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April 20, 2017, 11:19:02 PM
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Christianity:
- Study God's Law so that you can be a better person, and so that life will work out better for you;
- Study God's Gospel so that you can go to Heaven to live in Joy with God, and your family who have gone there ahead of you.

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So basically the reason you believe in this nonsense is because you don't want to die.

I would enjoy answering your question. But I can't. Why can't I? Your question doesn't refer to anything. Can't answer a nonsensical question.

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It was not a question.  It was a statement.  You believe in the Bible mumbo jumbo because you hope to live after you die.

That is retarded.  When you die, you fucking die.  There will be no hell, heaven or whatever else you dream up.  You decompose.
Game over.


Wow! You call the Bible mumbo jumbo, yet you can go out and read it in many languages so that you can see for yourself that it is logical. Yet you believe science theories that have a lot of mathematical mumbo jumbo, just because some science joker tells you that it is the truth.

You are about as impractical and illogical as they come.

The Bible is the best record of reality that we have.


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Bible tells you to kill gays and people who work on Sabbath.  Why don't you do what your God tells you to do?

Best record my ass.  It is a collection of Bronze Age stories, with some Stone Age moral code thrown in.
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April 20, 2017, 11:35:25 PM
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You do not confuse? I was the first time I hear from you that the Bible says that the need to kill gays. And about Saturday haven't heard anything. Christians have a day off on Sundays. A Saturday off from the Jews.
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April 20, 2017, 11:39:20 PM
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You do not confuse? I was the first time I hear from you that the Bible says that the need to kill gays. And about Saturday haven't heard anything. Christians have a day off on Sundays. A Saturday off from the Jews.

I guess you don't read your Bible.

Exodus 31:14-15 New International Version (NIV)

14 “‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people. 15 For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death.


Leviticus 20:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

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April 20, 2017, 11:50:11 PM
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You do not confuse? I was the first time I hear from you that the Bible says that the need to kill gays. And about Saturday haven't heard anything. Christians have a day off on Sundays. A Saturday off from the Jews.

I guess you don't read your Bible.

Exodus 31:14-15 New International Version (NIV)

14 “‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people. 15 For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death.


Leviticus 20:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

You want to know more, check out these "goodies":

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154.0


It is the old Testament. He probably became the basis for the writing of the Talmud, or Vice versa. I really don't understand it. On Saturdays, the Jewish Sabbath. Christians go to Church on Sundays.
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April 21, 2017, 12:36:49 AM
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I guess you don't read your Bible.

Exodus 31:14-15 New International Version (NIV)

14 “‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people. 15 For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death.


Leviticus 20:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

You want to know more, check out these "goodies":

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154.0


Exodus 31:14 (JPS) reads, "Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people."

The Bible is full of statements such as that in Exodus 31:14. It is logical to interpret these as warning about the natural consequence of sin. Death in this context is not a call for individuals who commit these sins to be killed by their fellow men, but a warning that these sins lead eventually to self destruction and extinction aka death.

Aren't sabbath breakers supposed to be stoned? Why don't you enforce that?
http://www.sabbathtruth.com/faq/arguments-refuted/id/1021/arent-sabbath-breakers-supposed-to-be-stoned-why-dont-you-enforce-that
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If a law has no penalty, it has no force. but it does not follow that because we do not believe in stoning people therefore we believe there will be no punishment for those who violate the Sabbath or any other part of the law of God.

The only difference between the ancient Jewish order of things and ours today is as regards the time of punishment and the executor of the punishment. When God was the direct ruler, He saw fit to have an immediate punishment inflicted. Now the evil-doer must look forward to the last great day of judgment . (See Heb. 10:26-29)

Therefore let not the Sabbath breaker feel at ease in his mind simply because God has not suddenly brought sudden judgment upon him for his violation of the fourth precept of the decalogue, which declares that the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God, Creator of heaven and earth.

The story is told of a certain godless man who found special delight in flaunting his disobedience of the Sabbath command . He lived in a locality where the other farmers near him where devout Sabbath keepers. When October came and he harvested his crop, he found that he had even more in his barn than his neighbors.

Meeting the Sabbath keeping minister on the street one day, he gloatingly mentioned this fact. The minister's only reply was: "God does not always make a full settlement in October." No better answer could have been given.

The faithful Sabbath keeper awaits the day of final judgment to receive his full reward for obedience to God, the Creator of the whole earth. And likewise, the Sabbath violator must await that last great day of accounting in order to receive the final reward for his failure to obey the explicit command of God. The violation of the law of god is sin, the scriptures inform us (1 John 3:4), and the wages of sin is death (rom. 6:23). is that not sufficient penalty?

