[DASH] Dash - Building the IoM | Dash Nation Progress Thread

[The Sceptical Chymist]

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The problem is that Satoshi envisioned it as decentralized and technically sound--dash is neither.

Didn't take long for you to turn up with your unsubstantiated allegations and general trolling did it? How long do you think you can stay even vaguely on topic this time? Read the title, "Progress", ie. not constant repetitions of history you re-posted several thousand times at this stage. Dash had a rough start, get over it. Its no secret and the only people that seem to give a shit are you and your cronies that insist on disrupting Dash threads, either post something useful or GTFO and go back to siring up trouble over Bitcoins blocksize.

Dash Nation... progress... yeah, entities, the kind of thing that enables users to keep anonymous internet scumbags at a distance. Not mentioned in the Evolution whitepaper but it's one of the fancy tricks you can do with them.

https://www.dash.org/binaries/evo/DashPaper-v13-v1.pdf

I know it's off topic but how are you legendary with your activity less than 300? 

Not getting into the Dash debate but it's interesting to watch from the sidelines.

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[stan.distortion]

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All cryptosystems force you to bet on which has the best distribution, but the one that employs a slower emissions over the longer period of time has the better odds of being the most decentralized.

The problem for dash is that dash has one of the fastest emissions over the shortest period (2 million of 18.9 million in 2 days), so it makes a terrible case for being decentralized.

Tbh, I don't think it's possible to have fair emission with proof of work but it's the best we've got for now, mining farms jump on any new coin as it can be extremely profitable but they usually sell them on quickly and anyone there to buy them can become a large holder, etc, etc. There's no real end to it and even if we could find a magical formula for fair distribution it wouldn't stay fair for long, that's just one of those unfortunate facts of life :/

Different distribution methods are coming out though, Dashes incentivisation of second tier services (instant transactions, privacy, etc) and development funding are an example of that, there will probably be very little space for coins that act as a commodity so evolution of distribution will likely be a key area and I think Dash can afford to experiment in that area, incentivising development and advanced features has worked extremely well so far and there's always room for improvement.



EDIT @The Pharmacist, I got rightly pissed off with the trolling on BCT once, deleted all my posts and swore never to bring my keyboard here again... ok, that didn't work too well but I'd been around a long time and the low post count didn't seem to effect the ranking thing, just the activity

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

How can this dash spammer be continue?

Here let me try again. Read it. You are saying simply because you have no 100% specific numbers it can't have happened Smiley okay

Let's take a look at the first 5 h of Darkcoin (XCoin at that time)...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4589219#msg4589219
Edufield said (after failed launch) that he will wait the next day to launch DRK (XCoin at that time) it is 11 pm.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4591407#msg4591407
Edufield disregard windows wallet and daemon and hurry up his launch, presumably to not have windows miners on board.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4592827#msg4592827
Edufield say he added four nodes for the launch at 4 am (5 hours later, despite his promise to wait). The 4 nodes from Edufield are 3 amazons AWS + another unknown (whois IP). Launch started at 3h54 am.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593601#msg4593601
Edufield said the github version was not updated, nobody could compile and only Edufield was able to mine until that time. It is 5.09 am and Edufield instamined alone 1153 block at 500 DRK + 60 block at reward 277 = 593120 DRK for him alone in about 1 hour.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593987#msg4593987
No windows wallet confirmed at 5h47 am, despite a user attempt to make one avaiable, that Edufield dismissed quickly.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4594096#msg4594096
Illodin, understand dev has instamined alot of coin.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4595573#msg4595573
From this list of nodes, at 8h34 am (4h40 after launch) there were 50 Amazon AWS node and 50 microsoft cloud computing instamining DRK (checked using IP whois service). This is 100/124 nodes using cloud computing to instamine DRK. We are at block 2870 and block reward is 500. From block 1153-1729 block reward is 277. After that it is 500 again hence 2294 block at 500 + 576 at 277 = 1306552 DRK (worth about 13M$ now) were instamined in less than 5 hour by Edufield and coworkers using about 100 cloud mining instances. Edufield himself instamined in not even 5 h from 600K to 1169K DRK ((1306K-600K)*100/124 + 600K) depending how many of the 100 cloud mining instance were its own. All this while having purposefully set the difficult ridiculously low and block reward 100 times what it is now.


SCAM = unfair and dishonest scheme = dash


This latest defence is so strange. Where are the victims ? what are you talking about it is there in black and white.

1. everyone who was told it was a fair launch LIKE ALL THE OTHER LAUNCHES AT THE TIME. - then prevented from mining fairly = scammed
2. everyone who was told there would be much more opportunity to mine ( then that got slashed by 75%) - prevented from mining the coins that were then taken away = scammed.

here are your victims.

