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October 10, 2010, 07:43:45 PM
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Time to write a letter to the CCC(Chaos Computer Club). We will also need German translators once the donations and the letter has been finalized. This is the letter adapted from the EFF letter. Feel free to critique and make improvement.

Dear Chaos Computer Club,

The Bitcoin community appreciates your efforts to protect electronic liberty and help the internet remain free of censorship and unnecessary intervention.

Bitcoin < http://bitcoin.org > is a new open-source P2P cryptocurrency system, published under the MIT license.

There are several enterprises and individuals in the Bitcoin community and growing. We have donated about 600 BTC to date to the EFF, now we wish to donate X amount to you.

We are certain that you will receive many more in individual donations if you will set up your own bitcoin address and tell people that they can donate to you via bitcoins.

Warmest regards,

The Bitcoin community.

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October 10, 2010, 07:45:14 PM
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Use this URL precisely:

     http://www.bitcoin.org/

Using SSL brings up a browser warning, and it's slower anyway.

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October 10, 2010, 07:46:41 PM
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Use this URL precisely:

     http://www.bitcoin.org/

Using SSL brings up a browser warning, and it's slower anyway.

Updated.

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October 10, 2010, 10:12:02 PM
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Using SSL brings up a browser warning, and it's slower anyway.
Dude, it's the CCC. They know these things and will appreciate to see a HTTPS link.

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October 10, 2010, 11:48:46 PM
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Here a draft German translation (while I am still wondering why we translate, because the CCC is fully capable to read and write English!!!)

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Sehr geehrter Chaos Computer Club,

Die Bitcoin Gemeinde begruesst Ihre Bemuehungen zum Schutz elektronischer Freiheit. Dies hilft, das Internet von Zensur und unnoetiger Intervention freizuhalten.

Bitcoin < http://bitcoin.org > ist ein neues, quelloffenes P2P Krypto-Waehrungssystem, publiziert unter der MIT Lizenz.

Es gibt mittlerwiele schon zahlreiche Unternehmen und Einzelpersonen, und dieser Trend waechst stark. Wir haben zur Foerderung von bitcoins kuerzlich ca. 600 bitcoins (BTC) an den EFF gespendet.

Jetzt haben wir vor, auch Ihnen X bitoins zu spenden.

Wir sind uns sicher, dass Sie viele weitere individuelle Spenden erhalten werden, wenn Sie einfach Ihre eigene bitcoin-Adresse erstellen und mitteilen, dass Spenden ueber bitcoins an Sie gehen koennen.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

Die Bitcoin Gemeinde.
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One question: Shouldn't we encourage them also to provide us with comments / feedback if they have some (and if so, where do we direct them to?)

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October 11, 2010, 07:42:48 PM
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It's more like:
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Zahlreiche Unternehmen und Einzelpersonen sind bereits aktiv bei uns, und vorraussichtlich haelt das Wachstum weiterhin an.

The rest sounds pretty solid Cheesy

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October 11, 2010, 07:45:23 PM
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Thanks a lot. This sounds much better!

Below is the full, corrected letter.


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Sehr geehrter Chaos Computer Club,

Die Bitcoin Gemeinde begruesst Ihre Bemuehungen zum Schutz elektronischer Freiheit. Dies hilft, das Internet von Zensur und unnoetiger Intervention freizuhalten.

Bitcoin < http://bitcoin.org > ist ein neues, quelloffenes P2P Krypto-Waehrungssystem, publiziert unter der MIT Lizenz.

Zahlreiche Unternehmen und Einzelpersonen sind bereits aktiv bei uns, und vorraussichtlich haelt das Wachstum weiterhin an. Wir haben zur Foerderung von bitcoins kuerzlich ca. 600 bitcoins (BTC) an den EFF gespendet.

Jetzt haben wir vor, auch Ihnen X bitoins zu spenden.

