Q: Should Lauda *really* be a moderator of bitcointalk A: no

[expert4knowledge]

I do not know who Lauda is exactly and what she or he did but it can be an interesting and also dangerous to ask forum members about distributing responsibilities of the forum admins, moderators. I prefer admins who are not strict pedagogue.

I truly failed to understand the meaning of this post (I've even asked other people for interpretation). Care to elaborate?

First thanks for politeness, it seems that original poster is criticizing you and wants you do not be a moderator anymore, however I am saying the idea that members can comment about who can be a moderator and they vote for selecting moderators admin can be interesting and also dangerous since it may lead that some inappropriate members be selected.  In the second part, I say I like admins that are open to mistakes and elaborate the actions that others do.

I do not know who Lauda is exactly and what she or he did but it can be an interesting and also dangerous to ask forum members about distributing responsibilities of the forum admins, moderators. I prefer admins who are not strict pedagogue.

I truly failed to understand the meaning of this post (I've even asked other people for interpretation). Care to elaborate?

Don't bother. He's on my ignore list not (just) for being a notorious sig spammer, but because he somehow makes less sense than a Markov text generator.

Ohhh!! It is the worst news I have heard in my life that you considered me on your ignore list, I am not sure you realize what Markov text generator does, I saw some guys got what I said so if you think my words are similar to a random word generator then you are either a person with low IQ or you are a person with low knowledge in English.

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[Quickseller]

Also, regarding the BTC that Lauda received, I don't think the issue is so much that the BTC might be stolen, but is more the issue of how Lauda reacted when he determined it might be stolen. The overall impression that I got from Lauda was that he does not care if the BTC is stolen or not, and that it is none of anyone's business what he does with it.

No. After doing my own analysis, I have concluded that it is not stolen.

Regardless of your "analysis", your intent was to keep the money one way or another. This is based on the fact that you explicitly said in IRC that you do not care about how your taking TF's BTC looks from the outside.

More recently, it looks like that lauda cannot respond to criticism nor answer tough questions without trolling the person asking. Also, more recently, it appears that Lauda does not care about how his actions look to those on the outside:

How I interact with people outside of the forum is also [...] nor has it any relevance to the forum nor moderation.

Of course it does. How you act outside the forum will reflect on your reputation here. Your reputation needs to be maintained in order for members to have faith in the moderation.

Either way, I was not referring to how you act outside the forum. I was referring to how you act when you are asked tough questions within the forum, and when your personal ethics are called into question.

Moderators are given discretion on how they handle things, and even going beyond discretion, they have the ability to mark a report as "bad" that is not necessarily a bad report, potentially allowing something to stay that should not stay. If someone with questionable ethics has access to this information/abilities, then why should it be expected for this information to be kept confidential?

Ethics are irrelevant in this context due to the nature of how I treat the set of given rules.

Of course ethics are relevant in the decision if someone should be a moderator or not. Why should anyone trust you to abstain from handling a report that might involve you in you have questionable ethics? You already trashcanned a thread that was hostile to a friend of yours very recently, so you are not ignoring reports that you might be biased about.

You've lied on this forum numerous times - most notably when you said you banned when you weren't, and when you said you'd leave when you didn't. It looks like Quickseller cannot respond to criticism nor answer tough questions without trolling the person asking.  

When one calls them out on this, they claim it's ad hominem even though we are purely talking about facts.

I think you need to look up what ad-hominem means. This is you attacking the person delivering the message instead of the argument itself. You are saying that I am a scammer (which is libel), and therefore whatever I say should be ignored, despite the fact that my arguments are easily independently verified.

The best part of the discussion is. Both of them are literally getting paid to fight/argue.

LOL

[Foxpup]

I think you need to look up what ad-hominem means. This is you attacking the person delivering the message instead of the argument itself. You are saying that I am a scammer (which is libel), and therefore whatever I say should be ignored, despite the fact that my arguments are easily independently verified.