3. everyone buying now thinking dash can go somewhere not knowing the scam it is will forever hold it back = being scammed.


Every dasher on here trying to scam others into supporting your scam = scammers.

I will be updating my scammers thread to add all of your names to it.

Denying a scam after it is proven time and time again to you in black and white = scam enabler and defender = scammer.

Once again, thank you for bringing SOME facts about the events of 48 hours two years ago. It helps to know where you came from, and that no one is perfect.

Unfortunately for you and your school-boy bullies, nothing in your long-winded post proves any evidence of bad intent, just a spin on the facts to serve your interests.

Evan had a youthful exuberance, when coupled with a lack of experience caused some mistakes to be made.

The facts are that he is almost universally accepted as a genius and a very fine, upstanding person. I am proud to be on his team, as are the rest of Dash Nation to a man (or woman).

Please, I implore you, bring something new and positive to the conversation. This constant negativity won't win you any friends here...

You're welcome Taoway.

1. EVANS?? he is considered a NON genius  by most high level devs on here and a scammer by the majority of the crypto community . However, I think he seems hmmm to just be greedy and selfish and isn't as bad as I originally thought. He scammed got caught and offered an airdrop. However the fact the other dash whales said no sealed the fate of Dash to always and forever to be considered a scam. DASH the scheme is a scam. Simple as that.

2. The fact you are proud to support a scam even though in black and white it has been proven one is not a thing you should boast about.
The is no dash nation. It is core of scammers with some innocent investors who have been roped into it. Hopefully they will exit with a profit and either keep their gains or invest in other coins with a better future due to having no scam start to hold them back. Leaving the scammers with bags of worthless scam coins.

You can not expect huge adoption and any kind of mainstream use for dash with the scam start it has when there are many other coins with no scam start that offer the same or greater services.

Taoway. I know you feel bad about causing dash so much trouble in the past and bringing to light all of their dark tricks and scams. However, you should feel good about it and put your energy into something else. Unless you have a time machine dash scam is tainted now and forever.

That's a lot of "scam"s, pal. Say it a few more times and you will rival the amount of times Allen Iverson said "practice" in one of my favorite sports videos.

https://youtu.be/eGDBR2L5kzI

Unfortunately, repeating the same thing over and over and over again doesn't make it true either.

To your other point, I say if Dash isn't popular outside of Dash Nation, it's because you and your well-wishers have been allowed to spread the false narrative from the beginning.

As I've said before, those days are over, my friend. Dash is a fantastic project, the closest one to becoming the Internet of Money.

No more lies. It's time to move forward. Progress. This is what Dash represents.

And who is Taoway?

My name is Tao Of Satoshi, which means "The Way of Satoshi", and that's what I'm representing here now.

 Dash is a true decentralized digital cash, and all are welcome.

[cryptohunter]

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The main problem is that dash didn't adequately prepare for a decentralized launch. many months to years to slowly allow people to accumulate coins to assure the distribution was as fairly distributed as possible--add to that an emissions cut and dash (intentionally or not) made the worst case for a large distribution pool.

Not to detract from the countless answers you've already received on that point, prove it. C'mon, evidence, not conjecture. Prove to me that any individual has a sizeable percentage of all the Dash in existence and the point is yours, fail to prove it and that point I made on certain acts between yourself and icebreaker are just as accurate as any allegation you can make.

Cold, hard fact: No coin has a fair launch. Unless every individual on the planet is given an equal share it'll be unfair. From another direction, practically every coin is worthless at launch so everyone has an equal share, nothing. They gain value for many reasons including one you're intimately familiar with, FUD, but when it comes to another you seem to have a blind spot that causes you quite a lot of butthurt where Dash is concerned, merit.

Dashers FUD = Facts Uncovering Deception.

Unreasonable and misleading comparisons again trying to justify the scam.

What about animals? what about trees? What about aliens? What about creatures from other dimensions???  they all may want crypto currency??   - that's about how unreasonable your argument is? by your reasoning nothing can be distributed fairly ever by human means?? Dashers arguments grow more crazy by the day. They throw around these crazy questions and statements trying to divert from the facts that evans  deliberately held out other miners from this board from mining. The adjusted minting so they had less chance of mining later too.

1. is it reasonable to delay coin launch until every person on earth has a mining rig and is available at launch? = no because most are not interested in crypto currency, how will you reach everyone to tell them, etc etc etc..

2 is it reasonable to advertise the launch of a crypto currency on a crypto currency related board and give everyone a fair chance to mine with a reasonable diff scaling and block reward ?= YES most launches do this and at the time xcoin/dark was released 99% of launches were following a fair launch protocol.

