Debate Site

[bbit]

I've always been thinking about creating a site where there will be two participates who will be on opposite sides of any current issue or range of issues and be on webcam to debate it.

Would anyone be interested in me creating something like this?

Not sure what form of compensation (if any) or let the public make tips in bitcoins for each participate based on the opposing view points. It will be at set time/day. Maybe I should post this in Politics & Society forum?

Thoughts & feedback welcome'd!  

Great feedback everyone! I moved ahead and created a landing page!
http://debate.swiftbitcoins.com/

Will add a "notification email" box so you'll know when the debate is up live!

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[Phinnaeus Gage]

I've always been thinking about creating a site where there will be two participates who will be on opposite sides of any current issue or range of issues and be on webcam to debate it.

Would anyone be interested in me creating something like this?

Not sure what form of compensation (if any) or let the public make tips in bitcoins for each participate based on the opposing view points. It will be at set time/day. Maybe I should post this in Politics & Society forum?

Thoughts & feedback welcome'd! 

You can include voting via Bitcoin. At the very end of the debate, the side with the most coins wins.

[bbit]

You can include voting via Bitcoin. At the very end of the debate, the side with the most coins wins.

Actually, I was trying to figure out a good way to have "voting" not a bad idea at all. Have to think how to implement it.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

You can include voting via Bitcoin. At the very end of the debate, the side with the most coins wins.

Actually, I was trying to figure out a good way to have "voting" not a bad idea at all. Have to think how to implement it.

Taxing my memory, there's a mega thread on this very subject. Also, consider asking the tech section, for the guys there are willing to help.

[bbit]

Collect a bounty before the debate starts. Hot topics will bring larger bounties.

The debaters must switch sides half way through the debate.

The bounty is divided in two.

The audience votes for the most convincing debater for each half of the debate. One debater may win both prizes, but it could also be split between them.

Good thinking. Could have it where the debate will only start when the bounty is reached giving it a sense of urgency and suspense.  

You thinking each debater switches sides on an issue? Strange but compelling lol....

Nevermind, you mean just to divy up the booty at each half. Got it! sorry, late night here.

[bbit]

You can include voting via Bitcoin. At the very end of the debate, the side with the most coins wins.

Actually, I was trying to figure out a good way to have "voting" not a bad idea at all. Have to think how to implement it.

Taxing my memory, there's a mega thread on this very subject. Also, consider asking the tech section, for the guys there are willing to help.

I should have said I have the site/technology of two people "facing" off down already but a voting system would be a nice touch.

Let me know of this so called mega thread also. 

[bbit]

You thinking each debater switches sides on an issue? Strange but compelling lol....

I think it will lead to more factual, interesting debates. If someone knows the issue, they should be able to sufficiently argue both sides. It might help with biases as well?

I do like it the further I think about it. It does take out the biases. The only problem I see is it gives the impression the person wasn't passionate about the topic to begin with meaning it was all "for show" or in this case Bitcoins.

[bbit]

You thinking each debater switches sides on an issue? Strange but compelling lol....

Nevermind, you mean just to divy up the booty at each half. Got it! sorry, late night here.

No, I actually think they should switch sides half way though. The half bounty is awarded to the best debater during the first half, then the other half of the bounty is awarded to the best debater during the second half!

Audience votes for each half. Votes aren't revealed until the entire debate is through.

Got it!    response up there ^^   

[bbit]

This is cool, I know nothing about flash and webcams stuff, but you know wachtwoord created http://cam4btc.com and I bet he could help or at least steer you in the right directions.

Thanks qweedo. I'll see if wachtwoord can give me some direction also. I currently have 3rd party application that seems to work for now. Wanted to gauge the communities interest. This has been one of my passions to do and figured why not see if there are others that like it. So far seems good  

[bbit]

If you want passion, watch two politicians debate. 

If you want the chance to actually learn something, take the passion out of the debate. Let's see who can make better use of the facts! 

True,true lol ... I guess the question do we want to learn something or hear what we already know? Hmmmm...... 

[bbit]

Let the bounties decide! 

The FREE MARKET at work again! agreed

[str4wm4n]

Let the empirical evidence decide!

[Lethn]

Debating for bitcoin?