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April 21, 2017, 01:06:34 AM
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You do not confuse? I was the first time I hear from you that the Bible says that the need to kill gays. And about Saturday haven't heard anything. Christians have a day off on Sundays. A Saturday off from the Jews.

I guess you don't read your Bible.

Exodus 31:14-15 New International Version (NIV)

14 “‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people. 15 For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death.


Leviticus 20:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

You want to know more, check out these "goodies":

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154.0


It is the old Testament. He probably became the basis for the writing of the Talmud, or Vice versa. I really don't understand it. On Saturdays, the Jewish Sabbath. Christians go to Church on Sundays.

christian on my place go to church on sunday because the saturday of jewish is sunday here. we don't have same date and time of different country.
if we go to church on saturday that is friday of the jewish.
that is what I understand.

I don't really read bibles I just watch religious channels on tv and I got and learned different teaching of bible of different kind of religions that people made by themselves.
 


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April 21, 2017, 02:01:45 AM
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I guess you don't read your Bible.

Exodus 31:14-15 New International Version (NIV)

14 “‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people. 15 For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death.


Leviticus 20:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

You want to know more, check out these "goodies":

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154.0


Exodus 31:14 (JPS) reads, "Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people."

The Bible is full of statements such as that in Exodus 31:14. It is logical to interpret these as warning about the natural consequence of sin. Death in this context is not a call for individuals who commit these sins to be killed by their fellow men, but a warning that these sins lead eventually to self destruction and extinction aka death.

Aren't sabbath breakers supposed to be stoned? Why don't you enforce that?
http://www.sabbathtruth.com/faq/arguments-refuted/id/1021/arent-sabbath-breakers-supposed-to-be-stoned-why-dont-you-enforce-that
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If a law has no penalty, it has no force. but it does not follow that because we do not believe in stoning people therefore we believe there will be no punishment for those who violate the Sabbath or any other part of the law of God.

The only difference between the ancient Jewish order of things and ours today is as regards the time of punishment and the executor of the punishment. When God was the direct ruler, He saw fit to have an immediate punishment inflicted. Now the evil-doer must look forward to the last great day of judgment . (See Heb. 10:26-29)

Therefore let not the Sabbath breaker feel at ease in his mind simply because God has not suddenly brought sudden judgment upon him for his violation of the fourth precept of the decalogue, which declares that the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God, Creator of heaven and earth.

The story is told of a certain godless man who found special delight in flaunting his disobedience of the Sabbath command . He lived in a locality where the other farmers near him where devout Sabbath keepers. When October came and he harvested his crop, he found that he had even more in his barn than his neighbors.

Meeting the Sabbath keeping minister on the street one day, he gloatingly mentioned this fact. The minister's only reply was: "God does not always make a full settlement in October." No better answer could have been given.

The faithful Sabbath keeper awaits the day of final judgment to receive his full reward for obedience to God, the Creator of the whole earth. And likewise, the Sabbath violator must await that last great day of accounting in order to receive the final reward for his failure to obey the explicit command of God. The violation of the law of god is sin, the scriptures inform us (1 John 3:4), and the wages of sin is death (rom. 6:23). is that not sufficient penalty?


You twisting your God's words.  He said to kill them.  If you don't do it, you are not following your God's commandments.  You'll burn in hell as a result.

The only question remains if you are smart enough to figure out that it is wrong to kill someone because they are gay, how come you believe in the rest of this nonsense.  The Bible is full of nonsense.
Moral code from Stone Age, why would anyone want to even read this shit is beyond me.


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April 21, 2017, 10:19:10 AM
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I guess you don't read your Bible.

Exodus 31:14-15 New International Version (NIV)

14 “‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people. 15 For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death.


Leviticus 20:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

You want to know more, check out these "goodies":

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154.0


Exodus 31:14 (JPS) reads, "Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people."

The Bible is full of statements such as that in Exodus 31:14. It is logical to interpret these as warning about the natural consequence of sin. Death in this context is not a call for individuals who commit these sins to be killed by their fellow men, but a warning that these sins lead eventually to self destruction and extinction aka death.

Aren't sabbath breakers supposed to be stoned? Why don't you enforce that?
http://www.sabbathtruth.com/faq/arguments-refuted/id/1021/arent-sabbath-breakers-supposed-to-be-stoned-why-dont-you-enforce-that
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If a law has no penalty, it has no force. but it does not follow that because we do not believe in stoning people therefore we believe there will be no punishment for those who violate the Sabbath or any other part of the law of God.

