Bitcoin Forum
October 20, 2018, 05:37:59 AM *
News: Make sure you are not using versions of Bitcoin Core other than 0.17.0 [Torrent], 0.16.3, 0.15.2, or 0.14.3. More info.
 
   Home   Help Search Donate Login Register  
Pages: « 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 »
  Print  
Author Topic: Christianity is Poison  (Read 51676 times)
mprep
Diamond Member
Global Moderator
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2030
Merit: 1216


In a world of peaches, don't ask for apple sauce


View Profile WWW
March 31, 2016, 05:16:08 PM
 #81

A.K.A. "I put something out without any evidence, got it debunked with evidence and now am too lazy to actually discuss with someone who can actually take the heat"

Also, title:

Quote
Christianity is Poison

The title was a response to the "Atheism is Poison" thread which had been constantly bumped as the top thread for over a month...  If you read the OP you would know this...

It's comparable to christians putting up a 10-commandment statue, and refusing to take it down... until some atheist comes along and puts up a statue of Baphomet right next to it... suddenly christians are ready to take both of them down... funny how hypocrisy works, eh?



As I explained... if you have something in specific you would like to debate, I'm all for that...

Nothing you have said has debunked any of my claims... in fact, you provided zero evidence to support any of your own claims... you simply said I was wrong; that's not debunking...

If you would like to debate a specific claim... let me know which one you most object to, and I will provide supporting evidence...

If you are just here to troll, which appears to be the case... why?
If your God was upset with me trolling His religion... pray that He kills me with a giant lightning bolt or something... because that'll never happen

The title was a response to the "Atheism is Poison" thread which had been constantly bumped as the top thread for over a month...  If you read the OP you would know this...
And as I mentioned in the post of mine you just quoted ("Also, the guy you were annoyed with changed the name of the topic BTW."), the OP changed the title to "Atheism and Health", as apparently his intent wasn't to attack Atheists.



It's comparable to christians putting up a 10-commandment statue, and refusing to take it down... until some atheist comes along and puts up a statue of Baphomet right next to it... suddenly christians are ready to take both of them down... funny how hypocrisy works, eh?
I don't have any experience of such statues being put up on public space, so can't really comment on that except it seems to have been done by fundamental Christians which I don't really agree with on a lot of situations.



As I explained... if you have something in specific you would like to debate, I'm all for that...
And as did I: I wanted to specifically debate on every topic brought up by you in your posts that I refuted in mine. If you don't want to debate on multiple topics, don't put out multiple claims.



Nothing you have said has debunked any of my claims... in fact, you provided zero evidence to support any of your own claims... you simply said I was wrong; that's not debunking...
Sigh, OK, let me go through it yet again (I'll ignore my answers which are open to theological and/or philosophical discussion as you can't really prove those by definition):

Evidence-less claims:

Quote
Quote from: Moloch
Do you really want to compare the 2000 year history of christianity murdering half the world...
Source? I do agree that Catholic church has done quite a few horrible things during the Middle Ages, however your claim seems rather bold with no evidence to back it up.

Quote
Quote from: Moloch
This is a common misconception...

We have already established that do not steal/murder are based in atheism/philosophy, rather than christianity...

I propose that all morals are based in such things... christians also did not invent the concept of the golden rule, "treat your neighbor as yourself", etc...
Provide solid evidence otherwise your claim is rather pointless.

Quote
Quote from: Moloch
The only influences that christianity has had on society are negative... all of them... there is evidence to back up this claim
[X]All previous arguments in my post ignored
[X]Bold statement with no evidence

Quote
Quote from: Moloch
Christianity has also preached that slavery is lawful and not a bad thing... in both the old and new testament, so don't get all, "but the new testament doesn't say that" on me...
[X]Bold statement with no evidence
[X]Previous arguments dismissed

Counter-arguments provided to source-less claims:

Quote
Quote from: Moloch
...with the 1,000,000 year history of atheists making advances in science, medicine, philosophy, morality, etc, etc, etc?!?
You do understand that quite a few scientists were or are Christians - Blaise Pascal (Pascal's law (physics), Pascal's theorem (math)) and Isaac Newton (Physicist, discoverer of gravity) to name a few. Also, some of these scientists (namely Theodosius Dobzhansky) criticized creationsim and argued that science and faith does not conflict (which is a stance I can firmly stand behind).

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology

Quote
Quote from: Moloch
I'm sorry you don't understand history... or much of anything...

