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April 10, 2016, 02:11:18 AM Last edit: April 10, 2016, 11:52:40 AM by UR |
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Pretty much what everybody else has said, please add a faucet because the min bet is a little too large to try it out.
How do you plan to pay commissions on withdrawal if minimal bet will be decreased? Subtract it from your amount? Site pay 0.0001 BTC (4 cents) from every transaction. Do you really think someone should do the same when you will deposit 0.000001(0.04 cents), double it, and then require withdrawal? Known faucets use package transactions to send a bunch of dust to users. Bubblecoin can't do this because of structure of the game. There is no place to bunch transaction inside the game. Maybe you can rather ask something to make game better, instead of try to destroy everything with dust transactions, fight with milk-machine bots and loss serious players?
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Pretty much what everybody else has said, please add a faucet because the min bet is a little too large to try it out.
How do you plan to pay commissions on withdrawal if minimal bet will be decreased? Subtract it from your amount? Site pay 0.0001(4 cents) BTC from every transaction. Do you really think someone should do the same when you will deposit 0.000001(0.04 cents), double it, and then require withdrawal? Known faucets use package transactions to send a bunch of dust to users. Bubblecoin can't do this because of structure of the game. There is no place to bunch transaction inside the game. Maybe you should rather ask something to make game better, instead of try to destroy everything with dust transactions, fight with milk-machine bots and loss serious players? If the bet is small, they could have it held until an x amount of BTC is pending for withdraw, and then send it, or send a large bunched tx every 24 hours/other amount of time. I just visited the game today, and the concept seems interesting. OP should change the title though, since it is misleading. Most people won't get their bitcoin multiplied 10 times, and it is definitely not guaranteed. Change it to something that mentions the risk in the game, and use up to 10 times. Also, the provably fair isn't really provably. Nothing is stopping you
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So the thread name changed. Great. I see that is the real way with this game. Multiplying it with popping bubbles. I think I saw this game when I was a kid. Some old man walks at the streets with his cart and you will pay to pick in the hidden paper. There are numbers and if you pick the right choice you could win a cool item.
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April 10, 2016, 08:01:48 AM Last edit: April 10, 2016, 09:10:36 AM by UR |
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If the bet is small, they could have it held until an x amount of BTC is pending for withdraw, and then send it
Are you sure that people wich think 0.4 cents is big bet will be happy to wait for $4 on their account? Site will lost them all momentary. send a large bunched tx every 24 hours/other amount of time.
Site don't have so much users.Users will not wait as long as needed to complete bunch. the provably fair isn't really provably.
What exactly you can not examine?
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April 10, 2016, 09:56:24 AM |
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As OP said deposit is added without confirmations. Don't know how to verify this game is fair but i played with small money and bet and it is quite addicting. However lost all i deposited at last. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Color of the bubble make me more greedy, specially those dark colored one, i felt like they should have 10x or 5x but no they have only 0. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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April 10, 2016, 01:10:48 PM |
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A very much addicting game, still very few tries as a demo, a faucet is an absolute must in this website, in order to attract more people and make this website a great addition to other kinds of games like this.
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April 10, 2016, 01:42:12 PM |
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Cool game, I like the background Popcorn music, very relaxing while you pop bubbles. I think you should give people free demo credits to get a feel of the game, as of right now it just says "0" all the time. Also when I changed from "Bet" from 0 to anything else, I can't set it back to 0 and it asks me all the time to deposit mode, but I want to play in demo mode first.
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April 10, 2016, 03:52:18 PM |
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If the bet is small, they could have it held until an x amount of BTC is pending for withdraw, and then send it
Are you sure that people wich think 0.4 cents is big bet will be happy to wait for $4 on their account? Site will lost them all momentary. send a large bunched tx every 24 hours/other amount of time.
Site don't have so much users.Users will not wait as long as needed to complete bunch. I do agree that it wouldn't be very practical with a small volume, but as volume grows, you could consider it. Also, I meant once the total amount of withdraws needed reaches x BTC. For example, lets say 10 people won 40 cents, causing it to reach x amount, and then it would be sent. Not having one person do it. the provably fair isn't really provably.
