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February 06, 2013, 06:03:25 AM
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Empires start and die like weekend house parties. After their done there is a mess that needs to be cleaned up.

Of course these cycles happen.
Your error is thinking that it's the fault of some elite.
And another thing you're wrong about is thinking this process can be stopped by removing said elite.

First of all you should realize that without big undertakings like empires there would have been a lot less scietific progress. We would still be in the bronze age if not for the knowledge centers that arose around big capitals in empires.
Without the kind of resources of empires there would have been very little science during the past millenia because almost everybody would have needed to do physical labour to get food. There would simply be no time to do science. Only the very rich could afford (both in time and in money) to learn to read, never mind get an education. And the knowledge humans gathered would be spread around different parts of the world.
And in any case, lots and lots of social inventions are based on research done for warfare.
The point is if there were no elite rulers then you would propably not be sitting behind a computer and talking about bitvoin on the internet.
You would propably be looking for a good opportunity to trade your goats for apples or something.

So we as a society value the elite because they are in the position to organize society into something bigger.
But as society grows more complex every time it is set up it invariably grows beyond the scope of the original plan.
We can try to compensate but at some point the system fails under its own weight. That is what history tells us.
One problem often seen (but this a symptom) is corruption. And i mean overall corruption, not just governmental.
People in general are becoming more decadent in their desires and in their actions.
Now that everyone has everything why do anything at all? What will motivate people now to work for the whole for most of their lifes?

We as a society, like all others before us, are on a road with a dead end.
That's a consequence of progress.
Maybe this time we can change it without crashing it. But then we need to address the right things and not get emotional and paranoia.
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February 06, 2013, 06:23:25 AM
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Here have a listen to facts then I hope you have a genuine thirst for it. If your wasting my time then there is no point in continuing this trolling your in process of.

Here start at 1:03:00 and listen for your self. Now that you are armed with the general plan on how to circumvent your own government you can apply that to all estates of our lives. Now after that has all been said, keep in mind that this is being applied globally. In other words these forms of "take overs" are being applied to all countries.

As a final and redundant note this is happening in banking right now.

Please if you are disagreeing just to troll me then fine. Well played but to actually believe that everything is fine is quite a more dangerous place to stand. IMO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc-j8bX12oA

Congratulation on building a society around the cult of money and power.
The privatization of the US police force is a natural (and predictable) outcome of capitalism.
If you want this changed you will need to address it through the democratic system.
If the democratic system is flawed you will need to go to the streets to show your disagreement.
That is how it works.
Getting all paranoia over these progressions is the wrong thing to do. The right thing to do is involve yourself with the politics because that is where these things are decided.
All these problems are made possible because people don't care ennough. And people don't care because they have it too good despite the problems.
Long live the american dream! Unfortunately it is an unrealistical one in the long run and it will fail from the inside out.
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February 06, 2013, 01:38:26 PM
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I hope you know that in the star trek universe there is no need for money as you can get anything you need?
Why would the banks help establishing that?

It's not about getting whatever you need.  That's just the sales pitch.  It's about getting rid of cash and replacing it with digital "credits" which are, of course, doled out by the banks.

http://betterthancash.org/about/our-members/

Aah, so you mean like star trek is actually advertisement for the banks with the aim to make us lose cash?
I don't think so.
There is very little talk about money or credit in star trek and when it is talked about it feels more like a socialist system.
Not sure that is the message the banks would like to spread.

why do you think banks dont want socialism? i mean you might be right, they might rationally calculate that socialism is so terrible that it isnt even in the interest of the oligarchs who rule over a socialist society to have a socialist system. But then again most people arnt familiar with the implications of the misesian economic calculation problem.

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February 06, 2013, 02:11:24 PM
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I hope you know that in the star trek universe there is no need for money as you can get anything you need?
Why would the banks help establishing that?

It's not about getting whatever you need.  That's just the sales pitch.  It's about getting rid of cash and replacing it with digital "credits" which are, of course, doled out by the banks.

http://betterthancash.org/about/our-members/

Aah, so you mean like star trek is actually advertisement for the banks with the aim to make us lose cash?
I don't think so.
There is very little talk about money or credit in star trek and when it is talked about it feels more like a socialist system.
Not sure that is the message the banks would like to spread.

why do you think banks dont want socialism?


Because socialism takes all the fun out of banking.

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i mean you might be right, they might rationally calculate that socialism is so terrible that it isnt even in the interest of the oligarchs who rule over a socialist society to have a socialist system. But then again most people arnt familiar with the implications of the misesian economic calculation problem.

Nah, dont fool yourself. Economic freedom is a relative thing in any sucesfull society.
Free markets work pretty well for a lot of stuff but for a society you also need security and that can be provided by centralization.

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