The Dark ages had a single cause... Christianity... Christians attacked anything that was non-christian for 300 years!  Don't pretend it didn't happen!
I'd have to disagree. Although the Catholic church did a lot of heinous things during the Dark Ages, which did harm the spread of knowledge, I think the much bigger reason was the fall of the Roman Empire:

Quote
It emphasizes the demographic, cultural and economic deterioration that supposedly occurred in Western Europe following the decline of the Roman Empire
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_%28historiography%29

The main issue in terms of knowledge is the fact that after the fall of the Roman empire, quite a lot of research and literature was lost, setting back science rather far back. The first answer by Humphrey Clarke, MA in Modern History - University of St Andrews in this: https://www.quora.com/Did-Christianity-cause-the-Dark-Ages  gives quite an interesting analysis. I suggest reading through as it goes through several possible arguments such as the Catholic church not accepting science.

The conclusion is rather relevant to the discussion as well:

Quote
To conclude then, the two Christianity guilt theories suffer from a lack of evidence. They persist purely due to their illustrious pedigree and the fact that people insist on making the past fit into a modern framework.



If you are just here to troll, which appears to be the case... why?
Just because I disagree and provide counterclaims to yours, doesn't mean I'm trolling. That's a discussion.



If your God was upset with me trolling His religion... pray that He kills me with a giant lightning bolt or something... because that'll never happen
Your only view of religion seems to be in regards to, as I mentioned, "zealously religious fundamentalist nuts" who interpret the everything in the bible literally, force others to follow their religion, attempt to restrict freedom of speech, etc.. You seem to ignore the fact that there actually are rational/moderate religious people, who defend the right to freedom of speech, analyze and discuss on possible interpretations of  whatever religious document they have, discuss with the critics of religion rather than silence them and whose faith doesn't clash with science. An example would be my view as previously stated in one of the posts in this thread:

Quote from: mprep
In fact, I'd say the the current definition of religion would be the search for who created the system we are living in. I think the best way to describe it would be comparing it to computer software: imagine an extremely complex computer simulation, with it's rules and parameters, running constantly with the objects (with a crap ton of variables, methods and other OOP features implemented) inside acting independently (but predictably due the fact that author of the program knows what code he wrote and how it performs) based on their variables and the surrounding objects. The self-aware objects inside decide analyze the system and due to being withing that system and unable to detect anything outside it, deducted that since they can't detect anything within the system that there is no creator outside it. Seems familiar?

1540013879
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1540013879

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1540013879
Reply with quote  #2

1540013879
Report to moderator
1540013879
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1540013879

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1540013879
Reply with quote  #2

1540013879
Report to moderator
1540013879
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1540013879

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1540013879
Reply with quote  #2

1540013879
Report to moderator
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
1540013879
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1540013879

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1540013879
Reply with quote  #2

1540013879
Report to moderator
Moloch
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 784
Merit: 640



View Profile
March 31, 2016, 05:17:49 PM
 #82

tl;dr

What part of tl;dr do you not understand?

If you limit your post to 1-2 paragraphs, I will read it... if you want to argue about 10 things at once, I will not...

You cannot possibly have a serious debate that is spread among so many different topics... it's turns the whole thread into a bunch of back and forth trolling/spam...


Since you cannot follow simple instructions, here is a video of christians saying stupid shit (evidence to support my claim that christianity is poison to your mind)

More Stupid Christians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZznlL7uG18
BADecker
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1820
Merit: 1078


View Profile
March 31, 2016, 05:21:31 PM
 #83

Empathetic one....nowadays our technology as well as education system is developed well. But it is not reflecting in our thoughts. My opinion is all are humans only. Try to change our view of life. Love each other and don't measure them based on their religion.

Our technology and education system may be well developed. It is not reflecting our thoughts because of our greed. Our greed acts like a religion. So, religion and the like are at the core of the problems, not technology and the education system.

Measure everyone based on his religion so that you know what to watch out for.

Cool
mprep
Diamond Member
Global Moderator
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2030
Merit: 1216


In a world of peaches, don't ask for apple sauce


View Profile WWW
March 31, 2016, 05:34:46 PM
 #84

tl;dr

What part of tl;dr do you not understand?
The part where a civilized human being, who happens to pride himself on following science, can't seem to read through a post that is 2 times shorter in word count (original, not content written by you, or stated in previous posts of similiar length) than a short high-school essay in a discussion, where scientific proof is required to present a credible statement. Anyway, here's a few fun facts:

  • Scientific journals (meant for getting the full picture of a scientific or historical discovery, with it's nuances and possible errors) are from "3,000 to 10,000 words in length". Source: http://www.informationr.net/ir/14-1/paper391.html
  • Picking ideas up and using them at face value without any research is what fundamentalist Christians (as well as fundamentalists from other religions) do
  • Discussing without providing at least credible sources makes your claims untrustworthy
  • Ignoring the opposition's arguments in a discussion for being "too long" while praising science (full of nuance,small errors that do matter and countless reading hours of discussion on a single discovery) makes you look uneducated, pretentious, hypocritical and rather thick.