The only difference between the ancient Jewish order of things and ours today is as regards the time of punishment and the executor of the punishment. When God was the direct ruler, He saw fit to have an immediate punishment inflicted. Now the evil-doer must look forward to the last great day of judgment . (See Heb. 10:26-29)

Therefore let not the Sabbath breaker feel at ease in his mind simply because God has not suddenly brought sudden judgment upon him for his violation of the fourth precept of the decalogue, which declares that the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God, Creator of heaven and earth.

The story is told of a certain godless man who found special delight in flaunting his disobedience of the Sabbath command . He lived in a locality where the other farmers near him where devout Sabbath keepers. When October came and he harvested his crop, he found that he had even more in his barn than his neighbors.

Meeting the Sabbath keeping minister on the street one day, he gloatingly mentioned this fact. The minister's only reply was: "God does not always make a full settlement in October." No better answer could have been given.

The faithful Sabbath keeper awaits the day of final judgment to receive his full reward for obedience to God, the Creator of the whole earth. And likewise, the Sabbath violator must await that last great day of accounting in order to receive the final reward for his failure to obey the explicit command of God. The violation of the law of god is sin, the scriptures inform us (1 John 3:4), and the wages of sin is death (rom. 6:23). is that not sufficient penalty?


You twisting your God's words.  He said to kill them.  If you don't do it, you are not following your God's commandments.  You'll burn in hell as a result.

The only question remains if you are smart enough to figure out that it is wrong to kill someone because they are gay, how come you believe in the rest of this nonsense.  The Bible is full of nonsense.
Moral code from Stone Age, why would anyone want to even read this shit is beyond me.


God didn't tell me to kill anyone. I have been through God's Word multiple times, and neither my name, nor my "BADecker" handle are in there, even once. Check it out for yourself? "BADecker" isn't in there.

The question is, are you smart enough to figure out that the Old Testament directives were for the Ancient Israel Nation. Certainly the moral requirements are for us, because we have bodies and lives. But the national directives are for that nation, not our nation.

How long will it take you to understand that the whole Bible is written for that salvation of people? But by your unwillingness to understand, you are quenching the little bit of faith fire you have. Your salvation is being destroyed, and that by you doing it to yourself.

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April 21, 2017, 11:31:04 AM
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I guess you don't read your Bible.

Exodus 31:14-15 New International Version (NIV)

14 “‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people. 15 For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death.


Leviticus 20:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

You want to know more, check out these "goodies":

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154.0


Exodus 31:14 (JPS) reads, "Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people."

The Bible is full of statements such as that in Exodus 31:14. It is logical to interpret these as warning about the natural consequence of sin. Death in this context is not a call for individuals who commit these sins to be killed by their fellow men, but a warning that these sins lead eventually to self destruction and extinction aka death.

Aren't sabbath breakers supposed to be stoned? Why don't you enforce that?
http://www.sabbathtruth.com/faq/arguments-refuted/id/1021/arent-sabbath-breakers-supposed-to-be-stoned-why-dont-you-enforce-that
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If a law has no penalty, it has no force. but it does not follow that because we do not believe in stoning people therefore we believe there will be no punishment for those who violate the Sabbath or any other part of the law of God.

The only difference between the ancient Jewish order of things and ours today is as regards the time of punishment and the executor of the punishment. When God was the direct ruler, He saw fit to have an immediate punishment inflicted. Now the evil-doer must look forward to the last great day of judgment . (See Heb. 10:26-29)

Therefore let not the Sabbath breaker feel at ease in his mind simply because God has not suddenly brought sudden judgment upon him for his violation of the fourth precept of the decalogue, which declares that the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God, Creator of heaven and earth.

The story is told of a certain godless man who found special delight in flaunting his disobedience of the Sabbath command . He lived in a locality where the other farmers near him where devout Sabbath keepers. When October came and he harvested his crop, he found that he had even more in his barn than his neighbors.

Meeting the Sabbath keeping minister on the street one day, he gloatingly mentioned this fact. The minister's only reply was: "God does not always make a full settlement in October." No better answer could have been given.

The faithful Sabbath keeper awaits the day of final judgment to receive his full reward for obedience to God, the Creator of the whole earth. And likewise, the Sabbath violator must await that last great day of accounting in order to receive the final reward for his failure to obey the explicit command of God. The violation of the law of god is sin, the scriptures inform us (1 John 3:4), and the wages of sin is death (rom. 6:23). is that not sufficient penalty?


