Q: Should Lauda *really* be a moderator of bitcointalk A: no

[defcon23]

Looks like some unintended consequences from reporting posts?  Could look sneaky but maybe it's just unexpected result...

I can't have anything to do with this even if I wanted it (someone else would have to confirm a rule was broken in order to delete them).

you always be... the "resolution" have never  change this "fact"
you perfectly know what you have done .

Again, I apologize for the unintended mess from a chatroom. I'm at most semi-serious there unless there's a deep conversation going on. I have bought the coin via the auction and would have most likely offered you a lot more back when I offered $25 (but you refused to sell).

you have ask to minerjones to bid for you, and syncerly never mind with this ...    but, even in this auction , your friend Lutpin have acted ... read it  ( just because the price was goes too higuest for "you" ) ( 0.3 btc )


and about this post:

Breaking news: mini and I are partners in crime.

it is not less or more "inconsitent post than the ones you have reported from mine)

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[hilariousandco]

3: he work behind the scene against me with Lutpin , ...

I handled several if not all the reports. As already stated, Lutpin reported them and they were handled just like any other report would be. Lauda had nothing to do with it and bumps getting deleted aren't going to get you banned. Stop being paranoid.

Ok .. please explain me why should i sold a coin to Lauda for 25$ ( wich i can sold for 0.25 btc ) , and if i dont do it , have my rating painted in red ? is this normal ?

i have never scam anyone and always been honest with everyone .

This is the first I've heard of it and I'm not even sure what went on but I have no interest in getting in any drama between you and Lauda and that's something you two will have to work out. I merely just stopped by to tell you that I deleted those posts that were constituted as bumps and there's no vast conspiracy going on against you.

[Lauda]

you have ask to minerjones to bid for you, and syncerly never mind with this ...    

IIRC minerjones told me about it, I was not aware that the auction was in progress. In any case, he did it to prevent it from getting 'lost' (another one already is).

but, even in this auction , your friend Lutpin have acted ... read it  ( just because the price was goes too higuest for "you" ) ( 0.3 btc )

I was away during the auction ending (I think), and have only seen what happened after it happened. You can't blame Lutpin for pointing out incorrect bids (according to your own auction rules), can you? Not that this is relevant to the OP.

Breaking news: mini and I are partners in crime.

You forgot to add the part where you both were working for me.

[Quickseller]

Timeline of events (summary):

• 02/07/2016 – I offered defcon23 a genesis trade-in or $25 for #1 Brass (which is what the coin was worth at the time, as the other #1 coins have sold for a maximum of $25). He declined my offer.
• 09/07/2016 – Genesis Auction starts.
• 12/07/2016 – Mutual negative ratings were left (I left the first rating). Later this day, the auction had finished[1].
• 15/07/2016 – We have come to an agreement that  works for each other. We have made peace and have resumed normal communications.

       
[1] - I'm actually the person who won the auction as the current winner was bidding for me.

You forgot to mention the fact that you threatened ("jokingly" or not) defcon23 with negative trust if he did not sell the coin to you.

You also failed to mention that you told defcon23 that you expected to be asked to pay a higher price for a similar coin "later"

You failed to mention that a less desirable coin (serial number 2 as opposed to 1) was selling for much more then your offer price here

[Lutpin]

I interfered with your auction because you failed to follow the rules you layed down within OP, which others confirmed.
I had no idea MJ was bidding for lauda at that time (I suspected it, strongly, but did NOT know it).
Accusing me of all this shit is shocking to me, integrity has always been a key to me.


@QS: that sale by cjb is a series 1 coin, which imo can't be compared. I sold a #2 series 2 coin for much less roughly at the auction time.

[Lauda]

You forgot to mention the fact that you threatened ("jokingly" or not) defcon23 with negative trust if he did not sell the coin to you. You also failed to mention that you told defcon23 that you expected to be asked to pay a higher price for a similar coin "later"

No. I wanted a more detailed timeline but defcon23 said it should be kept short and that other people could ask us directly what happened if they wanted to know. I'm not completely sure what you mean with the second part, but I did mention expecting to be asked ridiculous prices for the last piece(s).

