/btc is full of Hypocrites and Shills (Bitcoin Classic)

[Lauda]

That's what I'm talking about too, see your sig (which, presumably, pays, idk). Is /r/bitcoin also paying people to post?

How should I know that when I don't use reddit?

So yeah, this forum has more posts, but ~95% of the content is:
1. Insipid pay2post bullshit, most of it in embarrassingly broken/misspelled/mispunctuated English. I'm not a native speaker myself, but content like that shoo' makes bitcoin enthusiasts look like illiterate morons.

It can't really be avoided nor is it up to me.

2. Red vs. Blue bullshit: You suck/are a shill because you don't like what I like.

Blame the controversial forks for this.

r/btc is bad bad bad. I thought the joint was gonna be a refreshing alternative but it's maybe the worst of the bunch.

Nobody should use it as a 'source of news'.

[RealBitcoin]

2. Red vs. Blue bullshit: You suck/are a shill because you don't like what I like.

Blame the controversial forks for this.

Its funny because when i asked a guy here that he supports coin distribution, he avoided answering me, so I take that for a yes.

Bitcoin Classic would start implementing marxist BIPS in notime if they would get in charge, and would start redistributing coins as well.

[Slowturtleinc]

The rhetoric on both sides is a bit much and you can squash 15% of threads as fud a lot of the time. Sometimes its not clear where some one stands unless you know the situations talking points. Its hard for new people to grasp everything that is going on but the shill aspect is obvious for both sides.

[USB-S]

Well they think that they have the solution to move bitcoin forward, however they way that they try to promote their agenda is by spreading FUD. Like that's going to work somehow. It's a double edged sword and they might cut themselves with that strategy.

[Lauda]

Bitcoin Classic would start implementing marxist BIPS in notime if they would get in charge, and would start redistributing coins as well.

Initially it was promoted as Bitcoin Core with a 2 MB block size limit patch, and now they've started implementing some strange features (SPV mining). Obviously the advertising was misleading ad best.

Its hard for new people to grasp everything that is going on but the shill aspect is obvious for both sides.

Indeed; this is very obvious on the reddit page. It would not surprise me if some people got paid along the way to switch sides.

Well they think that they have the solution to move bitcoin forward, however they way that they try to promote their agenda is by spreading FUD.

Indeed. Garzik had a backroom meeting with the miners and they've declined support (IIRC) as Classic does not have a long term plan in addition to not having an adequate team of developers.

[ATguy]

Well they think that they have the solution to move bitcoin forward, however they way that they try to promote their agenda is by spreading FUD.

Indeed. Garzik had a backroom meeting with the miners and they've declined support (IIRC) as Classic does not have a long term plan in addition to not having an adequate team of developers.

Things changed, Bitcoin Classic has very ambitious roadmap to my opinion (even though part of the features are from other teams like Bitcoin Unlimited), but if they deliver their roadplan as promised, Bitcoin Classic can help progressing Bitcoin in the right direction.

If anybody not familiar with Bitcoin Classic roadmap and is interested to check it, here is the link:
https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/documentation/blob/master/roadmap/roadmap2016.md

[alani123]

Well they think that they have the solution to move bitcoin forward, however they way that they try to promote their agenda is by spreading FUD. Like that's going to work somehow. It's a double edged sword and they might cut themselves with that strategy.

I agree, the way things turned out lead many "fanatics" to communities that were supposed to be neutral. As a result places like /r/btc are now extremely one sided and favor a certain hard fork without any wilingfulness to make compromises. Behaviors like that only make bitcoin's image to the outside world worse and slow down progress. I wish that more people from /r/btc would work on proposals and be open to discussion instead of trying character assassination against Core supporters. 24/7

[Lauda]

Things changed, Bitcoin Classic has very ambitious roadmap to my opinion (even though part of the features are from other teams like Bitcoin Unlimited), but if they deliver their roadplan as promised, Bitcoin Classic can help progressing Bitcoin in the right direction.

No. This roadmap has nothing specific on it. Additionally, they don't have evidence that support that dynamic block size limit proposal right now. That could end terribly if not properly designed and tested.

I agree, the way things turned out lead many "fanatics" to communities that were supposed to be neutral. As a result places like /r/btc are now extremely one sided and favor a certain hard fork without any wilingfulness to make compromises. Behaviors like that only make bitcoin's image to the outside world worse and slow down progress. I wish that more people from /r/btc would work on proposals and be open to discussion instead of trying character assassination against Core supporters. 24/7

It is not just the unwillingness to make compromises. The main problem for which the subreddit is useless is that they're being constantly negative and constantly use ad hominem and whatnot to undermine several people (e.g. Core developers as you've mentioned). Usually, anyone who disagrees with their view will get bashed.

[Velkro]

Its never too good that few people have too much power. Just sayin.
Its dangerous for bitcoin even when this people thinking their action are good for bitcoin... they can be wrong 

[RealBitcoin]

Its never too good that few people have too much power. Just sayin.
Its dangerous for bitcoin even when this people thinking their action are good for bitcoin... they can be wrong 

I am usually paying more than 15.000 satoshi/ transaction and I have never once complained about the fees. I think they are fair, given how important bitcoin is for humanity.

But the classic supporters are constantly moaning about a 2500 satoshi fee, like 5 year old crybabies. No wonder nobody takes them seriously.

[alani123]

Now they want to erase /r/bitcoin entirely! fucking lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4djmlc/i_want_to_ask_the_redditcom_admins_to_erase/

This while their top post bashes someone for saying that bitcoin is not a democracy...

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4dh3b2/as_adam_back_is_about_to_show_up_in_prague_to/

Arcive of the sub now: https://archive.is/mD8YP

[RealBitcoin]

Now they want to erase /r/bitcoin entirely! fucking lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4djmlc/i_want_to_ask_the_redditcom_admins_to_erase/

This while their top atm post bashes someone for saying that bitcoin is not a democracy...