Wir sind uns sicher, dass Sie viele weitere individuelle Spenden erhalten werden, wenn Sie einfach Ihre eigene bitcoin-Adresse erstellen und mitteilen, dass Spenden ueber bitcoins an Sie gehen koennen.

Mit freundlichen Gruessen,

Die Bitcoin Gemeinde.

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October 11, 2010, 07:53:19 PM
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I'd vote for writing the letter in English or at least not a simple translation.
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October 11, 2010, 08:12:01 PM
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i second that,
not that theres anything wrong with this translation, but i wouldnt talk like that in german to the CCC guys.

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October 11, 2010, 08:16:24 PM
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Just a small fragment, might be used on the wiki or website, too.

Bitcoin < http://bitcoin.org > ist ein junges, quelloffenes Peer-to-Peer Krypto-Währungssystem. Es ist unter der MIT Lizenz verfügbar. Das Netz ist ohne zentrale Institution in der Lage, sicher zu stellen, dass ein Benutzer nur die Bitcoins versenden kann die er auch tatsächlich besitzt. Transaktionen können Weltweit ohne Verzögerung stattfinden. Nach ungefähr einer Stunde sind Transaktionen bestätigt.

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October 11, 2010, 08:18:54 PM
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thanks for letting me translating in the middle of the night  Wink

but all right, I proposed to write them in English myself

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October 11, 2010, 08:35:25 PM
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I am attempting to raise money for the CCC in conjunction of making the Bitcoin Mutual Aid Association grow so that we can actually fund projects.

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1432.0

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October 11, 2010, 11:35:58 PM
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I remember Wikileaks' headache earlier this year when their Paypal donation account was commandeered and when someone leaked the donors' identities.

Perhaps we should emphasize that Bitcoin would encourage more donations by protecting the privacy of the donors and so on, using Wikileaks as an example.

"Ein dezentrales, anonymes System zur Uebertragung von Spenden schuetzt die Privatsphaere der Spender und garantiert, dass das Geld unabhaengig von den Interessen eines Bezahlsystem-Betreibers ankommt."


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October 12, 2010, 07:35:58 AM
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I remember Wikileaks' headache earlier this year when their Paypal donation account was commandeered and when someone leaked the donors' identities.

Perhaps we should emphasize that Bitcoin would encourage more donations by protecting the privacy of the donors and so on, using Wikileaks as an example.

Perhaps we should try to contact wikileaks directly...

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October 12, 2010, 03:10:19 PM
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I remember Wikileaks' headache earlier this year when their Paypal donation account was commandeered and when someone leaked the donors' identities.

Perhaps we should emphasize that Bitcoin would encourage more donations by protecting the privacy of the donors and so on, using Wikileaks as an example.

Perhaps we should try to contact wikileaks directly...

One charity at a time.


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October 15, 2010, 04:15:11 AM
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So, is anybody going to critque my writing or join the BMAA?  Sad

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October 15, 2010, 06:40:01 PM
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So, is anybody going to critque my writing or join the BMAA?  Sad

Looks fine to me, I say take point and ship it.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

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October 15, 2010, 08:59:01 PM
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So, is anybody going to critque my writing or join the BMAA?  Sad

Looks fine to me, I say take point and ship it.


We still need donations to the CCC.

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October 17, 2010, 09:23:27 PM
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Jetzt haben wir vor, auch Ihnen X bitoins zu spenden.
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October 19, 2010, 11:19:26 PM
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So is the letter perfect or something?

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You should send it.
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October 30, 2010, 07:42:54 PM
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So where do I send the letter to?

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November 01, 2010, 12:42:35 PM
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According to http://www.ccc.de/de/office:
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Chaos Computer Club e.V.
Mitgliederverwaltung
Postfach 60 04 80
D-22204 Hamburg

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November 01, 2010, 12:44:36 PM
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According to http://www.ccc.de/de/office:
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Chaos Computer Club e.V.
Mitgliederverwaltung
Postfach 60 04 80
D-22204 Hamburg

Well, I am not exactly looking forward to writing a snail mail.

