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February 19, 2013, 05:48:18 PM
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Yes, Goat will need to prove his stake of the shares involved either via friedcat's statement or otherwise to have this risk transferred to the buyer.

Fantastic, 31.5 BTC sent for 75 shares at 0.42 BTC. Tip sent your way too.
I prepared this reply when I paid, long before the stream of following replies and had to try twice again to make it go through.

John has the coins because I trust him. I'm willing to trust Goat given he has publicly stated that he will provide proof to John if needed. Goat: I understand rewording a contract is not trivial, but given that I pointed out a loophole and that you value your reputation I think this would be in your best interest to close the loophole by explicitly accepting Johnthedong arbitration on this (this is why we use escrow services after all).

This is why we have contracts. A post in the forum can not change a contract. I do not need to prove anything but I will do so willingly to keep my reputation in the highly unlikely event freidcat can not be contacted.

Thank you for your understanding.

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February 19, 2013, 05:48:42 PM
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I've just made a payment of 21.50 BTC to the given address.

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February 19, 2013, 05:54:14 PM
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Thank you, I will check the address tomorrow and make a note of everyone who has been recored as paying.

Good night!

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February 19, 2013, 09:34:47 PM
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Can't understand what does it means:
100 @ 0.41 # 103
300 @ 0.42 # 106
100 @ 0.43 # 106.1

OR
100 @ 0.41 # 103
100 @ 0.43 # 106

I think first - there is now word "update" or rise... But anyway - I can't understand how Chaang Noi (Goat) made his table of winners. Where is my mistake? What means 63 about me and so?

PostRised upNameAmountPrice per shareShares leftShares may bought
106,1HuhHorseRider3000,42-53750
12Yesghostshirt750,38-50750
16YesPM #24000,38-50000
56Yesghostshirt750,4-46000
75YesPM #4250,41-45250
44Yesxiangfu250,5-45000
5ahdinosaur1250,38-44750
8BlackLilac2000,38-43500
14Vezunchik2500,38-41500
25keystroke2500,38-39000
28Vezunchik1500,38-36500
17sal002250,39-35000
26wachtwoord250,39-34750
31Sukrim750,39-34500
34TradeFortress5000,39-33750
49Vezunchik750,39-28750
51PM #24000,39-28000
52Vezunchik2000,39-24000
72BlackLilac2000,39-22000
24mb300sd5000,4-20000
64gyverlb1000,4-15000
73BlackLilac2000,4-14000
74Bogart500,4-12000
85ghostshirt250,4-11500
34,1TradeFortress1000,41-11250
53Vezunchik2250,41-10250
67Vezunchik1750,41-8000
77PM #51000,41-6250
85,1ghostshirt500,41-5250
83BlackLilac1500,42-4750
86gyverlb750,42-3250
87Aajo1250,42-2500
95wachtwoord250,42-1250
98ThickAsThieves500,42-1000
100Vezunchik250,42-500
103HorseRider3000,42-25275
104wisard1000,42275100
105Vezunchik3000,42375300
89wisard1000,43675100
93ghostshirt500,4377550
102PM #51000,43825100
106HorseRider1000,43925100
107ThickAsThieves500,43102550
109PM #4250,43107525
13PM #1250,45110025
50PM 3500,45112550
81IRC #17500,451175750
79server250,5192525
91xiangfu500,5195050
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February 19, 2013, 10:08:05 PM
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The BTC is not released before the shares get sent to me (and sent to the buyers), unless friedcat goes MIA, or Goat does not receive the shares for some reason.( and is able to prove that conclusively) Friedcat's default is a risk to the buyers, much like the risk incurred when one buy BFL or another ASIC's preorder spot.

It's 12AM here, so there might be some flaws in my reasoning though.

I'm OK with a default from Friedcat. What I'm worried about is that friedcat seems quite busy these days and I don't know him well enough to know if he will be around to confirm that Goat really has 2000+ shares before April the 19th. Currently I only have Goat's word that he owns the shares. You use escrow when you think you can't afford to trust the other party. Escrow isn't any good for me if there's a situation (friedcat not answering until April the 19th) where Goat can sell me shares he never owned.

But you said :
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or Goat does not receive the shares for some reason.( and is able to prove that conclusively)

This imply that if friedcat disappears before having acknowledged publicly that Goat's share are real, Goat won't be able to prove anything about his shares and I'll get my BTC back. If we agree on that then there's no problem.

In fact when biding I thought there was an existing confirmation from friedcat somewhere:
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Friedcat knows about this auction and my shares have been confirmed.
If there really is one confirmation somewhere I can read then there is no problem.