They are totalitarian scum, and they have the guts to call us totalitarian? It's just lunacy.

It's just pure maddness what goes on there. Bitcoin classic supporters must be mentally ill or something to not see through their leaders agenda, or they are consciously supporting it.


Note his username is: utopiawesome, they are totalitarian communists!

[alani123]

Now they want to erase /r/bitcoin entirely! fucking lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4djmlc/i_want_to_ask_the_redditcom_admins_to_erase/

This while their top atm post bashes someone for saying that bitcoin is not a democracy...

They are totalitarian scum, and they have the guts to call us totalitarian? It's just lunacy.

It's just pure maddness what goes on there. Bitcoin classic supporters must be mentally ill or something to not see through their leaders agenda, or they are consciously supporting it.


Note his username is: utopiawesome, they are nasty communists!

I think the OP is spot on by callyng them hypocrites, because that's what their behavior makes them to look like. The mob mentality many people that support classic seems make them follow whatever Gavin spews at them after saying that Core devs are evil and only he can save bitcoin adoption.

[RealBitcoin]

I think the OP is spot on by callyng them hypocrites, because that's what their behavior makes them to look like. The mob mentality many people that support classic seems make them follow whatever Gavin spews at them after saying that Core devs are evil and only he can save bitcoin adoption.

It's even worse than that, now it's evident that some people there are totalitarian communists, that use censorship and propaganda to move their agenda.

What is their next step? Calling for core users to be put in a gulag? I would not be surprised.

They are totalitarians, with anti-human, anti-liberty ideas, and certainly anti-free market.

I would avoid any contact with a classic supporter, their mad ideas are contagious.

[Lauda]

Now they want to erase /r/bitcoin entirely! fucking lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4djmlc/i_want_to_ask_the_redditcom_admins_to_erase/

I'm not surprised anymore as things there are out of control. Either they want to take down person X, company Y or do something ridiculous as that.

What is their next step? Calling for core users to be put in a gulag? I would not be surprised.
They are totalitarians, with anti-human, anti-liberty ideas, and certainly anti-free market.

The comment section has a lot of stuff that newcommers definitely need to avoid. Basically, this has become a group of people who are fixated with the idea that "Core/Blockstream" needs to go (seemingly, they are one and the same for the majority of them).

[UngratefulTony]

I think the OP is spot on by callyng them hypocrites, because that's what their behavior makes them to look like. The mob mentality many people that support classic seems make them follow whatever Gavin spews at them after saying that Core devs are evil and only he can save bitcoin adoption.

It's even worse than that, now it's evident that some people there are totalitarian communists, that use censorship and propaganda to move their agenda.

What is their next step? Calling for core users to be put in a gulag? I would not be surprised.

They are totalitarians, with anti-human, anti-liberty ideas, and certainly anti-free market.

I would avoid any contact with a classic supporter, their mad ideas are contagious.

Very well put. reddit.com/r/btc is basically like communism, bed bugs, and AIDS, all piled up in a fail sandwich.

I mean, miners setting their own blockspace production levels?!? It's so anti-market, it makes one's head spin.

Thankfully, we have the One True Implementation, and the selfless priesthood that shepherds it... They promise to guide us to a land of perpetual harvest, supplying the tools to make an uncensorable, decentralised, central bank settlement fantasy... a reality. Join me on this journey friends... will you?

[Kakmakr]

This all started when /Bitcoin on Reddit decided that XT promotion was prohibited, because they labelled it as a Alt coin and a competing fork to Bitcoin. The rules clearly stated that no Alt coin pumping, will be tolerated. In some XT supporters view XT was not correctly labelled and should not be seen as a Alt coin.

They then got angry and called it censorship and went out to create /Btc and another forum to create a platform, where they feel, nothing is censored. Nobody can stop them from doing that and people have the choice to join or to leave.

/Bitcoin still has the biggest Subscriber base and things continued like normal. So leave them to discuss what they want and let the people decide where they want to discuss in /Bitcoin. The division is not good for Bitcoin, but unfortunately things like this happens and we will just have to accept it and go on.   

[Steve_Tou]

I read a bit of it on reddit, within secs I closed my reddit browser tab and read other shts instead.

[RealBitcoin]

/Bitcoin still has the biggest Subscriber base and things continued like normal. So leave them to discuss what they want and let the people decide where they want to discuss in /Bitcoin. The division is not good for Bitcoin, but unfortunately things like this happens and we will just have to accept it and go on.   

But they are spreading bullshit, and are sabotaging bitcoin.

We need to expose them so that newbies dont get sucked into their cult.

[franky1]

Initially it was promoted as Bitcoin Core with a 2 MB block size limit patch, and now they've started implementing some strange features (SPV mining). Obviously the advertising was misleading ad best.

segwit AKA core AKA blockstream AKA PwC AKA corporations and banks initially was promoted as a malleability fix.
yet.
they added RBF.. at the same time as promoting segwit, thus fixing malleability (to make zero confirms trustworthy again) is again a futile thing to do again
meaning people can still mess with transactions before confirmation and no one should trust zero confirms even after segwit.

then they tweaked it to bloat up the transaction while not delivering more capacity, then they realised that the tweak could allow more capacity as a sideeffect,
but.. then they want to bloat up the transaction with payment codes rendering nodes unable to act as a transparent ledger that can account for funds because the funds are hidden.
then reinvent the node as being a lite no witness pruned edition so that there is even less chance of being a full node..

core is as bad as classic.. do not blindly trust any corporate controlled dev team. and trust me that $55mill of blockstreams is not just being used by a couple people who have no control of the code.. atleast think logically,