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November 02, 2010, 10:52:27 PM
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If anybody know the correct email address I should send it to, let me know.

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November 03, 2010, 07:03:37 PM
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I guess this should be the right: http://www.ccc.de/de/office

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Ihr erreicht das Office per E-Mail unter office@ccc.de, und wir empfehlen – wie eigentlich für alle E-Mails –, Eure Mails an uns per PGP zu verschlüsseln (unser Key). Der Fingerprint des aktuellen Keys ist:

pub   1024D/6C8A25DA 2010-03-02 [expires: 2011-03-02]
 Key fingerprint = 883B 905D CFE6 A213 E301  0FA6 F219 E5FA 6C8A 25DA
uid                  CCC Office Key (CCC Mitgliederverwaltung, Key 2010)
sub   2048g/08C1661E 2010-03-02 [expires: 2011-03-02]

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November 07, 2010, 10:24:42 PM
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so... has the letter been sent already ?

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November 07, 2010, 11:13:23 PM
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so... has the letter been sent already ?

Oh sorry, I been doing other things. I am sending a letter to the CCC now.

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November 07, 2010, 11:18:11 PM
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Done.

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Nothing yet from the CCC.

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November 09, 2010, 10:53:03 PM
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I just send another email wondering what's going on. Will check tommorow to see if anything is happening.

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Chaosfon

Unter 0700-CHAOSFON (0700 - 24267366 oder 040 - 401801-4300) erreichst Du unsere Sprachmailbox-System. Folgende Mailboxen stehen im Menü zur Auswahl:

   1. Hackerethik
   2. Allgemeine Anfragen
   3. Presseanfragen
   4. Kontakt zu Erfa-Kreisen
   5. Die Datenschleuder
   6. Mitgliederverwaltung

Anfragen per FAX können an die Nummer 040 - 401801-40 geschickt werden.
You could also do a phone call.

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November 10, 2010, 09:08:00 PM
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If anybody have actual connection with the CCC. Speaks up.

The EFF letter posting was successful with somebody's connection to the EFF. So a genuine connection would probably help me contact the CCC.

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November 15, 2010, 12:57:01 AM
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Anybody up for calling the CCC?

Anybody have connections to the CCC?

Please respond.

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November 15, 2010, 02:22:31 PM
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Seems like nobody has any relations to the CCC.
I suggest you, as the BMAA founder call their mailbox and ask them about the donation.
If you leave them a mail adress they will respond, I guess.

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November 16, 2010, 12:59:43 AM
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When I saw, "Letter to the CCC"...   My first thought was, the http://creativecommons.org organization.   That's one to support.

And, maybe even MORE importantly, http://questioncopyright.org

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Tried to contact them via twitter, didn't work.

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Mailbox.

Just leave a message and tell them to contact you via mail or somehting.

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I did got a reply.  Grin

Damn, I almost missed it.

http://twitter.com/#!/chaosupdates

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Finally got around to sending a letter to vostrade(AT)ccc.de

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don`t you mean vorstand@ccc.de ?

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don`t you mean vorstand@ccc.de ?

I got the email address right anyway.

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I been trying to talk to them, but the response is sporadic.

If anybody is in Germany and is willing to represent bitcoin, we might have a chance.

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November 30, 2010, 08:06:00 AM
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Sending an email there and there, and I am still holding on to significantly amount of bitcoins....


(No real response from the CCC about bitcoin donations)

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November 30, 2010, 10:08:41 AM
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are you referring to those bitcoins that you colelcted for the CCC donation? how many BTC do we plan to donate?

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November 30, 2010, 03:22:25 PM
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We're targeting charities and businesses - asking them to accept Bitcoin donations / payments - at http://BitcoinPromote.com

Someone said, "One charity at a time."

Why?  No way. 

We can email 100 at a time.   Each of us can email the entire LIST of organizations, until they finally concede and begin accepting Bitcoin (even if just to get us off their back! Smiley  )

Please give me the names of a dozen more organizations you'd like to see accept Bitcoin...
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November 30, 2010, 06:08:08 PM
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Someone said, "One charity at a time."


