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August 11, 2016, 11:56:26 PM
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The only probably I see with 8gb cards is the pcie lanes the cpu offers. Most CPUs offer 16 lanes so with 4 cards that 4x per lane at 3.0 that's 4gbs per card so unless the southbridge picks up the slack in the line you won't get the full 8gbs



That's not the way it works. You can use all the 8GB of memory of each card, it's just that the system will utilize it at a (negligibly) slower rate

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August 11, 2016, 11:58:11 PM
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The only probably I see with 8gb cards is the pcie lanes the cpu offers. Most CPUs offer 16 lanes so with 4 cards that 4x per lane at 3.0 that's 4gbs per card so unless the southbridge picks up the slack in the line you won't get the full 8gbs



That's not the way it works. You can use all the 8GB of memory of each card, it's just that the system will utilize it at a (negligibly) slower rate

most likely this is correct.  I range from 95 to 101 for the four cards  pool side where it counts  and the average tends to be 98

which is 24 a card  and i pull 590-605 watts for entire system.

I am now trying to get the second rig up  I have an issue I am blue screening with four cards.  will keep trying.


boom second rig is running yeah baby.    four rx 480's  cheaper pentium g4400 psu.

blue screen with AMD 16.8.1
blue screen with AMD 16.7.3
running with AMD 16.7.2

So I now have two four card rigs
 same mobos
 same ram

hows the 460 phil?

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August 11, 2016, 11:58:42 PM
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I am not going to update unless i need to for some reason.  Every time I fiddle with something (drivers, updates)  it seems to act slightly different, and sometimes for the worse.
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August 12, 2016, 12:07:34 AM
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The only probably I see with 8gb cards is the pcie lanes the cpu offers. Most CPUs offer 16 lanes so with 4 cards that 4x per lane at 3.0 that's 4gbs per card so unless the southbridge picks up the slack in the line you won't get the full 8gbs



That's not the way it works. You can use all the 8GB of memory of each card, it's just that the system will utilize it at a (negligibly) slower rate

ahh learned something new today

Trying to think of a good analogy...

Think of computer memory as a bucket, and think of PCIe lanes as a one inch hose for each lane.  Some cards have 8 gallons of capacity (aka 8GB), and some have 4 gallons.  You can fill and drain the bucket with either 1, 4, 8 or 16 one-inch hoses, depending on your setup.  By adding more hoses (lanes), you can fill the bucket faster.  By having a larger bucket (raw memory capacity), you can store more water.


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August 12, 2016, 12:52:40 AM
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If he runs 4 8gbs cards on the biostar board each card will have a 16x slot at 3.0
but it can only run each slot at x4 3.0 so that's 4gbs per slot
With that half the cards ability will not be used unless that doesn't effect the hashing power of the card.

 Doesn't matter - the card is only using the PCI-E connection for the MOST part to load the DAG file into the card's RAM - then the DAG file just STAYS there for a few days 'till the next DAG file is needed.

 A few seconds difference AT MOST between a PCI-E 16x connection and a PCI-E 1x connection isn't going to be noticeable.


 To be blunt, even a *4GB* card is serious overkill for Ethereum mining at this point, though 3GB cards aren't real common so 4GB is pretty much the "next step up" from 2GB that WILL become worthless mining Ethereum in a few months.
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August 12, 2016, 01:02:28 AM
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If he runs 4 8gbs cards on the biostar board each card will have a 16x slot at 3.0
but it can only run each slot at x4 3.0 so that's 4gbs per slot
With that half the cards ability will not be used unless that doesn't effect the hashing power of the card.

 Doesn't matter - the card is only using the PCI-E connection for the MOST part to load the DAG file into the card's RAM - then the DAG file just STAYS there for a few days 'till the next DAG file is needed.

 A few seconds difference AT MOST between a PCI-E 16x connection and a PCI-E 1x connection isn't going to be noticeable.