I have the confirmation in e-mail. I guess the question is do you trust me enough and how long do you think it will take Friedcat.   Honestly I would rather not sell the shares than to risk it sitting in escrow forever. You do not have to buy. You can walk away and no one will judge you.

Honestly I do not mind keeping the shares and if I wanted to sell them to someone else I'm sure I can find a buyer.

However I will publish my e-mails if Friedcat is hit by a bus and I will give access to John to my g-mail account so he can see them first hand. This should be pretty solid I would think.

Thanks.



Also from the OP


Friedcat knows about this auction and my shares have been confirmed. I will give him a list of who now holds the current shares and I hope he will automatically send them to you when they are listed on the exchange. If not, I will have to send them to you myself.


Okay I am posting here publicly instead of via PM because I think this might apply to everyone. The contract as it is now implies that if you never owned the shares to begin with, John should still release the shares to you. Of course I cannot agree with that.

There are two solutions of which I prefer E1:

E1) Get Friedcat to confirm you own he shares and can sell ownership here
E2) Amend the contract so it states that before John can release the coins to you E1 must have occurred. Further, if you cannot provide either the shares or E1 before 19th April, the deal is void and John is to send the coins back to me (the buyer).

I do not mind assuming the risk of ASICMINER going bust (e.g. Friedcat going AWOL), as this is the normal result of becoming a shareholder. I do object to the possibility of the proceeds for the shares being paid out without you either (i) sending the shares or (ii) proving you actually own the shares.

I hope this will not cause any issues Smiley
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February 19, 2013, 10:41:27 PM
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Vezunchik, now you are confusing me. Can an independent party parse this thread for the correct final winners? Or is Goat just going to settle discrepancies with extra shares to sell?

I've already sold some assets to free up the coins for my 100 shares, and would like to make sure I'm not wasting my time and some margin.
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February 19, 2013, 11:26:33 PM
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Instead of asking questions, tell me what rows or order in my table are wrong. And Goat must answer - mot me.

Vezunchik, now you are confusing me. Can an independent party parse this thread for the correct final winners? Or is Goat just going to settle discrepancies with extra shares to sell?

I've already sold some assets to free up the coins for my 100 shares, and would like to make sure I'm not wasting my time and some margin.
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February 20, 2013, 02:07:59 AM
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BTC63 sent for 150 shares of ASICMINER, at BTC0.42 per share.

Sent to user John (johnthedong) for escrow: 1EceQNAHZmjtDhUxjfCoaDS5UD1b7TGTE4

From user BlackLilac: 1BLACKL7UKcyHrDybu91hM44jGFt8bysXs

Transaction ID: 6aad1d72c56bd90f046239a6df285f9cdec4a1e490dc7d5601b43d47f1f802d8

https://blockchain.info/tx/6aad1d72c56bd90f046239a6df285f9cdec4a1e490dc7d5601b43d47f1f802d8
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February 20, 2013, 02:56:50 AM
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Instead of asking questions, tell me what rows or order in my table are wrong. And Goat must answer - mot me.

Vezunchik, now you are confusing me. Can an independent party parse this thread for the correct final winners? Or is Goat just going to settle discrepancies with extra shares to sell?

I've already sold some assets to free up the coins for my 100 shares, and would like to make sure I'm not wasting my time and some margin.

If anyone finds a mistake please tell me specifically what that is and I will try to deal with that fairly.

Thank you.

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February 20, 2013, 03:04:54 AM
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@Watchwoord

I do agree with your points and were I to start over I would have included something like the e-mail being sent to John in the contract. However I am not going to redo the contract and most people have no issue with it. There is no punishment for backing out of the auction and I do not mind. I 100% understand where you are coming from.

Thank you.


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February 20, 2013, 03:12:39 AM
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BTC42.5 sent for 100 shares of ASICMINER (50 shares at BTC.42 + 50 shares @ BTC.43)

Sent to user John (johnthedong) for escrow: 13MYBZkhrRKqJzxjmFbgYBfof8vwbC2vCT

From user ThickAsThieves: 1KXNVYSQNdr7y5a9JMJEsBJWGJEDLd69Kr

https://blockchain.info/tx/6a5db9af0c22c297d5bfd6895264f923a3f77e78173a3475c155877f574be769
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February 20, 2013, 03:51:22 AM
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Okay, I'm willing to forward my confirmation e-mail (Oct 24th) to John now as long has be will agree to a short NDA and basically can only say that YES or NO the shares were confirmed.

I will PM a request for his e-email.


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February 20, 2013, 06:01:39 AM
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Okay, I'm willing to forward my confirmation e-mail (Oct 24th) to John now as long has be will agree to a short NDA and basically can only say that YES or NO the shares were confirmed.

I will PM a request for his e-email.