I am perhaps more afraid of promoting bitcoin and looking like a spammer more than you are.


But indeed, there's a purpose to my statement "One charity at a time". I want to raise a good amount of money for the charity that the bitcoin community donate to.

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... there's a purpose to my statement "One charity at a time". I want to raise a good amount of money for the charity that the bitcoin community donate to.

I think that's a good point. There's not much point signing up all the charities if no-one donates to them. It's more important to have successful bitcoin donees than to have lots of them.

Because I should practice what I preach, I've just sent another 10 BTC to the EFF, and I will try to remember to keep donating regularly.
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Because I should practice what I preach, I've just sent another 10 BTC to the EFF, and I will try to remember to keep donating regularly.

I have been doing the same thing!   I think that this is an important point...  It's so EASY to donate with Bitcoin...  And we love to promote Bitcoin...  These charities (if they are worthy) will get many more donations... on an ongoing basis... once they sign up for Bitcoin.

Example:  

  • I had never donated to EFF before.... although I had been meaning to for a long long time.  Now I have donated about 4 times recently!
  • I had never donated to Epic Change before.... although I had been meaning to for a long long time.  Now I have donated about 3 times recently!
  • I had never donated to Linux Mint before.... although I had been meaning to for a long long time.  Now I have donated for the first time, just today!

I'm telling you...  those of us in the Bitcoin community, who can afford to throw a few coins around, will be very generous with good causes.   I'm not worried about that.

We just need to get more organizations to sign up to RECEIVE our gifts.

We ARE getting them to sign up..... one by one.     Several have signed up, just because of me personally contacting them!

Who else should I add to the http://bitcoinpromote.com list to target?
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Any German speaker here?

I figure I might have better response if a German speaker write in German to the organization at vorstand@ccc.de.

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I guess none of us Germans here in the forum are CCC-related.

Maybe we need some official representants for these jobs.

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I seen no Germans here try to contact the CCC.

I did propose sending a bitcoin representative to one of their conference.

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Who else should I add to the http://bitcoinpromote.com list to target?
How about the Ludwig von Mises Institute (mises.org)?  I'm going to be there in a couple of weeks, so perhaps I can talk to them in person about this.

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Who else should I add to the http://bitcoinpromote.com list to target?
How about the Ludwig von Mises Institute (mises.org)?  I'm going to be there in a couple of weeks, so perhaps I can talk to them in person about this.

That sounds awesome. they should open up a donation address for bitcoin. I think theres a lot of us who would donate to mises

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That sounds awesome. they should open up a donation address for bitcoin. I think theres a lot of us who would donate to mises

I just added Mises to http://bitcoinpromote.com   Please write to every organization listed there.  Their email addresses are listed for your convenience.
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I guess none of us Germans here in the forum are CCC-related.

Maybe we need some official representants for these jobs.

If you are German, pretty please send an email to vorstand@ccc.de?


EDIT: Fix spelling.

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I guess none of us Germans here in the forum are CCC-related.

Maybe we need some official representants for these jobs.

If you are German, pretty please send an email to vostrand@ccc.de?

ewww, the second time. it`s called Vorstand
http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&sectHdr=on&spellToler=&search=Vorstand

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Help...me...please!

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If you are German, pretty please send an email to vorstand@ccc.de?
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Sehr geehrte Chaoten,

die Bitcoin Community begrüsst Eure Bemühungen zum Schutz der elektronischen Freiheit.
Ihr helft mit, das Internet von Zensur und unnötiger Intervention freizuhalten.
Wir wissen das sehr zu schätzen und möchten Euch daher unterstützen.

Bitcoin < http://www.bitcoin.org > ist ein junges, quelloffenes Peer-to-Peer Krypto-Währungssystem. Es ist unter der MIT Lizenz verfügbar.

