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May 05, 2016, 07:52:50 PM
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agree, shill bidding is purely for the aim to extort additional funds from forum members and bang out of order.

If you have a minimum price in mind set a clear reserve or start price.
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May 07, 2016, 01:06:29 PM
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Shill bidding is bad and I would drop a negative on someone for it. There is just no justification for doing it other than being greedy.

It also looks bad for him, I think a innocent person would say that they did not do it and are innocent.  He asks how can they say he was involved.   So kinda shady on that  part.

I just came across this thread after searching the Meta section for my name. Anyway, how can you say that I'm involved in cheating an auction? I bought the account at the BIN price because that seemed pretty cheap for a Member account.

Above is just part of quote go above for full


Well, yeah, an innocent person would also file charges for false allegations. If I said that I didn't do it, what are the odds of him believing me? He'll probably raise up some other affiliation like followed comments etc. so I just asked him a straightforward question.

This is a internet forum a innocent person would not go file charges over this.  But they would deny it and say they did not do it, which you still have not did.   Not say how do you know I did it? I think and that is just my 2cents.

Are you denying doing it?  Or just denying no one has proved it?
I denied doing it and I explained myself in the first post.

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June 04, 2016, 05:18:20 PM
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I also think this is bad, added about this in the list I created earlier.

Hey, So I saw someone in the auction who cheated in raising the bid with his alt. Is it allowed here or should the user be penalized for this?

How do you "penalize" users around bitcointalk ? Isn't "negative rep" the term you are looking for ?  I don't think raising bids by the Alt should be a problem.Eventually he will end up having the highest bid with his product unsold.

Not necessarily. He'll likely just use it to bump up the price then contact the other highest bidders and offer them it if the price is reasonable. I would leave negative if there was reasonable evidence for the behaviour.

Shill bidding is bad and I would drop a negative on someone for it. There is just no justification for doing it other than being greedy.

Hope you guys stay true to your words..

Account auctioning goods: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=329021
Shill account used to up the bid: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=361617

Auction thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1073157.0 archive: http://archive.is/sEJ9R

Shill account uses this address 1LN3DgFutZDzUnovVKFvTBeFYvHcwWVE9k here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11060213#msg11060213

Account auctioning goods uses this address 18Qu6rym9WA3G1GJEWZSPn8ifA1eckMtdC here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1364280.msg13878564%23msg13878564

Archive: http://archive.is/bRVTc and http://archive.is/lXdFR#selection-1975.0-1975.34

Both connected here: https://blockchain.info/tx/d1960da7baecf24175a8fc8a27ea54f501a5a635fd58d6a484387c1ac1aae0d3

Account one also tips his own shill account here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11060237#msg11060237  Cheesy
https://blockchain.info/tx/161fdbc9636a04ca226af1c39aa2e3af0f727c79614695f73d9bbe73e3d4377b

He has done other auctions as well, I guess it is safe to assume, he probably would have done the same other times also with different alts.

 

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June 04, 2016, 06:06:39 PM
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They should be penalized.

x10 the difference between the highest bid before the shill bid and the shill bid to mods*. Grin

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June 04, 2016, 06:14:05 PM
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That is a interesting idea of having the account pay a penalty for misrepresenting themselves in a auction.
Making it double the amount they are seeking should stop higher accounts from doing it but what about the lower accounts which many use to hide behind?

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June 04, 2016, 06:20:20 PM
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Apart from the bidding part,the shill account is accused of running Ponzi's with multiple negative feedbacks.How soon should we wait to see the main account tagged by this reference ? Twister it would be nicer if you make a thread in the scam accusations thread.

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June 04, 2016, 08:15:41 PM
Last edit: June 08, 2016, 10:31:20 AM by ibminer
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I also think this is bad, added about this in the list I created earlier.

Hey, So I saw someone in the auction who cheated in raising the bid with his alt. Is it allowed here or should the user be penalized for this?

How do you "penalize" users around bitcointalk ? Isn't "negative rep" the term you are looking for ?  I don't think raising bids by the Alt should be a problem.Eventually he will end up having the highest bid with his product unsold.

Not necessarily. He'll likely just use it to bump up the price then contact the other highest bidders and offer them it if the price is reasonable. I would leave negative if there was reasonable evidence for the behaviour.

Shill bidding is bad and I would drop a negative on someone for it. There is just no justification for doing it other than being greedy.

Hope you guys stay true to your words..

