Avalon is (unfortunately) a scam. Here is why.

[finkleshnorts]

I'm going to push the envelop here.

In my mind, all the evidence to date points to Avalon not delivery as promised. Therefore, I openly invite Team Avalon to sue me. Simply have your lawyer contact me (PM/email). I will then provide them my real name, address, etc., so that they can properly serve me papers.

To make the libel suit official--Avalon is a scam!

If I don't hear from their lawyer within 24 hours, then what I stated above is indeed fact.

By 3:00 CST tomorrow, I will report back here to state that either I have been contacted by their lawyers, or no-joy. If I'm not contacted, then the age-old adage "buyer beware" is in force, and anybody purchasing Batch #2 are ____________ (refrained from completely the sentence, though the last word can easily be surmised).

~Bruno K~

PS: Somebody quote me. I am not drunk and this account has not been hacked, which can be verified by the admins of this forum if proof is needed.

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[PuertoLibre]

You want to tell them to piss off, don't you?  The hate is swelling in you now.  Take your keyboard weapon.  Use it.  They are unarmed.  Strike them down with it.  Give in to your anger.  With each passing moment, you make yourself more like me...

Indeed.

I suggest BitSyncom you turn away from becoming an Inaba. I understand that customer service is like washing a backed up toilet. (only worse since you have to deal with talking turds)

Just give the facts and hide the anger as it looks bad and puts you on par with Inaba. Let your success do the talking and walking for you.

Its a joke:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RFvAeSJgjc

I thought it was an interesting (and strangely slow paced).

I have never actually seen Star Wars. I don't even have a clue from what movie in the trilogy it is. I should go watch that movie someday.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

In china they don't sue you.
They simply send someone to visit you. They are more practical.

No problem here. They'll have my address. We keep the doors unlocked. There are no guns in this home. There'll more than welcome to come by unannounced, but with a courtesy call, I'll make sure to have tea ready.

[Beepbop]

If I don't hear from their lawyer within 24 hours, then what I stated above is indeed fact.

President Obama is a shape shifting lizard from Mars. If I don't hear from the Secret Service within 24 hours, then what I stated above is indeed fact. P.S. It doesn't count if the Secret Service contacts me about Bitcoin.

[beekeeper]

I thought it was an interesting (and strangely slow paced).

I have never actually seen Star Wars. I don't even have a clue from what movie in the trilogy it is. I should go watch that movie someday.

I don't know which movie either, but I would remember the scene anytime..

[johnyj]

I believe it is not a scam, but there are much more besides a working product, I think BFL feels like a well established business, while avalon feels the opposite, especially the custom service

[Trance104]

Your response "stinks", as coming from an insecure person "breathing" lies...

This is precisely why most people running bitcoin businesses or writing bitcoin software think the forum is a ghetto.

Back to ignore, you.

To bad the people running bitcoin businesses are all scammers. Look at bitcoinasic.net.... Who would have thought Tom to be a scammer? What a shame.

The community may talk down on "businesses", but with good reason.

[Korbman]

This is precisely why most people running bitcoin businesses or writing bitcoin software think the forum is a ghetto.

Back to ignore, you.

To bad the people running bitcoin businesses are all scammers. Look at bitcoinasic.net.... Who would have thought Tom to be a scammer? What a shame.

The community may talk down on "businesses", but with good reason.

Not entirely true. I imagine there are a number of businesses out there with wholehearted intentions. However, who do you think gets the most attention..a well-intentioned small business, or the latest scam to come to Bitcoin?

Oh, and Tom isn't a scammer (yet)...he just failed to run his business properly. People are still getting their refunds (slowly).

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I'm just goin' to leave this here:

By the regulation, the FCC DoC certification mark is mandatory for devices classified under part 15 (IT equipment like computers, switched-mode power supplies, monitors etc., television receivers, cable system devices, low-power transmitters, un-licensed personal communication devices) and part 18 (industrial, scientific, and medical (ISM) devices that emit RF radiation) of the FCC regulations.

[mrb]

cedivad, you are wrong. Avalon is not a scam. Neither you nor I can prove our opinions quite yet - so just wait and see.

1) Yifu cannot give a tracking number because, I theorize, he used unofficial / alternative ways to get the package quickly to Jeff in order to work around typical delays caused by traditional shipping companies, exports customs, etc. Perhaps he had to bribe a carrier, or a customs agent, or ask a travelling friend to carry it on a plane, etc.