You twisting your God's words.  He said to kill them.  If you don't do it, you are not following your God's commandments.  You'll burn in hell as a result.

The only question remains if you are smart enough to figure out that it is wrong to kill someone because they are gay, how come you believe in the rest of this nonsense.  The Bible is full of nonsense.
Moral code from Stone Age, why would anyone want to even read this shit is beyond me.


God didn't tell me to kill anyone. I have been through God's Word multiple times, and neither my name, nor my "BADecker" handle are in there, even once. Check it out for yourself? "BADecker" isn't in there.

The question is, are you smart enough to figure out that the Old Testament directives were for the Ancient Israel Nation. Certainly the moral requirements are for us, because we have bodies and lives. But the national directives are for that nation, not our nation.

How long will it take you to understand that the whole Bible is written for that salvation of people? But by your unwillingness to understand, you are quenching the little bit of faith fire you have. Your salvation is being destroyed, and that by you doing it to yourself.

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The moral code to kill gays is for everyone.

So where can I find Bible version with directives for Canada or US?

Why you even read the Bible if it is not for you?

National directives my ass!!!

You just make the shit up as you go along.  This is for us, this is for them, this does not mean that, killing does not mean killing, stoning is not really stoning etc.  While you at it just say that hell and heaven are not really hell and heaven but psychological discomfort and feeling of being happy.

Your Bible is full of contradictions and was written by Bronze Age people for Bronze Age people (nations).

Where is the Bible for the modern world?  Where the fuck is it?  Where is the Bible that talks about the ethical dilemmas we face today?

Where is the Bible that would talk about transgender surgeries, human cloning, genetic therapies, stem cell research, space exploration and bringing alien life to Earth etc?
 
Where is the Bible that would talk about crypto currencies?

You read some ancient, irrelevant book and think you stand on a higher moral ground?  You are as fucked up as the Bronze Age people were.  Follow the Bible I dare you, so that we can lock you guys up and throw away the key.
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Where is the Bible for the modern world?  Where the fuck is it?  Where is the Bible that talks about the ethical dilemmas we face today?

Where is the Bible that would talk about transgender surgeries, human cloning, genetic therapies, stem cell research, space exploration and bringing alien life to Earth etc?
 
Where is the Bible that would talk about crypto currencies?

You read some ancient, irrelevant book and think you stand on a higher moral ground?  You are as fucked up as the Bronze Age people were.  Follow the Bible I dare you, so that we can lock you guys up and throw away the key.


Truth does not change as we grow in knowledge though our understanding of it may broaden to reveal previously unrecognized depths.

Christianity Gave Rise To Modern Science
http://www.irishcatholic.ie/article/christianity-gave-rise-modern-science
Quote from: William Reville

Modern science arose in Christian Europe in the 17th Century, not in China which had developed a sophisticated culture long before Europe, or in classical Greece. Many people credit Christianity with providing the missing ingredients that gave rise to modern science.

The way Christians think about creation has four significant consequences. First, Christians believe in a rational God who created an orderly world. Second, the world is worthy of study because it is God’s creation. Third, in order to understand God’s handiwork it is necessary to examine the world. Fourth, the universe is not itself divine so it is not irreverent to investigate it. Together these four features provided the intellectual setting necessary to spark off modern science.

Christians believe that the individual is made in the image of God and is therefore endowed with intrinsic value and bears individual responsibilities. This gave rise, for example, to opposition to slavery. The Church banned slavery between Christians and ended slavery in Europe by the end of the 11th Century.

The Christian image of the individual also sparked concern for individual property rights. Stark describes how capitalism was invented in Christian monasteries, motivated by the idea that we have a God-given obligation to make progress. Indeed, capitalism was in full flower in Europe centuries before Protestantism, the conventionally-accredited ‘founder’ of capitalism, arose.

By the end of the 13th Century modern type corporations operated in Italy with share ownership and profit distribution and merchant banks arose with branches around Europe.

There are very many good things in modern society. For example, children from all backgrounds can access education up to the highest levels. People live longer today than ever before, living standards are high compared to the past and little severe poverty remains. Women now have pretty much the same opportunities as men and a wide range of minority groups are now tolerated much better than in the past. And much more.