Account auctioning goods: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=329021
Shill account used to up the bid: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=361617

Auction thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1073157.0 archive: http://archive.is/sEJ9R

Shill account uses this address 1LN3DgFutZDzUnovVKFvTBeFYvHcwWVE9k here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11060213#msg11060213

Account auctioning goods uses this address 18Qu6rym9WA3G1GJEWZSPn8ifA1eckMtdC here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1364280.msg13878564%23msg13878564

Archive: http://archive.is/bRVTc and http://archive.is/lXdFR#selection-1975.0-1975.34

Both connected here: https://blockchain.info/tx/d1960da7baecf24175a8fc8a27ea54f501a5a635fd58d6a484387c1ac1aae0d3

Account one also tips his own shill account here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11060237#msg11060237  Cheesy
https://blockchain.info/tx/161fdbc9636a04ca226af1c39aa2e3af0f727c79614695f73d9bbe73e3d4377b

He has done other auctions as well, I guess it is safe to assume, he probably would have done the same other times also with different alts.

Quoting for reference.

EDIT: Seems shady but I can't continue research at the moment, will review more later.

Also uses alt to triple-dip in a .02BTC free giveaway by BiPolarBob
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869442.msg9630834#msg9630834
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869442.msg9630692#msg9630692
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869442.msg9630803#msg9630803

https://blockchain.info/address/1QJGeUZ49RTczix8bsv1VLmcynsjPzmHZp
coins end up back to 18Qu6rym9WA3G1GJEWZSPn8ifA1eckMtdC

After conducting these shady activities, he sells off his accounts to scammers.
This is why you should not farm or trade accounts.
This guy is not a trustworthy person in my book.

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June 05, 2016, 01:22:48 AM
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Well, you nailed him with the tx you posted. "Both connected here: https://blockchain.info/tx/d1960da7baecf24175a8fc8a27ea54f501a5a635fd58d6a484387c1ac1aae0d3"





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June 05, 2016, 04:17:24 AM
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I also think this is bad, added about this in the list I created earlier.

Hey, So I saw someone in the auction who cheated in raising the bid with his alt. Is it allowed here or should the user be penalized for this?

How do you "penalize" users around bitcointalk ? Isn't "negative rep" the term you are looking for ?  I don't think raising bids by the Alt should be a problem.Eventually he will end up having the highest bid with his product unsold.

Not necessarily. He'll likely just use it to bump up the price then contact the other highest bidders and offer them it if the price is reasonable. I would leave negative if there was reasonable evidence for the behaviour.

Shill bidding is bad and I would drop a negative on someone for it. There is just no justification for doing it other than being greedy.

Hope you guys stay true to your words..

Account auctioning goods: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=329021
Shill account used to up the bid: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=361617

Auction thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1073157.0 archive: http://archive.is/sEJ9R

Shill account uses this address 1LN3DgFutZDzUnovVKFvTBeFYvHcwWVE9k here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11060213#msg11060213

Account auctioning goods uses this address 18Qu6rym9WA3G1GJEWZSPn8ifA1eckMtdC here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1364280.msg13878564%23msg13878564

Archive: http://archive.is/bRVTc and http://archive.is/lXdFR#selection-1975.0-1975.34

Both connected here: https://blockchain.info/tx/d1960da7baecf24175a8fc8a27ea54f501a5a635fd58d6a484387c1ac1aae0d3

Account one also tips his own shill account here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg11060237#msg11060237  Cheesy
https://blockchain.info/tx/161fdbc9636a04ca226af1c39aa2e3af0f727c79614695f73d9bbe73e3d4377b

He has done other auctions as well, I guess it is safe to assume, he probably would have done the same other times also with different alts.

Quoting for reference.

EDIT: Seems shady but I can't continue research at the moment, will review more later.
It checks out, although I haven't checked if the account had been sold in the relevant time period, I doubt it though (I wouldn't be surprised if the shill account was sold prior to starting that ponzi though).

I won't personally leave trust in this case as the amount in question is only ~$1, and I wouldn't personally not release collateral over $1 if I was personally owed money and I wouldn't let $1 hold up a deal. I wouldn't exclude anyone who does leave him negative trust from my trust network though.

Regardless I think Alex.onfire should refund tidus1097 the 0.005 if he can get an address of his.
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June 05, 2016, 09:08:08 AM
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I've updated my post... he also used the alt to double-dip in a free giveaway by BiPolarBob.

