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February 17, 2013, 04:09:56 AM
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TL;DR  2000 AsicMiner auction @ .38 BTC

Hello all,

I pretty much want to copy what Zefir has done here  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=142038.0


I will be selling 2000 of my AsicMiner shares. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.0




Bids need to start at .38 and go up by multiples of .01
You must bid in blocks that are divisible by 25  (ex, 25, 50, 100, 1375, 2000)
I'd like you to post in the thread but PM's are fine if you are an established member and want to be anon.
You must pay the escrow account with in 24 hours of receiving the BTC address. I am open as to who we use as escrow.




Auction starts now and ends (Tuesday, 2013-02-19 14:00 UTC). This can be extended if for example the bitcointalk.org server keeps crashing and no one can bid. I will be the judge if the auction needs to be extended but I hope that it will not be needed.

I also keep the right to cancel the auction for any reason. Sales will be final only once the BTC reaches escrow.




As many of you know I had a harsh last year and many if not all of my investments turned out to be bad. This sale of a portion of my shares will ensure a bit of finical stability for my family in the coming months.  I have high confidence that ASICMiner will do very well and I am not selling even half of my shares.


Friedcat knows about this auction and my shares have been confirmed. I will give him a list of who now holds the current shares and I hope he will automatically send them to you when they are listed on the exchange. If not, I will have to send them to you myself.


I will not get the escrowed money until you have the shares. Please if you are trusted in the community and wish to act as an escrow please contact me ASAP!


Local rules, you must stay on topic. If you want to ask off topic questions please PM me.


Thank you, Goat

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February 17, 2013, 04:16:02 AM
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We missed you around, goat.

PS: I can act as the escrow if  needed - I've done over 20 transactions as an escrow holder now.

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February 17, 2013, 04:31:28 AM
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We missed you around, goat.

PS: I can act as the escrow if  needed - I've done over 20 transactions as an escrow holder now.

Thanks, It is good to be back Smiley

I will accept your offer of acting as escrow. We could not have asked for better!


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February 17, 2013, 05:08:02 AM
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We I missed you around, goat.

PS: I can act as the escrow if  needed - I've done over 20 transactions as an escrow holder now.

Speak for yourself.

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February 17, 2013, 06:44:02 AM
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We missed you around, goat.

PS: I can act as the escrow if  needed - I've done over 20 transactions as an escrow holder now.

Thanks, It is good to be back Smiley

I will accept your offer of acting as escrow. We could not have asked for better!



I would hope with the doubts raised about your trustworthiness in the other thread you would be open to the option of a buyer picking a trustworthy escrow, no?  Not taking any sides, but I'm always hesitant when one side chooses an escrow immediately, and doubly so when the trustworthiness of the individual is called into question.
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February 17, 2013, 06:58:41 AM
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We missed you around, goat.

PS: I can act as the escrow if  needed - I've done over 20 transactions as an escrow holder now.

Thanks, It is good to be back Smiley

I will accept your offer of acting as escrow. We could not have asked for better!



I would hope with the doubts raised about your trustworthiness in the other thread you would be open to the option of a buyer picking a trustworthy escrow, no?  Not taking any sides, but I'm always hesitant when one side chooses an escrow immediately, and doubly so when the trustworthiness of the individual is called into question.

I understand you are new here but no. John is more than fine and trusted. Zefir did not question my trustworthiness only that sales should be made with trusted escrow, a point that I highly agree with. If you do not trust John than please do not buy. I highly doubt you would be able to find someone willing that the community trusts more than John.
 
I should not have let unestablished/unknown members participate in the auction but I guess it is too late to change the rules.

Best of luck.

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February 17, 2013, 07:05:10 AM
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200 @  @ 0.38
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February 17, 2013, 08:03:06 AM
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I would hope with the doubts raised about your trustworthiness in the other thread [...]

Dear goat, dear interested bidders,

I am sorry that my comment was understood in an unintended direction. That's what I posted in my auction thread:
Ah, that's Chaang who also posted his offer in IRC. He is going to sell those 2k only as a whole.

Just in case you have not been in the Bitcoin community for at least half a year, it is worth to check his history (which is long and fascinating) before you take that offer. Not going to post allegations here, just saying that whoever does should insist on escrow (that anyhow should become a general rule).

Writing it at the ending time of my auction I did not cross-read it before posting and failed to realize that it can be interpreted in a wrong way. Now it is there and can't be edited any more (auction forum rule). Reality is, I did some business with goat (or Chaang) in the past and he was one of the few that always kept his word.

The reason I put my note was a) the one bidding for my shares was a newbie, and b) that when I tried to contact Chaang not long ago, his account was banned from bitcointalk, so I assumed something went wrong behind the curtains. Now this is not the case anymore, if there were disputes they are obviously gone and I need to say sorry for raising dust  Embarrassed.

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I understand you are new here but no. John is more than fine and trusted. Zefir did not question my trustworthiness only that sales should be made with trusted escrow, a point that I highly agree with. If you do not trust John than please do not buy. I highly doubt you would be able to find someone willing that the community trusts more than John.
 
I should not have let unestablished/unknown members participate in the auction but I guess it is too late to change the rules.

Best of luck.

Zefir clarified, so my apologies, and I meant no offense to John.  My suspicions were aroused based on how I saw the whole thing unfold, and Zefir's comment.  I take what I said back.
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February 17, 2013, 09:01:54 AM
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Just to clarify that Chaang Noi was banned by theymos for repeated off-topic trollings, and was reinstated. I only knew that he was unbanned after he posted this thread, and my post above was to welcome him back as he was an active on the forums and IRC last year.

As for my part here, I've acted as an escrow holder for some time privately, and I've recently begun to offer my services publicly for tips. I've held funds from others amounting to over a thousand BTC now, and I'm not going anywhere soon.

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February 17, 2013, 09:29:20 AM
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75 @ 0.38

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PM #1


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I am a newbie so I can't post in your auction thread...

my bid is 25@0.45

thanks"

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February 17, 2013, 10:53:03 AM
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February 17, 2013, 11:23:41 AM
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I would like to make a small change to the auction. I would like to avoid snipers and would like to extend the the end time of the auction for 30 mins after the last bid. This means the auction will not end until there has been 30 mins with no new bids.

This should stop someone from getting all the shares at the last second.

Also about the past drama that has entered this thread you can read about it here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144614.0

Zefir thank you for clearing up the confusion but you are 100% correct to recommend escrow always be used. Even though I am "trusted" my account could have been hacked or taken over. Always be safe and trust no one!

Thanks guys.

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February 17, 2013, 11:41:53 AM
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PM #2

Hi Chaang Noi  Smiley

I would like to bid for 400 asicmining shares at 0.38 btc each for a total of 152 btc.

Regards,

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February 17, 2013, 05:10:20 PM
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25 @ 0.39
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February 17, 2013, 05:24:13 PM
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Soooo...Why's bidding starting at 380% of the IPO price?

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This is a  Auctions thread. You can't edit posts. And moderators can't do it too, I think...
Oh..oops, sorry for all the posts. Meant to edit my first one, but it appears the "edit" button is missing...  Undecided

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This is a  Auctions thread. You can't edit posts. And moderators can't do it too, I think...
Oh..oops, sorry for all the posts. Meant to edit my first one, but it appears the "edit" button is missing...  Undecided

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Ha, yeah so I noticed Undecided


Well anyway, back to the original question: Goat, why are you offering them at .38 when they were originally purchased at .1? What makes these 2000 shares so special that they require a 380% markup?

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This is a  Auctions thread. You can't edit posts. And moderators can't do it too, I think...
Oh..oops, sorry for all the posts. Meant to edit my first one, but it appears the "edit" button is missing...  Undecided

Mods, feel free to delete this post and the one before it with just the quote.

Ha, yeah so I noticed Undecided


Well anyway, back to the original question: Goat, why are you offering them at .38 when they were originally purchased at .1? What makes these 2000 shares so special that they require a 380% markup?

Because that's what the market rate is this week, there are a number of threads selling at higher prices.
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This is a  Auctions thread. You can't edit posts. And moderators can't do it too, I think...
Oh..oops, sorry for all the posts. Meant to edit my first one, but it appears the "edit" button is missing...  Undecided

Mods, feel free to delete this post and the one before it with just the quote.

Ha, yeah so I noticed Undecided


Well anyway, back to the original question: Goat, why are you offering them at .38 when they were originally purchased at .1? What makes these 2000 shares so special that they require a 380% markup?

My auction is still running in another thread and ASICMINER shares are currently going for 0.44BTC each, so please allow me to take the ball and answer your question.

When friedcat offered participation in his venture 6+ months ago, this was not more than a bet whether he could compete with the established players. Assume at that times you invested money in ASICMINER, BFL, Avalon and bASIC equally to diversify your risk. Today, ASICMINER won the race (ok, Avalon delivered first, but not to us mortals) and that's why you are asked to pay 300% risk surcharge - thats what you pay to someone else taking the risk for you.

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Can I be the one to point out the typo in the thread title?  2000 sahres.

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500 @ 0.4

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250 @ .38

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mb300sd4000.40
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wachtwoord250.39
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ghostshirt 750.38
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Please update my bid:
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And do not forget that this means
250 @ 0.38 # 14 + 150 @ 0.38 # 30
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BlackLilac 2000.38
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75 @ 0.39
(=29.25 total)

I think that increases of 0.01 are too high btw. considering that the starting price is just 0.38 per share and one has to buy in packs of 25 shares.

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Sukrim750.39
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BlackLilac 2000.38
ghostshirt 750.38
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Im sorry I have no idea how this works as an investment, is anyone willing to break it down for my feeble mind?
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100 @ 0.41
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wachtwoord250.39
Sukrim750.39
TradeFortress5000.39
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BlackLilac 2000.38
ghostshirt 750.38
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PM2 2000.38
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Vezunchik 1500.38
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You simply buying a small part of ASIC mining hardware working 24 h/7 days. (1/400 000 of ASICMiner power).
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.0

Im sorry I have no idea how this works as an investment, is anyone willing to break it down for my feeble mind?
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This is a  Auctions thread. You can't edit posts. And moderators can't do it too, I think...
Oh..oops, sorry for all the posts. Meant to edit my first one, but it appears the "edit" button is missing...  Undecided

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Ha, yeah so I noticed Undecided


Well anyway, back to the original question: Goat, why are you offering them at .38 when they were originally purchased at .1? What makes these 2000 shares so special that they require a 380% markup?
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Ah, sounds good. Thanks John.


Well anyway, back to the original question: Goat, why are you offering them at .38 when they were originally purchased at .1? What makes these 2000 shares so special that they require a 380% markup?