Consequences

Nevertheless, as European Christianity loses its influence negative consequences are clearly emerging. We now live in an age where individualism is rampant and the person is increasingly seen as the sum of his/her wants and desires.

There is widespread pressure to facilitate these wants/desires and to attach a human right to as many as possible, but little pressure to accompany new rights with responsibilities. Absolute values are denied and the notion of transcendent realities widely scorned.

Sexuality is commonly reduced to sensuality and the notion of gender fluidity has been enthusiastically embraced before being rigorously investigated. Material values predominate, periodically precipitating crises, e.g. the economic crash following the recent Celtic Tiger era. And current soaring suicide rates are surely related to diminished spiritual resources available to handle personal crises as formal religious observance declines.


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Where is the Bible for the modern world?  Where the fuck is it?  Where is the Bible that talks about the ethical dilemmas we face today?

Where is the Bible that would talk about transgender surgeries, human cloning, genetic therapies, stem cell research, space exploration and bringing alien life to Earth etc?
  
Where is the Bible that would talk about crypto currencies?

You read some ancient, irrelevant book and think you stand on a higher moral ground?  You are as fucked up as the Bronze Age people were.  Follow the Bible I dare you, so that we can lock you guys up and throw away the key.


Truth does not change as we grow in knowledge though our understanding of it may broaden to reveal previously unrecognized depths.

Christianity Gave Rise To Modern Science
http://www.irishcatholic.ie/article/christianity-gave-rise-modern-science
Quote from: William Reville

Modern science arose in Christian Europe in the 17th Century, not in China which had developed a sophisticated culture long before Europe, or in classical Greece. Many people credit Christianity with providing the missing ingredients that gave rise to modern science.

The way Christians think about creation has four significant consequences. First, Christians believe in a rational God who created an orderly world. Second, the world is worthy of study because it is God’s creation. Third, in order to understand God’s handiwork it is necessary to examine the world. Fourth, the universe is not itself divine so it is not irreverent to investigate it. Together these four features provided the intellectual setting necessary to spark off modern science.

Christians believe that the individual is made in the image of God and is therefore endowed with intrinsic value and bears individual responsibilities. This gave rise, for example, to opposition to slavery. The Church banned slavery between Christians and ended slavery in Europe by the end of the 11th Century.

The Christian image of the individual also sparked concern for individual property rights. Stark describes how capitalism was invented in Christian monasteries, motivated by the idea that we have a God-given obligation to make progress. Indeed, capitalism was in full flower in Europe centuries before Protestantism, the conventionally-accredited ‘founder’ of capitalism, arose.

By the end of the 13th Century modern type corporations operated in Italy with share ownership and profit distribution and merchant banks arose with branches around Europe.

There are very many good things in modern society. For example, children from all backgrounds can access education up to the highest levels. People live longer today than ever before, living standards are high compared to the past and little severe poverty remains. Women now have pretty much the same opportunities as men and a wide range of minority groups are now tolerated much better than in the past. And much more.

Consequences

Nevertheless, as European Christianity loses its influence negative consequences are clearly emerging. We now live in an age where individualism is rampant and the person is increasingly seen as the sum of his/her wants and desires.

There is widespread pressure to facilitate these wants/desires and to attach a human right to as many as possible, but little pressure to accompany new rights with responsibilities. Absolute values are denied and the notion of transcendent realities widely scorned.

Sexuality is commonly reduced to sensuality and the notion of gender fluidity has been enthusiastically embraced before being rigorously investigated. Material values predominate, periodically precipitating crises, e.g. the economic crash following the recent Celtic Tiger era. And current soaring suicide rates are surely related to diminished spiritual resources available to handle personal crises as formal religious observance declines.


First of all, if you think the "truth" is to kill gays and people who work on Sabbath, you need to have your head examined.

Second, of all, Christian church burned scientists at the stakes.  Do not forget Giordano Bruno and many like him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno

The truth will set you free.

Science advanced in Christian Europe DESPITE the fact that Europe was predominantly Christian.

BTW, you conveniently forget the fact HOW Europe became Christian.  It was not by choice.  Early Christian church converted Europe by sword and fire.

So stop talking about Christianity and science in the same sentence.  The Catholic church is the most evil institution ever.  Even ISIS does not measure up to the Catholic church.

Christians were killing everybody where ever they went.  They are responsible for genocides in North, Central and South Americas.
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First of all, if you think the "truth" is to kill gays and people who work on Sabbath, you need to have your head examined.

Second, of all, Christian church burned scientists at the stakes.  Do not forget Giordano Bruno and many like him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno

The truth will set you free.