Need a tl;dr for this as well, bud?  Roll Eyes

Moloch
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 784
Merit: 640



View Profile
March 31, 2016, 06:02:45 PM
 #85

...Scientific journals (meant for getting the full picture of a scientific or historical discovery, with it's nuances and possible errors) are from "3,000 to 10,000 words in length"...

And with all this trolling, you still refuse to pick a topic for debate...

As for scientific journals... I have no problem with a 10,000 word paper, so long as it sticks to a single topic... which they do... it often takes a lot of words to debate a single topic...

The problem is you jump all over the place, accusing me of this or that... if I don't respond to everything, you accuse me of cherry-picking... but, I cannot possibly fully refute a 3-page post, providing supporting evidence for every claim, without making my own 100-page-long post!

This is the situation I am avoiding... if you want to debate a single topic at a time, PICK A FUCKING TOPIC TO DEBATE WITH ME!



-------------------------------------------------------



If you want me to pick, how about slavery in the bible?

Christianity has also preached that slavery is lawful and not a bad thing... in both the old and new testament, so don't get all, "but the new testament doesn't say that" on me...
[X]Bold statement with no evidence
[X]Previous arguments dismissed

You say I did not provide evidence for this claim, but I did... I said christianity had preached it... the bible supports slavery in at least a dozen places... do you need me to quote the exact verses for you, or are you capable of using google?

Here's the link again since you must have missed it (evidence you claim I didn't provide)

Slavery:
Quote from: Leviticus 25:44-46
As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.

Quote from: Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his property.

More slavery in the bible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery
BADecker
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1820
Merit: 1078


View Profile
March 31, 2016, 06:32:39 PM
 #86

...Scientific journals (meant for getting the full picture of a scientific or historical discovery, with it's nuances and possible errors) are from "3,000 to 10,000 words in length"...

And with all this trolling, you still refuse to pick a topic for debate...

As for scientific journals... I have no problem with a 10,000 word paper, so long as it sticks to a single topic... which they do... it often takes a lot of words to debate a single topic...

The problem is you jump all over the place, accusing me of this or that... if I don't respond to everything, you accuse me of cherry-picking... but, I cannot possibly fully refute a 3-page post, providing supporting evidence for every claim, without making my own 100-page-long post!

This is the situation I am avoiding... if you want to debate a single topic at a time, PICK A FUCKING TOPIC TO DEBATE WITH ME!



-------------------------------------------------------



If you want me to pick, how about slavery in the bible?

Christianity has also preached that slavery is lawful and not a bad thing... in both the old and new testament, so don't get all, "but the new testament doesn't say that" on me...
[X]Bold statement with no evidence
[X]Previous arguments dismissed

You say I did not provide evidence for this claim, but I did... I said christianity had preached it... the bible supports slavery in at least a dozen places... do you need me to quote the exact verses for you, or are you capable of using google?

Here's the link again since you must have missed it (evidence you claim I didn't provide)

Slavery:
Quote from: Leviticus 25:44-46
As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.

Quote from: Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his property.

More slavery in the bible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery

Bible slavery is God causing the stubbornness of mankind to limit slavery that was and would have been violently more disastrous for the slaves if it were not for Bible limitations on slavery.

Cool
Moloch
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 784
Merit: 640



View Profile
March 31, 2016, 06:36:32 PM
 #87

Bible slavery is God causing the stubbornness of mankind to limit slavery that was and would have been violently more disastrous for the slaves if it were not for Bible limitations on slavery.

Objection - Assumes facts not in evidence
Objection - Lack of foundation
Objection - Improper characterization of evidence
Objection - Calls for speculation
Objection - Leading the witness
BADecker
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1820
Merit: 1078


View Profile
March 31, 2016, 06:38:14 PM
 #88

Slaves come from approximately two places:
1. Free people enslaving themselves to others for economic reasons;
2. People conquering other people and making slaves of them.

God forbids the stealing of people, in the Bible.