My auction is still running in another thread and ASICMINER shares are currently going for 0.44BTC each, so please allow me to take the ball and answer your question.

When friedcat offered participation in his venture 6+ months ago, this was not more than a bet whether he could compete with the established players. Assume at that times you invested money in ASICMINER, BFL, Avalon and bASIC equally to diversify your risk. Today, ASICMINER won the race (ok, Avalon delivered first, but not to us mortals) and that's why you are asked to pay 300% risk surcharge - thats what you pay to someone else taking the risk for you.

Right, I understand that...but that's surely not the only aspect going into this evaluation?

At 12TH/s (their starting projection before ramping up to 50TH/s or more), it's 30MH/s per share (400,000 shares). These 2000 shares up for offer are worth 60GH/s...in August 2012 (at IPO price of .1BTC), it was worth 200BTC, or $2,000 (at roughly $10 per BTC back then).

So now you're telling me that 6 months of risk (and BTC rallying) has resulted in $2,000 in shares suddenly becoming worth $20,500? [2000 shares x .38BTC minimum valuation x $27 USD/BTC]
Even at 50TH/s, it's only 125MH/s per share...2000 of which would result in 250GH/s. In my mind, I simply can't justify how that could be worth a minimum of 760 Bitcoins, even when factoring in risk...

Clearly there's something I'm missing...or maybe people bidding for these shares haven't done their math yet?

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Ah, sounds good. Thanks John.


Well anyway, back to the original question: Goat, why are you offering them at .38 when they were originally purchased at .1? What makes these 2000 shares so special that they require a 380% markup?

My auction is still running in another thread and ASICMINER shares are currently going for 0.44BTC each, so please allow me to take the ball and answer your question.

When friedcat offered participation in his venture 6+ months ago, this was not more than a bet whether he could compete with the established players. Assume at that times you invested money in ASICMINER, BFL, Avalon and bASIC equally to diversify your risk. Today, ASICMINER won the race (ok, Avalon delivered first, but not to us mortals) and that's why you are asked to pay 300% risk surcharge - thats what you pay to someone else taking the risk for you.

Right, I understand that...but that's surely not the only aspect going into this evaluation?

At 12TH/s (their starting projection before ramping up to 50TH/s or more), it's 30MH/s per share (400,000 shares). These 2000 shares up for offer are worth 60GH/s...in August 2012 (at IPO price of .1BTC), it was worth 200BTC, or $2,000 (at roughly $10 per BTC back then).

So now you're telling me that 6 months of risk (and BTC rallying) has resulted in $2,000 in shares suddenly becoming worth $20,500? [2000 shares x .38BTC minimum valuation x $27 USD/BTC]
Even at 50TH/s, it's only 125MH/s per share...2000 of which would result in 250GH/s. In my mind, I simply can't justify how that could be worth a minimum of 760 Bitcoins, even when factoring in risk...

Clearly there's something I'm missing...or maybe people bidding for these shares haven't done their math yet?

A number of factors:

At 0.1 BTC / share, there was significant risk - development problems for example, and nobody could predict if ASICMINER will be the first to market (they are definitely beating avalon's ASIC trickle).

The BTC price rally is a null point - higher BTC worth means that mining companies will make more USD income, and vice versa.
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And these aren't mining bonds but equity in a company.
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Right, I understand that...but that's surely not the only aspect going into this evaluation?

At 12TH/s (their starting projection before ramping up to 50TH/s or more), it's 30MH/s per share (400,000 shares). These 2000 shares up for offer are worth 60GH/s...in August 2012 (at IPO price of .1BTC), it was worth 200BTC, or $2,000 (at roughly $10 per BTC back then).

So now you're telling me that 6 months of risk (and BTC rallying) has resulted in $2,000 in shares suddenly becoming worth $20,500? [2000 shares x .38BTC minimum valuation x $27 USD/BTC]
Even at 50TH/s, it's only 125MH/s per share...2000 of which would result in 250GH/s. In my mind, I simply can't justify how that could be worth a minimum of 760 Bitcoins, even when factoring in risk...

Clearly there's something I'm missing...or maybe people bidding for these shares haven't done their math yet?

You're missing a whole bunch of things.  Here's the most obvious:

People aren't investing for the 12 TH/s they have now.  That would be like me claiming people investing in your mining company are investing for the ZERO TH/s you have now.

The investment is for the long-term value.  Where I disagree with you (and I KNOW we disagree - as you wouldn't have started your company if you agreed) is that I believe in the medium to long-term only companies with a significant edge of some kind will be able to make a profit from BTC mining.   That's because the barrier to entry to mining is so low that all the time it's profitable to do, more people will keep getting in.  And even when it becomes unprofitable more will STILL come in - those doing it for fun, those with an inability to do math and those running mining companies who take a cut of revenue and pass the losses on to investors.

Manufacturing your own ASICs is about the biggest such edge possible - when hardware costs 10% of what it costs competitors you have a massive advantage.  Add to that Chinese power/labour costs and you have a company that there's just no way the likes of you can compete against - they can mine profitably long after you're making a loss.

Not only do investors get that mining - but also a share of profits from sales to the mathematically challenged who mine or who run mining companies selling investment to those with even less ability in math.

That's what's being sold.

Oh - and if you DO want to look at just the first 12 GH/s, do remember that the 200k BitFountain get nothing until the other shares (the type being sold here) have got back their initial 0.1 BTC.  That adds just over .05 BTC to the value alone.
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People aren't investing for the 12 TH/s they have now.  That would be like me claiming people investing in your mining company are investing for the ZERO TH/s you have now.

Ha, touch Wink

The investment is for the long-term value.  Where I disagree with you (and I KNOW we disagree - as you wouldn't have started your company if you agreed) is that I believe in the medium to long-term only companies with a significant edge of some kind will be able to make a profit from BTC mining.   That's because the barrier to entry to mining is so low that all the time it's profitable to do, more people will keep getting in.  And even when it becomes unprofitable more will STILL come in - those doing it for fun, those with an inability to do math and those running mining companies who take a cut of revenue and pass the losses on to investors.

Manufacturing your own ASICs is about the biggest such edge possible - when hardware costs 10% of what it costs competitors you have a massive advantage.  Add to that Chinese power/labour costs and you have a company that there's just no way the likes of you can compete against - they can mine profitably long after you're making a loss.

I think the majority of the valuation comes from the fact that profits (and dividends along with it) are going to enormous until both Avalon and BFL kick it into gear, combined with the long term prospects (assuming ASICMiner continues to develop more advanced hardware as the years go on).

That said, I still agree with you on pretty much all the points made..and I, personally, value long term investments quite a bit more. But I do know most Bitcoin investors tend to have a short attention span, which is why I kept my company's mining fund more on the medium term Cheesy ..the security that starts after the bond holders are paid back is the long term part of my company Wink

Anyway, I digressed. TL;DR - I see the points made, and although I agree that they add value I am still wary about the price tag for such a valuation.

Thanks for laying it out there, Deprived Smiley

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Sukrim750.39
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Someone mess up here?

500 @ 0.4

Thanks for doing this while I was sleeping.  Smiley

NameNumber of sharespps
PM1250.45
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mb300sd4000.40
Sal002250.39
wachtwoord250.39
Sukrim750.39
TradeFortress5000.39
ahdinosaur1250.38
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ghostshirt 750.38
Vezunchik 2500.38
PM2 2000.38
-------OUTBID------------------------
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PM1250.45
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mb300sd5000.40
Sal002250.39
wachtwoord250.39
Sukrim750.39
TradeFortress5000.39
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ghostshirt 750.38
Vezunchik 2500.38
PM2 750.38
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Thanks for doing this while I was sleeping.  Smiley

No problem.


That was me, sorry. But I see it's fixed already.
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I'm starting to wonder if BFL never ships and Avlon never ships how many BTC will ASICMiner have in a year?

Avalon clearly is having issues with it's first batch (like only a prototype) and BFL is always 4 to 6 weeks (no prototype)?

Hmm...

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"Sory, I must have read over that.

PLS make it 50 for 0,45 each."

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I would like to raise my bid to 400 @ 0.39"

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225 @ 0.41

All old bids are now void?

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Can we get an updated list please?

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75 @ 0.40 (update)

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Well...
May be you think anybody can bid 2К for 1 BTC per share (or more realistic 0.6-0.7) and at the last moment say "All old bids are now void"?
Of course no!
But if you want...
250 @ 0.38 # 14
150 @ 0.38 # 28
225 @ 0.41 # 53
And do not forget that 14 and 28 were outbid when I was making 53.


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Please, do not do it next time. You have changed post numbers which define bids priority order. It is very easy to restore order, but anyone (me Smiley ) can make mistake after such changes.

This is a  Auctions thread. You can't edit posts. And moderators can't do it too, I think...
Oh..oops, sorry for all the posts. Meant to edit my first one, but it appears the "edit" button is missing...  Undecided

Mods, feel free to delete this post and the one before it with just the quote.

Ha, yeah so I noticed Undecided


Well anyway, back to the original question: Goat, why are you offering them at .38 when they were originally purchased at .1? What makes these 2000 shares so special that they require a 380% markup?
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Please, do not do it next time. You have changed post numbers which define bids priority order. It is very easy to restore order, but anyone (me Smiley ) can make mistake after such changes.

This is a  Auctions thread. You can't edit posts. And moderators can't do it too, I think...
Oh..oops, sorry for all the posts. Meant to edit my first one, but it appears the "edit" button is missing...  Undecided

Mods, feel free to delete this post and the one before it with just the quote.

Ha, yeah so I noticed Undecided


Well anyway, back to the original question: Goat, why are you offering them at .38 when they were originally purchased at .1? What makes these 2000 shares so special that they require a 380% markup?
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The next posts will just move up, and not affecting the order at all. The original posts deleted were posts of duplicate content.

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And as I said - deleting messages here is a bad ides - my bid 200 @ 0.39 # 52 was sorted out by my script...
So full bid is
250 @ 0.38 # 14
150 @ 0.38 # 28
200 @ 0.39 # 52
225 @ 0.41 # 53

Well...
May be you think anybody can bid 2К for 1 BTC per share (or more realistic 0.6-0.7) and at the last moment say "All old bids are now void"?
Of course no!
But if you want...
250 @ 0.38 # 14
150 @ 0.38 # 28
225 @ 0.41 # 53
And do not forget that 14 and 28 were outbid when I was making 53.



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Not order, but numbers stored out of here... And it is not worth time - just forget - everything is ok.
The next posts will just move up, and not affecting the order at all. The original posts deleted were posts of duplicate content.
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I will buy a popcorn and watch this thread in 20 hours.