*flexes fingers and prepares giant walls of text*

[franky1]

implimentation is easy.

the debaters submit a clean/empty public address of their own to display under their webcam. viewers would then donate to that address. and the blckchain.info API would show the total received each debater gets.(votes)
EG
to vote, show support for this debator: send funds to : <debators submitted clean wallet address>
0.1BTC if you agree 0.3BTC if you strongly agree 0.5BTC if that guy completely "pwnd" the other debater.
there is no limit to how many times you can vote.

with the debaters seeing a terms of use of "after the debate is over a 1% of income is to be donated to the service, and those that do not pay will be publicly shamed."
or
with the debaters seeing a terms of use of  "the debators pay in a small fee of X.xxBTC before the show to be allowed to broadcast."

then there is no worries of escrow or trust in the service. it is self managed

[bbit]

implimentation is easy.

the debaters submit a clean/empty public address of their own to display under their webcam. viewers would then donate to that address. and the blckchain.info API would show the total received each debater gets.(votes)
EG
to vote, show support for this debator: send funds to : <debators submitted clean wallet address>
0.1BTC if you agree 0.3BTC if you strongly agree 0.5BTC if that guy completely "pwnd" the other debater.
there is no limit to how many times you can vote.

with the debaters seeing a terms of use of "after the debate is over a 1% of income is to be donated to the service, and those that do not pay will be publicly shamed."
or
with the debaters seeing a terms of use of  "the debators pay in a small fee of X.xxBTC before the show to be allowed to broadcast."

then there is no worries of escrow or trust in the service. it is self managed

Basically, this is what I have already built. 

[allthingsluxury]

I'm sure it will make for some intense arguments. Build it and they will come

[thefiniteidea]

I think this is a great idea and would gladly be one of your first speakers in a debate regarding the Economics/Finance of Bitcoin!

Also, an easy solution may be to setup a Livestream account ($45/month)and have that stream embedded into your site, but acting as the server, while mixing two Skype calls (or 3 for the moderator) to the Livestream feed. DONE!

Also, all the Bitcoin address stuff you guys were talking about.

If you need help on this, let me know! I've got a Tricaster, a Livestream account, and I like the idea! Can make it happen in no time!

 

[bbit]

I think this is a great idea and would gladly be one of your first speakers in a debate regarding the Economics/Finance of Bitcoin!

Also, an easy solution may be to setup a Livestream account ($45/month)and have that stream embedded into your site, but acting as the server, while mixing two Skype calls (or 3 for the moderator) to the Livestream feed. DONE!

Also, all the Bitcoin address stuff you guys were talking about.

If you need help on this, let me know! I've got a Tricaster, a Livestream account, and I like the idea! Can make it happen in no time!

 

Hi TheInfiteidea! cool, yes Livestream is an option for sure I was using tokbox. So you have Tricaster and a Livestream account?  My goal wasn't make this to complicated just pure debating! So it would be cool
to have you as the first speaker in the debate and we can solicit another to debate you on Economics/finance of Bitcoin!

Just PM me we can figure this out. Thanks!

[bbit]

I'm sure it will make for some intense arguments. Build it and they will come

Agreed sir, agreed!

[Matthew N. Wright]

I think it will lead to more factual, interesting debates. If someone knows the issue, they should be able to sufficiently argue both sides. It might help with biases as well?

+1 In fact, this is common practice in debate classes and is a good idea all around.

Livestream is an option for sure I was using tokbox

I really like this idea (that's why I came in!) but I have the feeling that it will fail so long as video is a requirement. Bitcoiners are still, as a majority, horribly afraid of revealing their personalities and likenesses for fear of trolls and other things. Most of the people on this forum won't even give their real names. I think removing the video and allowing just "live arguments" by chat would suffice. It's less sexy, but bitcoiners (the ones who hold bitcoins) will be more likely to participate.

Just my two cents. I'll be happy to support it just the same as I love debate!

[thefiniteidea]

I think it will lead to more factual, interesting debates. If someone knows the issue, they should be able to sufficiently argue both sides. It might help with biases as well?

+1 In fact, this is common practice in debate classes and is a good idea all around.