 To be blunt, even a *4GB* card is serious overkill for Ethereum mining at this point, though 3GB cards aren't real common so 4GB is pretty much the "next step up" from 2GB that WILL become worthless mining Ethereum in a few months.


unless you plan to sell the 8gb cards after mining as a gaming rig, then those vrams will be crucial for gaming.... otherwise just a waste of real estate space for ETH mining.

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August 12, 2016, 01:16:25 AM
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here are two four card rigs

1  rig with 3 sapphire + 1 diamond reference

1 rig with 2 diamond 1 sapphire 1 xfx reference oc  this is the rig with the g4400 cheap cpu and as of now it is running at 102mh

2 two card rigs

1 is a rx 470 + a rx 480  it does about  about 46 mh
1 is a pair of sapphire rx 470s'  is does about  43 mh


rx 460s come on friday.





that one card is a pair of rx 470's gets 42-43mh

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here are two four card rigs

1  rig with 3 sapphire + 1 diamond reference

1 rig with 2 diamond 1 sapphire 1 xfx reference oc  this is the rig with the g4400 cheap cpu and as of now it is running at 102mh

2 two card rigs

1 is a rx 470 + a rx 480  it does about  about 46 mh
1 is a pair of sapphire rx 470s'  is does about  43 mh


rx 460s come on friday.


that one card is a pair of rx 470's gets 42-43mh

rig5 is two 470s, correct?
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August 12, 2016, 04:16:41 AM
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here are two four card rigs

1  rig with 3 sapphire + 1 diamond reference

1 rig with 2 diamond 1 sapphire 1 xfx reference oc  this is the rig with the g4400 cheap cpu and as of now it is running at 102mh

2 two card rigs

1 is a rx 470 + a rx 480  it does about  about 46 mh
1 is a pair of sapphire rx 470s'  is does about  43 mh


rx 460s come on friday.


that one card is a pair of rx 470's gets 42-43mh

rig5 is two 470s, correct?
yea it is an error I will fix it.
I was able to buy 1 rx 470 at  199.99 and get 15 off with the visa coupon on newegg.

so for 185 the rx 470 looks okay.

my first 460 comes tommorrow


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August 12, 2016, 10:43:10 AM
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Guys,

What is the point to buy 460 and 470 cards for about the same money as 480, but with lower hashing rate and problem with 4GB memory?
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Guys,

What is the point to buy 460 and 470 cards for about the same money as 480, but with lower hashing rate and problem with 4GB memory?

Hmf ? Maybe that's what he can afford to buy that time. And If I were to choose, I will choose the 480 right? So it will produce more hashing power. Not sure. Maybe he has many rigs and it has different cards .
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Guys,

What is the point to buy 460 and 470 cards for about the same money as 480, but with lower hashing rate and problem with 4GB memory?

Okay  this is as a service  for miners to decide if a 470 or a 460 works for them.

The 480s are hard to find.

I got some 470's at 185 after coupon

the rig with a pair of 470's runs cooler and quieter  then the reference   480s .


  So  in my case  that is a two rig in my den home theater  quiet is good.

  But if I did all this from the start  I would have the biostar 4 card rigs  filled with 480's.
  I would have 4 rigs of 4 cards giving me about   390-405mh

I would have the two card rig in my den  maybe with 2x 460's  since it should be very quiet.
 I assume or hoped they would do 32 to 36 mh but they do 24 mh most miners will not want or need a rx 460

 If not it would keep the pair of 470's

the 470's show promise   22mh 110 watts 199 and newegg still has a 15 dollar code so a rx 470 at 185 is pretty good.

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August 12, 2016, 04:50:20 PM
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Guys,

What is the point to buy 460 and 470 cards for about the same money as 480, but with lower hashing rate and problem with 4GB memory?

Okay  this is as a service  for miners to decide if a 470 or a 460 works for them.

The 480s are hard to find.