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Post            Rised up       Name            Amount          Price per share Shares left     Shares bought  
16YesPM #24000,38-17250
12Yesghostshirt750,38-13250
28Vezunchik1500,38-12500
27keystroke2500,38-11000
14Vezunchik2500,38-8500
8BlackLilac2000,38-6000
5ahdinosaur1250,38-4000
52Vezunchik2000,39-2750
51PM #24000,39-75325
49Vezunchik750,3932575
34TradeFortress5000,39400500
31Sukrim750,3990075
28wachtwoord250,3997525
56ghostshirt750,4100075
26mb300sd5000,41075500
53Vezunchik2250,411575225
34,1TradeFortress1000,411800100
50PM 3500,45190050
13PM #1250,45195025
44xiangfu250,5197525
5000
Can we get an updated list please?
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Post            Rised up       Name            Amount          Price per share Shares left     Shares bought  
16YesPM #24000,38-17250
12Yesghostshirt750,38-13250
28Vezunchik1500,38-12500
27keystroke2500,38-11000
14Vezunchik2500,38-8500
8BlackLilac2000,38-6000
5ahdinosaur1250,38-4000
52Vezunchik2000,39-2750
51PM #24000,39-75325
49Vezunchik750,3932575
34TradeFortress5000,39400500
31Sukrim750,3990075
28wachtwoord250,3997525
56ghostshirt750,4100075
26mb300sd5000,41075500
53Vezunchik2250,411575225
34,1TradeFortress1000,411800100
50PM 3500,45190050
13PM #1250,45195025
44xiangfu250,5197525
5000
Can we get an updated list please?

I was in message #17 for 0.39 for 25 - why am I not listed?
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I was in message #17 for 0.39 for 25 - why am I not listed?

Post            Rised up        Name            Amount          Price per share Shares left     Shares bought   
16YesPM #24000,38-18500
12Yesghostshirt750,38-14500
28Vezunchik1500,38-13750
25keystroke2500,38-12250
14Vezunchik2500,38-9750
8BlackLilac2000,38-7250
5ahdinosaur1250,38-5250
52Vezunchik2000,39-4000
51PM #24000,39-200200
49Vezunchik750,3920075
34TradeFortress5000,39275500
31Sukrim750,3977575
26wachtwoord250,3985025
17sal002250,3987525
64gyverlb1000,4900100
56ghostshirt750,4100075
24mb300sd5000,41075500
53Vezunchik2250,411575225
34,1TradeFortress1000,411800100
50PM 3500,45190050
13PM #1250,45195025
44xiangfu250,5197525

Do not forget that it is not official list. I do it for myself and post it here free of charge Smiley.
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250 @ 0.38 # 14
150 @ 0.38 # 28
200 @ 0.39 # 52
225 @ 0.41 # 53
175 @ 0.41 # this
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Thanks for doing it Vezunchik. Do you have a tip address?
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Post            Rised up        Name            Amount          Price per share Shares left     Shares bought   
52Vezunchik2000,39-5750
51PM #24000,39-37525
49Vezunchik750,392575
34TradeFortress5000,39100500
31Sukrim750,3960075
26wachtwoord250,3967525
17sal002250,3970025
64gyverlb1000,4725100
56ghostshirt750,482575
24mb300sd5000,4900500
67Vezunchik1750,411400175
53Vezunchik2250,411575225
34,1TradeFortress1000,411800100
50PM 3500,45190050
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44xiangfu250,5197525
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Tip address? What is it? If you mean bitcoin network address - I've added it to my signature. But I thought that you will need it only after this auction ends... Some misunderstanding may be... Undecided
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And let "yours" PM #2 know that he is almost outbid Smiley
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200 @ .39
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50 @ 0.4

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"Hi, newbie status here so I can't post in thread, but I am interested in 25 shares @ 0.41.

Thank you."

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About 7 1/2 hours until the auction will close (assuming no bids in the last 30 mins).

+++Reminder if there are bids in the last 30 mins, the auction will get extended 30 mins from the last bid. +++

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I'd like to bid on your auction of ASICMINER shares. I don't have a reputation in this community as I was only  quietly reading until now but I hope my bid will be honored.

100 @ 0.41

The 41 BTC are ready to be sent to escrow as soon as the auction ends.

Thanks"

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Could someone update please? I am not sure what to bid  Huh

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Hi Goat,

Nice to see you again.

25@0.5 available ?

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Hi Goat,

Nice to see you again.

25@0.5 available ?

Hi, it is great to be back:)

That is a fine bid.

I am working on an update so the bids are clear. Just a sec Smiley

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IRC #1

750 @ .45

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Data should be right, the lower half are the bids that count.

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Post               Rised up           Name               Amount             Price per share
52      Vezunchik   200   0,39
51      PM #2   400   0,39
49      Vezunchik   75   0,39
34      TradeFortress   500   0,39
31      Sukrim   75   0,39
26      wachtwoord   25   0,39
17      sal002   25   0,39
74      Bogart   50   0,4
73      BlackLilac   200   0,4
64      gyverlb   100   0,4
56      ghostshirt   75   0,4
X   X   XX   X   X
      Lower is valid.       
            
24      mb300sd   500   0,4
77      PM #5   100   0,41
75      PM #4   25   0,41
67      Vezunchik   175   0,41
53      Vezunchik   225   0,41
34      TradeFortress   100   0,41
81      IRC #1   750   0,45
50      PM 3   50   0,45
13      PM #1   25   0,45
70      server   25   0,5
44      xiangfu   25   0,5

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150 @ .42
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PostRised upNameAmountPrice per shareShares leftShares bought
56ghostshirt750.4-2250
24mb300sd5000.4-150350
77PM51000.41350100
75PM4250.4145025
67Vezunchik1750.41475175
53Vezunchik2250.41650225
34.1TradeFortress1000.41875100
83BlackLilac1500.42975150
81IRC #17500.451125750
50PM 3500.45187550
13PM #1250.45192525
79server250.5195025
44xiangfu250.5197525
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Please update as,
25 @ 0.40
50 @ 0.41

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75 @ 0.42

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125 @ 0.42
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Server is having issues. If this keeps up the auction might get extended.

If the server is fine then about 2 hours left.

Thanks.

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100 @ 0.43

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24      mb300sd   50   0,4
77      PM #5   100   0,41
75      PM #4   25   0,41
67      Vezunchik   175   0,41
53      Vezunchik   225   0,41
34      TradeFortress   100   0,41
87      Aajo   125   0,42
86      gyverlb   75   0,42
83      BlackLilac   150   0,42
89      wisard   100   0,43
81      IRC #1   750   0,45
50      PM 3   50   0,45
13      PM #1   25   0,45
70      server   25   0,5
44      xiangfu   25   0,5



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Please update:
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24      mb300sd   25   0,4
77      PM #5   100   0,41
75      PM #4   25   0,41
67      Vezunchik   175   0,41
53      Vezunchik   225   0,41
34      TradeFortress   100   0,41
87      Aajo   125   0,42
86      gyverlb   75   0,42
83      BlackLilac   150   0,42
89      wisard   100   0,43
81      IRC #1   750   0,45
50      PM 3   50   0,45
13      PM #1   25   0,45
91      xiangfu   25   0,5
70      server   25   0,5
32      xiangfu   25   0,5

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77      PM #5   75   0,41
75      PM #4   25   0,41
67      Vezunchik   175   0,41
53      Vezunchik   225   0,41
34      TradeFortress   100   0,41
87      Aajo   125   0,42
86      gyverlb   75   0,42
83      BlackLilac   150   0,42
93      ghostshirt   50   0,43
89      wisard   100   0,43
81      IRC #1   750   0,45
50      PM 3   50   0,45
13      PM #1   25   0,45
91      xiangfu   25   0,5
70      server   25   0,5
32      xiangfu   25   0,5

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77   50   0,41   PM #5
75   25   0,41   PM #4
67   175   0,41   Vezunchik
53   225   0,41   Vezunchik
34   100   0,41   TradeFortress
95   25   0,42   wachtwoord
87   125   0,42   Aajo
86   75   0,42   gyverlb
83   150   0,42   BlackLilac
93   50   0,43   ghostshirt
89   100   0,43   wisard
81   750   0,45   IRC #1
50   50   0,45   PM 3
13   25   0,45   PM #1
91   25   0,5   xiangfu
70   25   0,5   server
32   25   0,5   xiangfu

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Breaking related news. BFL will ship a few this month maybe but only if all goes well. lol.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/85-perennial-question-when-will-my-order-ship.html

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#   $   N   O
25   0,41   PM #4   75
175   0,41   Vezunchik   67
225   0,41   Vezunchik   53
100   0,41   TradeFortress   34
50   0,42   ThickAsThieves   98
25   0,42   wachtwoord   95
125   0,42   Aajo   87
75   0,42   gyverlb   86
150   0,42   BlackLilac   83
50   0,43   ghostshirt   93
100   0,43   wisard   89
750   0,45   IRC #1   81
50   0,45   PM 3   50
25   0,45   PM #1   13
25   0,5   xiangfu   91
25   0,5   server   70
25   0,5   xiangfu   32

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250 @ 0.38 # 14
150 @ 0.38 # 28
200 @ 0.39 # 52
225 @ 0.41 # 53
175 @ 0.41 # 67
25  @ 0.42 # this
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25   @   0,41   #   75   ;;   PM #4
175   @   0,41   #   67   ;;   Vezunchik
225   @   0,41   #   53   ;;   Vezunchik
100   @   0,41   #   34   ;;   TradeFortress
50   @   0,42   #   98   ;;   ThickAsThieves
25   @   0,42   #   95   ;;   wachtwoord
125   @   0,42   #   87   ;;   Aajo
75   @   0,42   #   86   ;;   gyverlb
150   @   0,42   #   83   ;;   BlackLilac
50   @   0,43   #   93   ;;   ghostshirt
100   @   0,43   #   89   ;;   wisard
750   @   0,45   #   81   ;;   IRC #1
50   @   0,45   #   50   ;;   PM 3
25   @   0,45   #   13   ;;   PM #1
25   @   0,50   #   91   ;;   xiangfu
25   @   0,50   #   70   ;;   server
25   @   0,50   #   32   ;;   xiangfu


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PM #5  (second bid)

"Hi Mate

I'm not 100% sure but I assume my bid was accepted as "PM #5"? If so, thank you very much!

