Attention! Scammer from this forum - demodemo - 82,03 euro

[janpowal305]

What happened:: Sent him five days ago cash for BTC and after that I don't get any response from him. He is everyday online, probably reading my messages but I don't get any answer or refound. In this situation there is nothing else I can think that he is a scammer. Beware of this guy.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=508655

Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1395057.msg14251552#msg14251552
Amount Scammed: 82,03 euro/0,21 BTC
Payment Method: Skrill for BTC
Proof of Payment: https://i.imgur.com/e6sVJba.jpg
PM/Chat Logs: https://i.imgur.com/FWONFYX.jpg
Additional Notes: https://localbitcoins.com/accounts/profile/Bisonxd/

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[bleachedno]

Why you did not use escrow  he is only jr.member hence his account is not worth that much anyway.

I would now try to get the money back from srkill (how did you fill up skrill by credit card) ? if yes try and chargeback your credit card or explain skrill the matter and if you are lucky enough they will reverse the payment

[janpowal305]

I've checked his feedback and there was a positive feedback in hist trust. But as I was new here I overlooked that this feedback was for buying, not selling.

I wasn't use any CC on it, there is only a transfer of founds. In that case can I get refound too?

[bitkilo]

As mentioned above try get a chargeback if possible with skrill and alway use escrow.

I don't see much talk about the deal, is that really all the PM's that were exchanged during the trade?
You should also show your responses to his 's and any others that you have sent him.

[mcb1221]

according to your payment proof you paid him via skrill (https://i.imgur.com/e6sVJba.jpg) which is chargeable and this will even cause his account to freeze and rest money in his account will also freeze.
Just go ahead and charge back. and don't even trade without escrow.

[janpowal305]

Anyone has any instruction how to request a chargeback? It will cost me any fee?

[erikalui]

Only if you loaded funds using a CC, you would be able to chargeback but as per your second post, you did not use a CC to load funds. If that's the case, there is no way to reverse the payment.

I have had a deal with demodemo before for a small amount $3.2 and he sent first. Without an escrow, any deal can be dangerous if users have a low rank and no trust ratings.

[SebastianJu]

Only if you loaded funds using a CC, you would be able to chargeback but as per your second post, you did not use a CC to load funds. If that's the case, there is no way to reverse the payment.

I have had a deal with demodemo before for a small amount $3.2 and he sent first. Without an escrow, any deal can be dangerous if users have a low rank and no trust ratings.

Do you say that skrill is safe for scammers? You can't claim a dispute or something and won't get your money back through skrill directly?

Only asking because it would be good to know when someone requests me escrowing skrill.

[bleachedno]

Only if you loaded funds using a CC, you would be able to chargeback but as per your second post, you did not use a CC to load funds. If that's the case, there is no way to reverse the payment.

I have had a deal with demodemo before for a small amount $3.2 and he sent first. Without an escrow, any deal can be dangerous if users have a low rank and no trust ratings.

Do you say that skrill is safe for scammers? You can't claim a dispute or something and won't get your money back through skrill directly?

Only asking because it would be good to know when someone requests me escrowing skrill.

Well there is a way to get the money back even if you did not use your CC, but i will not make this public here or scammers would use it.

And no there is no official way to open disputes like in paypal.

[SebastianJu]

Only if you loaded funds using a CC, you would be able to chargeback but as per your second post, you did not use a CC to load funds. If that's the case, there is no way to reverse the payment.

I have had a deal with demodemo before for a small amount $3.2 and he sent first. Without an escrow, any deal can be dangerous if users have a low rank and no trust ratings.

Do you say that skrill is safe for scammers? You can't claim a dispute or something and won't get your money back through skrill directly?

Only asking because it would be good to know when someone requests me escrowing skrill.

Well there is a way to get the money back even if you did not use your CC, but i will not make this public here or scammers would use it.

And no there is no official way to open disputes like in paypal.

If there is a way then I will see it as chargebackable. Well, it would be a risk anyway. A scammer could charge back by using his credit card for payment too.

You know if there are ways to charge back PM too? I was told a couple of times that PM can't be charged back so it's safe. I'm not so sure about that though.

[bleachedno]

Only if you loaded funds using a CC, you would be able to chargeback but as per your second post, you did not use a CC to load funds. If that's the case, there is no way to reverse the payment.

I have had a deal with demodemo before for a small amount $3.2 and he sent first. Without an escrow, any deal can be dangerous if users have a low rank and no trust ratings.

Do you say that skrill is safe for scammers? You can't claim a dispute or something and won't get your money back through skrill directly?

Only asking because it would be good to know when someone requests me escrowing skrill.

Well there is a way to get the money back even if you did not use your CC, but i will not make this public here or scammers would use it.

And no there is no official way to open disputes like in paypal.

If there is a way then I will see it as chargebackable. Well, it would be a risk anyway. A scammer could charge back by using his credit card for payment too.

You know if there are ways to charge back PM too? I was told a couple of times that PM can't be charged back so it's safe. I'm not so sure about that though.

No there is a way that is not need to make any chargeback

[SebastianJu]

No there is a way that is not need to make any chargeback

I don't understand fully. Do you mean "No, there is a way that doesn't need a chargeback?" So someone can get his PM back in his own account somehow? I mean Perfect Money.