You failed to mention that a less desirable coin (serial number 2 as opposed to 1) was selling for much more then your offer price here

I'm collecting Genesis series 2. These are series 1 coins and you use that for a price comparison(look at the thread update date)?


I highly advise you to stop pretending like you know what you're talking about (in this matter) when your knowledge regarding crypto-coins is questionable at best.

[Vod]

defcon23 is the blackmailer in this matter, and he has a history of blackmail.

blackmail:  to force or coerce into a particular action, statement, etc.

I left defcon23 proper negative feedback after he was caught in a escrow scam.

He then left me negative feedback calling me a scammer.

He then sent me many PMs saying he would remove his feedback if I removed mine.  I finally had to block his PMs.

Now he did the same thing to Lauda, removing his lying feedback only once Lauda removed his feedback.

I have no idea why Lauda would leave that blackmailer POSITIVE feedback while he continues to insult Lauda.  

[Quickseller]

If you have the DOX of Lauda please PM me. If you shipped to Lauda please PM me the address shipped to.

I will verify with public sources and publish her DOX.

I am not sure that doxing someone over this incident is appropriate. I would suggest that a more appropriate resolution would be a warning not to deal with Lauda, and removing her from being a mod. My opinion on this would obviously change in the event that additional evidence is uncovered that suggests this is more then an isolated incident.

I do find it strange that someone who has been as uncontroversial as Lauda in the past is going to such great lengths to protect their identity, especially considering the reputation of those Lauda has traded physical items with. Or maybe it is strange that Lutpin is claiming this to be a fact (when it is really not) -- if this is the case then Lutpin is clearly not the neutral party he is claiming to be in this thread -- are there any txid's that might backup these trades?

the resolution that i  came to was to each remove our negative trust ratings, and to replace them with positive trust that was from an actual deal. ..

I think that Lauda was trying to extort me, that i think the price of the coin was at least .25 when lauda offered $25 for it, and i don't think that Lauda was joking when he was threatening to leave me negative trust if i did not sell him the coin

I think this looks very bad on the side of Lauda. For starters, it appears this is more evidence that Lauda is engaging in trust farming. Secondly, and more importantly, it discredits the claim that Lauda was "joking" when he threatened to leave negative trust when the coin in question was put up for sale.

Last time I checked reporting was neither against the forum rules, nor was it being frowned upon (at least not by the people who's opinion I care about).
Why should't I "publicly admit" my reporting activity?
I'm open to talk about what reports I make for which reasons.

#1 from what I can gather, it looks like the posts in question probably should have been deleted.
#2 From what I can gather, you are somewhat close to Lauda, and appear to be backing him. From an outsider's perspective, one might be able to argue that the reason for the reports might be something more then you "came across" an old post that should be deleted.
#3 In the past, others have suddenly had a lot of old bumps deleted when they were in the middle of a dispute with someone. They sometimes receive this as being an intimidation tactic.
#4 with #2 being said, the fact that I do not like someone, or that I am on one side of an argument/dispute with someone will not prevent me from reporting their posts
#5 Considering #1, someone else would likely have eventually reported the posts anyway.

it's because Lada have try to extortion for this coin , he have menace to rate me in red on my ranking if i dont sold him this coin for 25$ as i pretty well know i would sold it for 0.25 bitcoins !
That's clearly extortion/blackmail

extortion was about a coin : genesis #1 ,  not relative to these deleted posts ... scroll a bit in this thread.

Lauda offered to buy a coin from defcon23 for $25. After defcon23 declined the offer, Lauda said she was going to leave negative trust (see screenshot here). Lauda claims that her threat of negative trust was a "joke". A few weeks later, defcon auctions off the coin in question, and Lauda leaves defcon23 negative trust on the day the auction was scheduled to end. (it might have been said that Lauda was not aware of the auction at the time the negative trust was left, but I am not 100% sure). The negative trust was over something that allegedly happened ~a year ago. The coin ended up selling for ~7 times the amount of Lauda's offer.

@QS: that sale by cjb is a series 1 coin, which imo can't be compared. I sold a #2 series 2 coin for much less roughly at the auction time.