Also I'd like to update the bid:

100 @ 0.43

Thanks"

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300 @ 0.42

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February 19, 2013, 01:25:53 PM

I have already bid 100@ 0.43

Also making one more bid:

100 @ 0.42

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add 300 @ 0.42
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300 @ 0.42

300 @ 0.42 + 100 @ 0.43

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50 @ .43
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25   @   0,42   #   104      wisard
300   @   0,42   #   103      HorseRider
50   @   0,42   #   98   ;;   ThickAsThieves
25   @   0,42   #   95   ;;   wachtwoord
125   @   0,42   #   87   ;;   Aajo
75   @   0,42   #   86   ;;   gyverlb
150   @   0,42   #   83   ;;   BlackLilac
100   @   0,43   #   106      HorseRider
100   @   0,43   #   102      PM#5
50   @   0,43   #   93   ;;   ghostshirt
100   @   0,43   #   89   ;;   wisard
750   @   0,45   #   81   ;;   IRC #1
50   @   0,45   #   50   ;;   PM 3
25   @   0,45   #   13   ;;   PM #1
25   @   0,5   #   91   ;;   xiangfu
25   @   0,5   #   70   ;;   server
25   @   0,5   #   32   ;;   xiangfu

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PM #4   (Second Bid)

"I'd like to update my bid to 25 @ 0.43. Thanks."

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250   @   0,42   #   103   ;;   HorseRider
50   @   0,42   #   98   ;;   ThickAsThieves
25   @   0,42   #   95   ;;   wachtwoord
125   @   0,42   #   87   ;;   Aajo
75   @   0,42   #   86   ;;   gyverlb
150   @   0,42   #   83   ;;   BlackLilac
25   @   0,43   #   109   ;;   PM#4
50   @   0,43   #   107   ;;   ThickAsThieves
100   @   0,43   #   106   ;;   HorseRider
100   @   0,43   #   102   ;;   PM#5
50   @   0,43   #   93   ;;   ghostshirt
100   @   0,43   #   89   ;;   wisard
750   @   0,45   #   81   ;;   IRC #1
50   @   0,45   #   50   ;;   PM 3
25   @   0,45   #   13   ;;   PM #1
25   @   0,5   #   91   ;;   xiangfu
25   @   0,5   #   70   ;;   server
25   @   0,5   #   32   ;;   xiangfu

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February 19, 2013, 01:46:56 PM

I already have a bid of 100 @ 0.43

Adding 100 @ 0.43 more.

Thanks.

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150   @   0,42   #   103   ;;   HorseRider
50   @   0,42   #   98   ;;   ThickAsThieves
25   @   0,42   #   95   ;;   wachtwoord
125   @   0,42   #   87   ;;   Aajo
75   @   0,42   #   86   ;;   gyverlb
150   @   0,42   #   83   ;;   BlackLilac
100   @   0,43   #   111      wisard
25   @   0,43   #   109   ;;   PM#4
50   @   0,43   #   107   ;;   ThickAsThieves
100   @   0,43   #   106   ;;   HorseRider
100   @   0,43   #   102   ;;   PM#5
50   @   0,43   #   93   ;;   ghostshirt
100   @   0,43   #   89   ;;   wisard
750   @   0,45   #   81   ;;   IRC #1
50   @   0,45   #   50   ;;   PM 3
25   @   0,45   #   13   ;;   PM #1
25   @   0,5   #   91   ;;   xiangfu
25   @   0,5   #   70   ;;   server
25   @   0,5   #   32   ;;   xiangfu

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Okay the normal time for this auction has ended. You now have the opportunity to make a bid 30 mins from the last bid. That was at XX:46:56  So you have about 15 mins to make a new bid.

Thank you. 

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I am going to call it. Escrow contract is coming soon.

Keep in mind you are not forced to use escrow. You can pay me directly and we can have our own contract.

Also if you do not like the contract do not pay, just let me know. I am not going to force you to do something you do not want.

However if you pay that means you consent to the rules of the contract so read it!

Thank you.

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Here is the contract. You will each get a PM with your specific address.


Asic-Miner auction and escrow contract.

 Please read the following carefully and please ask any questions BEFORE sending any bitcoin. Sending bitcoin means you agree to these terms.

If you do not agree to these terms please do NOT send bitcoin and message me that you no longer wish to have the shares. There is no punishment for rejecting this contract other than not having the ability to claim shares.

You will need to send BTC to your address found at the lower part of the contract. This address is the escrow address and it is being held by John(JohntheDong). If you do not trust John and do not wish to use him as escrow we can make the trade without escrow.

You are buying my claimed ASICMiner shares.

Once I have the shares I will send them to John and he will thus send them to you. This will be done because it is hard to prove to John that I did send out the shares if I send them directly.

Assuming this can not happen Friedcat will have to directly and publicly hand out the shares to the buyer.


Once John has the shares the BTC must be released to me to one of the following address. I will tell John what address I wish the coins sent to at the time. Using more than one address lets me have a wallet destroyed with out losing the coins.

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Because you are buying the claimed shares, if something unfortunate should happen and the shares are never sent to me BTC can not be refunded. You can not get a refund for acts of God or something outside of my control. If friedcat was hit by a bus, or if the Internet in China goes off line forever this is not in my control. If friedcat sends out the shares later than 19th April for any reason, I reserve the right to request and obtain the escrowed Bitcoins from John. I will still be obligated to send to john if I ever receive them in the future. 

John only has the option to return BTC to the buyers if and only if I refuse to send the shares I have received to John.

To avoid coins being locked in escrow forever at anytime and for any reason a buyer or myself can give permission to release the funds to the other party. John will have to make sure you are the true owner so please only send funds from an address you hold. Do not send funds from a Mt. Gox address for example.

If John feels the need for a 3rd party to assist him in making a decision John, Myself and the buyers must agree on who that third party is. We must have 100% consent from all involved if there is any variation from this contract.

Even if the coins are lost or destroyed  even by an act of God John has the obligation to pay in full. John by participating in this escrow agrees to receive a scammers tag if he does not pay the coins back 100% with in 2 weeks after the criteria for the transfer of the BTC has been met. 

Because it is your option to use escrow I will not send the shares if it is public knowledge that John is unable to release the BTC. If John is hit by a bus or whatever you must take that risk when you take the option to use escrow.


By sending coins to your address you agree to the terms of this contract.

You payment address is XXXXXXSSSXXXXSSXXX

Please make sure the address in your contract is the same address as the one John listed in the Auction thread.



Reminder: John(JohntheDong) is providing this escrow service for no charge and is taking personal risk to do so. Please do not forget to send him a tip. Please use the BTC address found in his sig NOT the address you are making payments to.

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February 19, 2013, 02:37:23 PM

And where are my bids:
250 @ 0.38 # 14
150 @ 0.38 # 28
200 @ 0.39 # 52
225 @ 0.41 # 53
175 @ 0.41 # 67
25  @ 0.42 # 100
300 @ 0.42 # 105

Huh

Wnners bids
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And where are my bids:
250 @ 0.38 # 14
150 @ 0.38 # 28
200 @ 0.39 # 52
225 @ 0.41 # 53
175 @ 0.41 # 67
25  @ 0.42 # 100
300 @ 0.42 # 105

Huh

Wnners bids

Hmm, I think you are right. You should have 150 shares at .42  that is my mistake. HorseRider should not.

My mistake.



Please double check this!!

150   @   0,42   #   103   ;;   Vezunchik
50   @   0,42   #   98   ;;   ThickAsThieves
25   @   0,42   #   95   ;;   wachtwoord
125   @   0,42   #   87   ;;   Aajo
75   @   0,42   #   86   ;;   gyverlb
150   @   0,42   #   83   ;;   BlackLilac
100   @   0,43   #   111      wisard
25   @   0,43   #   109   ;;   PM#4
50   @   0,43   #   107   ;;   ThickAsThieves
100   @   0,43   #   106   ;;   HorseRider
100   @   0,43   #   102   ;;   PM#5
50   @   0,43   #   93   ;;   ghostshirt
100   @   0,43   #   89   ;;   wisard
750   @   0,45   #   53      IRC #1
50   @   0,45   #   50   ;;   PM 3
25   @   0,45   #   13   ;;   PM #1
25   @   0,5   #   91   ;;   xiangfu
25   @   0,5   #   70   ;;   server
25   @   0,5   #   32   ;;   xiangfu

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I think this is right, please double check!  This is the total i think you owe.

Vezunchik   63
ThickAsThieves   42.5
wachtwoord   10.5
Aajo   52.5
gyverlb   31.5
BlackLilac   63
wisard   86
PM#4   10.75
ThickAsThieves   21.5
HorseRider   43
PM#5   43
ghostshirt   21.5
IRC #1   337.5
PM # 3   22.5
xiangfu   25
server   25
xiangfu   25
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Here is the contract. You will each get a PM with your specific address.


Asic-Miner auction and escrow contract.

 Please read the following carefully and please ask any questions BEFORE sending any bitcoin. Sending bitcoin means you agree to these terms.

If you do not agree to these terms please do NOT send bitcoin and message me that you no longer wish to have the shares. There is no punishment for rejecting this contract other than not having the ability to claim shares.

You will need to send BTC to your address found at the lower part of the contract. This address is the escrow address and it is being held by John(JohntheDong). If you do not trust John and do not wish to use him as escrow we can make the trade without escrow.

You are buying my claimed ASICMiner shares.

Once I have the shares I will send them to John and he will thus send them to you. This will be done because it is hard to prove to John that I did send out the shares if I send them directly.

Assuming this can not happen Friedcat will have to directly and publicly hand out the shares to the buyer.


Once John has the shares the BTC must be released to me to one of the following address. I will tell John what address I wish the coins sent to at the time. Using more than one address lets me have a wallet destroyed with out losing the coins.

13twB8MBNxbjMDvHrXdyh15T2ZKfsEhz8g

1Au1PEH71fsKfhgHSGN77CmH9tVmURriAY

1NShakJyWU5cBtrdGbRYyJzzE1KJTM1jPo


Because you are buying the claimed shares, if something unfortunate should happen and the shares are never sent to me BTC can not be refunded. You can not get a refund for acts of God or something outside of my control. If friedcat was hit by a bus, or if the Internet in China goes off line forever this is not in my control. If friedcat sends out the shares later than 19th April for any reason, I reserve the right to request and obtain the escrowed Bitcoins from John. I will still be obligated to send to john if I ever receive them in the future. 

John only has the option to return BTC to the buyers if and only if I refuse to send the shares I have received to John.

To avoid coins being locked in escrow forever at anytime and for any reason a buyer or myself can give permission to release the funds to the other party. John will have to make sure you are the true owner so please only send funds from an address you hold. Do not send funds from a Mt. Gox address for example.