I think you're the one who needs to look it up. Argumentum ad hominem is fallacious only inasmuch as the personal attack is irrelevant to the argument in question, that is, it is a logical non sequitur. But the argument that "scammers are not to be trusted, you are a scammer, therefore you are not to be trusted" is perfectly valid logic, so if you want to refute it, you'll have to disprove the premises.

[tspacepilot]

The best part of the discussion is. Both of them are literally getting paid to fight/argue.

LOL

Maybe nearly as good, the OP and Quickseller are the same guy, so he's literally just discussing with himself on most of the first few pages.

[ajareselde]

The best part of the discussion is. Both of them are literally getting paid to fight/argue.

LOL

Maybe nearly as good, the OP and Quickseller are the same guy, so he's literally just discussing with himself on most of the first few pages.

Is this true ? Can you point us to something that would support such a conclusion ?

[Quickseller]

The best part of the discussion is. Both of them are literally getting paid to fight/argue.

LOL

Maybe nearly as good, the OP and Quickseller are the same guy, so he's literally just discussing with himself on most of the first few pages.

Is this true ? Can you point us to something that would support such a conclusion ?

No, and no. Take a look at his post history and you will see his obsession with me, and you will see how much of a troll he is. Feel free to put him on your ignore list.

[miffman]

Is this thread really still going on? Lol.

[tspacepilot]

The best part of the discussion is. Both of them are literally getting paid to fight/argue.

LOL

Maybe nearly as good, the OP and Quickseller are the same guy, so he's literally just discussing with himself on most of the first few pages.

Is this true ? Can you point us to something that would support such a conclusion ?

Publically, I can only provide anecdotal evidence.  Basically, you have to look at QS typical attack pattern.  He's done it now to several people on this forum.  When he gets obsessed with someone and decides to go after them, he first attacks with an alt.  He used to use his more higher rank alts "Panthers52" and "ACCTSeller", but these were outed.  So in the last few iterations (his attack threads against dooglus, for example), he uses a newbie account.  You'll see this newbie will open up a thread of accusations, usually with an outlandish tone and little discussion.  Somewhere on the first page, QS will show up with his main account and and more or less take over the thread.  He usually switches back to the newbie alt at various times in the thread in order to keep it bumped.  So, basically, this pair of Lauda attack threads by "gorgon666" fits QS MO perfectly.

Privately, some folks have noticed a certain "signature" that's in the posts of QS and all of his alts.  We haven't found any non QS accounts that have this feature.  We first noticed it when he was attacking me with ACCTSeller, Funfunnyfan, Panthers52 and Quickseller.  The thing is this, because QS still does this kinda stuff, using armies of sockpuppet accounts to try to smear someone, it's more valuable to me to keep this telltale sign a secret, since it keeps proving useful in finding his new attack alts.  If you weren't aware, Newtons1 and gorgon666 seem to be his latest attack accounts.  I'm sure he has others though.

[BitcoinEXpress]

The best part of the discussion is. Both of them are literally getting paid to fight/argue.

LOL

Maybe nearly as good, the OP and Quickseller are the same guy, so he's literally just discussing with himself on most of the first few pages.

Is this true ? Can you point us to something that would support such a conclusion ?

No, and no. Take a look at his post history and you will see his obsession with me, and you will see how much of a troll he is. Feel free to put him on your ignore list.

Why are you still here?

Are you seriously going to claim that you do not use alts, lots of them to attack people that do not agree with you?
Are you seriously going to claim that you do not use alts, lots of them to commit escrow fraud? <--- Proven with evidence

Lastly,

Can you give us anything, no matter how small that supports you having ANY credibility in calling someone a scammer?


~BCX~

[freedoge.co]

Lauda is even more popular because of this topic so he/she is going to stay and be moderator, i'd close/delete this topic already. BTW Lauda are you male or female?   sorry if this question is not appropriate but i'm so curious.

[BitcoinEXpress]

Why are you still here?