God regulates how slavery must work. Why? Because the stubbornness of mankind will always make slaves. God had a choice. Either destroy mankind, or regulate the slavery to a "dull roar." God didn't and doesn't want to destroy mankind. So he works with man's slavery-making-mode to make it better for both the slaves and their masters.

Cool
Moloch
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 784
Merit: 640



View Profile
March 31, 2016, 06:51:12 PM
 #89

Slaves come from approximately two places:
1. Free people enslaving themselves to others for economic reasons;
2. People conquering other people and making slaves of them.

God forbids the stealing of people, in the Bible.

God regulates how slavery must work. Why? Because the stubbornness of mankind will always make slaves. God had a choice. Either destroy mankind, or regulate the slavery to a "dull roar." God didn't and doesn't want to destroy mankind. So he works with man's slavery-making-mode to make it better for both the slaves and their masters.

If God were truly a moral god... he would have said something like, "Slavery is bad, mkay?  If you could stop owning another human as property, that would be swell"

But, that's not what God said in the bible... God said slavery is good and moral... Every good Jew/christian should own a few slaves... God said it was kosher

It is also not a one-off... God condones slavery at least a dozen times in the bible (both OT & NT)
BADecker
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1820
Merit: 1078


View Profile
March 31, 2016, 07:05:30 PM
 #90

Slaves come from approximately two places:
1. Free people enslaving themselves to others for economic reasons;
2. People conquering other people and making slaves of them.

God forbids the stealing of people, in the Bible.

God regulates how slavery must work. Why? Because the stubbornness of mankind will always make slaves. God had a choice. Either destroy mankind, or regulate the slavery to a "dull roar." God didn't and doesn't want to destroy mankind. So he works with man's slavery-making-mode to make it better for both the slaves and their masters.

If God were truly a moral god... he would have said something like, "Slavery is bad, mkay?  If you could stop owning another human as property, that would be swell"

But, that's not what God said in the bible... God said slavery is good and moral... Every good Jew/christian should own a few slaves... God said it was kosher

It is also not a one-off... God condones slavery at least a dozen times in the bible (both OT & NT)

Except that you are wrong. Slavery is good for the destitute person. And it is very good when he finds a master who is good to him.

Slavery is outlawed in most of what is known as the free world. Such outlawing hasn't reduced slavery. All it has done is turned the slaves over to government. For example, if you follow the legal definition of "tax" through to its end, you will find that tax is fraud. Fraud takes things from the people who are defrauded. The income tax is a form of limited slavery.

Cool
Moloch
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 784
Merit: 640



View Profile
March 31, 2016, 07:08:16 PM
 #91

Except that you are wrong. Slavery is good...

Only a christian could convince himself that slavery is good...

Slavery is immoral, every time... EVERY time... there is no situation where slavery is good.  Period.  Full-Stop.  End of moral lesson
BADecker
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1820
Merit: 1078


View Profile
March 31, 2016, 07:12:07 PM
 #92

Except that you are wrong. Slavery is good...

Only a christian could convince himself that slavery is good...

Slavery is immoral, every time... EVERY time... there is no situation where slavery is good.  Period.  End of moral lesson.

Only a deceptive person who doesn't have an answer would take someone's writings out of context and turn them into something that he did not say. Because of this, it turns out that you are more immoral than slavery might be.

As I said above - though not entirely directly - government has made slaves of us all through taxation.

Cool
Moloch
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 784
Merit: 640



View Profile
March 31, 2016, 07:13:58 PM
 #93

Except that you are wrong. Slavery is good...

Only a christian could convince himself that slavery is good...

Slavery is immoral, every time... EVERY time... there is no situation where slavery is good.  Period.  End of moral lesson.

Only a deceptive person who doesn't have an answer would take someone's writings out of context and turn them into something that he did not say. Because of this, it turns out that you are more immoral than slavery might be.

As I said above - though not entirely directly - government has made slaves of us all through taxation.

What?  I am "more immoral than slavery" because I quote from the bible?

Does that make sense to anyone who isn't christian?

You are now accusing me of taking it out of context and that the bible doesn't condone slavery?!?

Prove it!  Find me a single quote from the bible which condemns slavery instead of condoning it!

The bible condones slavery in over a dozen places, and condemns slavery in exactly zero places!

Never does the bible say owning slaves is bad or immoral... not once!
BADecker
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1820
Merit: 1078


View Profile
March 31, 2016, 07:17:31 PM
 #94

Except that you are wrong. Slavery is good...

Only a christian could convince himself that slavery is good...