What exactly you can not examine? I meant to finish my previous post, but I had something to do. What I meant was the although the game board as a whole is fair, the only individual bet that is fair is the last one, and that once can be predetermined. Here is an example: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F5VHdvZt.png&t=665&c=Qkh9ThnQmwH1Cg) The image shows 2 bubbles. Lets pretend that one of those bubbles has a 10 on it, and one is empty. Pretend I bet 0.1 BTC on the bubble that has a 10 on it. You could simply switch the multipliers, and the game would still add up to x950, but you would profit 0.1 BTC from that bet.
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April 10, 2016, 05:05:58 PM Last edit: April 12, 2016, 03:10:20 PM by win10x.support |
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![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F5VHdvZt.png&t=665&c=Qkh9ThnQmwH1Cg) The image shows 2 bubbles. Lets pretend that one of those bubbles has a 10 on it, and one is empty. Pretend I bet 0.1 BTC on the bubble that has a 10 on it. You could simply switch the multipliers, and the game would still add up to x950, but you would profit 0.1 BTC from that bet. You're almost right, but I can't do this repeatedly just because of this strategy all rewards will be placed in the last bubbles. The player should just wait for other make bids, and then harvest all the rewards. Also, players can use various bet values and one can rather lose from such a swap than win. While game stays simple, there is no place for deception. Any additional rules make this possible. There is no problem to make a hash of the game board, which will describe the initial placement of the rewards, but as ordinary players mostly have little understanding of the mechanics of it, IMO, it will be a kind of deception (brains fucking). Plus the army of idiots will try to crack the hashes. As the game is not much dynamic, them have all chances to succeed.
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April 10, 2016, 06:23:29 PM |
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![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F5VHdvZt.png&t=665&c=Qkh9ThnQmwH1Cg) The image shows 2 bubbles. Lets pretend that one of those bubbles has a 10 on it, and one is empty. Pretend I bet 0.1 BTC on the bubble that has a 10 on it. You could simply switch the multipliers, and the game would still add up to x950, but you would profit 0.1 BTC from that bet. You're almost right, but I can't do this repeatedly just because of this strategy all rewards will be placed in the last bubbles. The player should just wait for other make bids, and then harvest all the rewards. Also, players can use various bet values and one can rather lose from such a swap than win. While game stays simple, there is no place for deception. Any additional rules make this possible. There is no problem to make a hash of the gamepad, which will describe the initial placement of the rewards, but as ordinary players mostly have little understanding of the mechanics of it, IMO, it will be a kind of deception (brains fucking). Plus the army of idiots will try to crack the hashes. As the game is not much dynamic, them have all chances to succeed. You can't do it repeatedly, but I'm going to assume most bets on your site are dust. If you can cause someone to lose 0.1 BTC in one bet on your site, you would only be switching one bubble and it won't result in the last bubbles having all wins. Since you have no problem making a hash, I suggest you do so. I gamble a decent amount of BTC, and I wouldn't gamble on a website with your setup right now, based on how easy it is to manipulate the rewards. Deception is possible, and easily done by you.
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April 10, 2016, 07:31:39 PM |
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Its better to integrate this game with Moneypot. It has a lot of potential to succeed in real time. Just make it probably fair and people will love this game. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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April 11, 2016, 08:04:07 PM Last edit: April 18, 2016, 07:05:28 PM by UR |
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Its better to integrate this game with Moneypot.
I think it means rewriting the game from scratch. Since you have no problem making a hash, I suggest you do so.
Suggest OP not use a hash but encode the game board (rewards distribution) in the beginning of the game with AES (maybe TEA) and send the result to the user. At the end of the game - send the encryption key to user. Simple and reliably. The number of permutations and the alphabet for this game is not so big, that's why hash can be cracked by bruteforce during the game. Also, limited resources of server do not facilitate usage of "long" algorithms such as Scrypt IMO.