[bleachedno]

No there is a way that is not need to make any chargeback

I don't understand fully. Do you mean "No, there is a way that doesn't need a chargeback?" So someone can get his PM back in his own account somehow? I mean Perfect Money.

I talk about skrill. i mean that you can get back your money if someone scammed you and you not need to make a chargeback or any other silly tricks.

[CryptoDatabase]

https://localbitcoins.com/ad/321182/cash-out-your-bitcoins-moneybookers-skrill

^^ Seems he uses localbitcoins, last active 2 D 17 H ago, looks like a sort of ponzi. Using your funds to buy BTC with possibly to pay you what is owed but just a random thought

[erikalui]

Only if you loaded funds using a CC, you would be able to chargeback but as per your second post, you did not use a CC to load funds. If that's the case, there is no way to reverse the payment.

I have had a deal with demodemo before for a small amount $3.2 and he sent first. Without an escrow, any deal can be dangerous if users have a low rank and no trust ratings.

Do you say that skrill is safe for scammers? You can't claim a dispute or something and won't get your money back through skrill directly?

Only asking because it would be good to know when someone requests me escrowing skrill.

Not exactly. If the funds are uploaded via a stolen CC/Debit card, it can be chargedback. In your case, you will act as an escrow and hence you will receive these skrill funds and send it to the other person who is the buyer. In that case, the funds cannot be chargedback as the skrill funds are not in your account and it is in the buyer's account and hence Skrill cancels the chargeback claim.


I hope this solves your query.

[SebastianJu]

Only if you loaded funds using a CC, you would be able to chargeback but as per your second post, you did not use a CC to load funds. If that's the case, there is no way to reverse the payment.

I have had a deal with demodemo before for a small amount $3.2 and he sent first. Without an escrow, any deal can be dangerous if users have a low rank and no trust ratings.

Do you say that skrill is safe for scammers? You can't claim a dispute or something and won't get your money back through skrill directly?

Only asking because it would be good to know when someone requests me escrowing skrill.

Not exactly. If the funds are uploaded via a stolen CC/Debit card, it can be chargedback. In your case, you will act as an escrow and hence you will receive these skrill funds and send it to the other person who is the buyer. In that case, the funds cannot be chargedback as the skrill funds are not in your account and it is in the buyer's account and hence Skrill cancels the chargeback claim.


I hope this solves your query.

Is there nothing like a negative balance like paypal has?

Anyway, I will not get into that situation since I would not use personal accounts for such purpose. I surely don't want to get included into some shady deal and I get questions from authorities afterwards.

Besides, I don't have such accounts anymore at all. I pay trusted users in bitcoin to pay for me when I need it.

[erikalui]

Only if you loaded funds using a CC, you would be able to chargeback but as per your second post, you did not use a CC to load funds. If that's the case, there is no way to reverse the payment.

I have had a deal with demodemo before for a small amount $3.2 and he sent first. Without an escrow, any deal can be dangerous if users have a low rank and no trust ratings.

Do you say that skrill is safe for scammers? You can't claim a dispute or something and won't get your money back through skrill directly?

Only asking because it would be good to know when someone requests me escrowing skrill.

Not exactly. If the funds are uploaded via a stolen CC/Debit card, it can be chargedback. In your case, you will act as an escrow and hence you will receive these skrill funds and send it to the other person who is the buyer. In that case, the funds cannot be chargedback as the skrill funds are not in your account and it is in the buyer's account and hence Skrill cancels the chargeback claim.


I hope this solves your query.

Is there nothing like a negative balance like paypal has?

Anyway, I will not get into that situation since I would not use personal accounts for such purpose. I surely don't want to get included into some shady deal and I get questions from authorities afterwards.

Besides, I don't have such accounts anymore at all. I pay trusted users in bitcoin to pay for me when I need it.

No. Skrill is better than PayPal in terms of chargebacks and the balance does not go negative.

[bleachedno]

Only if you loaded funds using a CC, you would be able to chargeback but as per your second post, you did not use a CC to load funds. If that's the case, there is no way to reverse the payment.

I have had a deal with demodemo before for a small amount $3.2 and he sent first. Without an escrow, any deal can be dangerous if users have a low rank and no trust ratings.

Do you say that skrill is safe for scammers? You can't claim a dispute or something and won't get your money back through skrill directly?

Only asking because it would be good to know when someone requests me escrowing skrill.

Not exactly. If the funds are uploaded via a stolen CC/Debit card, it can be chargedback. In your case, you will act as an escrow and hence you will receive these skrill funds and send it to the other person who is the buyer. In that case, the funds cannot be chargedback as the skrill funds are not in your account and it is in the buyer's account and hence Skrill cancels the chargeback claim.


I hope this solves your query.

Is there nothing like a negative balance like paypal has?

Anyway, I will not get into that situation since I would not use personal accounts for such purpose. I surely don't want to get included into some shady deal and I get questions from authorities afterwards.

Besides, I don't have such accounts anymore at all. I pay trusted users in bitcoin to pay for me when I need it.

No. Skrill is better than PayPal in terms of chargebacks and the balance does not go negative.

The balance not goes negative in the dashboard but if it can go negative.

and skrill is not better than paypal because it's very easy to get your money back and again il tell you there is NO chargeback needed