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May 02, 2016, 10:51:12 AM
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In response Mr Wright says that, although he was the principal author of the white paper, he had extensive help from his friend Dave Kleiman, an American computer-forensics expert who died in 2013.

extensive help = 98% of the work i guess  Tongue

And then, as mentioned before, there is always the possibility that he could have obtained the keys from someone else, perhaps Hal Finney or Dave Kleiman. Since both are dead, they cannot be asked.


This sounds more likely. I wonder if Wright was also involved in some way as part of "Satoshi", maybe doing some of the public Satoshi writing and developing the Satoshi philosophy, but Kleiman did all of the technical stuff and had the keys. That could explain why Gavin was convinced by meeting Wright. Also, if Wright was involved in some way then he might have picked up a test document (the Sartre) that Kleiman signed back in the day.

I think the Economist article (http://www.economist.com/news/briefings/21698061-craig-steven-wright-claims-be-satoshi-nakamoto-bitcoin) is quite thorough, but this is the telling point:

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And he rejected the idea of having The Economist send him another text to sign as proof that he actually possesses these private keys, rather than simply being the first to publish a proof which was generated at some point in the past by somebody else. Either people believe him now—or they don’t, he says. “I’m not going to keep jumping through hoops.”

If he really wants to show he it Satoshi, which it what he claims to want right now, then he'd be happy to sign a message including something recent (an article from today's New York Times or something) plus the message "Craig Wright = Satoshi Nakamoto" and wouldn't whinge about hoops.
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May 02, 2016, 10:52:13 AM
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So sensitive?
Sensitive? That does not make sense.

I wasn't aware that my casual comments on a BBC article carried such enormous weight here.
I have not even opened that article, nor do I have plans to do so.

Why would anyone claim that he is Satoshi?
Publicity stunt? To manipulate the price? There are plenty of reasons.

where is this signed message??
He hasn't provided one.

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May 02, 2016, 10:53:47 AM
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He's not even using double spaces like Satoshi did.

This isn't even remotely reliable as proof or disproof and only muddies the water further.

Stick with digitally signed messages. Nothing else short of this will be sufficient.

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he is

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May 02, 2016, 10:55:10 AM
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I've said before that this guy isn't Satoshi and I'll say it again.  No need for all this drama, a simple clue is in the writing...

http://www.drcraigwright.net/social-choice-bitcoin-arrows-theorem/

Is one of his blog posts

I think it would be possible for BitDNS to be a completely separate network and separate block chain, yet share CPU power with Bitcoin.  The only overlap is to make it so miners can search for proof-of-work for both networks simultaneously.

The networks wouldn't need any coordination.  Miners would subscribe to both networks in parallel.  They would scan SHA such that if they get a hit, they potentially solve both at once.  A solution may be for just one of the networks if one network has a lower difficulty.

I think an external miner could call getwork on both programs and combine the work.  Maybe call Bitcoin, get work from it, hand it to BitDNS getwork to combine into a combined work.

Instead of fragmentation, networks share and augment each other's total CPU power.  This would solve the problem that if there are multiple networks, they are a danger to each other if the available CPU power gangs up on one.  Instead, all networks in the world would share combined CPU power, increasing the total strength.  It would make it easier for small networks to get started by tapping into a ready base of miners.

Is one of Satoshi's posts

There is a critical but subtle difference, which tells me that Craig Wright is NOT the Satoshi that posted here.

Crag Wright writes blockchain, Satoshi always wrote block chain, with a space.  Why change the habit of a lifetime?

If you really want to find Satoshi, first whittle it down to everyone that writes block chain with a space.

He's not even using double spaces like Satoshi did (everywhere... from the bitcoin whitepaper to his forum posts).

Yeah, I just highlighted the most obvious (and relevant).  There are many occasions where the writing style is very different.

A persons writing style can change of course, but to do so to the extent where it is unrecognizable takes a long time!

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May 02, 2016, 10:57:02 AM
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He's not even using double spaces like Satoshi did.

This isn't even remotely reliable as proof or disproof and only muddies the water further.

Stick with digitally signed messages. Nothing else short of this will be sufficient.

You realize that a persons writing style can, and is, used in solving crimes (if relevant to the crime) to reduce the number of suspects.

A persons writing style is akin to a signature and is generally unique from person to person.

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May 02, 2016, 10:58:54 AM
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I'll bet the real Satoshi laughs his damn head off when this shit happens.  He must be having a big belly laugh again today.  Hey Satoshi!  Give us a sign!  lol   Freaking Auzzie is crazy like a lark to try to pull this off. 

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Is this really true guys???
The whole story will be release soon. The signatures have already been verified by Gavin and GQ btw.
Why not post from your original account Satoshi? In case you have forgotten the password, you can always contact theymos and provide proofs, I am sure he'll be more than happy to reset the account for you. Cheesy Cheesy

PS, You're as much Satoshi as this guy was Mandarin in Ironman 3, remember..  Grin
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He cant, Theymos disabled logins on it after it got hacked years ago.
I am sure for REAL Satoshi, theymos will bring that account back no matter what. Wink

Well he better send Theymos a signed message then Smiley

Yeah. But he can't though, can he? Coz he is not Mandarin but Trevor Slattery.  Cheesy

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May 02, 2016, 11:01:02 AM
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He's not even using double spaces like Satoshi did.