Science advanced in Christian Europe DESPITE the fact that Europe was predominantly Christian.

BTW, you conveniently forget the fact HOW Europe became Christian.  It was not by choice.  Early Christian church converted Europe by sword and fire.

So stop talking about Christianity and science in the same sentence.  The Catholic church is the most evil institution ever.  Even ISIS does not measure up to the Catholic church.

Christians were killing everybody where ever they went.  They are responsible for genocides in North, Central and South Americas.

As I said before I absolutely do not believe "truth" demands we kill gays and people who work on the Sabbath.

Almost no one believes that not even fundamentalists like the Amish or the ultra-orthodox Jews. You seem hung up on this particular strawman.

Your distain of Christianity is in my opinion blinding your objectivity. Yes sins have been committed in the name of Christianity. Human beings often embrace evil with or without religion. God teaches us how to improve if we listen.

The Catholic church is one of the many human institutions built to honor and serve God. All such institutions are guaranteed to have at best a pale and shallow understanding of God. If you are Catholic you believe the church is the best of these institutions with the most accurate understanding of God.

The Catholic Church is far from perfect. It has many flaws and many crimes have been committed in its name. At the same time it has contributed greatly to human progress.

The claim that science had advanced despite religion completely overlooks the fundamental relationship between God, progress, and freedom. The only reason we have come as far as we have is due to the organizational superstructure provided by the worship of God.

If you are interested in the logic behind this I would refer you to the following posts:

Religion and Progress
The Nature of Freedom
The Beginning of Wisdom

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First of all, if you think the "truth" is to kill gays and people who work on Sabbath, you need to have your head examined.

Second, of all, Christian church burned scientists at the stakes.  Do not forget Giordano Bruno and many like him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno

The truth will set you free.

Science advanced in Christian Europe DESPITE the fact that Europe was predominantly Christian.

BTW, you conveniently forget the fact HOW Europe became Christian.  It was not by choice.  Early Christian church converted Europe by sword and fire.

So stop talking about Christianity and science in the same sentence.  The Catholic church is the most evil institution ever.  Even ISIS does not measure up to the Catholic church.

Christians were killing everybody where ever they went.  They are responsible for genocides in North, Central and South Americas.

As I said before I absolutely do not believe "truth" demands we kill gays and people who work on the Sabbath.

Almost no one believes that not even fundamentalists like the Amish or the ultra-orthodox Jews. You seem hung up on this particular strawman.

Your distain of Christianity is in my opinion blinding your objectivity. Yes sins have been committed in the name of Christianity. Human beings often embrace evil with or without religion. God teaches us how to improve if we listen.

The Catholic church is one of the many human institutions built to honor and serve God. All such institutions are guaranteed to have at best a pale and shallow understanding of God. If you are Catholic you believe the church is the best of these institutions with the most accurate understanding of God.

The Catholic Church is far from perfect. It has many flaws and many crimes have been committed in its name. At the same time it has contributed greatly to human progress.

The claim that science had advanced despite religion completely overlooks the fundamental relationship between God, progress, and freedom. The only reason we have come as far as we have is due to the organizational superstructure provided by the worship of God.

If you are interested in the logic behind this I would refer you to the following posts:

Religion and Progress
The Nature of Freedom
The Beginning of Wisdom

And you are missing my point.  You don't need to overlay Christianity on progress and freedom.  You get progress and freedom despite Christianity.  Believe in unreal entities does not help you solve problems humanity is facing.  A fixed framework based on an outdated world view always hinders progress.  Religions were always in the business of enslaving not freedom.

Look in the historical context what this religion has done.  How can you say with a straight face religions contributed to progress?  You guys were killing people left and right, people who had progressive ideas or scientific breakthroughs.

Slavery, racial and gender inequality was a major thing in Christianity, until recently when the church had to give in.  Look how Amish communities treat women, how they treat children, how 'progressive' their communities are.  Christian communities few hundred years ago were more conservative and backwards than Amish communities of today.

Think of what you are saying.  Christianity was never about progress or freedom.  Quite the opposite.  We have a fucking proof in the living Amish and Mennonite communities, as well as in the thousands of people killed to STOP progress and enslave people on EVERY continent.

You can sell your religion propaganda in your church basement, but in an open forum it will be challenged with FACTS.
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First of all, if you think the "truth" is to kill gays and people who work on Sabbath, you need to have your head examined.