Greed has consumed this one.  Cry

https://youtu.be/P_RVL7m7OLo

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June 05, 2016, 03:56:00 PM
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I've updated my post... he also used the alt to double-dip in a free giveaway by BiPolarBob.

Greed has consumed this one.  Cry
If you think that "only" double-dipping in BPB's giveaways is greedy, then you should take a look at this
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June 05, 2016, 05:45:53 PM
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Apart from the bidding part,the shill account is accused of running Ponzi's with multiple negative feedbacks.How soon should we wait to see the main account tagged by this reference ? Twister it would be nicer if you make a thread in the scam accusations thread.

I would have, he has another alt https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=205560 which also has negative trust but then there is always the alibi that the account was sold, even though sales can be faked. Person selling the account can buy the account themselves with an escrow in between.

I've updated my post... he also used the alt to double-dip in a free giveaway by BiPolarBob.

Greed has consumed this one.  Cry

https://youtu.be/P_RVL7m7OLo

He Triple-dipped actually and that's just unhygienic. Angry

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869442.msg9630834#msg9630834 Archive: http://archive.is/FBlPp#selection-6345.0-6338.4
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Interesting... so since they are now linked to kaykawa, I assume its safe to now link alesx.onfire & betterangels to this list:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1329109.0

Looks like kaykawa can also be linked to txbtc, txbtc can be linked to JosIzem and you can see all of the alts of JosIzem

So how far does this rabbit hole go??  Undecided


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i remember seeing back dipping in the forums when the auctions were crazy busy.  if the bidding got higher quick, someone would try sneaking in a lower amount and hope that the only person that catches it is the next bidder, thus bringing the price back down to where that person could afford and maybe the others had moved on from the auction.  Sometimes worked, anyone that caught claimed a mistake or mistype
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Interesting... so since they are now linked to kaykawa, I assume its safe to now link alesx.onfire & betterangels to this list:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1329109.0

Looks like kaykawa can also be linked to txbtc, txbtc can be linked to JosIzem and you can see all of the alts of JosIzem

So how far does this rabbit hole go??  Undecided

I'd say all the way down to china. But wait for the "account changed hands" argument, ain't no way to counter that.

 

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June 07, 2016, 01:27:54 AM
Last edit: June 07, 2016, 02:18:15 AM by alesx.onfire
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I received "Kaykawa & betterangels" from default loans years ago.
Months ago i sold both accounts.

I used escrow, i can show the proof & signed msg. (shorena & sebastianju)

I don't know why are you calling "scammer"?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1329109.0

Betterangels :

Coins released

-> https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/95415c2a52acf26507f32385e60c185034723363a1f26a2400c96e49582f1be2

enjoy.

Email and password changed. Looks like everyhing is done.

Account secured?

Thank you for perfect deal.

So how can I get access to my purchased account?
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I already send it to you, here:

and the link for pot. acct.: http://www.bctalkaccountpricer.info/?token=necr598t
archive: https://archive.is/RFhh0

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User : betterangels
Pass : changeme123
No secret question

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2)https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=807195.msg9050330#msg9050330

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Hi, this is betterangels (soanip95) from bitcointalk.org
Today (02/26/2016) I'm selling my account (betterangels) senior member 240+ (potential hero 505+) to mihtju for 0.12 ("shorena" as escrow).

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Coins, login details and signature are on the way... Smiley

In case you want to tip me, see my donation jar in my profile page... (Left side of page... click on my username) or simply scan the QR-Code from my avatar picture. Wink

I would appreciate when you could post a review on my service thread, that i finally opened. Smiley Its located at [ANN] SebastianJu - Free Legendary Escrow Service - Escrowed over 8150 BTC.

I use http://www.cointape.com/ for checking out if the network gets spammed and i adjust the fee accordingly. If the network doesnt gets spammed i mostly use no fee or the minimum fee because the transaction then gets a confirmation fast too.

Till next time... Wink

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Sounds ok.
Waiting for the login details
Thank you.

There is a working signature from a post that was last edited on 10.11.2014. Should be pretty sure that this account is not hacked.

Posts 750, activity around 450.

Post quality is not so good, mostly only a couple of words though that doesn't matter to you since you don't want to join a signature campaign i guess.

It's a Sr. Member.

No default trust feedback, and untrusted positive feedback.

Let me know if you are fine with that account, then i can change pass and make a wrong email, then send it to you and you can secure it by changing pass again.