Livestream is an option for sure I was using tokbox

I really like this idea (that's why I came in!) but I have the feeling that it will fail so long as video is a requirement. Bitcoiners are still, as a majority, horribly afraid of revealing their personalities and likenesses for fear of trolls and other things. Most of the people on this forum won't even give their real names. I think removing the video and allowing just "live arguments" by chat would suffice. It's less sexy, but bitcoiners (the ones who hold bitcoins) will be more likely to participate.

Just my two cents. I'll be happy to support it just the same as I love debate!

Wear a mask and change your voice! 

[Matthew N. Wright]

I think it will lead to more factual, interesting debates. If someone knows the issue, they should be able to sufficiently argue both sides. It might help with biases as well?

+1 In fact, this is common practice in debate classes and is a good idea all around.

Livestream is an option for sure I was using tokbox

I really like this idea (that's why I came in!) but I have the feeling that it will fail so long as video is a requirement. Bitcoiners are still, as a majority, horribly afraid of revealing their personalities and likenesses for fear of trolls and other things. Most of the people on this forum won't even give their real names. I think removing the video and allowing just "live arguments" by chat would suffice. It's less sexy, but bitcoiners (the ones who hold bitcoins) will be more likely to participate.

Just my two cents. I'll be happy to support it just the same as I love debate!

Wear a mask and change your voice! 

Haha. That's not a bad idea for a gimmick. "Strongbad, the negotiaTOR". Someone with his voice can debate things with excellent points like "Itza just really dumb Man!"

[bbit]

Working on it!  

Need some name suggestions for the site for right now just borrowing a subdomain.

I have like BitBrawl, BitDebate! don't know ...but will get a formal domain shortly for it. I'll throw up a landing page tomorrow.

Also, the first topic will be the pro's and con's of Bitcoin of course have to start off with that topic of course so if you are interested in debating leave a message below.  Be prepared to speak on both sides of it 15 minutes in length then you and your opponent will switch sides. There will be a voting system as suggested by Franky1 as the following:

0.1BTC if you agree 0.3BTC if you strongly agree 0.5BTC if that guy completely "pwnd" the other debater.

This will be one of many topics I'll offer everything from sports to the gun debate to whatever is the latest hot topic of the day!

edit: provide a clean bitcoin payment address also.

[gweedo]

First suggestion bitbrawl would be a cool name but I think something like coinonyourside.com (not registered) could work as well. Also maybe just take those amounts to .01, .03, .05 just given the current market value, remember this is voting. Or you could also have like a button voting system, but have the coins count much more so maybe voting by button is half a vote and the coins are equalled to whole votes. So if I vote .01 that would be one vote .03 that be 3 votes and on and on.

[bbit]

First suggestion bitbrawl would be a cool name but I think something like coinonyourside.com (not registered) could work as well. Also maybe just take those amounts to .01, .03, .05 just given the current market value, remember this is voting. Or you could also have like a button voting system, but have the coins count much more so maybe voting by button is half a vote and the coins are equalled to whole votes. So if I vote .01 that would be one vote .03 that be 3 votes and on and on.

BitBrawl was one that jumped out at me also.  Coinonyourside.com is pretty good also will take that into consideration.  Hmm good point smaller means more votes I'll adjust to those amounts to reflect more then one vote. I currently have a button voting system. I didn't want to make this to complicated and let everyone's bitcoins do the talking so to speak  .

[bbit]

Wear a mask and change your voice! 

Haha whatever get'r done!

[franky1]

Working on it!  

Need some name suggestions for the site for right now just borrowing a subdomain.

I have like BitBrawl, BitDebate! don't know ...but will get a formal domain shortly for it. I'll throw up a landing page tomorrow.

Also, the first topic will be the pro's and con's of Bitcoin of course have to start off with that topic of course so if you are interested in debating leave a message below.  Be prepared to speak on both sides of it 15 minutes in length then you and your opponent will switch sides. There will be a voting system as suggested by Franky1 as the following:

0.1BTC if you agree 0.3BTC if you strongly agree 0.5BTC if that guy completely "pwnd" the other debater.