Slavery is immoral, every time... EVERY time... there is no situation where slavery is good.  Period.  End of moral lesson.

Only a deceptive person who doesn't have an answer would take someone's writings out of context and turn them into something that he did not say. Because of this, it turns out that you are more immoral than slavery might be.

As I said above - though not entirely directly - government has made slaves of us all through taxation.

What?  I am "more immoral than slavery" because I quote from the bible?
No. Because you use deception, as I said, and as you are trying to deceive people away from right in your post I am quoting.


Does that make sense to anyone who isn't christian?

Your deception attempts don't make sense to anyone who is really interested. Why not? Because he/she can go back and check the record to see how deceptive you are.

Cool
Moloch
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 784
Merit: 640



View Profile
March 31, 2016, 07:23:57 PM
 #95

...



mprep
Diamond Member
Global Moderator
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2030
Merit: 1216


In a world of peaches, don't ask for apple sauce


View Profile WWW
March 31, 2016, 07:45:38 PM
 #96

...Scientific journals (meant for getting the full picture of a scientific or historical discovery, with it's nuances and possible errors) are from "3,000 to 10,000 words in length"...

And with all this trolling, you still refuse to pick a topic for debate...

As for scientific journals... I have no problem with a 10,000 word paper, so long as it sticks to a single topic... which they do... it often takes a lot of words to debate a single topic...

The problem is you jump all over the place, accusing me of this or that... if I don't respond to everything, you accuse me of cherry-picking... but, I cannot possibly fully refute a 3-page post, providing supporting evidence for every claim, without making my own 100-page-long post!

This is the situation I am avoiding... if you want to debate a single topic at a time, PICK A FUCKING TOPIC TO DEBATE WITH ME!



-------------------------------------------------------



If you want me to pick, how about slavery in the bible?

Christianity has also preached that slavery is lawful and not a bad thing... in both the old and new testament, so don't get all, "but the new testament doesn't say that" on me...
[X]Bold statement with no evidence
[X]Previous arguments dismissed

You say I did not provide evidence for this claim, but I did... I said christianity had preached it... the bible supports slavery in at least a dozen places... do you need me to quote the exact verses for you, or are you capable of using google?

Here's the link again since you must have missed it (evidence you claim I didn't provide)

Slavery:
Quote from: Leviticus 25:44-46
As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.

Quote from: Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his property.

More slavery in the bible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery

Quote
And with all this trolling, you still refuse to pick a topic for debate...
Quote from: mprep
And as did I: I wanted to specifically debate on every topic brought up by you in your posts that I refuted in mine. If you don't want to debate on multiple topics, don't put out multiple claims.



Quote
As for scientific journals... I have no problem with a 10,000 word paper, so long as it sticks to a single topic... which they do... it often takes a lot of words to debate a single topic...
The topic is whether Christianity is bad ("poison") or not and why? There's plenty of sub-topics you opened up in regards to the central topic by making claims.



Quote
The problem is you jump all over the place, accusing me of this or that...
I provide counter arguments to your arguments about "Christianity being bad". That's not jumping all over the place, that's the format of the discussion: refuting of claims made by the opposing side.



Quote
if I don't respond to everything, you accuse me of cherry-picking...
Because you only pick out my arguments which you feel you can completely defeat and not even mentioned any other arguments to your claims. I think this sums this up:

Quote
It is a kind of fallacy of selective attention<...>
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking



Quote
but, I cannot possibly fully refute a 3-page post, providing supporting evidence for every claim, without making my own 100-page-long post!
If you need 100 pages, then do so. Weren't you the one going on about science, you know, that constantly has these massive discussions of evidence and credibility of such to actually reach the truth?



Quote
This is the situation I am avoiding... if you want to debate a single topic at a time, PICK A FUCKING TOPIC TO DEBATE WITH ME!
As I mentioned: "Is Christianity bad or not?" (as in what the title hints at), where there is plenty of arguments to be made and plenty of them to be countered.



Quote
If you want me to pick, how about slavery in the bible?
You mean the Christian bible (The New Testament)? Because it does overwrite the Old Testament as it was meant as a prophecy (referred to as "gospel") for the coming of Jesus Christ.



Quote
Christianity has also preached that slavery is lawful and not a bad thing... in both the old and new testament, so don't get all, "but the new testament doesn't say that" on me...
[X]Bold statement with no evidence
[X]Previous arguments dismissed

You say I did not provide evidence for this claim, but I did... I said christianity had preached it... the bible supports slavery in at least a dozen places... do you need me to quote the exact verses for you, or are you capable of using google?

