to put up bounties to attract devs to help EK?  It seems very unfair to expect EK to struggle on alone.

Those are just some thoughts off the top of my head.



The discussion about Lannister is annoying. All Btc were donated. Lannister can do what ever he wants
So please don´t come up with this every 10 pages.



There is no discussion about Lannister.  In November he appeared and paid a small bounty to coralreefer, so I fail to see why asking and seeing if he'll respond is annoying.  I call it practical.  

I also made a further suggestion if he didn't respond.
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March 12, 2017, 03:58:41 PM
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What if EK finishes the SN by tomorrow and get listed in Poloniex by Tuesday and at 1 XEL = 5 BTC.
What if..........
So easy to cause both despair and hype with any What If sentence. Grin

Well said.

We do need to start putting an action plan together though.

We need to find out if anyone knows how to set up a foundation.
We need an updated website that explains what Elastic can do.
We need an official email address to send out Press Releases from in order to try and attract new developers to the project.
We need to try and find out if Lannister is still around and is willing to put some BTC into a foundation to fund further development or start asking for donations to fund development.
If EK is unable to finish the SN coding on his own, will Lannister be willing to put up bounties to attract devs to help EK?  It seems very unfair to expect EK to struggle on alone.

Those are just some thoughts off the top of my head.

Why do you folks always think we have not enough funds available for further development? We have more than enough. I am willing to put 30BTC into this easily and if we are listed on some exchange and XEL's be actually worth something i expect lots of others to so the same.

The point at moment is not that we are lacking funds or something, the point is that we have to have a finished product first, or at least a preliminary version. Then (if we have a mainnet running) we can talk about PR, eventual further developer funding etc.

The more important question at the moment is: Does EK expect us to start the mainnet on our own? I was under the impression that the SN-development is not finished yet.

I may be wrong, but I don't think there's been a new version released for testing since November, which suggests to me that EK might be struggling and need some help.

I also don't see what is wrong with running a PR campaign to try and attract more developers, to ease the burden on EK.

Why can't several things be happening alongside development?  

Like setting up a foundation for example.

Updating the website so the world can know that this isn't a dead project seems like a good thing to try and achieve now, rather than waiting until completion.

Sending out press Releases from an official email account.

I don't see that there's any harm in trying to ease the burden on EK, rather than just sitting around.
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March 12, 2017, 07:39:58 PM
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I may be wrong, but I don't think there's been a new version released for testing since November, which suggests to me that EK might be struggling and need some help.

I also don't see what is wrong with running a PR campaign to try and attract more developers, to ease the burden on EK.

Why can't several things be happening alongside development?  

Like setting up a foundation for example.

Updating the website so the world can know that this isn't a dead project seems like a good thing to try and achieve now, rather than waiting until completion.

Sending out press Releases from an official email account.

I don't see that there's any harm in trying to ease the burden on EK, rather than just sitting around.

Yes, updating the website, wiki etc makes perfect sense. PR, not so sure. With PR you basically mobilize potential users and buyers, but if no mainnet is available its a negative effect.

An official email account makes sense too, yes.

In regard to EK and if he needs some help, so far i was under the impression that he is in lock-down-mode and is completely focused on bringing the SNs to life and is not interested in any distraction at the moment. But i could be wrong.
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March 12, 2017, 08:54:44 PM
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I may be wrong, but I don't think there's been a new version released for testing since November, which suggests to me that EK might be struggling and need some help.

I also don't see what is wrong with running a PR campaign to try and attract more developers, to ease the burden on EK.

Why can't several things be happening alongside development?  

Like setting up a foundation for example.

Updating the website so the world can know that this isn't a dead project seems like a good thing to try and achieve now, rather than waiting until completion.

Sending out press Releases from an official email account.

I don't see that there's any harm in trying to ease the burden on EK, rather than just sitting around.

Yes, updating the website, wiki etc makes perfect sense. PR, not so sure. With PR you basically mobilize potential users and buyers, but if no mainnet is available its a negative effect.

An official email account makes sense too, yes.

In regard to EK and if he needs some help, so far i was under the impression that he is in lock-down-mode and is completely focused on bringing the SNs to life and is not interested in any distraction at the moment. But i could be wrong.

There have been several attempts to create a new website.  EK even did a mock-up, but they all fizzled out.  The current one, www.elastic-project.com has on it's opening page, 'Elastic is a Decentralised Supercomputer', but no description about what Elastic actually does, just that a mainnet hasn't been released yet.  There must be someone here (other than EK) that actually knows what Elastic does, so we can describe what it is we've got and complete that front page.

Also, is there somebody besides EK (so we don't have to interrupt him) that has access to the site so we can update it?  Hopefully as part of that site, we can run an email account to act as an official account, so people can contact us.

PR we can hold off until we have a mainnet.

Does EK need any help?  None of us know for sure if he does or he doesn't.  But if he thought that he had to finance further help himself, like he had to with the contest, that may be a blocking issue for him and perhaps we need to reassure him that the community does not expect him to dig into his own pocket if he does need help and that we're there to support him.


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March 12, 2017, 09:00:36 PM
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While I agree that Elastic needs PR at some point, I think it should not start before a working product exists, i.e. when mainnet is launched and is running smoothly, we can do the whole PR thing.
By then, all those who wanted to get out with as big of a ROI as possible will be gone and those who are genuinely interested in the project will continue to contribute. Sound like a good deal to me.
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While I agree that Elastic needs PR at some point, I think it should not start before a working product exists, i.e. when mainnet is launched and is running smoothly, we can do the whole PR thing.
By then, all those who wanted to get out with as big of a ROI as possible will be gone and those who are genuinely interested in the project will continue to contribute. Sound like a good deal to me.

Golem doesn't have a working product, but they led with PR.

I think not doing anything until we have a working product will be disasterous.

EK has said that when he's ready to release, he'll release a product that we can release to mainnet and leave.  Coralreefer has said that as soon as he finishes the SN bits for the miner he'll be leaving.

To do absolutely no PR of any form (no website, no twitter, no official email, no Press Releases) before mainnet release will leave us with a product, but no devs and no way of attracting more devs.

At the very least we need to set up a foundation, website, official email account and a twitter feed.

We need to be attracting new devs now, not later.

edit: I notice MatchPool has a pretty good PR machine behind it.
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Any volunteer for keeping the PR donations?

IMO, we have to work with proffesionals.

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