This will be one of many topics I'll offer everything from sports to the gun debate to whatever is the latest hot topic of the day!

edit: provide a clean bitcoin payment address also.

bitbrawl sounds a good name

and the 0.01btc 0.03btc 0.05btc would work great, then if for instance there is 2BTC total at the end of the debate you know thats 200 votes (based on a 0.01 per vote) where obviously some have strongly agreed = 5 votes in one shot(button press).
good suggestion on reducing high vote prices lol (which i put forward )

so all you need to do is have the API to show total received and divide it by 0.01 to get vote totals (well blockchain.info's API gives u satoshis so it would be divide by 1million to give you how many 0.01's got submittted).

and at the end of the debate you will obviously need to have a 10minute 'pause for anticipation of final results'
maybe even with a simple javascript countdown to add to the anticipation (reason : the backend, just to get all vote submits 'confirmed' to avoid failed double spenders fixing votes).

overall it seems like a easy to use platform with minimal coding/maintenance from how its described. cant wait to see it in action

[bbit]

Working on it!  

Need some name suggestions for the site for right now just borrowing a subdomain.

I have like BitBrawl, BitDebate! don't know ...but will get a formal domain shortly for it. I'll throw up a landing page tomorrow.

Also, the first topic will be the pro's and con's of Bitcoin of course have to start off with that topic of course so if you are interested in debating leave a message below.  Be prepared to speak on both sides of it 15 minutes in length then you and your opponent will switch sides. There will be a voting system as suggested by Franky1 as the following:

0.1BTC if you agree 0.3BTC if you strongly agree 0.5BTC if that guy completely "pwnd" the other debater.

This will be one of many topics I'll offer everything from sports to the gun debate to whatever is the latest hot topic of the day!

edit: provide a clean bitcoin payment address also.

bitbrawl sounds a good name

and the 0.01btc 0.03btc 0.05btc would work great, then if for instance there is 2BTC total at the end of the debate you know thats 200 votes (based on a 0.01 per vote) where obviously some have strongly agreed = 5 votes in one shot(button press).
good suggestion on reducing high vote prices lol (which i put forward )

so all you need to do is have the API to show total received and divide it by 0.01 to get vote totals (well blockchain.info's API gives u satoshis so it would be divide by 1million to give you how many 0.01's got submittted).

and at the end of the debate you will obviously need to have a 10minute 'pause for anticipation' of final results (just to get all vote submits 'confirmed' to avoid double spenders fixing votes).

overall it seems like a easy to use platform with minimal coding/maintenance from how its described. cant wait to see it in action

Yes, going to do BitBrawl.   Yes, there is a real-time running count total so can tally up all votes after 10 minutes 'pause for anticipation' of final results!  10 minutes or so for all the confirmations  I try to make it pretty dead simple with any kind of coding/maintenace  ( its really just to be fun!) and obviously if people like it will build it out properly I think you'll enjoy it! I'll post the landing page here tomorrow morning maybe have 1st debate Friday night or Saturday night! wish me luck!  

Now that I think about it might be hard to round up some people to debate the issues haha .... I have a feeling we'll have a lot of people in masks!

[franky1]

Working on it!  

Need some name suggestions for the site for right now just borrowing a subdomain.

I have like BitBrawl, BitDebate! don't know ...but will get a formal domain shortly for it. I'll throw up a landing page tomorrow.

Also, the first topic will be the pro's and con's of Bitcoin of course have to start off with that topic of course so if you are interested in debating leave a message below.  Be prepared to speak on both sides of it 15 minutes in length then you and your opponent will switch sides. There will be a voting system as suggested by Franky1 as the following:

0.1BTC if you agree 0.3BTC if you strongly agree 0.5BTC if that guy completely "pwnd" the other debater.