Are you seriously going to claim that you do not use alts, lots of them to attack people that do not agree with you?
Are you seriously going to claim that you do not use alts, lots of them to commit escrow fraud? <--- Proven with evidence

Lastly,

Can you give us anything, no matter how small that supports you having ANY credibility in calling someone a scammer?


~BCX~

I will take your silence as you have nothing credible or evidence backed to support your OP that Lauda should not be a mod.



~BCX~

[Vod]

I will take your silence as you have nothing credible or evidence backed to support your OP that Lauda should not be a mod.

Quickseller has been laying low recently, after his extortion attempt of DT members.  I'm sure his alts will be by to boost his position.   

[tspacepilot]

Quickseller has been laying low recently, after his extortion attempt of DT members.  I'm sure his alts will be by to boost his position.  

Is there a link?  I think I missed that one.  Can't say the report surprises me.

[Vod]

Is there a link?  I think I missed that one.  Can't say the report surprises me.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1592679.0

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The best part of the discussion is. Both of them are literally getting paid to fight/argue.

LOL

Maybe nearly as good, the OP and Quickseller are the same guy, so he's literally just discussing with himself on most of the first few pages.

Is this true ? Can you point us to something that would support such a conclusion ?

No, and no. Take a look at his post history and you will see his obsession with me, and you will see how much of a troll he is. Feel free to put him on your ignore list.

Why are you still here?

Are you seriously going to claim that you do not use alts, lots of them to attack people that do not agree with you?
Are you seriously going to claim that you do not use alts, lots of them to commit escrow fraud? <--- Proven with evidence

Lastly,

Can you give us anything, no matter how small that supports you having ANY credibility in calling someone a scammer?


~BCX~

Well said, sir.  I think the same thing every. fucking. time. QS fans his BS about scamming, escrow, alts, and anything to do with DT or being trusted.  There is, in my mind, zero credibility to be had on his part.  Everything he writes on those topics just reeks of hypocrisy and stinks up whatever thread it's in.

Of course QS has a beef with the concept of DT and with moderators.  His public disgrace and shaming was something to behold, and I reread it from time to time, late in the night, for entertainment.

[tspacepilot]

Of course QS has a beef with the concept of DT and with moderators.  His public disgrace and shaming was something to behold, and I reread it from time to time, late in the night, for entertainment.

He had no such beef when he was on the DT list and when he was jockeying to become a moderator.  Back then DT was the only way to keep scammers out of here.  O the irony.

Of course the definition of "scammer" for Quickseller is different from the one the rest of us use.  His definition is basically "someone who publically disagrees with me".  Most of us use a definition which includes things like cheating people out of escrow money, etc.

[BitcoinEXpress]

Most of us use a definition which includes things like cheating people out of escrow money, etc.

Any chance you can cite any evidence proven cases of escrow scamming here on BCT?


~BCX~

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Most of us use a definition which includes things like cheating people out of escrow money, etc.

Any chance you can cite any evidence proven cases of escrow scamming here on BCT?


~BCX~

Do you consider "self-escrow" to be escrow scamming?  Some people don't, including QS and all the ones who stuck up for him. 

[tspacepilot]

Most of us use a definition which includes things like cheating people out of escrow money, etc.

Any chance you can cite any evidence proven cases of escrow scamming here on BCT?


~BCX~

Is this an attempt at irony?  I don't get it.  Playing dumb: you know there's a 20 page thread detailing how QS cheated people out of escrow money by fooling them into thinking he was a third party just so that he could collect the fees and not have to use an actual escrow for the deal, right?

[bitkilo]

Most of us use a definition which includes things like cheating people out of escrow money, etc.

Any chance you can cite any evidence proven cases of escrow scamming here on BCT?


~BCX~

Is this an attempt at irony?  I don't get it.  Playing dumb: you know there's a 20 page thread detailing how QS cheated people out of escrow money by fooling them into thinking he was a third party just so that he could collect the fees and not have to use an actual escrow for the deal, right?

Didn't master-p and escrow.ms get busted for escrow scamming some time ago as well?