The coin that Lauda was trying to buy still ended up selling for ~7x what Lauda was trying to pay for it.

You forgot to mention the fact that you threatened ("jokingly" or not) defcon23 with negative trust if he did not sell the coin to you. You also failed to mention that you told defcon23 that you expected to be asked to pay a higher price for a similar coin "later"

No. I wanted a more detailed timeline but defcon23 said it should be kept short and that other people could ask us directly what happened if they wanted to know. I'm not completely sure what you mean with the second part, but I did mention expecting to be asked ridiculous prices for the last piece(s).

You left out the reason why there is a dispute in the first place.

Yes, you said that you expected to be asked to pay a price that was higher then the $25 you were offering. You knew that you would not be able to buy the coin for $25 in the open market.

[Lutpin]

I do find it strange that someone who has been as uncontroversial as Lauda in the past is going to such great lengths to protect their identity, especially considering the reputation of those Lauda has traded physical items with. Or maybe it is strange that Lutpin is claiming this to be a fact (when it is really not) -- if this is the case then Lutpin is clearly not the neutral party he is claiming to be in this thread -- are there any txid's that might backup these trades?

txids for trades of genesis coins against each other for completing sets or aquiring certain #'s aswell as metals are rather hard to get, there aren't any.
I've been reshipping a coin from chronicsky to Mitchell, which was intended to end up at Laudas, I'm sure both of the involved parties (besides Lauda and me) will confirm this, when you ask them.

[Quickseller]

I do find it strange that someone who has been as uncontroversial as Lauda in the past is going to such great lengths to protect their identity, especially considering the reputation of those Lauda has traded physical items with. Or maybe it is strange that Lutpin is claiming this to be a fact (when it is really not) -- if this is the case then Lutpin is clearly not the neutral party he is claiming to be in this thread -- are there any txid's that might backup these trades?

txids for trades of genesis coins against each other for completing sets or aquiring certain #'s aswell as metals are rather hard to get, there aren't any.
I've been reshipping a coin from chronicsky to Mitchell, which was intended to end up at Laudas, I'm sure both of the involved parties (besides Lauda and me) will confirm this, when you ask them.

I guess I will have to take your word for it. Although that does sound like an awful lot of steps for a couple of $25 coins.

[Lauda]

defcon23 is the blackmailer in this matter, and he has a history of blackmail.
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I have no idea why Lauda would leave that blackmailer POSITIVE feedback while he continues to insult Lauda.  

Honestly, from the conversation that I had with them I got the idea that they genuenly wanted to make peace and get this over with. Additionally, they were really friendly yesterday. I guess I was wrong, the feedback has been reduced to neutral in light of the new situation and is going to stay that way.

I do find it strange that someone who has been as uncontroversial as Lauda in the past is going to such great lengths to protect their identity, especially considering the reputation of those Lauda has traded physical items with.

So people who are genuinely concerned with privacy and anonymity are strange? There was only 1 person here besides Mitchell that ever shipped to me directly, but they are deceased.

are there any txid's that might backup these trades?

You could either get IRC/Slack/PM logs to back these up or TX ID's (in some cases there are none since there's a trade-in). However, I'm sure that most of these people don't want to get involved.

I think this looks very bad on the side of Lauda. For starters, it appears this is more evidence that Lauda is engaging in trust farming.

No. I had suggested and even labeled it (optional) to him while we were discussing. I asked several times whether the other party felt like something had to be done differently, they insisted several times that they just wanted to make peace and we came to a mutual agreement. The user in question suddenly backed out of everything for something that has no connection to me(?) and thus I've changed my rating to neutral. I'm really done with this. I will neither remove nor change my rating anymore.

From what I can gather, you are somewhat close to Lauda, and appear to be backing him.

If occasionally talking, mostly about forum related matters, equals being somewhat close and 'backing him', maybe.

Lauda offered to buy a coin from defcon23 for $25. After defcon23 declined the offer, Lauda said she was going to leave negative trust (see screenshot here). Lauda claims that her threat of negative trust was a "joke".