Here's the link again since you must have missed it (evidence you claim I didn't provide)

Slavery:
Quote from: Leviticus 25:44-46
As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.

Quote from: Exodus 21:20-21
When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his property.

More slavery in the bible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery
See this for my answer to your "evidence":
Leviticus, Exodus and Deuteronomy are all part of the Old Testament (also often referred to as the Hebrew Bible), which is overwritten by the New Testament in many branches (and/or sects) of Christianity. The Old Testament was meant as a holy book for the time (not for eternity) and became obsolete in many situations. Also, in terms of cherry-picking, that's why different branches and sects of both Christianity and other religions exist - there's constant debate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology) on what is accepted and what is not, especially as time progresses and our culture changes.

Sources (in terms of what I based the arguments upon):
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/15/do-we-have-to-obey-the-laws-of-the-bible-if-so-what-laws/506#506
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/3733/does-the-new-testament-override-the-old-testament
<...>

What you haven't proven is this (I'll bold and underline your statement I'm concerned with):

Quote
Christianity has also preached that slavery is lawful and not a bad thing... in both the old and new testament

Since, I'm rather bored to wait, I'll get the Wikipedia mention on the New Testament out of the way. It is said in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery:

Quote
In several Pauline epistles, and the First Epistle of Peter, slaves are admonished to obey their masters, "as to the Lord, and not to men". However, masters were told to serve their slaves "in the same way" and "even better" as "brothers", to not threaten them as God is their Master as well.

First of all, I've looked at the passages that refer to this:

Quote
In several Pauline epistles, and the First Epistle of Peter, slaves are admonished to obey their masters, "as to the Lord, and not to men"
And all the passages linked, the translation in several English versions seems to use the word "servant" rather than "slave", which could be both interpreted as lost in translation (beneficial to your side) and as to cover (regulate, not approve of ) slavery back in the day of Christ (which was a common practice at the time) as well as the current voluntary employment. There is however no positive (a.k.a. reinforcing) mention of the act of enslavement. From what I can logically deduct, said writings were meant to address the status quo, rather than encourage the act of slavery (taking new slaves). This view is also reinforced taking in consideration the following part of the quote:

Quote
However, masters were told to serve their slaves "in the same way" and "even better" as "brothers", to not threaten them as God is their Master as well.

Then again you decided to pick a target that is easy for you to "tear up", while in reality it is up for speculation and thus open to quite a lot of theological discussion (of which I now participated in). Guess the historical reasoning (in regards to your claim about Christianity being the sole cause of the Dark ages (my counterclaim: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1412734.msg14354149#msg14354149)) or actually providing proof to your other unsubstantiated claims (that I pointed out, twice: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1412734.msg14365514#msg14365514 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1412734.msg14378127#msg14378127) is a bit too difficult. Still better something than the "tl;dr" bullshit you've been putting out.

P.S. I'll quote a saying (that will address your concern regarding "too many topics" (actually counter arguments of the arguments you made yourself) and "too long posts" (actually required to refute all the unsubstantiated claims you've made)) attributed to Harry S. Truman: "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen".

Moloch
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 784
Merit: 640



View Profile
March 31, 2016, 07:52:21 PM
 #97

tl;dr

I hope you realize nobody reads tl;dr posts...

Troll me all you want with them, nobody will ever read it...

I'll answer anyone who is remotely civil and can keep it concise... How many times have I replied to BADecker?  And he's a moron...








BADecker
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1820
Merit: 1078


View Profile
March 31, 2016, 08:17:08 PM
 #98



The real point isn't slavery. If a slave had not been a slave, in some cases his life would have been longer, and in other cases it would have been shorter. But both slave and master die in this life. And the time of life is reasonably short, being usually less than 100 years.

The point is the hereafter. Let both the slave and master find the truth of God, so that they both can live in the hereafter in joy and glory with God forever... rather than in everlasting destruction... "where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched."

If you don't consider that the resurrection is possible, realize that there is no way that this life is possible, either. Not by anything we yet understand. Except that it is here. Even so, the impossible resurrection is a certainty as well.

Cool
spazzdla
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1554
Merit: 1000


View Profile
March 31, 2016, 08:27:42 PM
 #99

Religion is pure evil.
BADecker
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1820
Merit: 1078


View Profile
March 31, 2016, 08:30:27 PM
 #100

Religion is pure evil.

True. But what does that say about all the people? All people are religious in one way or another.

Cool
Pages: « 1 2 3 4 [5] 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 »
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!