If John feels the need for a 3rd party to assist him in making a decision John, Myself and the buyers must agree on who that third party is. We must have 100% consent from all involved if there is any variation from this contract.

Even if the coins are lost or destroyed  even by an act of God John has the obligation to pay in full. John by participating in this escrow agrees to receive a scammers tag if he does not pay the coins back 100% with in 2 weeks after the criteria for the transfer of the BTC has been met. 

Because it is your option to use escrow I will not send the shares if it is public knowledge that John is unable to release the BTC. If John is hit by a bus or whatever you must take that risk when you take the option to use escrow.


By sending coins to your address you agree to the terms of this contract.

You payment address is XXXXXXSSSXXXXSSXXX

Please make sure the address in your contract is the same address as the one John listed in the Auction thread.



Reminder: John(JohntheDong) is providing this escrow service for no charge and is taking personal risk to do so. Please do not forget to send him a tip. Please use the BTC address found in his sig NOT the address you are making payments to.

I agree to the statement above, and please note that on the event friedcat chooses to list on MPOE I am excusing myself to hold the shares from Chaang Noi (the details can be discussed if this unfortunately occurs) due to the fees involved in creating an account there. I'm already providing a low cost service for the time and risks involved, and I certainly don't want to pay the fees involved.  Wink

Thank you everyone.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

The escrow addresses for Chaang Noi (Goat)'s ASICMINER auction of 2000 shares would be the following:


1.    1J2CRj1aoiK4jcYCRn5BactqaFWu2KYt9r
2.    1MoVBGFPnhQMQV5Y2y1XShMHWi5Sq4bemk
3.    13MYBZkhrRKqJzxjmFbgYBfof8vwbC2vCT
4.    1AEfEerdoVMgJopJaLM2hyf2ihhq1sQJH7
5.    1PwGY2nsRN8VnG2qiYYUN2RFsapWrrio6W
6.    1EceQNAHZmjtDhUxjfCoaDS5UD1b7TGTE4
7.    1J9ka4nBZEVwshf7QWnYUXsxvjuNSJdn8Z
8.    1PZ1ufMKtRVPeMJY9Rxtz4j1f26wzSjvHQ
9.    13eZKUxSBy97ByhHE5JrcADTKVhChPja28
10.   1K7zVAubp491r6i5NcYLn5FZpvMoGexUfe
11.   1PF3iqLiCAnymvTkgcB4YcRRnF7cLSW7G9
12.   1FH5mBK9chSEjGiKn6DaowJxBC5qjsTRrQ
13.   1QEnRAw2SYPWxUYZd2RABF8ZXnB5aLh4AR
14.   1J2EJQLKJdUGRfxDB9RFwF7j6kLfk3VXPd
15.   1DrwrMjiwkUTFcUgYvj3LdVRHDPi6f6NLH

Please ensure that Chaang Noi has sent you a correct address in the list should you choose to use escrow by me. Thank you.

John
Feb 19 2013
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Thank you John!

Also can someone not a winner in the auction witness this?  Thanks! Smiley

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February 19, 2013, 03:08:03 PM

And where are my bids:
250 @ 0.38 # 14
150 @ 0.38 # 28
200 @ 0.39 # 52
225 @ 0.41 # 53
175 @ 0.41 # 67
25  @ 0.42 # 100
300 @ 0.42 # 105

Huh

Wnners bids

Hmm, I think you are right. You should have 150 shares at .42  that is my mistake. HorseRider should not.

My mistake.



Please double check this!!

150   @   0,42   #   103   ;;   Vezunchik
50   @   0,42   #   98   ;;   ThickAsThieves
25   @   0,42   #   95   ;;   wachtwoord
125   @   0,42   #   87   ;;   Aajo
75   @   0,42   #   86   ;;   gyverlb
150   @   0,42   #   83   ;;   BlackLilac
100   @   0,43   #   111      wisard
25   @   0,43   #   109   ;;   PM#4
50   @   0,43   #   107   ;;   ThickAsThieves
100   @   0,43   #   106   ;;   HorseRider
100   @   0,43   #   102   ;;   PM#5
50   @   0,43   #   93   ;;   ghostshirt
100   @   0,43   #   89   ;;   wisard
750   @   0,45   #   53      IRC #1
50   @   0,45   #   50   ;;   PM 3
25   @   0,45   #   13   ;;   PM #1
25   @   0,5   #   91   ;;   xiangfu
25   @   0,5   #   70   ;;   server
25   @   0,5   #   32   ;;   xiangfu


I was right the first time

150   @   0,42   #   103   ;;   HorseRider
50   @   0,42   #   98   ;;   ThickAsThieves
25   @   0,42   #   95   ;;   wachtwoord
125   @   0,42   #   87   ;;   Aajo
75   @   0,42   #   86   ;;   gyverlb
150   @   0,42   #   83   ;;   BlackLilac
100   @   0,43   #   111      wisard
25   @   0,43   #   109   ;;   PM#4
50   @   0,43   #   107   ;;   ThickAsThieves
100   @   0,43   #   106   ;;   HorseRider
100   @   0,43   #   102   ;;   PM#5
50   @   0,43   #   93   ;;   ghostshirt
100   @   0,43   #   89   ;;   wisard
750   @   0,45   #   81   ;;   IRC #1
50   @   0,45   #   50   ;;   PM 3
25   @   0,45   #   13   ;;   PM #1
25   @   0,5   #   91   ;;   xiangfu
25   @   0,5   #   70   ;;   server
25   @   0,5   #   32   ;;   xiangfu

His bid was two posts before yours.

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In order to not mess this up more than it is I will sell to both Vezunchik and HorseRider.   I can part with an extra 150 shares.

Thank you.

Vezunchik   63
ThickAsThieves   42.5
wachtwoord   10.5
Aajo   52.5
gyverlb   31.5
BlackLilac   63
wisard   86
PM#4   10.75
ThickAsThieves   21.5
HorseRider   106
PM#5   43
ghostshirt   21.5
IRC #1   337.5
PM # 3   22.5
xiangfu   25
server   25
xiangfu   25

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Everyone should have their PM with their address. I remind you that you must pay with in 24 hours.

Thank you.

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There's a part I'm not sure I understand:

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Because you are buying the claimed shares, if something unfortunate should happen and the shares are never sent to me BTC can not be refunded. You can not get a refund for acts of God or something outside of my control. If friedcat was hit by a bus, or if the Internet in China goes off line forever this is not in my control. If friedcat sends out the shares later than 19th April for any reason, I reserve the right to request and obtain the escrowed Bitcoins from John. I will still be obligated to send to john if I ever receive them in the future.  

I'm OK with my BTC being yours if something happens to your shares. But I'd like to be sure that johnthedong won't release my BTC after 19th April unless you provide proof that you own the shares. I don't see how this can happen if friedcat is hit by a bus.

To make it clear: until friedcat has properly verified the transfer of the shares that should become mine either to me or to the escrow, you should be the one assuming the risks of them disappearing, not me (I don't have any proof that you are indeed in a position to sell me the amount of shares promised).

Quote
To avoid coins being locked in escrow forever at anytime and for any reason a buyer or myself can give permission to release the funds to the other party. John will have to make sure you are the true owner so please only send funds from an address you hold. Do not send funds from a Mt. Gox address for example.

With these conditions it seems to me that the buyers assume all the risks of friedcat disappearing before the transfer can be validated even if they use escrow (the buyer can't claim the BTC back him/herself if the deal can not go on).

Is there something I didn't understand?

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There's a part I'm not sure I understand:

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Because you are buying the claimed shares, if something unfortunate should happen and the shares are never sent to me BTC can not be refunded. You can not get a refund for acts of God or something outside of my control. If friedcat was hit by a bus, or if the Internet in China goes off line forever this is not in my control. If friedcat sends out the shares later than 19th April for any reason, I reserve the right to request and obtain the escrowed Bitcoins from John. I will still be obligated to send to john if I ever receive them in the future.  

I'm OK with my BTC being yours if something happens to your shares. But I'd like to be sure that johnthedong won't release my BTC after 19th April unless you provide proof that you own the shares. I don't see how this can happen if friedcat is hit by a bus.

To make it clear: until friedcat has properly verified the transfer of the shares that should become mine either to me or to the escrow, you should be the one assuming the risks of them disappearing, not me (I don't have any proof that you are indeed in a position to sell me the amount of shares promised).

Quote
To avoid coins being locked in escrow forever at anytime and for any reason a buyer or myself can give permission to release the funds to the other party. John will have to make sure you are the true owner so please only send funds from an address you hold. Do not send funds from a Mt. Gox address for example.

With these conditions it seems to me that the buyers assume all the risks of friedcat disappearing before the transfer can be validated even if they use escrow (the buyer can't claim the BTC back him/herself if the deal can not go on).

Is there something I didn't understand?

You are assuming that risk. This is a sale now!   Let us say that in a month it is clear that BFL and Avalon fail and ASICMiner is the only ASIC comapny for the next year. The stock will go up to 4 BTC maybe more. I am taking this risk of that not happening by selling it to you now at .04X. You are taking the risk something does not happen like a bus accident.   I will not let the coins just sit in escrow forever or I lose out becasue of an act of God. This is a sale now, not an option to buy later if everything works out for you.

If you do not really want to buy them that is fine. There is no way to I can guarantee to give you something I do not have. I am acting in good faith here, you must as well. You are buying my verified claim.

I hope this makes sense.

Thanks

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There's a part I'm not sure I understand:

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Because you are buying the claimed shares, if something unfortunate should happen and the shares are never sent to me BTC can not be refunded. You can not get a refund for acts of God or something outside of my control. If friedcat was hit by a bus, or if the Internet in China goes off line forever this is not in my control. If friedcat sends out the shares later than 19th April for any reason, I reserve the right to request and obtain the escrowed Bitcoins from John. I will still be obligated to send to john if I ever receive them in the future.  

I'm OK with my BTC being yours if something happens to your shares. But I'd like to be sure that johnthedong won't release my BTC after 19th April unless you provide proof that you own the shares. I don't see how this can happen if friedcat is hit by a bus.

To make it clear: until friedcat has properly verified the transfer of the shares that should become mine either to me or to the escrow, you should be the one assuming the risks of them disappearing, not me (I don't have any proof that you are indeed in a position to sell me the amount of shares promised).

Quote
To avoid coins being locked in escrow forever at anytime and for any reason a buyer or myself can give permission to release the funds to the other party. John will have to make sure you are the true owner so please only send funds from an address you hold. Do not send funds from a Mt. Gox address for example.