I have never stated I'd leave the seller negative rating for that and have not done so.

it might have been said that Lauda was not aware of the auction at the time the negative trust was left, but I am not 100% sure). The negative trust was over something that allegedly happened ~a year ago. The coin ended up selling for ~7 times the amount of Lauda's offer.

No. I was aware of the auction that day, however the rating has nothing to do with the bogus escrow situation but their bad retaliatory feedback (which they have rewritten properly with my help) and thus I have removed my rating. Also: Defcon23 refused to sell at all (mentioned even possibly keeping it, not refused to sell just at $25.

You left out the reason why there is a dispute in the first place.

Again, defcon23 insisted on keeping it short.

Yes, you said that you expected to be asked to pay a price that was higher then the $25 you were offering. You knew that you would not be able to buy the coin for $25 in the open market.

There were no sales of a #1 in the open market (I had 3 private sales so far) beforehand and the offer was genuine. The user in question didn't provide a counter-offer (e.g. higher asking price) and thus it was left at that.

I guess I will have to take your word for it. Although that does sound like an awful lot of steps for a couple of $25 coins.

The situation was specific. For some reason chronicsky was unable to ship directly to NL.

[Lutpin]

I guess I will have to take your word for it. Although that does sound like an awful lot of steps for a couple of $25 coins.

Shipping from sky to me was something around $3, shipping from me to Mitchell was around $6-ish, I think shipping from Mitchell to Lauda will happen in bulk, so there's probably no additional shipping cost for that.
It indeed did take alot of time, mostly due to customs sitting on the package for around a week,
but the price is rather low, considering that shipping from the US to Europe often comes at $25/$50+ without any additional steps for reshipping.

From what I can gather, you are somewhat close to Lauda, and appear to be backing him.

If occasionally talking, mostly about forum related matters, equals being somewhat close and 'backing him', maybe.

I've got cats, you like cats - we're basically BFFs.

[Vod]

Honestly, from the conversation that I had with them I got the idea that they genuenly wanted to make peace and get this over with. Additionally, they were really friendly yesterday. I guess I was wrong, the feedback has been reduced to neutral in light of the new situation and is going to stay that way.

And like clockwork, he changed his feedback back to negative, in an attempt to blackmail you.

Be the bigger person, keep your feedback at neutral, and let the entire community see what a nutjob that guy is.

(You may also want to block his PMs like I had to, or else you will get constant PMS offering to remove his negative feedback IF you leave him positive.)

@CanaryInTheMine - Kudos to you on your attempt to bring peace.  I believe defcon is too mentally unstable to understand what you were trying to do.   

[Quickseller]

Honestly, from the conversation that I had with them I got the idea that they genuenly wanted to make peace and get this over with. Additionally, they were really friendly yesterday. I guess I was wrong, the feedback has been reduced to neutral in light of the new situation and is going to stay that way.

And like clockwork, he changed his feedback back to negative, in an attempt to blackmail you.

I don't think you understand what it means to blackmail someone. In order to blackmail someone, you need to ask for something of value that is not rightfully yours. Defcon23 has not asked for anything of value from Lauda.

Lauda on the otherhand asked for a cryptocoin worth 0.25BTC for next to nothing, and threatened to damage his reputation if he did not comply. There is a very big difference between the two. 

[Vod]

Lutpin - I see you left him needed feedback, and he turned around and left you negative instantly.  Be prepared for the PMs offering to remove that feedback if you remove yours.  

I don't think you understand what it means to blackmail someone. In order to blackmail someone, you need to ask for something of value that is not rightfully yours. Defcon23 has not asked for anything of value from Lauda.

Sure he has.  It has value to him to not have negative feedback on his profile.  I understand the rules are different in your world, however.

[Lauda]

Be the bigger person, keep your feedback at neutral, and let the entire community see what a nutjob that guy is.

It is neutral and will remain like that.

(You may also want to block his PMs like I had to, or else you will get constant PMS offering to remove his negative feedback IF you leave him positive.)

I have ignored him as I'm done with this. I have put too much effort into genuinely trying to make peace with this user just to have them to back out of everything in an instant.

Lauda on the otherhand asked for a cryptocoin worth 0.25BTC for next to nothing, and threatened to damage his reputation if he did not comply. There is a very big difference between the two.  