Second, of all, Christian church burned scientists at the stakes.  Do not forget Giordano Bruno and many like him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno

The truth will set you free.

Science advanced in Christian Europe DESPITE the fact that Europe was predominantly Christian.

BTW, you conveniently forget the fact HOW Europe became Christian.  It was not by choice.  Early Christian church converted Europe by sword and fire.

So stop talking about Christianity and science in the same sentence.  The Catholic church is the most evil institution ever.  Even ISIS does not measure up to the Catholic church.

Christians were killing everybody where ever they went.  They are responsible for genocides in North, Central and South Americas.

As I said before I absolutely do not believe "truth" demands we kill gays and people who work on the Sabbath.

Almost no one believes that not even fundamentalists like the Amish or the ultra-orthodox Jews. You seem hung up on this particular strawman.

Your distain of Christianity is in my opinion blinding your objectivity. Yes sins have been committed in the name of Christianity. Human beings often embrace evil with or without religion. God teaches us how to improve if we listen.

The Catholic church is one of the many human institutions built to honor and serve God. All such institutions are guaranteed to have at best a pale and shallow understanding of God. If you are Catholic you believe the church is the best of these institutions with the most accurate understanding of God.

The Catholic Church is far from perfect. It has many flaws and many crimes have been committed in its name. At the same time it has contributed greatly to human progress.

The claim that science had advanced despite religion completely overlooks the fundamental relationship between God, progress, and freedom. The only reason we have come as far as we have is due to the organizational superstructure provided by the worship of God.

If you are interested in the logic behind this I would refer you to the following posts:

Religion and Progress
The Nature of Freedom
The Beginning of Wisdom

And you are missing my point.  You don't need to overlay Christianity on progress and freedom.  You get progress and freedom despite Christianity.  Believe in unreal entities does not help you solve problems humanity is facing.  A fixed framework based on an outdated world view always hinders progress.  Religions were always in the business of enslaving not freedom.

Look in the historical context what this religion has done.  How can you say with a straight face religions contributed to progress?  You guys were killing people left and right, people who had progressive ideas or scientific breakthroughs.

Slavery, racial and gender inequality was a major thing in Christianity, until recently when the church had to give in.  Look how Amish communities treat women, how they treat children, how 'progressive' their communities are.  Christian communities few hundred years ago were more conservative and backwards than Amish communities of today.

Think of what you are saying.  Christianity was never about progress or freedom.  Quite the opposite.  We have a fucking proof in the living Amish and Mennonite communities, as well as in the thousands of people killed to STOP progress and enslave people on EVERY continent.

You can sell your religion propaganda in your church basement, but in an open forum it will be challenged with FACTS.


Without Christianity among people in America, America would not be close to free.

Christian people resisted the dictatorship that would have flowed out of the Constitution if they hadn't seen to it that the Bill of Rights was added.

Nowadays, it is atheism that is subjecting itself to a Government in America that it doesn't have to, and in ways that it doesn't have to, and slavery in America is expanding because of it.

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Where is the Bible for the modern world?  Where the fuck is it?  Where is the Bible that talks about the ethical dilemmas we face today?

Where is the Bible that would talk about transgender surgeries, human cloning, genetic therapies, stem cell research, space exploration and bringing alien life to Earth etc?
  
Where is the Bible that would talk about crypto currencies?

You read some ancient, irrelevant book and think you stand on a higher moral ground?  You are as fucked up as the Bronze Age people were.  Follow the Bible I dare you, so that we can lock you guys up and throw away the key.


Truth does not change as we grow in knowledge though our understanding of it may broaden to reveal previously unrecognized depths.

Christianity Gave Rise To Modern Science
http://www.irishcatholic.ie/article/christianity-gave-rise-modern-science
Quote from: William Reville

Modern science arose in Christian Europe in the 17th Century, not in China which had developed a sophisticated culture long before Europe, or in classical Greece. Many people credit Christianity with providing the missing ingredients that gave rise to modern science.

The way Christians think about creation has four significant consequences. First, Christians believe in a rational God who created an orderly world. Second, the world is worthy of study because it is God’s creation. Third, in order to understand God’s handiwork it is necessary to examine the world. Fourth, the universe is not itself divine so it is not irreverent to investigate it. Together these four features provided the intellectual setting necessary to spark off modern science.

Christians believe that the individual is made in the image of God and is therefore endowed with intrinsic value and bears individual responsibilities. This gave rise, for example, to opposition to slavery. The Church banned slavery between Christians and ended slavery in Europe by the end of the 11th Century.