2) Yifu said "resistor" instead of "mosfets and inductors" in a heated post. He made a mistake. Big deal. Besides, even resistors/capacitors can cause a 4-6 week delay (which he wants to avoid) when ordered in quantities of about 1 million (each Avalon unit probably has 200 1200 resistors/capacitors, multiplied by 600 units = 720 thousand (Edit: fixed math)). It is also very likely that most of the resistors/capacitors would be the exact same model, as they will be used as a supporting logic for a device that is estimated to be composed of 80 ASICs or so (see my previous posts making this estimation). That's lots of repetitive identical logic blocks. Even Digikey in the US rarely carries individual models of SMD resistors in qantities of 1+ million. Here is a concrete example: only ~5% of the 4.7kOhm SMD resistors models on Digikey are available in quantities of 1+ million.

3) I perfectly understand the Avalon team's stance. Every piece of evidence posted by BFL has been criticized. Avalon saw that and said "f*ck this shit - we are not going to waste time arguing with these trolls - let them see the evidence once we ship. Period."

4) Ditto. They don't need to prove anything. Plus mining on the main net would anger customers as they would raise the difficulty level.

5) You will hear from Chinese customers (if any ordered) as soon as they get their units. Patience - they just barely started shipping!

[Bugpowder]

I think they've made clear that their counter-argument is going to be coming in a box with fans and ASICs in it. I'm just getting the popcorn. Being at the cutting edge of mining is a high-risk venture.

This is not the cutting edge of mining.  Its the latest scam.

[crazyates]

I have never actually seen Star Wars.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like you.

But you can see Inaba's point tho, right?

[libertybuck]

but I am sure all ASIC and FPGA boards have a DC to DC PSU.

I think so. If you have a Icarus or Lancelot FPGA boards you will know it is true.

[tvbcof]

Your response "stinks", as coming from an insecure person "breathing" lies...

This is precisely why most people running bitcoin businesses or writing bitcoin software think the forum is a ghetto.

Back to ignore, you.

It would surprise me not if most people participating in the forum itself felt this way.  In a funny way that is part of the appeal of it to me, but then again it is not robbing me of time I would be spending on worthwhile things ATM.

[fernarios]

even resistors/capacitors can cause a 4-6 week delay (which he wants to avoid) when ordered in quantities of 1+ million (each Avalon unit probably has 200+ resistors/capacitors, multiplied by 600 units = 1.2 million).

>200*600=1 200 000

[mrb]

even resistors/capacitors can cause a 4-6 week delay (which he wants to avoid) when ordered in quantities of 1+ million (each Avalon unit probably has 200+ resistors/capacitors, multiplied by 600 units = 1.2 million).

>200*600=1 200 000

Huh? You just confirmed my math.

[greyhawk]

do the math again

[mrb]

Oops! Shame on me. Damn extra zeros.

If I may adjust my argument and estimation, the Avalon ASIC PCB shows about 15 resistors/capacitors per ASIC. I estimated earlier they will have about 80 ASICs per Avalon, so that's 1200 resistors/capacitors per Avalon, multiplied by 600 units = 720k resistors/capacitors. Not 1+ million but close.

[mb300sd]

Oops! Shame on me. Damn extra zeros.

If I may adjust my argument and estimation, the Avalon ASIC PCB shows about 15 resistors/capacitors per ASIC. I estimated earlier they will have about 80 ASICs per Avalon, so that's 1200 resistors/capacitors per Avalon, multiplied by 600 units = 720k resistors/capacitors. Not 1+ million but close.

Shouldn't be an issue... I just searched for a few random values picked from projects I've worked on recently.

http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?FV=fff40001%2Cfff800e9&vendor=0&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ptm=0&fid=0&quantity=0&PV1=112&PV16=5

http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?FV=fff40001%2Cfff800e9&vendor=0&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ptm=0&fid=0&quantity=0&PV1=261&PV16=5

http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?FV=fff40002%2Cfff8000b&vendor=0&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ptm=0&fid=0&quantity=0&PV13=40&PV16=5

look at the quantities available..

Also, the capacitors around the IC are likely to be power bypass capacitors, which can easily be substituted for with slightly different values

[Bogart]

His computer will only work in NYC? This blows my mind!

He either checks the connecting ip or has the certificates on a pc there.

I do not have my hardware 2 factor auth