This will be one of many topics I'll offer everything from sports to the gun debate to whatever is the latest hot topic of the day!

edit: provide a clean bitcoin payment address also.

bitbrawl sounds a good name

and the 0.01btc 0.03btc 0.05btc would work great, then if for instance there is 2BTC total at the end of the debate you know thats 200 votes (based on a 0.01 per vote) where obviously some have strongly agreed = 5 votes in one shot(button press).
good suggestion on reducing high vote prices lol (which i put forward )

so all you need to do is have the API to show total received and divide it by 0.01 to get vote totals (well blockchain.info's API gives u satoshis so it would be divide by 1million to give you how many 0.01's got submittted).

and at the end of the debate you will obviously need to have a 10minute 'pause for anticipation' of final results (just to get all vote submits 'confirmed' to avoid double spenders fixing votes).

overall it seems like a easy to use platform with minimal coding/maintenance from how its described. cant wait to see it in action

Yes, going to do BitBrawl.   Yes, there is a real-time running count total so can tally up all votes after 10 minutes 'pause for anticipation' of final results!  10 minutes or so for all the confirmations  I try to make it pretty dead simple with any kind of coding/maintenace  ( its really just to be fun!) and obviously if people like it will build it out properly I think you'll enjoy it! I'll post the landing page here tomorrow morning maybe have 1st debate Friday night or Saturday night! wish me luck!  

Now that I think about it might be hard to round up some people to debate the issues haha .... I have a feeling we'll have a lot of people in masks!

thinking about keeping it low mainantence/self reliant
on the "want to debate?" page you would have time slots and people just pledge what times they are available to be there... until it finds 2 matching categories and times. to then schedule a debate on the public listing of upcoming debates

Code:

USERNAME:[          ]
EMAIL/contact method:[                ]
TOPIC:[               ]
AVAILABILITY: time based on []asian  []UK     []US
monday: []morning  []early afternoon  []evening
tuesday: []morning  []early afternoon  []evening
wednesday: []morning  []early afternoon  []evening
thursday: []morning  []early afternoon  []evening
friday:[]morning  []early afternoon  []evening
saturday: []morning  []early afternoon  []evening
sunday:[]morning  []early afternoon  []evening

so if someone from a UK timezone was free in the evening and someone from US was available early afternoon. it would match them. (due to the time difference)

then all you have to do is contact both matched parties to agree on a set time both agree with.
maybe have the time selections more defined then the example i gave, such as by the hour. to keep maintenance/running the system to a minimal

and then add that match to the public listing schedule of upcoming events

[Matthew N. Wright]

To keep things prefessional, timely and better regulated, require a deposit from presenters that they get back if they win the debate, unless someone on their team who also makes a deposit can do a better job at making the point and followup arguments, in which case they get both deposits.

[bbit]

To keep things prefessional, timely and better regulated, require a deposit from presenters that they get back if they win the debate, unless someone on their team who also makes a deposit can do a better job at making the point and followup arguments, in which case they get both deposits.

Good thinking. Keeps everyone honest, professional and regulated good point.  At first, since I'm sure there will be hiccups to start , I'll probably keep to pure bitcoin votes to start and go from there.

[franky1]

good idea about the deposit upfront. (if later development required it)

but i was thinking this would be more useful if it was a fee to pledge their attendance only (to avoid no-show's) where they get it back just by turning up.

if i had to pay upfront and know not only voting profit, but my initial fee was on the line if i didnt win/was a crap speaker. my emotions would be heightened as id be even more concerned about losing. so professionalism would go out the window, as would temptations to even participate if there was a 50% chance id lose out.

id prefer a deposit redeemed purely to ensure successful attendance. and have the votes as the 'treat'. That way by debating valid points, and making valid argument rebuttals earns you more money then the other guy. without any risk of loss to cause an emotional outburst.

basically knowing if i sound like a knob, not many will vote for me. so it only requires the votes to keep emotions in-check.

[bbit]

good idea about the deposit upfront. (if later development required it)

but i was thinking this would be more useful if it was a fee to pledge their attendance only (to avoid no-show's) where they get it back just by turning up.

if i had to pay upfront and know not only voting profit, but my initial fee was on the line if i didnt win/was a crap speaker. my emotions would be heightened as id be even more concerned about losing. so professionalism would go out the window, as would temptations to even participate if there was a 50% chance id lose out.

id prefer a deposit redeemed purely to ensure successful attendance. and have the votes as the 'treat'. That way by debating valid points, and making valid argument rebuttals earns you more money then the other guy. without any risk of loss to cause an emotional outburst.

basically knowing if i sound like a knob, not many will vote for me. so it only requires the votes to keep emotions in-check.