DARKCOIN/dashcoin deliberately went against all rules of the fair launch protocol which were in place to ensure fair chance at mining. = deliberate scam.



We've been through it all before. Dash is a scam, darkcoin is a scam, xcoins is a scam. People defending, promoting , enabling scams who know it is a scam = scammers.

If you are reading this and have been dashed.... I advise contacting your local authorities. There is ample evidence on this board to bring these people to justice.

[generalizethis]

The numbers and the design of a cryptosystem aren't my opinion, and dash's faulty design using those standards isn't opinion--

This sounds like your implying either that Dash has a faulty design, or that the instamine was by design.

Either way, please enlighten us with some facts. As I've said before, you would be doing Dash a favor.

I'm saying that the launch was, by the standards used for cryptosystems to create the most decentralized emissions as possible, (time, rate, ect.), bad in comparison with other coins.

There are facts (timing, false promises, absence of windows miner) that lend themselves to this being intentional, but either intentional or not, the result is a coin that is very likely centralized when compared with coins using better methods to assure a wider group of miners over a longer period of time. Again, the user is forced to play the odds with cryptosystems, and coins that have huge emissions over short time-frames offer the worst odds of decentralization.

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

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The problem is that Satoshi envisioned it as decentralized and technically sound--dash is neither.

Didn't take long for you to turn up with your unsubstantiated allegations and general trolling did it? How long do you think you can stay even vaguely on topic this time? Read the title, "Progress", ie. not constant repetitions of history you re-posted several thousand times at this stage. Dash had a rough start, get over it. Its no secret and the only people that seem to give a shit are you and your cronies that insist on disrupting Dash threads, either post something useful or GTFO and go back to siring up trouble over Bitcoins blocksize.

Dash Nation... progress... yeah, entities, the kind of thing that enables users to keep anonymous internet scumbags at a distance. Not mentioned in the Evolution whitepaper but it's one of the fancy tricks you can do with them.

https://www.dash.org/binaries/evo/DashPaper-v13-v1.pdf

I know it's off topic but how are you legendary with your activity less than 300? 

Not getting into the Dash debate but it's interesting to watch from the sidelines.

Thank you for your interest. It's going to take some time to put the kids to bed, but we'll get there. The facts are on our side.

[qwizzie]

I'm proud to be part of Dash Nation and i'm looking forward to seeing Dash shifting into higher gears soon.
Priceless values that any selfrespecting cryptocurrency should have and uphold :

* Investing time, money and energy into Research & Development to make their cryptocurrency competitive and relevant
** Providing detailed roadmaps where people can see with where they are currently and where they are going towards
*** Providing solid feedback over multiple communication channels towards its own community

Dash has all these primary values firmly covered :

* https://dashtalk.org/forums/official-developer-thread.15/
** https://dashtalk.org/forums/official-announcements.54/
*** https://www.dash.org/community/

questions to you, the casual reader : does your own cryptocurrency have and uphold these values as well ? in other words : does your cryptocurrency invest time, money and energy into R & D ?
does you community get regular and detailed feedback or do you constantly have to chase them for information ? does your cryptocurrency have roadmaps and are they met in a timely manner ?

[cryptohunter]

How can this dash spammer be continue?

Here let me try again. Read it. You are saying simply because you have no 100% specific numbers it can't have happened Smiley okay

Let's take a look at the first 5 h of Darkcoin (XCoin at that time)...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4589219#msg4589219
Edufield said (after failed launch) that he will wait the next day to launch DRK (XCoin at that time) it is 11 pm.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4591407#msg4591407
Edufield disregard windows wallet and daemon and hurry up his launch, presumably to not have windows miners on board.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4592827#msg4592827
Edufield say he added four nodes for the launch at 4 am (5 hours later, despite his promise to wait). The 4 nodes from Edufield are 3 amazons AWS + another unknown (whois IP). Launch started at 3h54 am.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593601#msg4593601
Edufield said the github version was not updated, nobody could compile and only Edufield was able to mine until that time. It is 5.09 am and Edufield instamined alone 1153 block at 500 DRK + 60 block at reward 277 = 593120 DRK for him alone in about 1 hour.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593987#msg4593987
No windows wallet confirmed at 5h47 am, despite a user attempt to make one avaiable, that Edufield dismissed quickly.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4594096#msg4594096
Illodin, understand dev has instamined alot of coin.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4595573#msg4595573
From this list of nodes, at 8h34 am (4h40 after launch) there were 50 Amazon AWS node and 50 microsoft cloud computing instamining DRK (checked using IP whois service). This is 100/124 nodes using cloud computing to instamine DRK. We are at block 2870 and block reward is 500. From block 1153-1729 block reward is 277. After that it is 500 again hence 2294 block at 500 + 576 at 277 = 1306552 DRK (worth about 13M$ now) were instamined in less than 5 hour by Edufield and coworkers using about 100 cloud mining instances. Edufield himself instamined in not even 5 h from 600K to 1169K DRK ((1306K-600K)*100/124 + 600K) depending how many of the 100 cloud mining instance were its own. All this while having purposefully set the difficult ridiculously low and block reward 100 times what it is now.