Das Bitcoin-Netzwerk ist auch ohne zentrale Institution in der Lage, sicher zu stellen, dass ein Benutzer nur die Bitcoins versenden kann die er auch tatsächlich besitzt. Niemand ist in der Lage, Konten zu sperren, Guthaben einzufrieren, Zahlungen zu verhindern, oder einfach rückgängig zu machen. Transaktionen können weltweit ohne größere Verzögerung stattfinden und sind in der Regel kostenfrei.

Erfunden wurde das System von Satoshi Nakamoto und mittlerweile wird es von zahlreichen Unternehmen und Einzelpersonen rund um den Globus aktiv verwendet, tendenz steigend. Man kann Bitcoins bereits gegen den US-Dollar, Euro, Yen, oder den Rubel eintauschen -- oder sie erwerben.

Wir haben erst kürzlich einige hundert Bitcoins (BTC) an die EFF gespendet.
Jetzt haben wir vor, auch Euch Bitcoins zu spenden, zu diesem Zweck haben wir schon eine kleine Sammlung gestartet.

Wir sind uns sicher, dass Euch viele weitere individuelle Spenden erreichen werden, wenn Ihr Euch einfach eine eigene Bitcoin-Adresse erstellt und Euren Besuchern mitteilt, dass von Euch Spenden in Form von Bitcoins akzeptiert werden.
Ein dezentrales, pseudo-nymes System zur Übertragung von Spenden schützt außerdem die Privatsphäre der Spender und garantiert, dass das Geld, unabhängig von den Interessen eines Bezahlsystem-Betreibers, da ankommt, wo es gebraucht wird, undzwar vollständig.

Damit unsere gesammelten Spenden (bereits über 600BTC) genau da ankommen, wo sie hin sollen, nämlich bei Euch,
bräuchten wir nurnoch Eure Bitcoin-Addresse.
Eine aktive Teilnahme am P2P-Netzwerk ist zum erstellen einer solchen Addresse zwar nicht zwingend erforderlich, man kann dies auch über verfügbare Webservices machen, aber Ihr seit ja nicht umsonst der CCC, also testet am besten selbst und macht Euch schlau, der Quellcode ist offen.

Solltet Ihr Fragen, oder Probleme haben, steht Euch die gesamte (meist englisch-sprachige) Bitcoin Gemeinschaft jederzeit mit Rat und Tat
im Forum < http://bitcointalk.org >, oder im IRC channel #bitcoin-dev im FreeNode Netzwerk zur Seite.
Wir würden uns freuen, von Euch zu hören.

Und solltet Ihr Euch entscheiden, Bitcoin als Zahlungsmittel zu akzeptieren, was wir natürlich inständig hoffen,
teilt uns bitte umgehend Eure Bitcoin Addresse mit, damit wir die von uns für Euch gesammelten Bitcoins auch endlich loswerden können.

Wenn Ihr Euch jedoch, aus welchen Gründen auch immer, dagegen entscheidet, teilt uns auch das bitte umgehend mit,
damit wir den gesammelten Erlös an die Spender zurückgeben, oder damit andere Projekte unterstützen können.

Vielen Dank für Eure Aufmerksamkeit

Es grüßt herzlich
die Bitcoin Community


PS: eines unserer englisch-sprachigen Mitglieder hat vor einiger Zeit bereits versucht, Kontakt zu Euch aufzunehmen,
leider mit sehr 'sporadischer Resonanz', daher auf diesem Wege ein zweiter Versuch auf deutsch, wir hoffen, Ihr empfindet dies nicht als Spam.

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December 13, 2010, 07:55:38 PM
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any update on this topic ?

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i got no response so far.

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December 13, 2010, 08:33:06 PM
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* kiba bangs his head against the wall.


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December 14, 2010, 07:48:42 PM
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Any last ditch suggestion before I start refunding people's money?

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December 14, 2010, 08:15:34 PM
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Any last ditch suggestion before I start refunding people's money?

You could refund only the guys who ask for their money back and keep the rest for the next charity in line, like the FSF or something.
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