This isn't even remotely reliable as proof or disproof and only muddies the water further.

Stick with digitally signed messages. Nothing else short of this will be sufficient.

Yap, and there's no need for such analysis, if he is really who he says he is, he can prove it cryptographically.

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May 02, 2016, 11:01:23 AM
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I'll bet the real Satoshi laughs his damn head off when this shit happens.  He must be having a big belly laugh again today.  Hey Satoshi!  Give us a sign!  lol   Freaking Auzzie is crazy like a lark to try to pull this off. 
same here , he will laughing so hard lol
well , how to satoshi give his sign. im smurfing on his profile on this forum he doesnt have address , also the question is the 1st address is what ??

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May 02, 2016, 11:01:40 AM
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I'm not convinced at all until he shows signed message.
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May 02, 2016, 11:03:47 AM
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I'm not convinced at all until he shows signed message.

from which address ?

do you know his bitcoin address ?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
this thread comment looks like speculation  Lips sealed

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May 02, 2016, 11:03:59 AM
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Damn I am very surprised that he came through with his claims. So after reading the article it seems some people have already verified his identity by Wright signing a message and showing the proof to them in a private session but when will the public like us get to see the real facts? I mean the media can regurgitate the news all day long but I want to see the signed message myself.

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May 02, 2016, 11:05:37 AM
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There have been several others that people have suspected to be satoshi over the years but this is the first one that I can remember that actually claimed to be satoshi himself.  It doesn't mean he really is though.

 
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May 02, 2016, 11:06:27 AM
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We don't need it to be signed from any address, we know Satoshi's PGP Public Key...

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May 02, 2016, 11:07:25 AM
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Damn I am very surprised that he came through with his claims. So after reading the article it seems some people have already verified his identity by Wright signing a message and showing the proof to them in a private session but when will the public like us get to see the real facts? I mean the media can regurgitate the news all day long but I want to see the signed message myself.



We don't need it to be signed from any address, we know Satoshi's PGP Public Key...
is he have the pgp public key ?

i think no  Tongue

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You realize that a persons writing style can, and is, used in solving crimes (if relevant to the crime) to reduce the number of suspects.

A persons writing style is akin to a signature and is generally unique from person to person.

I'm aware that it's used in criminal investigations but I'm not writing expert and sure, you could run a statistical analysis on the writing to determine if the styles are different but the analysis you're referring to is actual handwriting where the writing is unique.

Let's face it though, there's going to be no proof more solid than a digitally signed message. It would be irrelevant what his writing style is.

To prove/disprove that it's not the same person based on a small sample of text and a single space between 'blockchain' is as watertight as the current claim. If you've run the analysis on the handwriting samples then sure but otherwise, this is all muddying of the waters.

If he can produce a signed message then your analysis is wrong. If he can't produce the signed message then your analysis is of no consequence because he hasn't proven anything.

Ultimately, a signed message is all we're looking for.

(This isn't an attack on you, just that people are going to debate back and forward endlessly about this issue when he could easily just prove himself in one action.)

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May 02, 2016, 11:11:47 AM
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Damn I am very surprised that he came through with his claims. So after reading the article it seems some people have already verified his identity by Wright signing a message and showing the proof to them in a private session but when will the public like us get to see the real facts? I mean the media can regurgitate the news all day long but I want to see the signed message myself.



We don't need it to be signed from any address, we know Satoshi's PGP Public Key...
is he have the pgp public key ?

i think no  Tongue

Apparently not, he is going by far fetched messages found at block chain...

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May 02, 2016, 11:14:35 AM
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He's not even using double spaces like Satoshi did.

This isn't even remotely reliable as proof or disproof and only muddies the water further.

Stick with digitally signed messages. Nothing else short of this will be sufficient.

I'm operating under vastly different "assumptions".

Satoshi might be anonymous to nearly every common people, but he certainly wasn't anonymous to the government and secret services because they have means at their disposal which common people don't.

This means that secret services can catch him, tell him "cooperate or else" and then take his keys and tell a pretender to play Satoshi with the original Satoshi's keys - while Satoshi is killed or jailed.

I would need either multi-threaded proofs or at least a high level of consistency in Satoshi's behavior.

Single-threaded proofs aren't very reliable for my preference, even "extraordinary proof". Case in point: I once asked a friend of mine... what would it take for you to believe someone is god? Would you believe they are a God if they commanded natural phenomena like the weather - on command? He said yes. I then showed him the sky. I told him to pick any white cloud he liked and point it to me. He told me ok, that's the one. Alright I said, wait a bit. 80-90 seconds later he was like "W T F, how are you doing this" (the cloud was dissolving). I told him "well, obviously I'm god...". Next day, and after I had explained to him the mechanism, he's like "oh it's easy, I was dissolving clouds all morning". So what was enough to declare me a "god" a day prior, the next day was "easily done by anyone". So even the benchmark of "extraordinary proof" can be bullshit, under circumstances.

Just because someone has Satoshi's keys, or coins, doesn't make them Satoshi. Not that I have seen such a thing though.
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May 02, 2016, 11:17:23 AM
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What I'm confused at is why in the world would Gavin Andresen write in his blog that he was "reasonably certain" that Wright is Satoshi himself? Everyone involved in bitcoin is eager to know the why's, how's, what's, and when's on this story.


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