SCAM = unfair and dishonest scheme = dash


This latest defence is so strange. Where are the victims ? what are you talking about it is there in black and white.

1. everyone who was told it was a fair launch LIKE ALL THE OTHER LAUNCHES AT THE TIME. - then prevented from mining fairly = scammed
2. everyone who was told there would be much more opportunity to mine ( then that got slashed by 75%) - prevented from mining the coins that were then taken away = scammed.

here are your victims.

3. everyone buying now thinking dash can go somewhere not knowing the scam it is will forever hold it back = being scammed.


Every dasher on here trying to scam others into supporting your scam = scammers.

I will be updating my scammers thread to add all of your names to it.

Denying a scam after it is proven time and time again to you in black and white = scam enabler and defender = scammer.

Once again, thank you for bringing SOME facts about the events of 48 hours two years ago. It helps to know where you came from, and that no one is perfect.

Unfortunately for you and your school-boy bullies, nothing in your long-winded post proves any evidence of bad intent, just a spin on the facts to serve your interests.

Evan had a youthful exuberance, when coupled with a lack of experience caused some mistakes to be made.

The facts are that he is almost universally accepted as a genius and a very fine, upstanding person. I am proud to be on his team, as are the rest of Dash Nation to a man (or woman).

Please, I implore you, bring something new and positive to the conversation. This constant negativity won't win you any friends here...

You're welcome Taoway.

1. EVANS?? he is considered a NON genius  by most high level devs on here and a scammer by the majority of the crypto community . However, I think he seems hmmm to just be greedy and selfish and isn't as bad as I originally thought. He scammed got caught and offered an airdrop. However the fact the other dash whales said no sealed the fate of Dash to always and forever to be considered a scam. DASH the scheme is a scam. Simple as that.

2. The fact you are proud to support a scam even though in black and white it has been proven one is not a thing you should boast about.
The is no dash nation. It is core of scammers with some innocent investors who have been roped into it. Hopefully they will exit with a profit and either keep their gains or invest in other coins with a better future due to having no scam start to hold them back. Leaving the scammers with bags of worthless scam coins.

You can not expect huge adoption and any kind of mainstream use for dash with the scam start it has when there are many other coins with no scam start that offer the same or greater services.

Taoway. I know you feel bad about causing dash so much trouble in the past and bringing to light all of their dark tricks and scams. However, you should feel good about it and put your energy into something else. Unless you have a time machine dash scam is tainted now and forever.

That's a lot of "scam"s, pal. Say it a few more times and you will rival the amount of times Allen Iverson said "practice" in one of my favorite sports videos.

https://youtu.be/eGDBR2L5kzI

Unfortunately, repeating the same thing over and over and over again doesn't make it true either.

To your other point, I say if Dash isn't popular outside of Dash Nation, it's because you and your well-wishers have been allowed to spread the false narrative from the beginning.

As I've said before, those days are over, my friend. Dash is a fantastic project, the closest one to becoming the Internet of Money.

No more lies. It's time to move forward. Progress. This is what Dash represents.

And who is Taoway?

My name is Tao Of Satoshi, which means "The Way of Satoshi", and that's what I'm representing here now.

 Dash is a true decentralized digital cash, and all are welcome.

haha these days are over?? Dashers days are coming to an end.

I hope every dash pumper on this board is eventually traced down and imprisoned for deliberately trying to mislead people into your scam. Once Evans is locked up I bet the rest of you will start to go very quiet. If you're not using tor or other means of hiding your real ID then I think you will be joining him. It's repulsive that you would use satoshi's name to promote your criminal activities.

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

The numbers and the design of a cryptosystem aren't my opinion, and dash's faulty design using those standards isn't opinion--

This sounds like your implying either that Dash has a faulty design, or that the instamine was by design.

Either way, please enlighten us with some facts. As I've said before, you would be doing Dash a favor.

I'm saying that the launch was, by the standards used for cryptosystems to create the most decentralized emissions as possible, (time, rate, ect.), bad in comparison with other coins.

There are facts (timing, false promises, absence of windows miner) that lend themselves to this being intentional, but either intentional or not, the result is a coin that is very likely centralized when compared with coins using better methods to assure a wider group of miners over a longer period of time. Again, the user is forced to play the odds with cryptosystems, and coins that have huge emissions over short time-frames offer the worst odds of decentralization.