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Account info, password and signed message sent to the escrow.


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Payment has been made.

Yes, that fee works fine though a tenth of the fees worked fine before too. Bitcoin is losing slowly one of it's sales arguments which are free transactions. I think that is not good for adoption. Well, if they are successfull then it only will become worse. :/

Let's see how it will go. Smiley

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idk know guys, blockchain is working fine for me, fast confirmations with 0.0001 fee.


Yeah, these guys that want to keep 1MB blockchain block in order to force the transaction fees to go up are unfortunately successfull. I never thought the developers would think so too. It's sad for bitcoin. :/

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Waiting for few hours on one blokchain transaction to come in, delayed unluckaley.
Hoping for it to come in in the next hours. Will send the payment as soons as the transaction clears

Such an old signed message sounds pretty safe. Waiting for funded escrow address.

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Buyer, what details should i check when i have the account in escrow? I would receive the account and secure them when the escrow address is funded. Then i can check the details you want me to check.

Is there a signed message? If so please seller provide it to me too and a link to the post where that address was posted first.

When answering PM's, please always use "Reply to all" so that all involved parties get informed. And keep the quotes so that all trading partners and the escrow know exactly what deal the pm is meant for.

The escrow address is:
Code:
1DASLJ89qU21H3oUZixxXJixv96rBo96p1
Please ONLY send to an escrow address i sent you directly. Dont send to quotes the seller claims i wrote. Only if i send you the address directly its ensured the address is correct. I will attach a signature whose message contains the escrow address, signed with an old address of mine, i posted may 2013 on bitcointalk. See my Servicethread: [ANN] SebastianJu - Free Legendary Escrow Service - Escrowed over 8150 BTC.

Before payment i would suggest you take a look at http://www.cointape.com/ to check out if the network gets spammed again. Below the graph there is shown what amount of fee is needed to get instant confirmation for a normal transaction, which means a transaction with coins coming from one address, and going to two addresses. That would be the target address and the source or a change address where the remaining coins are sent to. Checking that page could prevent that transactions are stuck for hours or days because they dont get a confirmation.

The payment of the bitcoins can be found and proved the fastest way through blockchain.info or automatically by email through bitcoinmonitor.net.

In case you are new to bitcoin trades on the forum or with escrows, please don't sit before the browser and click reload all the time. That is doing no one. Deals will take some hours, often days too. Some other escrows only log in once a day or even less than that.

Seller, whats the bitcoin address i should release the Bitcoins later to? Please send that info to escrow and buyer so that its easily proven i sent to the correct address.

Please buyer and seller make an arrangement when the Bitcoins should be released by me. So that everyone has the same thoughts about it.

In case signed messages has to be verified, then its the fastest to visit http://wallet-2sx53n.sakurity.com/#verify. Then you can proove fast if a signature, given by me or the seller, is correct and so you know that the address is controlled by the one giving the signature.

Escrowfee is donation based... see my donation jar in my profile page... (Left side of page... click on my username) or simply scan the QR-Code from my avatar picture. Wink

Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
20160116 This is the escrow address for the trade from soanip95, as the seller to btc-surf, as the buyer and the escrow address is 1DASLJ89qU21H3oUZixxXJixv96rBo96p1
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1K2UFGCKyNQNx4h2m5ZRCaw9BWHTBcCZAA
G18MpvJzQKJy/dRbzX6XuzFUVrWiv1TUDcEEIjJ/1VCEQRlZRTNyv1Lp+bW4JldIrS1l6uH1vLUclAroqC1z6iI=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Message signed with an old address of mine, that i posted may 2013 on bitcointalk. See my Servicethread: [ANN] SebastianJu - Free Legendary Escrow Service - Escrowed over 8150 BTC.

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Hi,

Can you help us as escrow?

I'm the seller (soanip95), and the buyer (btc-surf)

I'll sell an account :

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No negative trust, no pending loans.
Signed message

Price : 0,27 BTC (@$100)

Please provide your btc address for this TX.

thanks



Thanks for the reply,

My btc address (seller/soanip95) is : 1Ctjt63DoB5umav1MM2gRZJpS1t9L1KbjA
The signed message will be from a post created in 2013, last edit in nov 2014.

@btc-surf: Send the btc to the escrow address.

thanks.

Also(that time, months ago) i was thinking in sell this (alesx.onfire) my main and only account, because i was in need of money.
But i didn't and i will never do that.