I got some 470's at 185 after coupon

the rig with a pair of 470's runs cooler and quieter  then the reference   480s .


  So  in my case  that is a two rig in my den home theater  quiet is good.

  But if I did all this from the start  I would have the biostar 4 card rigs  filled with 480's.
  I would have 4 rigs of 4 cards giving me about   390-405mh

 I would have the two card rig in my den  maybe with 2x 460's  since it should be very quiet.
 If not it would keep the pair of 470's

I noticed you treat your PC as server. If you treat that with pure miner with 6 graphics cards, would you choose 470 instead of 480?

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August 12, 2016, 05:57:35 PM
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Guys,

What is the point to buy 460 and 470 cards for about the same money as 480, but with lower hashing rate and problem with 4GB memory?

Okay  this is as a service  for miners to decide if a 470 or a 460 works for them.

The 480s are hard to find.

I got some 470's at 185 after coupon

the rig with a pair of 470's runs cooler and quieter  then the reference   480s .


  So  in my case  that is a two rig in my den home theater  quiet is good.

  But if I did all this from the start  I would have the biostar 4 card rigs  filled with 480's.
  I would have 4 rigs of 4 cards giving me about   390-405mh

 I would have the two card rig in my den  maybe with 2x 460's  since it should be very quiet.
 If not it would keep the pair of 470's

I noticed you treat your PC as server. If you treat that with pure miner with 6 graphics cards, would you choose 470 instead of 480?

  Don't know yet as I don't run 6 card riser rigs. 

  I only have 3 rx 470 cards  they seem good if you can get the 199 sapphires with a coupon for 185  they seem good to me.

If I was certain the asrock 6 card boards will do six rx 470's.
I would say  they would be cooler  and still do 6 x 22 mh = 132  with a smaller psu .  This has a value for some people.


So much depends on  price  and if you can get the gear to run.

I have to use 16.7.2  on my four card rigs  I blue screen on 16.7.3  and on 16.8.1

the rx 470   only runs on 16.8.1  I have the 2 card rig working great.

but if I do a 4 card rig  of 4 rx 470s  using the biostar z170 and 16.8.1  it may bluescreen  it does with the rx 480's

and I can't use 16.7.2  on the rx 470's  it does not detect them.

Hell I have an old hd 6790  just to help setup a new pc  with the drivers.
I use it to strip  and old amd software off the hdd.

I got my two rx 460's today will post later today on them.

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August 12, 2016, 06:01:29 PM
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So why you go with 460 instead of 480's all the way?
Are the 480's so hard to obtain now that you had to downgrade to a lesser card?
What is the difference from the 460's to the 480's anyways? If not by much then I will consider favoring them if they are cheaper by a sufficient amount.


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August 12, 2016, 06:18:31 PM
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Guys,

What is the point to buy 460 and 470 cards for about the same money as 480, but with lower hashing rate and problem with 4GB memory?

Okay  this is as a service  for miners to decide if a 470 or a 460 works for them.

The 480s are hard to find.

I got some 470's at 185 after coupon

the rig with a pair of 470's runs cooler and quieter  then the reference   480s .


  So  in my case  that is a two rig in my den home theater  quiet is good.

  But if I did all this from the start  I would have the biostar 4 card rigs  filled with 480's.
  I would have 4 rigs of 4 cards giving me about   390-405mh

 I would have the two card rig in my den  maybe with 2x 460's  since it should be very quiet.
 If not it would keep the pair of 470's

I noticed you treat your PC as server. If you treat that with pure miner with 6 graphics cards, would you choose 470 instead of 480?

  Don't know yet as I don't run 6 card riser rigs. 

  I only have 3 rx 470 cards  they seem good if you can get the 199 sapphires with a coupon for 185  they seem good to me.

If I was certain the asrock 6 card boards will do six rx 470's.
I would say  they would be cooler  and still do 6 x 22 mh = 132  with a smaller psu .  This has a value for some people.