Disagree. Prove to me that, as of the time you write your next post and continue to bump this pro-Dash thread, that Dash is centralized. Don't forget, I told you in the other thread, my grandmother runs a Masternode...

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

How can this dash spammer be continue?

Here let me try again. Read it. You are saying simply because you have no 100% specific numbers it can't have happened Smiley okay

Let's take a look at the first 5 h of Darkcoin (XCoin at that time)...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4589219#msg4589219
Edufield said (after failed launch) that he will wait the next day to launch DRK (XCoin at that time) it is 11 pm.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4591407#msg4591407
Edufield disregard windows wallet and daemon and hurry up his launch, presumably to not have windows miners on board.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4592827#msg4592827
Edufield say he added four nodes for the launch at 4 am (5 hours later, despite his promise to wait). The 4 nodes from Edufield are 3 amazons AWS + another unknown (whois IP). Launch started at 3h54 am.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593601#msg4593601
Edufield said the github version was not updated, nobody could compile and only Edufield was able to mine until that time. It is 5.09 am and Edufield instamined alone 1153 block at 500 DRK + 60 block at reward 277 = 593120 DRK for him alone in about 1 hour.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4593987#msg4593987
No windows wallet confirmed at 5h47 am, despite a user attempt to make one avaiable, that Edufield dismissed quickly.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4594096#msg4594096
Illodin, understand dev has instamined alot of coin.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4595573#msg4595573
From this list of nodes, at 8h34 am (4h40 after launch) there were 50 Amazon AWS node and 50 microsoft cloud computing instamining DRK (checked using IP whois service). This is 100/124 nodes using cloud computing to instamine DRK. We are at block 2870 and block reward is 500. From block 1153-1729 block reward is 277. After that it is 500 again hence 2294 block at 500 + 576 at 277 = 1306552 DRK (worth about 13M$ now) were instamined in less than 5 hour by Edufield and coworkers using about 100 cloud mining instances. Edufield himself instamined in not even 5 h from 600K to 1169K DRK ((1306K-600K)*100/124 + 600K) depending how many of the 100 cloud mining instance were its own. All this while having purposefully set the difficult ridiculously low and block reward 100 times what it is now.


SCAM = unfair and dishonest scheme = dash


This latest defence is so strange. Where are the victims ? what are you talking about it is there in black and white.

1. everyone who was told it was a fair launch LIKE ALL THE OTHER LAUNCHES AT THE TIME. - then prevented from mining fairly = scammed
2. everyone who was told there would be much more opportunity to mine ( then that got slashed by 75%) - prevented from mining the coins that were then taken away = scammed.

here are your victims.

3. everyone buying now thinking dash can go somewhere not knowing the scam it is will forever hold it back = being scammed.


Every dasher on here trying to scam others into supporting your scam = scammers.

I will be updating my scammers thread to add all of your names to it.

Denying a scam after it is proven time and time again to you in black and white = scam enabler and defender = scammer.

Once again, thank you for bringing SOME facts about the events of 48 hours two years ago. It helps to know where you came from, and that no one is perfect.

Unfortunately for you and your school-boy bullies, nothing in your long-winded post proves any evidence of bad intent, just a spin on the facts to serve your interests.

Evan had a youthful exuberance, when coupled with a lack of experience caused some mistakes to be made.

The facts are that he is almost universally accepted as a genius and a very fine, upstanding person. I am proud to be on his team, as are the rest of Dash Nation to a man (or woman).

Please, I implore you, bring something new and positive to the conversation. This constant negativity won't win you any friends here...

You're welcome Taoway.

1. EVANS?? he is considered a NON genius  by most high level devs on here and a scammer by the majority of the crypto community . However, I think he seems hmmm to just be greedy and selfish and isn't as bad as I originally thought. He scammed got caught and offered an airdrop. However the fact the other dash whales said no sealed the fate of Dash to always and forever to be considered a scam. DASH the scheme is a scam. Simple as that.

2. The fact you are proud to support a scam even though in black and white it has been proven one is not a thing you should boast about.
The is no dash nation. It is core of scammers with some innocent investors who have been roped into it. Hopefully they will exit with a profit and either keep their gains or invest in other coins with a better future due to having no scam start to hold them back. Leaving the scammers with bags of worthless scam coins.

You can not expect huge adoption and any kind of mainstream use for dash with the scam start it has when there are many other coins with no scam start that offer the same or greater services.

Taoway. I know you feel bad about causing dash so much trouble in the past and bringing to light all of their dark tricks and scams. However, you should feel good about it and put your energy into something else. Unless you have a time machine dash scam is tainted now and forever.