Hi guys, I'm going out of btc world for a while, and i have some overdue bills to pay, so, i'm selling my main account

alesx.onfire is my nick in all the internet forums, so, i'll no risk my reputation.
You can check for yourself (google).

This was my unique problem in the forum : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869002.0

I'm transparent, i'm not hiding anything.

(First let's solve this misunderstanding, after that we can talk about the bid issue (I know I was wrong) and the sanction).

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June 07, 2016, 03:28:54 AM
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snip****

This was my unique problem in the forum : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869002.0

I'm transparent, i'm not hiding anything.

(First let's solve this misunderstanding, after that we can talk about the bid issue (I know I was wrong) and the sanction).

So are you admitting you used a shill to bid up a auction?   You are kinda trying to move it down the road... but I think it is important and shows character of person.  It sounds like your admitting it just making sure.

Also what about the "double-dip in a free giveaway by BiPolarBob" do you admit to doing that?
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Last edit: June 07, 2016, 04:02:39 AM by alesx.onfire
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snip****

This was my unique problem in the forum : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869002.0

I'm transparent, i'm not hiding anything.

(First let's solve this misunderstanding, after that we can talk about the bid issue (I know I was wrong) and the sanction).

So are you admitting you used a shill to bid up a auction?   You are kinda trying to move it down the road... but I think it is important and shows character of person.  It sounds like your admitting it just making sure.

Also what about the "double-dip in a free giveaway by BiPolarBob" do you admit to doing that?

Giveaway?
Yes, I did it (that time I was "new" in the btc world), and as you can see my english isn't my native language. that time I just was looking a way to earn/get some satoshis, but don't doing scam or something illegal.

I was using a paid signature too (bitstars and after :bitmixer).

After some hours of reading about the community, btc and altcoins I stopped using my "account" to get some kind of income. (SPAM signature, the current big problem in the content in this forum).

Then I started using my signature with a NO-paid sig campaign, as you can see.

2nd, the bid issue, I did it too, but I was just one time. (The digital "batman" key, obtained as a gift from buying a nvidia card @ amazon.
.

Like I said, i'm very transparent, I could easily delete the post and hide the evidence months ago, but I didn't.

"who owes nothing fears nothing."

in this case : If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.


(sorry my bad english).

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snip****

This was my unique problem in the forum : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=869002.0

I'm transparent, i'm not hiding anything.

(First let's solve this misunderstanding, after that we can talk about the bid issue (I know I was wrong) and the sanction).

So are you admitting you used a shill to bid up a auction?   You are kinda trying to move it down the road... but I think it is important and shows character of person.  It sounds like your admitting it just making sure.

Also what about the "double-dip in a free giveaway by BiPolarBob" do you admit to doing that?

Giveaway?
Yes, I did it (that time I was "new" in the btc world), and as you can see my english isn't my native language. that time I just was looking a way to earn/get some satoshis, but don't doing scam or something illegal.

I was using a paid signature too (bitstars and after :bitmixer).

After some hours of reading about the community, btc and altcoins I stopped using my "account" to get some kind of income. (SPAM signature, the current big problem in the content in this forum).

Then I started using my signature with a NO-paid sig campaign, as you can see.

2nd, the bid issue, I did it too, but I was just one time. (The digital "batman" key, obtained as a gift from buying a nvidia card @ amazon.

It was the 1st "bid" without other bids behind, so idk...
.

Like I said, i'm very transparent, I could easily delete the post and hide the evidence months ago, but I didn't.

"who owes nothing fears nothing."

in this case : If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.


(sorry my bad english).


Quoting so it remains here.  You have to realize when breaking a giveaway rules and entering multiple times.... you are doing something wrong.    I don't think it can be blamed on language barrier.   You chances are can expect negative feedback... but not getting in trouble with forum's.

No shill bidding is going to make you look even worse.   It is again something I don't think a language barrier would make ok.  You have to know it is wrong to list a auction and bid it up.  Possible trouble with forums on this one not sure up to people much more powerful then me.

So we not have admitting to two not great things.  I think "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" tag is likely to stay given character shown with act's like that.  But who knows I could be wrong.
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June 07, 2016, 04:05:41 AM
Last edit: June 07, 2016, 04:15:55 AM by alesx.onfire
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They're asociating my account with scammer accounts, who scammed people with ponzi.

The proove is above, also you can ask to escrow ( sebastian and shorena).


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