So much depends on  price  and if you can get the gear to run.

I have to use 16.7.2  on my four card rigs  I blue screen on 16.7.3  and on 16.8.1

the rx 470   only runs on 16.8.1  I have the 2 card rig working great.

but if I do a 4 card rig  of 4 rx 470s  using the biostar z170 and 16.8.1  it may bluescreen  it does with the rx 480's

and I can't use 16.7.2  on the rx 470's  it does not detect them.

Hell I have an old hd 6790  just to help setup a new pc  with the drivers.
I use it to strip  and old amd software off the hdd.

I got my two rx 460's today will post later today on them.


It will be interesting to hear your results on the 460 cards, just looking at the hardware details I predict about half of what you get from the 470 card.

If you manage to get over 14 MH it would be pretty impressive given the power usage and specs

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August 12, 2016, 07:12:40 PM
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So why you go with 460 instead of 480's all the way?
Are the 480's so hard to obtain now that you had to downgrade to a lesser card?
What is the difference from the 460's to the 480's anyways? If not by much then I will consider favoring them if they are cheaper by a sufficient amount.

my testing is a service to the community.

I just setup two rx sapphire rx 460's  and as expected they are not so good  not a surprise but testing is the only way to be sure.

i can not get higher then 12.5 mh with them. so 2 did 24.9 mh  grand total which is not much

the only case i could have for the sapphire rx 460 miner is it has a dvi jack and a hdmi jack and a display jack.

the rx 470's i have do not have a dvi jack. sometimes  the dvi jack works on a card and the hdmi does not.

I have seen this issue since AMD hd 4770 cards MINING BTC BACK IN 2012

So if you were building a new build and got 5 of these rx 470's at 185

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202230

and had a hdmi issue  you could add a rx 460 sapphire  with its dvi jack  other then that it looks bad.

SO i still am rating the rx 480 if you find an 8gb under 250  a little better then the rx 470  4gb sapphire for 199.99.


http://www.frys.com/product/8877892?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG  

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202230

mostly i like my 4 card rx 480 builds a lot.

but one card above is 260  the 8gb diamond  so 4x 259 = 1040 for 95-102mh avg  the rx 480x reference 8gb models

the other card is 200 the 4gb sapphire so 4x 200 = 800 for 84-88mh avg the rx 470x reference 4gb models

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August 12, 2016, 08:09:01 PM
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Guys,

What is the point to buy 460 and 470 cards for about the same money as 480, but with lower hashing rate and problem with 4GB memory?

 Availability - though you have a point on the 460 since it's SO MUCH lower than the others, the 470 and 480 are pretty close on hashrate.

 Just finding ANY RX 4xx series card IN STOCK anywhere is a nightmare right now, much less the good ones like the Sapphire Nitro cards.

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Phil,
Thank you for the service to community!

I definitely will wait till 19th of August and buy 4 RX 480 manufacturer's overclocked and with custom cooling. Will overclock it to 28 MHs and use

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August 12, 2016, 10:32:48 PM
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Guys,

What is the point to buy 460 and 470 cards for about the same money as 480, but with lower hashing rate and problem with 4GB memory?

 Availability - though you have a point on the 460 since it's SO MUCH lower than the others, the 470 and 480 are pretty close on hashrate.

 Just finding ANY RX 4xx series card IN STOCK anywhere is a nightmare right now, much less the good ones like the Sapphire Nitro cards.



the 460's pretty much suck.

but this rx 470 at new egg is 199 and a 15 dollar coupon with your visa = 185

http://promotions.newegg.com/nepro/16-4157/index.html?cm_sp=Homepage-Top2016-_-P2_nepro%2f16-4157-_-http%3a%2f%2fpromotions.newegg.com%2fnepro%2f16-4157%2f1920x360.jpg&icid=365473


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202230&cm_re=sapphire_rx_470-_-14-202-230-_-Product

I have 2 of them and 1 on the way.

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