That's a lot of "scam"s, pal. Say it a few more times and you will rival the amount of times Allen Iverson said "practice" in one of my favorite sports videos.

https://youtu.be/eGDBR2L5kzI

Unfortunately, repeating the same thing over and over and over again doesn't make it true either.

To your other point, I say if Dash isn't popular outside of Dash Nation, it's because you and your well-wishers have been allowed to spread the false narrative from the beginning.

As I've said before, those days are over, my friend. Dash is a fantastic project, the closest one to becoming the Internet of Money.

No more lies. It's time to move forward. Progress. This is what Dash represents.

And who is Taoway?

My name is Tao Of Satoshi, which means "The Way of Satoshi", and that's what I'm representing here now.

 Dash is a true decentralized digital cash, and all are welcome.

haha these days are over?? Dashers days are coming to an end.

I hope every dash pumper on this board is eventually traced down and imprisoned for deliberately trying to mislead people into your scam. Once Evans is locked up I bet the rest of you will start to go very quiet. If you're not using tor or other means of hiding your real ID then I think you will be joining him. It's repulsive that you would use satoshi's name to promote your criminal activities.

Your contribution to thread bumps has been noted. Thanks!

[Shrikez]

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The problem is that Satoshi envisioned it as decentralized and technically sound--dash is neither.

Didn't take long for you to turn up with your unsubstantiated allegations and general trolling did it? How long do you think you can stay even vaguely on topic this time? Read the title, "Progress", ie. not constant repetitions of history you re-posted several thousand times at this stage. Dash had a rough start, get over it. Its no secret and the only people that seem to give a shit are you and your cronies that insist on disrupting Dash threads, either post something useful or GTFO and go back to siring up trouble over Bitcoins blocksize.

Dash Nation... progress... yeah, entities, the kind of thing that enables users to keep anonymous internet scumbags at a distance. Not mentioned in the Evolution whitepaper but it's one of the fancy tricks you can do with them.

https://www.dash.org/binaries/evo/DashPaper-v13-v1.pdf

I know it's off topic but how are you legendary with your activity less than 300? 

Not getting into the Dash debate but it's interesting to watch from the sidelines.

Thank you for your interest. It's going to take some time to put the kids to bed, but we'll get there. The facts are on our side.

Would you be so kind as to post a concise list of the most important facts of Dash? Please Avoid Capitalized Marketing buzzwords, Allergic to Marketing. (PACMAM principle)

I admit to being strongly biased against Dash but maybe that can be swayed and I promise to listen although I have no time for forum back and forth.

[stan.distortion]

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Would you be so kind as to post a concise list of the most important facts of Dash? Please Avoid Capitalized Marketing buzzwords, Allergic to Marketing. (PACMAM principle)

I admit to being strongly biased against Dash but maybe that can be swayed and I promise to listen although I have no time for forum back and forth.

Toa will probably be along with something better in a mo but the vid series is a good place to start, I think they present things well without any real bias but I'd be interested in hearing your impression.

https://www.dash.org/dash-video-series/

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

Well we're off to a great start in the future of Dash. Standing up to spin doctors can galvanize an organization.

The facts will prevail in this thread. I have to go live some life now, but I'll be back later.

Thank you for bearing with us, and giving us the opportunity to set the record straight.

For more Dash information, see the following sites:

www.dash.org

www.RebelMouse.com/dashnation

https://dashtalk.org

Onwards and upwards,

Tao (Dash Nation Campaign Founder)

[generalizethis]

The numbers and the design of a cryptosystem aren't my opinion, and dash's faulty design using those standards isn't opinion--

This sounds like your implying either that Dash has a faulty design, or that the instamine was by design.

Either way, please enlighten us with some facts. As I've said before, you would be doing Dash a favor.

I'm saying that the launch was, by the standards used for cryptosystems to create the most decentralized emissions as possible, (time, rate, ect.), bad in comparison with other coins.

There are facts (timing, false promises, absence of windows miner) that lend themselves to this being intentional, but either intentional or not, the result is a coin that is very likely centralized when compared with coins using better methods to assure a wider group of miners over a longer period of time. Again, the user is forced to play the odds with cryptosystems, and coins that have huge emissions over short time-frames offer the worst odds of decentralization.

Disagree. Prove to me that, as of the time you write your next post and continue to bump this pro-Dash thread, that Dash is centralized. Don't forget, I told you in the other thread, my grandmother runs a Masternode...

If you disagree that a system that uses a shorter time-frame to mine more coins is more likely to be decentralized than a coin that uses a longer time-frame to mine less coins, you are logically challenged.