With these conditions it seems to me that the buyers assume all the risks of friedcat disappearing before the transfer can be validated even if they use escrow (the buyer can't claim the BTC back him/herself if the deal can not go on).

Is there something I didn't understand?

The BTC is not released before the shares get sent to me (and sent to the buyers), unless friedcat goes MIA, or Goat does not receive the shares for some reason.( and is able to prove that conclusively) Friedcat's default is a risk to the buyers, much like the risk incurred when one buy BFL or another ASIC's preorder spot.

It's 12AM here, so there might be some flaws in my reasoning though.

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There's a part I'm not sure I understand:

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Because you are buying the claimed shares, if something unfortunate should happen and the shares are never sent to me BTC can not be refunded. You can not get a refund for acts of God or something outside of my control. If friedcat was hit by a bus, or if the Internet in China goes off line forever this is not in my control. If friedcat sends out the shares later than 19th April for any reason, I reserve the right to request and obtain the escrowed Bitcoins from John. I will still be obligated to send to john if I ever receive them in the future.  

I'm OK with my BTC being yours if something happens to your shares. But I'd like to be sure that johnthedong won't release my BTC after 19th April unless you provide proof that you own the shares. I don't see how this can happen if friedcat is hit by a bus.

To make it clear: until friedcat has properly verified the transfer of the shares that should become mine either to me or to the escrow, you should be the one assuming the risks of them disappearing, not me (I don't have any proof that you are indeed in a position to sell me the amount of shares promised).

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With these conditions it seems to me that the buyers assume all the risks of friedcat disappearing before the transfer can be validated even if they use escrow (the buyer can't claim the BTC back him/herself if the deal can not go on).

Is there something I didn't understand?

The BTC is not released before the shares get sent to me (and sent to the buyers), unless friedcat goes MIA, or Goat does not receive the shares for some reason.( and is able to prove that conclusively) Friedcat's default is a risk to the buyers, much like the risk incurred when one buy BFL or another ASIC's preorder spot.

It's 12AM here, so there might be some flaws in my reasoning though.

That is pretty much my thinking. Thanks Smiley

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The BTC is not released before the shares get sent to me (and sent to the buyers), unless friedcat goes MIA, or Goat does not receive the shares for some reason.( and is able to prove that conclusively) Friedcat's default is a risk to the buyers, much like the risk incurred when one buy BFL or another ASIC's preorder spot.

It's 12AM here, so there might be some flaws in my reasoning though.

I'm OK with a default from Friedcat. What I'm worried about is that friedcat seems quite busy these days and I don't know him well enough to know if he will be around to confirm that Goat really has 2000+ shares before April the 19th. Currently I only have Goat's word that he owns the shares. You use escrow when you think you can't afford to trust the other party. Escrow isn't any good for me if there's a situation (friedcat not answering until April the 19th) where Goat can sell me shares he never owned.

But you said :
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or Goat does not receive the shares for some reason.( and is able to prove that conclusively)

This imply that if friedcat disappears before having acknowledged publicly that Goat's share are real, Goat won't be able to prove anything about his shares and I'll get my BTC back. If we agree on that then there's no problem.

In fact when biding I thought there was an existing confirmation from friedcat somewhere:
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If there really is one confirmation somewhere I can read then there is no problem.

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In order to not mess this up more than it is I will sell to both Vezunchik and HorseRider.   I can part with an extra 150 shares.

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The BTC is not released before the shares get sent to me (and sent to the buyers), unless friedcat goes MIA, or Goat does not receive the shares for some reason.( and is able to prove that conclusively) Friedcat's default is a risk to the buyers, much like the risk incurred when one buy BFL or another ASIC's preorder spot.

It's 12AM here, so there might be some flaws in my reasoning though.

I'm OK with a default from Friedcat. What I'm worried about is that friedcat seems quite busy these days and I don't know him well enough to know if he will be around to confirm that Goat really has 2000+ shares before April the 19th. Currently I only have Goat's word that he owns the shares. You use escrow when you think you can't afford to trust the other party. Escrow isn't any good for me if there's a situation (friedcat not answering until April the 19th) where Goat can sell me shares he never owned.

But you said :
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or Goat does not receive the shares for some reason.( and is able to prove that conclusively)

This imply that if friedcat disappears before having acknowledged publicly that Goat's share are real, Goat won't be able to prove anything about his shares and I'll get my BTC back. If we agree on that then there's no problem.

In fact when biding I thought there was an existing confirmation from friedcat somewhere:
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If there really is one confirmation somewhere I can read then there is no problem.
Hmm.. that's a good point. Yes, Goat will need to prove his stake of the shares involved either via friedcat's statement or otherwise to have this risk transferred to the buyer.

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The BTC is not released before the shares get sent to me (and sent to the buyers), unless friedcat goes MIA, or Goat does not receive the shares for some reason.( and is able to prove that conclusively) Friedcat's default is a risk to the buyers, much like the risk incurred when one buy BFL or another ASIC's preorder spot.

It's 12AM here, so there might be some flaws in my reasoning though.

I'm OK with a default from Friedcat. What I'm worried about is that friedcat seems quite busy these days and I don't know him well enough to know if he will be around to confirm that Goat really has 2000+ shares before April the 19th. Currently I only have Goat's word that he owns the shares. You use escrow when you think you can't afford to trust the other party. Escrow isn't any good for me if there's a situation (friedcat not answering until April the 19th) where Goat can sell me shares he never owned.

But you said :
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or Goat does not receive the shares for some reason.( and is able to prove that conclusively)

This imply that if friedcat disappears before having acknowledged publicly that Goat's share are real, Goat won't be able to prove anything about his shares and I'll get my BTC back. If we agree on that then there's no problem.

In fact when biding I thought there was an existing confirmation from friedcat somewhere:
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Friedcat knows about this auction and my shares have been confirmed.
If there really is one confirmation somewhere I can read then there is no problem.

I have the confirmation in e-mail. I guess the question is do you trust me enough and how long do you think it will take Friedcat.   Honestly I would rather not sell the shares than to risk it sitting in escrow forever. You do not have to buy. You can walk away and no one will judge you.

Honestly I do not mind keeping the shares and if I wanted to sell them to someone else I'm sure I can find a buyer.

However I will publish my e-mails if Friedcat is hit by a bus and I will give access to John to my g-mail account so he can see them first hand. This should be pretty solid I would think.

Thanks.


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In order to not mess this up more than it is I will sell to both Vezunchik and HorseRider.   I can part with an extra 150 shares.

Thank you for running this auction.

I don't want to seem to be nitpicky. But here is the issue:

HorseRider's bid number was #103. 300 shares at 0.42.
Mine was #104. 100 shares at 0.42.
Vezunchik's was #105. 300 shares at 0.42.

In post number #110, I read that other bids have pushed my bid number #104 off the list.
And so I make a new bid, bid number #111. 100 shares at 0.43.

And then I find that because of issues with communication, someone who was behind me on the list is getting shares at a cost less than me anyways.

Please consider my bid #104 instead of #111. The issue is only 1 bitcoin. But things as they stand now don't seem right to me.

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The BTC is not released before the shares get sent to me (and sent to the buyers), unless friedcat goes MIA, or Goat does not receive the shares for some reason.( and is able to prove that conclusively) Friedcat's default is a risk to the buyers, much like the risk incurred when one buy BFL or another ASIC's preorder spot.

It's 12AM here, so there might be some flaws in my reasoning though.

I'm OK with a default from Friedcat. What I'm worried about is that friedcat seems quite busy these days and I don't know him well enough to know if he will be around to confirm that Goat really has 2000+ shares before April the 19th. Currently I only have Goat's word that he owns the shares. You use escrow when you think you can't afford to trust the other party. Escrow isn't any good for me if there's a situation (friedcat not answering until April the 19th) where Goat can sell me shares he never owned.

But you said :
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or Goat does not receive the shares for some reason.( and is able to prove that conclusively)

This imply that if friedcat disappears before having acknowledged publicly that Goat's share are real, Goat won't be able to prove anything about his shares and I'll get my BTC back. If we agree on that then there's no problem.

In fact when biding I thought there was an existing confirmation from friedcat somewhere:
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Friedcat knows about this auction and my shares have been confirmed.
If there really is one confirmation somewhere I can read then there is no problem.

I have the confirmation in e-mail. I guess the question is do you trust me enough and how long do you think it will take Friedcat.   Honestly I would rather not sell the shares than to risk it sitting in escrow forever. You do not have to buy. You can walk away and no one will judge you.

Honestly I do not mind keeping the shares and if I wanted to sell them to someone else I'm sure I can find a buyer.

However I will publish my e-mails if Friedcat is hit by a bus and I will give access to John to my g-mail account so he can see them first hand. This should be pretty solid I would think.

Thanks.



That should be pretty conclusive as the email headers and the content would be a quite good proof.

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However I will publish my e-mails if Friedcat is hit by a bus and I will give access to John to my g-mail account so he can see them first hand. This should be pretty solid I would think.

I trust John: if you convince him that's enough for me.

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In order to not mess this up more than it is I will sell to both Vezunchik and HorseRider.   I can part with an extra 150 shares.

Thank you for running this auction.

I don't want to seem to be nitpicky. But here is the issue:

HorseRider's bid number was #103. 300 shares at 0.42.
Mine was #104. 100 shares at 0.42.
Vezunchik's was #105. 300 shares at 0.42.

In post number #110, I read that other bids have pushed my bid number #104 off the list.
And so I make a new bid, bid number #111. 100 shares at 0.43.

And then I find that because of issues with communication, someone who was behind me on the list is getting shares at a cost less than me anyways.

Please consider my bid #104 instead of #111. The issue is only 1 bitcoin. But things as they stand now don't seem right to me.

Yes, please send 1 BTC less. Smiley

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However I will publish my e-mails if Friedcat is hit by a bus and I will give access to John to my g-mail account so he can see them first hand. This should be pretty solid I would think.

I trust John: if you convince him that's enough for me.

Sadly that is not the way the contract is stated. I will just do it to keep my reputation. I have worked hard to be so trusted.  You need to decide before you send the coins if you trust me or not.

The contract does not say I need to prove that I have a claim, but I will do it never the less.

Thank you.

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I need to go to bed so please ask me questions before sending coin if you have them. Be back in 9 hours or so.

Peace

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Yes, Goat will need to prove his stake of the shares involved either via friedcat's statement or otherwise to have this risk transferred to the buyer.

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Yes, Goat will need to prove his stake of the shares involved either via friedcat's statement or otherwise to have this risk transferred to the buyer.

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Yes, Goat will need to prove his stake of the shares involved either via friedcat's statement or otherwise to have this risk transferred to the buyer.