I am starting to think that a) You are doing this on purpose; b) You have comprehension issues. The coin was not worth "0.25 BTC" unless you can see in the future(?). Even now, it is arguable if it is worth 0.25 BTC. Similarly if I offer someone ~$670 for 1 BTC now, you can't claim I offered "next to nothing" if it reaches a price of, e.g. $1k after X time.

Lutpin - I see you left him needed feedback, and he turned around and left you negative instantly.  

I even explained to him several times, during our negations, why bad retaliatory feedback should not be left.

[suchmoon]

Honestly, from the conversation that I had with them I got the idea that they genuenly wanted to make peace and get this over with. Additionally, they were really friendly yesterday. I guess I was wrong, the feedback has been reduced to neutral in light of the new situation and is going to stay that way.

And like clockwork, he changed his feedback back to negative, in an attempt to blackmail you.

I don't think you understand what it means to blackmail someone. In order to blackmail someone, you need to ask for something of value that is not rightfully yours. Defcon23 has not asked for anything of value from Lauda.

Lauda on the otherhand asked for a cryptocoin worth 0.25BTC for next to nothing, and threatened to damage his reputation if he did not comply. There is a very big difference between the two. 

Why do you keep fanning the fire that had already been put out with Canary's help? Defcon23 clearly has issues, just leave it be and move along.

[gorgon666]

If you have the DOX of Lauda please PM me. If you shipped to Lauda please PM me the address shipped to.

I will verify with public sources and publish her DOX.

Please keep the tidbits of information coming! Every little bit about the identity of Lauda helps!

[defcon23]

Be the bigger person, keep your feedback at neutral, and let the entire community see what a nutjob that guy is.

It is neutral and will remain like that.

(You may also want to block his PMs like I had to, or else you will get constant PMS offering to remove his negative feedback IF you leave him positive.)

I have ignored him as I'm done with this. I have put too much effort into genuinely trying to make peace with this user just to have them to back out of everything in an instant.

Lauda on the otherhand asked for a cryptocoin worth 0.25BTC for next to nothing, and threatened to damage his reputation if he did not comply. There is a very big difference between the two.  

I am starting to think that a) You are doing this on purpose; b) You have comprehension issues. The coin was not worth "0.25 BTC" unless you can see in the future(?). Even now, it is arguable if it is worth 0.25 BTC. Similarly if I offer someone ~$670 for 1 BTC now, you can't claim I offered "next to nothing" if it reaches a price of, e.g. $1k after X time.

Lutpin - I see you left him needed feedback, and he turned around and left you negative instantly.  

I even explained to him several times, during our negations, why bad retaliatory feedback should not be left.

really ? : so you should explain that to the troll ( Vod) too ..

despite the fact that the evidence that i escrowed for myself doesn't even make any sense, Lauda has said multiple times that Vods rating is valid and it is because of Lauda that cryptodevil left me  a negative rating.

Just because Lauda left me a "positive rating" for a trade we have ( and just after left a bad one ) doesn't mean that he isn't working against me behind the scenes.

Lauda should be removed as a moderator and i do not believe Lauda is able to be impartial. that's a fact.
A moderator never tried to force an user to sold him a coin under his real  valor , with menacing of detroy his reputation if  i dont do it ..
by the way , he finaly did it : look at all this shit now ..  i just applause : well done !

[defcon23]

Lutpin - I see you left him needed feedback, and he turned around and left you negative instantly.  Be prepared for the PMs offering to remove that feedback if you remove yours.  

I don't think you understand what it means to blackmail someone. In order to blackmail someone, you need to ask for something of value that is not rightfully yours. Defcon23 has not asked for anything of value from Lauda.

Sure he has.  It has value to him to not have negative feedback on his profile.  I understand the rules are different in your world, however.

who try to manipulate bitcointalk trust ranking ? me ?? look by yourself:




you can clearly see here who is trying to manipulate everyone , just to save his ass in this thread...

Then NO : Lauda shoudnt be a moderator .. if we cant trust a moderator that's start to be terrible for everyone....