As for proving dash is centralized, you are requiring me to trust that it isn't, and that's the problem. Given the launch, it makes it less likely than most POW coins, but no one can say beyond a shadow of doubt if it is or isn't, but if forced to bet my cash or my life, I'm going with the one that offers the best odds--dash doesn't.

You can choose to trust the dash devs and those that claim the coins were redistributed, but don't lie to yourself, or to anyone else, and argue that that is the most probable or likely case.

[qwizzie]

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Would you be so kind as to post a concise list of the most important facts of Dash? Please Avoid Capitalized Marketing buzzwords, Allergic to Marketing. (PACMAM principle)

I admit to being strongly biased against Dash but maybe that can be swayed and I promise to listen although I have no time for forum back and forth.

Toa will probably be along with something better in a mo but the vid series is a good place to start, I think they present things well without any real bias but I'd be interested in hearing your impression.

https://www.dash.org/dash-video-series/

I agree, a lot of information about Dash can be gathered from those videos. It will just take some time to digest them all...  

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

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The problem is that Satoshi envisioned it as decentralized and technically sound--dash is neither.

Didn't take long for you to turn up with your unsubstantiated allegations and general trolling did it? How long do you think you can stay even vaguely on topic this time? Read the title, "Progress", ie. not constant repetitions of history you re-posted several thousand times at this stage. Dash had a rough start, get over it. Its no secret and the only people that seem to give a shit are you and your cronies that insist on disrupting Dash threads, either post something useful or GTFO and go back to siring up trouble over Bitcoins blocksize.

Dash Nation... progress... yeah, entities, the kind of thing that enables users to keep anonymous internet scumbags at a distance. Not mentioned in the Evolution whitepaper but it's one of the fancy tricks you can do with them.

https://www.dash.org/binaries/evo/DashPaper-v13-v1.pdf

I know it's off topic but how are you legendary with your activity less than 300? 

Not getting into the Dash debate but it's interesting to watch from the sidelines.

Thank you for your interest. It's going to take some time to put the kids to bed, but we'll get there. The facts are on our side.

Would you be so kind as to post a concise list of the most important facts of Dash? Please Avoid Capitalized Marketing buzzwords, Allergic to Marketing. (PACMAM principle)

I admit to being strongly biased against Dash but maybe that can be swayed and I promise to listen although I have no time for forum back and forth.

I appreciate the opportunity. What exactly would you like to know? I'll be back later to read and I'll prepare it for you. Maybe I can convince you to join Dash Nation...

Later, Tao

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

The numbers and the design of a cryptosystem aren't my opinion, and dash's faulty design using those standards isn't opinion--

This sounds like your implying either that Dash has a faulty design, or that the instamine was by design.

Either way, please enlighten us with some facts. As I've said before, you would be doing Dash a favor.

I'm saying that the launch was, by the standards used for cryptosystems to create the most decentralized emissions as possible, (time, rate, ect.), bad in comparison with other coins.

There are facts (timing, false promises, absence of windows miner) that lend themselves to this being intentional, but either intentional or not, the result is a coin that is very likely centralized when compared with coins using better methods to assure a wider group of miners over a longer period of time. Again, the user is forced to play the odds with cryptosystems, and coins that have huge emissions over short time-frames offer the worst odds of decentralization.

Disagree. Prove to me that, as of the time you write your next post and continue to bump this pro-Dash thread, that Dash is centralized. Don't forget, I told you in the other thread, my grandmother runs a Masternode...

If you disagree that a system that uses a shorter time-frame to mine more coins is more likely to be decentralized than a coin that uses a longer time-frame to mine less coins, you are logically challenged.

As for proving dash is centralized, you are requiring me to trust that it isn't, and that's the problem. Given the launch, it makes it less likely than most POW coins, but no one can say beyond a shadow of doubt if it is or isn't, but if forced to bet my cash or my life, I'm going with the one that offers the best odds--dash doesn't.

You can choose to trust the dash devs and those that claim the coins were redistributed, but don't lie to yourself, or to anyone else, and argue that that is the most probable or likely case.

Open source. Period. The code is there for all to see. No trust required. Do you even do crypto?

EDIT: Sorry, you're talking about the distribution. Once again, you're entitled to your opinion, but there are no facts that indicate Dash is centralized, as is your contention.

[generalizethis]

The numbers and the design of a cryptosystem aren't my opinion, and dash's faulty design using those standards isn't opinion--

This sounds like your implying either that Dash has a faulty design, or that the instamine was by design.

Either way, please enlighten us with some facts. As I've said before, you would be doing Dash a favor.

I'm saying that the launch was, by the standards used for cryptosystems to create the most decentralized emissions as possible, (time, rate, ect.), bad in comparison with other coins.