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I prepared this reply when I paid, long before the stream of following replies and had to try twice again to make it go through.

John has the coins because I trust him. I'm willing to trust Goat given he has publicly stated that he will provide proof to John if needed. Goat: I understand rewording a contract is not trivial, but given that I pointed out a loophole and that you value your reputation I think this would be in your best interest to close the loophole by explicitly accepting Johnthedong arbitration on this (this is why we use escrow services after all).

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Yes, Goat will need to prove his stake of the shares involved either via friedcat's statement or otherwise to have this risk transferred to the buyer.

Fantastic, 31.5 BTC sent for 75 shares at 0.42 BTC. Tip sent your way too.
I prepared this reply when I paid, long before the stream of following replies and had to try twice again to make it go through.

John has the coins because I trust him. I'm willing to trust Goat given he has publicly stated that he will provide proof to John if needed. Goat: I understand rewording a contract is not trivial, but given that I pointed out a loophole and that you value your reputation I think this would be in your best interest to close the loophole by explicitly accepting Johnthedong arbitration on this (this is why we use escrow services after all).

This is why we have contracts. A post in the forum can not change a contract. I do not need to prove anything but I will do so willingly to keep my reputation in the highly unlikely event freidcat can not be contacted.

Thank you for your understanding.

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I've just made a payment of 21.50 BTC to the given address.

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Thank you, I will check the address tomorrow and make a note of everyone who has been recored as paying.

Good night!

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Can't understand what does it means:
100 @ 0.41 # 103
300 @ 0.42 # 106
100 @ 0.43 # 106.1

OR
100 @ 0.41 # 103
100 @ 0.43 # 106

I think first - there is now word "update" or rise... But anyway - I can't understand how Chaang Noi (Goat) made his table of winners. Where is my mistake? What means 63 about me and so?

PostRised upNameAmountPrice per shareShares leftShares may bought
106,1HuhHorseRider3000,42-53750
12Yesghostshirt750,38-50750
16YesPM #24000,38-50000
56Yesghostshirt750,4-46000
75YesPM #4250,41-45250
44Yesxiangfu250,5-45000
5ahdinosaur1250,38-44750
8BlackLilac2000,38-43500
14Vezunchik2500,38-41500
25keystroke2500,38-39000
28Vezunchik1500,38-36500
17sal002250,39-35000
26wachtwoord250,39-34750
31Sukrim750,39-34500
34TradeFortress5000,39-33750
49Vezunchik750,39-28750
51PM #24000,39-28000
52Vezunchik2000,39-24000
72BlackLilac2000,39-22000
24mb300sd5000,4-20000
64gyverlb1000,4-15000
73BlackLilac2000,4-14000
74Bogart500,4-12000
85ghostshirt250,4-11500
34,1TradeFortress1000,41-11250
53Vezunchik2250,41-10250
67Vezunchik1750,41-8000
77PM #51000,41-6250
85,1ghostshirt500,41-5250
83BlackLilac1500,42-4750
86gyverlb750,42-3250
87Aajo1250,42-2500
95wachtwoord250,42-1250
98ThickAsThieves500,42-1000
100Vezunchik250,42-500
103HorseRider3000,42-25275
104wisard1000,42275100
105Vezunchik3000,42375300
89wisard1000,43675100
93ghostshirt500,4377550
102PM #51000,43825100
106HorseRider1000,43925100
107ThickAsThieves500,43102550
109PM #4250,43107525
13PM #1250,45110025
50PM 3500,45112550
81IRC #17500,451175750
79server250,5192525
91xiangfu500,5195050
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The BTC is not released before the shares get sent to me (and sent to the buyers), unless friedcat goes MIA, or Goat does not receive the shares for some reason.( and is able to prove that conclusively) Friedcat's default is a risk to the buyers, much like the risk incurred when one buy BFL or another ASIC's preorder spot.

It's 12AM here, so there might be some flaws in my reasoning though.

I'm OK with a default from Friedcat. What I'm worried about is that friedcat seems quite busy these days and I don't know him well enough to know if he will be around to confirm that Goat really has 2000+ shares before April the 19th. Currently I only have Goat's word that he owns the shares. You use escrow when you think you can't afford to trust the other party. Escrow isn't any good for me if there's a situation (friedcat not answering until April the 19th) where Goat can sell me shares he never owned.

But you said :
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or Goat does not receive the shares for some reason.( and is able to prove that conclusively)

This imply that if friedcat disappears before having acknowledged publicly that Goat's share are real, Goat won't be able to prove anything about his shares and I'll get my BTC back. If we agree on that then there's no problem.

In fact when biding I thought there was an existing confirmation from friedcat somewhere:
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Friedcat knows about this auction and my shares have been confirmed.
If there really is one confirmation somewhere I can read then there is no problem.

I have the confirmation in e-mail. I guess the question is do you trust me enough and how long do you think it will take Friedcat.   Honestly I would rather not sell the shares than to risk it sitting in escrow forever. You do not have to buy. You can walk away and no one will judge you.

Honestly I do not mind keeping the shares and if I wanted to sell them to someone else I'm sure I can find a buyer.

However I will publish my e-mails if Friedcat is hit by a bus and I will give access to John to my g-mail account so he can see them first hand. This should be pretty solid I would think.

Thanks.



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Friedcat knows about this auction and my shares have been confirmed. I will give him a list of who now holds the current shares and I hope he will automatically send them to you when they are listed on the exchange. If not, I will have to send them to you myself.


Okay I am posting here publicly instead of via PM because I think this might apply to everyone. The contract as it is now implies that if you never owned the shares to begin with, John should still release the shares to you. Of course I cannot agree with that.

There are two solutions of which I prefer E1:

E1) Get Friedcat to confirm you own he shares and can sell ownership here
E2) Amend the contract so it states that before John can release the coins to you E1 must have occurred. Further, if you cannot provide either the shares or E1 before 19th April, the deal is void and John is to send the coins back to me (the buyer).

I do not mind assuming the risk of ASICMINER going bust (e.g. Friedcat going AWOL), as this is the normal result of becoming a shareholder. I do object to the possibility of the proceeds for the shares being paid out without you either (i) sending the shares or (ii) proving you actually own the shares.

I hope this will not cause any issues Smiley
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Vezunchik, now you are confusing me. Can an independent party parse this thread for the correct final winners? Or is Goat just going to settle discrepancies with extra shares to sell?

I've already sold some assets to free up the coins for my 100 shares, and would like to make sure I'm not wasting my time and some margin.
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February 19, 2013, 11:26:33 PM

Instead of asking questions, tell me what rows or order in my table are wrong. And Goat must answer - mot me.

Vezunchik, now you are confusing me. Can an independent party parse this thread for the correct final winners? Or is Goat just going to settle discrepancies with extra shares to sell?

I've already sold some assets to free up the coins for my 100 shares, and would like to make sure I'm not wasting my time and some margin.
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BTC63 sent for 150 shares of ASICMINER, at BTC0.42 per share.

Sent to user John (johnthedong) for escrow: 1EceQNAHZmjtDhUxjfCoaDS5UD1b7TGTE4

From user BlackLilac: 1BLACKL7UKcyHrDybu91hM44jGFt8bysXs

Transaction ID: 6aad1d72c56bd90f046239a6df285f9cdec4a1e490dc7d5601b43d47f1f802d8

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Instead of asking questions, tell me what rows or order in my table are wrong. And Goat must answer - mot me.

Vezunchik, now you are confusing me. Can an independent party parse this thread for the correct final winners? Or is Goat just going to settle discrepancies with extra shares to sell?

I've already sold some assets to free up the coins for my 100 shares, and would like to make sure I'm not wasting my time and some margin.

If anyone finds a mistake please tell me specifically what that is and I will try to deal with that fairly.

Thank you.

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February 20, 2013, 03:04:54 AM

@Watchwoord

I do agree with your points and were I to start over I would have included something like the e-mail being sent to John in the contract. However I am not going to redo the contract and most people have no issue with it. There is no punishment for backing out of the auction and I do not mind. I 100% understand where you are coming from.

Thank you.


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February 20, 2013, 03:12:39 AM

BTC42.5 sent for 100 shares of ASICMINER (50 shares at BTC.42 + 50 shares @ BTC.43)

Sent to user John (johnthedong) for escrow: 13MYBZkhrRKqJzxjmFbgYBfof8vwbC2vCT

From user ThickAsThieves: 1KXNVYSQNdr7y5a9JMJEsBJWGJEDLd69Kr

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February 20, 2013, 03:51:22 AM

Okay, I'm willing to forward my confirmation e-mail (Oct 24th) to John now as long has be will agree to a short NDA and basically can only say that YES or NO the shares were confirmed.

I will PM a request for his e-email.


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February 20, 2013, 06:01:39 AM

Okay, I'm willing to forward my confirmation e-mail (Oct 24th) to John now as long has be will agree to a short NDA and basically can only say that YES or NO the shares were confirmed.

I will PM a request for his e-email.


I have obtained the forwarded mail from Chaang Noi, and yes, the shares are confirmed on the email.

My BTC Tip Jar: 1Pgvfy19uwtYe5o9dg3zZsAjgCPt3XZqz9 , GPG ID: B3AAEEB0 ,OTC ID: johnthedong
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February 20, 2013, 06:13:20 AM

The OP says you must pay within 24 hours. However I will extend this to when I wake up in the morning. That will be around 8:00 AM Thailand time. (in about 19 hours)

If I can not see the coin by then, you no longer have a claim.


Also IRC #1 turned out to be a troll so if anyone is interested in 750 shares please let me know.

Thank you.

   

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0   1MoVBGFPnhQMQV5Y2y1XShMHWi5Sq4bemk   wisard
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22.5   1PwGY2nsRN8VnG2qiYYUN2RFsapWrrio6W   Betatester pm #3
63   1EceQNAHZmjtDhUxjfCoaDS5UD1b7TGTE4   BlackLilac
21.5   1J9ka4nBZEVwshf7QWnYUXsxvjuNSJdn8Z   ghostshirt
31.5   1PZ1ufMKtRVPeMJY9Rxtz4j1f26wzSjvHQ   gyverlb
0   13eZKUxSBy97ByhHE5JrcADTKVhChPja28   Aajo
0   1K7zVAubp491r6i5NcYLn5FZpvMoGexUfe   xiangfu
0   1PF3iqLiCAnymvTkgcB4YcRRnF7cLSW7G9   wachtwoord
12.5   1FH5mBK9chSEjGiKn6DaowJxBC5qjsTRrQ   server
10.75   1QEnRAw2SYPWxUYZd2RABF8ZXnB5aLh4AR   PM # 4 Slix"
0   1J2EJQLKJdUGRfxDB9RFwF7j6kLfk3VXPd   PM #1 "justanickname"


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Wow 2000 shares huh?