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April 17, 2016, 09:54:54 PM Last edit: April 21, 2016, 02:57:43 AM by win10x.support |
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New Proof of Fair algorithm is implemented on users request.Now you can check not only the amount of rewards on the game board, but exact placement of them. Third party service used to decode this information. Thanks DarkStar_ and UR for good advices. How it works:- When the game (new screen) starts, server encode game board (location of rewards) by cipher XXTEA. You can copy and save it for further usage.
- When all bubbles on the page are exploded, the server sends the decryption key to user.
- XXTEA can be decrypted using third party online services, such as www.movable-type.co.uk [?] this way initial locations of rewards can be decoded.
- In Audit mode, script stops the game after completing the game screen. Then you can compare decoded location and amount of rewards with your screen.
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April 18, 2016, 12:36:03 AM |
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Well I think about using browser as login may be quite inconvenient. you should implement register/login as an optional choice so that everyone can play it anywhere anytime instead of having to stick to their PCs or devices they have deposited to play
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April 18, 2016, 06:04:58 PM |
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Well I think about using browser as login may be quite inconvenient. you should implement register/login as an optional choice so that everyone can play it anywhere anytime instead of having to stick to their PCs or devices they have deposited to play
I'm not sure. Many people think registration is a annoying thing, so we don't use it. Now we are trying to find a solution where users can select which registration they use, but without additional questions and clarifications
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April 19, 2016, 05:12:24 AM |
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Well I think about using browser as login may be quite inconvenient. you should implement register/login as an optional choice so that everyone can play it anywhere anytime instead of having to stick to their PCs or devices they have deposited to play
I'm not sure. Many people think registration is a annoying thing, so we don't use it. Now we are trying to find a solution where users can select which registration they use, but without additional questions and clarifications yeah I know how annoying it is to have to register. But you should make registration optional so if they want to play on different devices, just sign in ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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April 19, 2016, 10:13:21 PM |
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It's not so simply. At least, we must ensure the impossibility of simultaneous access to the account from different devices, protection from XSS and simple bruteforce ..... Security is the key.
We will think about this and try to find a solution if it possible.
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It's not so simply. At least, we must ensure the impossibility of simultaneous access to the account from different devices, protection from XSS and simple bruteforce ..... Security is the key.
We will think about this and try to find a solution if it possible.
that would be great and you will be able to attract more and more players in the future for sure. If I come up anything, I will drop it here ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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April 20, 2016, 10:09:46 PM |
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BTW what wrong with this method? F.A.Q ( from users questions ) 1. How to copy cookies to another computer, to use the same account. On your old computer: - Go to Google Chrome, and then type in the address bar: chrome://settings/personal (or just navigate to Settings).
- Click "sync to my account" (or something like that) to sync it to your Google account.
On your new computer: - Click the wrench icon.
- Click sign in to Chrome.
As soon as you sign in to your synced Google account, all of your settings, bookmarks, etc. are transferred. The same functionality (cloud storage for browser data) for Firefox and Opera has been announced, but I haven't checked it. Also there is a lot of browser extensions and desktop softwares for cookies management.
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April 20, 2016, 10:34:04 PM |
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New Proof of Fair algorithm is implemented on users request.Now you can check not only the amount of rewards on the game board, but exact placement of them. Third party service used to decode this information. Thanks DarkStar_ and UR for good advices. How it works:- When the game (new screen) starts, server encode game board (location of rewards) by cipher XXTEA. You can copy and save it for further usage.
- When all bubbles on the page are exploded, the server sends the decryption key to user.
- XXTEA can be decrypted using third party online services, such as www.movable-type.co.uk [?] this way initial locations of rewards can be decoded.
- In Audit mode, script stops the game after completing the game screen. Then you can compare decoded location and amount of rewards with your screen.
It's nice that you actually listened and made the game provably fair. You should add one more thing though - A page where you can see the history of every single game (or at least last 50?) that has the hash and the decryption key listed. If I pop a bubble, and there are still 500 left, I'm not going to leave my computer open to the tab until the game board resets since it probably will be annoying just to verify it. This would also create more transparency, and people can copy the hash and check it with the game list to make sure the game was legit.
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