There are facts (timing, false promises, absence of windows miner) that lend themselves to this being intentional, but either intentional or not, the result is a coin that is very likely centralized when compared with coins using better methods to assure a wider group of miners over a longer period of time. Again, the user is forced to play the odds with cryptosystems, and coins that have huge emissions over short time-frames offer the worst odds of decentralization.

Disagree. Prove to me that, as of the time you write your next post and continue to bump this pro-Dash thread, that Dash is centralized. Don't forget, I told you in the other thread, my grandmother runs a Masternode...

If you disagree that a system that uses a shorter time-frame to mine more coins is more likely to be decentralized than a coin that uses a longer time-frame to mine less coins, you are logically challenged.

As for proving dash is centralized, you are requiring me to trust that it isn't, and that's the problem. Given the launch, it makes it less likely than most POW coins, but no one can say beyond a shadow of doubt if it is or isn't, but if forced to bet my cash or my life, I'm going with the one that offers the best odds--dash doesn't.

You can choose to trust the dash devs and those that claim the coins were redistributed, but don't lie to yourself, or to anyone else, and argue that that is the most probable or likely case.

Open source. Period. The code is there for all to see. No trust required. Do you even do crypto?

EDIT: Sorry, you're talking about the distribution. Once again, you're entitled to your opinion, but there are no facts that indicate Dash is centralized, as is your contention.

Your wrong, the facts indicate that dash is most likely one of the most centralized coins in existence, barring ICOs --just because that can't be made with 100% assurance, hardly makes the fact that it is the most likely outcome opinion. Again, trustless systems should be made as trustless as possible in all regards and not force the user to trust in the honesty of salesmen and developers.

Calling the most likely scenario opinion misses that I'm pointing out the most likely scenario based on the available facts, and mining 30% of the available supply in two days is what leads to this scenario, not any bias on my part. I can just as easily say, prove dash is decentralized and have you unable to prove it one way or the other, but we can certainly come to likely possibility given the facts.

[stan.distortion]

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Your wrong, the facts indicate that dash is most likely one of the most centralized coins in existence, barring ICOs --just because that can't be made with 100% assurance, hardly makes the fact that it is the most likely outcome opinion. Again, trustless systems should be made as trustless as possible in all regards and not force the user to trust in the honesty of salesmen and developers.

Calling the most likely scenario opinion misses that I'm pointing out the most likely scenario based on the available facts, and mining 30% of the available supply in two days is what leads to this scenario, not any bias on my part. I can just as easily say, prove dash is decentralized and have you unable to prove it one way or the other, but we can certainly come to likely possibility given the facts.

That might as well be comparing apples and oranges, all forms of distribution are crap to some degree and we can't even quantify fairness but pretty much every crypto is in a fairly narrow band of high crappyness. Can Bitcoin turn around tomorrow and say they're going to up the total supply to 21 billion so everyone can start with a fair share? Not fecking likely but if it made obvious sense for Dash to do something like that it could, the governance really does work that well.

[generalizethis]

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Your wrong, the facts indicate that dash is most likely one of the most centralized coins in existence, barring ICOs --just because that can't be made with 100% assurance, hardly makes the fact that it is the most likely outcome opinion. Again, trustless systems should be made as trustless as possible in all regards and not force the user to trust in the honesty of salesmen and developers.

Calling the most likely scenario opinion misses that I'm pointing out the most likely scenario based on the available facts, and mining 30% of the available supply in two days is what leads to this scenario, not any bias on my part. I can just as easily say, prove dash is decentralized and have you unable to prove it one way or the other, but we can certainly come to likely possibility given the facts.

That might as well be comparing apples and oranges, all forms of distribution are crap to some degree and we can't even quantify fairness but pretty much every crypto is in a fairly narrow band of high crappyness. Can Bitcoin turn around tomorrow and say they're going to up the total supply to 21 billion so everyone can start with a fair share? Not fecking likely but if it made obvious sense for Dash to do something like that it could, the governance really does work that well.

Pardoning yourself with the "everyone is crappy" card hardly excuses dash; it has one of the worst launches of any POW, and expecting people to not criticize it, or even accept it, as par for the course misses that most coins did a better job and have a more trustless model for decentralization--now couple that with the suspicious actions by Evan, you have to be more than a little chimerical to think more than a few people will think the worst possibility is the most likely one--that Evan intentionally instamined 2million coins and still controls most of them, if not more through masternode control.

I'm comparing dash's launch to other coins that claim no premine or ICO, and it doesn't compare well--no amount of "no distribution is perfect" talk will make it a valid dismissal unless coins go back in time and have as terrible or worse launches.

You don't get to change the standards to fit the circumstances of your investment.