No wonder you wanted to thread-jack.

So what's going to happen if you never receive those ASICminer shares?

I'm sure you're planning on refunding all these nice people right?

So what exactly is different from your scam than mine?

Because some guy confirmed an email?!?

I'd have NO PROBLEM doing that.  After all, that is some kind of escrow!


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February 20, 2013, 06:40:32 AM

Wow 2000 shares huh?

No wonder you wanted to thread-jack.

So what's going to happen if you never receive those ASICminer shares?

I'm sure you're planning on refunding all these nice people right?

So what exactly is different from your scam than mine?

Because some guy confirmed an email?!?

I'd have NO PROBLEM doing that.  After all, that is some kind of escrow!

I have very good reason to suspect you will not receive the shares. My recommendation is that everyone should use escrow unless they trust the buyer very highly. Having someone look at an e-mail is NOT escrow.

Thank you and please everyone trade safe use trusted escrow!


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February 20, 2013, 06:48:22 AM

What/where is your feedback record?

What "bad investments" did you make?  Trusting scammers?

Now you want people to trust you?

Here is my flawless feedback record:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126611.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85980.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=87579.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=46372.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92788.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=484.msg783540#msg783540

Oh, and I have several eBay accounts with over 1000 positives, dating back to 1997 that I would happily verify are mine should anyone request such proof.

Now, what is your plan should you not receive those 2000 shares?

Oh and you live in Thailand right?

I live in the USA.

Which country do you think would enforce accountability for a bitcoin-related scam?

Just thinking out loud, since you came and shat all over my thread.


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Oops look at that, here's another:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102584

My tally:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126611.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102584.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92788.0
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=87579.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=46372.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=484.msg783540#msg783540

But I'm a scammer, right?


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February 20, 2013, 07:40:12 AM

Right because you want to do a $100,800 trade WITHOUT escrow

Go scam someone else.
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0   1J2CRj1aoiK4jcYCRn5BactqaFWu2KYt9r   Vezunchik
85   1MoVBGFPnhQMQV5Y2y1XShMHWi5Sq4bemk   wisard
42.5   13MYBZkhrRKqJzxjmFbgYBfof8vwbC2vCT   ThickAsThieves
0   1AEfEerdoVMgJopJaLM2hyf2ihhq1sQJH7   HorseRider
22.5   1PwGY2nsRN8VnG2qiYYUN2RFsapWrrio6W   pm #3
63   1EceQNAHZmjtDhUxjfCoaDS5UD1b7TGTE4   BlackLilac
21.5   1J9ka4nBZEVwshf7QWnYUXsxvjuNSJdn8Z   ghostshirt
31.5   1PZ1ufMKtRVPeMJY9Rxtz4j1f26wzSjvHQ   gyverlb
0   13eZKUxSBy97ByhHE5JrcADTKVhChPja28   Aajo
0   1K7zVAubp491r6i5NcYLn5FZpvMoGexUfe   xiangfu
0   1PF3iqLiCAnymvTkgcB4YcRRnF7cLSW7G9   wachtwoord
12.5   1FH5mBK9chSEjGiKn6DaowJxBC5qjsTRrQ   server
10.75   1QEnRAw2SYPWxUYZd2RABF8ZXnB5aLh4AR   PM # 4
0   1J2EJQLKJdUGRfxDB9RFwF7j6kLfk3VXPd   PM #1

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February 20, 2013, 08:11:31 AM

Right because you want to do a $100,800 trade WITHOUT escrow

Go scam someone else.

Where was this $100,800 trade  Huh

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February 20, 2013, 08:13:14 AM

Right because you want to do a $100,800 trade WITHOUT escrow

Go scam someone else.

Where was this $100,800 trade  Huh

Different thread, and he is not talking about me.

Some one spammed this, I think the mods got rid of some of the off topic posts.

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xiangfu has paid 25 btc.

Thank you.

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Great. Thanks
xiangfu has paid 25 btc.

Thank you.
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February 20, 2013, 08:28:01 AM

Oh and you live in Thailand right?

I live in the USA.

Which country do you think would enforce accountability for a bitcoin-related scam?


Neither.
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Oh and you live in Thailand right?

I live in the USA.

Which country do you think would enforce accountability for a bitcoin-related scam?


Neither.

and that is why we use trusted escrow:)

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Indeed.   Grin

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February 20, 2013, 08:54:13 AM

My bid 300 @ 0.42 # 105 must be in winners list. - mistake.
You didn't found mistakes in my table. So you winers table was made in wrong way. - mistake.


If anyone finds a mistake please tell me specifically what that is and I will try to deal with that fairly.

Thank you.

There are a lot of independent members here, but no one wants make a look for bid list. You may do it by yourself - just search for ("@" OR "PM") in this thread.

Vezunchik, now you are confusing me. Can an independent party parse this thread for the correct final winners? Or is Goat just going to settle discrepancies with extra shares to sell?

I've already sold some assets to free up the coins for my 100 shares, and would like to make sure I'm not wasting my time and some margin.
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February 20, 2013, 08:54:33 AM

Right because you want to do a $100,800 trade WITHOUT escrow

Go scam someone else.
Your math skills appear to need some freshening.

Who is scamming here?

Goat has already sold, what, 1250 shares of something he doesn't have posession of?

Yet I was immediately accused of being a scammer when my history on this board has clearly shown otherwise.  Furthermore,  I have provided more proof of ownership than this so-called "hero".

But continue on.  It's ironically obvious the bitcoin lemming community prefers to support the con-men and crooks as opposed to those that have proven themselves honest and trustworthy.


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February 20, 2013, 08:59:19 AM

Oh and you live in Thailand right?

I live in the USA.

Which country do you think would enforce accountability for a bitcoin-related scam?


Neither.

and that is why we use trusted escrow:)
Really?

What/who?

A moderator of an internet forum?

I'll be sure to keep an eye on this thread since you have somehow convinced the lemmings I am a scammer.  Where is your feedback and positive transaction history?


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February 20, 2013, 09:24:07 AM

For those of you new to the game I encourage you to search "pirateat40".

Also might want to check on the general satisfaction level of btc pass-throughs.

Another good read:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83794.0


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February 20, 2013, 09:28:28 AM

My bid 300 @ 0.42 # 105 must be in winners list. - mistake.
You didn't found mistakes in my table. So you winers table was made in wrong way. - mistake.


If anyone finds a mistake please tell me specifically what that is and I will try to deal with that fairly.

Thank you.

There are a lot of independent members here, but no one wants make a look for bid list. You may do it by yourself - just search for ("@" OR "PM") in this thread.

Vezunchik, now you are confusing me. Can an independent party parse this thread for the correct final winners? Or is Goat just going to settle discrepancies with extra shares to sell?

I've already sold some assets to free up the coins for my 100 shares, and would like to make sure I'm not wasting my time and some margin.

Vezunchik, I do not understand. Is there a reason why you are not paying for your shares?


Sorry El Cabron, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
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Right because you want to do a $100,800 trade WITHOUT escrow

Go scam someone else.
Find one, one single person, I have scammed in this community the entire time I have been a member.  Since you seem to have many hours of free time I'm sure you'll enjoy the challenge.


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February 20, 2013, 11:44:07 AM

Yes.
My bid 300 @ 0.42 # 105 must be in winners list. - mistake.
You didn't found mistakes in my table. So you winers table was made in wrong way. - mistake.


If anyone finds a mistake please tell me specifically what that is and I will try to deal with that fairly.

Thank you.

There are a lot of independent members here, but no one wants make a look for bid list. You may do it by yourself - just search for ("@" OR "PM") in this thread.

Vezunchik, now you are confusing me. Can an independent party parse this thread for the correct final winners? Or is Goat just going to settle discrepancies with extra shares to sell?

I've already sold some assets to free up the coins for my 100 shares, and would like to make sure I'm not wasting my time and some margin.

Vezunchik, I do not understand. Is there a reason why you are not paying for your shares?


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FYI: I have withdrawn my bid via PM.
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FYI: I have withdrawn my bid via PM.

NP, Thanks

Sorry El Cabron, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
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February 20, 2013, 12:03:40 PM

Here may be the cause for miscommunication.

Chaang Noi only lists the bids that are still in contention to win the shares.
Vezunchik doesn't see all the bids he has made in the list and feels something went wrong.

Because a lot of other auctioners create a list where all bids are mentioned - and there is a line between the bids that are still in contention and the bids that have dropped off.

Yes.
My bid 300 @ 0.42 # 105 must be in winners list. - mistake.
You didn't found mistakes in my table. So you winers table was made in wrong way. - mistake.


If anyone finds a mistake please tell me specifically what that is and I will try to deal with that fairly.

Thank you.

There are a lot of independent members here, but no one wants make a look for bid list. You may do it by yourself - just search for ("@" OR "PM") in this thread.

Vezunchik, now you are confusing me. Can an independent party parse this thread for the correct final winners? Or is Goat just going to settle discrepancies with extra shares to sell?

I've already sold some assets to free up the coins for my 100 shares, and would like to make sure I'm not wasting my time and some margin.

Vezunchik, I do not understand. Is there a reason why you are not paying for your shares?



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Here may be the cause for miscommunication.

Chaang Noi only lists the bids that are still in contention to win the shares.
Vezunchik doesn't see all the bids he has made in the list and feels something went wrong.

Because a lot of other auctioners create a list where all bids are mentioned - and there is a line between the bids that are still in contention and the bids that have dropped off.

Yes.
My bid 300 @ 0.42 # 105 must be in winners list. - mistake.
You didn't found mistakes in my table. So you winers table was made in wrong way. - mistake.


If anyone finds a mistake please tell me specifically what that is and I will try to deal with that fairly.

Thank you.

There are a lot of independent members here, but no one wants make a look for bid list. You may do it by yourself - just search for ("@" OR "PM") in this thread.

Vezunchik, now you are confusing me. Can an independent party parse this thread for the correct final winners? Or is Goat just going to settle discrepancies with extra shares to sell?

I've already sold some assets to free up the coins for my 100 shares, and would like to make sure I'm not wasting my time and some margin.

Vezunchik, I do not understand. Is there a reason why you are not paying for your shares?



In a PM I told him I think he owes me 63 BTC for 150 shares. He is welcome to claim them.

Sorry El Cabron, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
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February 20, 2013, 12:18:14 PM

FYI: I have withdrawn my bid via PM.

Lame. People shouldn't be pulling out after the fact...
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