The Christian image of the individual also sparked concern for individual property rights. Stark describes how capitalism was invented in Christian monasteries, motivated by the idea that we have a God-given obligation to make progress. Indeed, capitalism was in full flower in Europe centuries before Protestantism, the conventionally-accredited ‘founder’ of capitalism, arose.

By the end of the 13th Century modern type corporations operated in Italy with share ownership and profit distribution and merchant banks arose with branches around Europe.

There are very many good things in modern society. For example, children from all backgrounds can access education up to the highest levels. People live longer today than ever before, living standards are high compared to the past and little severe poverty remains. Women now have pretty much the same opportunities as men and a wide range of minority groups are now tolerated much better than in the past. And much more.

Consequences

Nevertheless, as European Christianity loses its influence negative consequences are clearly emerging. We now live in an age where individualism is rampant and the person is increasingly seen as the sum of his/her wants and desires.

There is widespread pressure to facilitate these wants/desires and to attach a human right to as many as possible, but little pressure to accompany new rights with responsibilities. Absolute values are denied and the notion of transcendent realities widely scorned.

Sexuality is commonly reduced to sensuality and the notion of gender fluidity has been enthusiastically embraced before being rigorously investigated. Material values predominate, periodically precipitating crises, e.g. the economic crash following the recent Celtic Tiger era. And current soaring suicide rates are surely related to diminished spiritual resources available to handle personal crises as formal religious observance declines.


First of all, if you think the "truth" is to kill gays and people who work on Sabbath, you need to have your head examined.

Second, of all, Christian church burned scientists at the stakes.  Do not forget Giordano Bruno and many like him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno

The truth will set you free.

Science advanced in Christian Europe DESPITE the fact that Europe was predominantly Christian.

BTW, you conveniently forget the fact HOW Europe became Christian.  It was not by choice.  Early Christian church converted Europe by sword and fire.

So stop talking about Christianity and science in the same sentence.  The Catholic church is the most evil institution ever.  Even ISIS does not measure up to the Catholic church.

Christians were killing everybody where ever they went.  They are responsible for genocides in North, Central and South Americas.

You ignore the fact that the Catholic Church isn't really Christian.

Further, any troubles anybody brings on America is because of Americans who are denying God. God isn't actively seeking problems for atheists. It's just that denying God is pushing His protection away.

Atheism is destroying America, and science can't even figure this out.

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Wow.   That is a low point even for a religious fanatic like you.  I guess that is the result of home schooling.

FYI, all Catholics are Christians.  Not all Christians are Catholic.

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Christanity is not a poison you are just jerks and idiots. Not because you are atheist or believe in something else, it is because you think that Jesus does not love gay people, atheists. Jesus loves all people on Earth, it is just that catholic Christians say that gay and atheists aint okay by christanity. And saying christanity as a whole is poison is like saying all muslims are terrorist. And you clearly did not see Orthodox Christanity, you just talk shit since you do not have a clue what Christanity is like.

Atheism is the poison, how can you not believe in something, the world could not just create out of nothing, there must be something or someone behind and that is most likely God.

We can not explain God because we are smaller and mortals, can you explain how everything was created if not by God? You can not, you only know to talk bad thing about faith, and you cant even explain why you dont believe in anything.

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Wow.   That is a low point even for a religious fanatic like you.  I guess that is the result of home schooling.

FYI, all Catholics are Christians.  Not all Christians are Catholic.


Wrong. Some Christians are Catholic. Catholic talks about Christ, but definitely doesn't save anyone except incidentally. Therefore, Catholic is not Christian.

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Christanity is not a poison you are just jerks and idiots. Not because you are atheist or believe in something else, it is because you think that Jesus does not love gay people, atheists. Jesus loves all people on Earth, it is just that catholic Christians say that gay and atheists aint okay by christanity. And saying christanity as a whole is poison is like saying all muslims are terrorist. And you clearly did not see Orthodox Christanity, you just talk shit since you do not have a clue what Christanity is like.

Atheism is the poison, how can you not believe in something, the world could not just create out of nothing, there must be something or someone behind and that is most likely God.

We can not explain God because we are smaller and mortals, can you explain how everything was created if not by God? You can not, you only know to talk bad thing about faith, and you cant even explain why you dont believe in anything.

Things similar to what you say, have been spoken to af_newbie many times by myself and others. Either he is very dense and doesn't understand. Or he is on the side of the devil. Perhaps he is just a troll, but if he is, he is more likely being paid.

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