I have obtained the forwarded mail from Chaang Noi, and yes, the shares are confirmed on the email.

My BTC Tip Jar: 1Pgvfy19uwtYe5o9dg3zZsAjgCPt3XZqz9 , GPG ID: B3AAEEB0 ,OTC ID: johnthedong
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February 20, 2013, 06:13:20 AM
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The OP says you must pay within 24 hours. However I will extend this to when I wake up in the morning. That will be around 8:00 AM Thailand time. (in about 19 hours)

If I can not see the coin by then, you no longer have a claim.


Also IRC #1 turned out to be a troll so if anyone is interested in 750 shares please let me know.

Thank you.

   

43                            no escrow                                    acayne
0   1J2CRj1aoiK4jcYCRn5BactqaFWu2KYt9r           Vezunchik
0   1MoVBGFPnhQMQV5Y2y1XShMHWi5Sq4bemk   wisard
42.5   13MYBZkhrRKqJzxjmFbgYBfof8vwbC2vCT   ThickAsThieves
0   1AEfEerdoVMgJopJaLM2hyf2ihhq1sQJH7   HorseRider
22.5   1PwGY2nsRN8VnG2qiYYUN2RFsapWrrio6W   Betatester pm #3
63   1EceQNAHZmjtDhUxjfCoaDS5UD1b7TGTE4   BlackLilac
21.5   1J9ka4nBZEVwshf7QWnYUXsxvjuNSJdn8Z   ghostshirt
31.5   1PZ1ufMKtRVPeMJY9Rxtz4j1f26wzSjvHQ   gyverlb
0   13eZKUxSBy97ByhHE5JrcADTKVhChPja28   Aajo
0   1K7zVAubp491r6i5NcYLn5FZpvMoGexUfe   xiangfu
0   1PF3iqLiCAnymvTkgcB4YcRRnF7cLSW7G9   wachtwoord
12.5   1FH5mBK9chSEjGiKn6DaowJxBC5qjsTRrQ   server
10.75   1QEnRAw2SYPWxUYZd2RABF8ZXnB5aLh4AR   PM # 4 Slix"
0   1J2EJQLKJdUGRfxDB9RFwF7j6kLfk3VXPd   PM #1 "justanickname"


P.S. Thank you John.

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February 20, 2013, 06:35:40 AM
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85 bitcoins sent for 200 shares. (100 @ 0.43 and 100 @ 0.42)

Sent to user John (johnthedong) for escrow: 1MoVBGFPnhQMQV5Y2y1XShMHWi5Sq4bemk

From user wisard: 13JQGEfrCJQbU5rc92EL1MhmCEtZCB7HLw

https://blockchain.info/tx/46cd3c18181a8860ddc1393679052077417785f1cd5de399cd2a37edce69e82a

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February 20, 2013, 06:37:40 AM
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Wow 2000 shares huh?

No wonder you wanted to thread-jack.

So what's going to happen if you never receive those ASICminer shares?

I'm sure you're planning on refunding all these nice people right?

So what exactly is different from your scam than mine?

Because some guy confirmed an email?!?

I'd have NO PROBLEM doing that.  After all, that is some kind of escrow!


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February 20, 2013, 06:40:32 AM
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Wow 2000 shares huh?

No wonder you wanted to thread-jack.

So what's going to happen if you never receive those ASICminer shares?

I'm sure you're planning on refunding all these nice people right?

So what exactly is different from your scam than mine?

Because some guy confirmed an email?!?

I'd have NO PROBLEM doing that.  After all, that is some kind of escrow!

I have very good reason to suspect you will not receive the shares. My recommendation is that everyone should use escrow unless they trust the buyer very highly. Having someone look at an e-mail is NOT escrow.

Thank you and please everyone trade safe use trusted escrow!


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February 20, 2013, 06:48:22 AM
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What/where is your feedback record?

What "bad investments" did you make?  Trusting scammers?

Now you want people to trust you?

Here is my flawless feedback record:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126611.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85980.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=87579.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=46372.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92788.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=484.msg783540#msg783540

Oh, and I have several eBay accounts with over 1000 positives, dating back to 1997 that I would happily verify are mine should anyone request such proof.

Now, what is your plan should you not receive those 2000 shares?

Oh and you live in Thailand right?

I live in the USA.

Which country do you think would enforce accountability for a bitcoin-related scam?

Just thinking out loud, since you came and shat all over my thread.


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Oops look at that, here's another:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102584

My tally:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126611.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102584.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92788.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85980.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=87579.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=46372.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=484.msg783540#msg783540

But I'm a scammer, right?


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February 20, 2013, 07:40:12 AM
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Right because you want to do a $100,800 trade WITHOUT escrow

Go scam someone else.
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