Agreed with this. What I'll do is put a "deposit address" next to the date/time scheduler idea you thought of. This way we know they are serious about debating.  Also, more skin the game brings out the best in people ......OR the worst.....

[iCEBREAKER]

"You sir, are completely wrong and FOS."

"What?  Never!  I challenge you to a DeBit in a public forum."

"Very well, we shall settle the matter like gentlemen!"

"Good, prepare to lose your coins my friend."

*DeBit ensues*

[bbit]

"You sir, are completely wrong and FOS."

"What?  Never!  I challenge you to a DeBit in a public forum."

"Very well, we shall settle the matter like gentlemen!"

"Good, prepare to lose your coins my friend."

*DeBit ensues*

Basically, this ^^.  It's almost like a way to arbitrate issues and get a verdict on all the drama that goes on here in this here forums.

[LightRider]

Participant A assigned Bitcoin address A.

Participant B assigned Bitcoin address B.

Audience pays into either address as they deem fit.

Winner determined.

All bitcoin paid is combined, 1/3 goes to Winner, 1/6 goes to Loser, 1/10 goes to host/service, remainder is split among those audience members who paid to the winner's address equally or proportionately.

[Matthew N. Wright]

Participant A assigned Bitcoin address A.

Participant B assigned Bitcoin address B.

Audience pays into either address as they deem fit.

Winner determined.

All bitcoin paid is combined, 1/3 goes to Winner, 1/6 goes to Loser, 1/10 goes to host/service, remainder is split among those audience members who paid to the winner's address equally.

Not bad!

Why not have the debate topic manager choose which type of debate payment system they want to use at the time of listing the topic? it would give them more control and help the community as a whole decide which method is more popular as well

[Monster Tent]

Working on it!  

Need some name suggestions for the site for right now just borrowing a subdomain.

I have like BitBrawl, BitDebate! don't know ...but will get a formal domain shortly for it. I'll throw up a landing page tomorrow.

Also, the first topic will be the pro's and con's of Bitcoin of course have to start off with that topic of course so if you are interested in debating leave a message below.  Be prepared to speak on both sides of it 15 minutes in length then you and your opponent will switch sides. There will be a voting system as suggested by Franky1 as the following:

0.1BTC if you agree 0.3BTC if you strongly agree 0.5BTC if that guy completely "pwnd" the other debater.

This will be one of many topics I'll offer everything from sports to the gun debate to whatever is the latest hot topic of the day!

edit: provide a clean bitcoin payment address also.

bitbrawl sounds a good name

and the 0.01btc 0.03btc 0.05btc would work great, then if for instance there is 2BTC total at the end of the debate you know thats 200 votes (based on a 0.01 per vote) where obviously some have strongly agreed = 5 votes in one shot(button press).
good suggestion on reducing high vote prices lol (which i put forward )

so all you need to do is have the API to show total received and divide it by 0.01 to get vote totals (well blockchain.info's API gives u satoshis so it would be divide by 1million to give you how many 0.01's got submittted).

and at the end of the debate you will obviously need to have a 10minute 'pause for anticipation' of final results (just to get all vote submits 'confirmed' to avoid double spenders fixing votes).

overall it seems like a easy to use platform with minimal coding/maintenance from how its described. cant wait to see it in action

Yes, going to do BitBrawl.   Yes, there is a real-time running count total so can tally up all votes after 10 minutes 'pause for anticipation' of final results!  10 minutes or so for all the confirmations  I try to make it pretty dead simple with any kind of coding/maintenace  ( its really just to be fun!) and obviously if people like it will build it out properly I think you'll enjoy it! I'll post the landing page here tomorrow morning maybe have 1st debate Friday night or Saturday night! wish me luck!  

Now that I think about it might be hard to round up some people to debate the issues haha .... I have a feeling we'll have a lot of people in masks!

Eventually 2 naked women will debate something.

[gweedo]

Eventually 2 naked women will debate something.

Not going to lie that sounds like it could be fun

[LightRider]

http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/gabe-newell-claims-users-have-defeated-valve-created-content-and-thats-a-go Semi-related but interesting.

[Merralea]

I predict this site causing some wealth redistribution to the voluntary end of the spectrum... 
Sounds good to me.