🌟Thoughts on investing then gambling combo🌟

[Finestream]

You just have to choose between the two if you are really serious, investing gives you a chance to gain more profit but it all depends also to the amount of investment. You need a considerable amount to have a good share of income in any sites you invested. This is more safe than gambling, so I suggest that do only investing.

[JackpotRacer]

Lets say you were gambling on bitvest normally you played teal line you can get back only 40% of your bet if you lose.
Being invested at 50% you would have gt back about 65% of your bet. I'm not sure how that's a bad thing.
Its the same with dice if you lose your bet is 100% gone so if your invested you get some of that bet back.
Since your not only betting against your self your betting against the other investors so a big win 50% comes from the other investors.

So im not sure how getting a knock back is bad, this is basically a higher way of knock backs each bet your make.
Its a way to extend game play an on big wins the other investors have to pay up half for the win.
When normally you would lose almost your whole bet if not all to begin with.

lets try to do it KISS (keep it simple.....

are you saying that it is better to wager on bitvest than on plinkpot.com?

are you saying that a gambler who invests and gambles same time according your example has a +EV?

I don't think so. a casino has always +EV and that means a gambler is wagering with -EV

if a gambler wants to lose less he just need to wager less and no reason to invest and gamble same time to get a smooth ride into losses.

any simple answer is very much appreciated and no reason to complicate simple math because you cant bend math in your direction. a HE for the casino and/or investors should be enough and that means that an investor should not gamble and he will always be on the right side.

[hua_hui]

investing then gambling is a great idea. i used to be like this too. i invest and manage to get some profit then i try to use my profit to gamble. so in the end i lose in gamble but overall i never gain or lose anything.

[talkbitcoin]

very interesting idea for sure but first of all if this works it would be an exploit. besides i doubt if it works because you can't be the only investor so you will only share in the revenue, so losing in gambling means just earning a small amount back and all this effort is just for a little cash back, and all of this is happening while you are risking a lot of bitcoin twice!

[JackpotRacer]

very interesting idea for sure but first of all if this works it would be an exploit. besides i doubt if it works because you can't be the only investor so you will only share in the revenue, so losing in gambling means just earning a small amount back and all this effort is just for a little cash back, and all of this is happening while you are risking a lot of bitcoin twice!

thank you for this posting maybe it helps other users to understand that it is either investing or gambling

if you want to earn = invest

if you want to gamble so gamble and have fun and hit big

[Bit_Happy]

Make huge profits trading/"investing in" altcoins, then use part of the profits to gamble. 

[hua_hui]

Make huge profits trading/"investing in" altcoins, then use part of the profits to gamble. 

that is what i always heard from others, but how do you know which altcoins to invest in?

[Bit_Happy]

Make huge profits trading/"investing in" altcoins, then use part of the profits to gamble.  

that is what i always heard from others, but how do you know which altcoins to invest in?

Good question, since there are so many:
I can trade anything that moves (either direction), since I play short-term bounces much more than longer-term "investing". Note: That is not for everyone, since it takes extra time & effort, and many big moves are missed.
To find "decent" alts look at the top 25 in market cap, and study some of the older ones since they are not in an initial rally which will turn into an endless bear market.

[BitcoinHodler]

Make huge profits trading/"investing in" altcoins, then use part of the profits to gamble. 

that is what i always heard from others, but how do you know which altcoins to invest in?

this is really not the topic that is being discussed here boys, read OP again!!


to @OP have you ever tested this yourself or are you just theory crafting?

[SparkedDev]

I don't think many understand the the point being made in the OP.I forget people barely read the OP in the gambling boards.
@Sparkedev : I get your point.Either way,you can't benefit from both the instances at the same time.Let's assume I made an investment of 2BTC with ROI something like 1% every two days.I can have a nice stable income if I keep gambling as a whole picture out of it.On the brighter side,if I gamble 10% of my initial investment away,there are slime chances of keeping up with the profits.However I can always gamble with that 1% I make from my initial investment.

Also,lock the thread if you aren't planning to lose your mind over hilarious answers.

Oh yeah its becoming very clear no ones reading at all.

Make huge profits trading/"investing in" altcoins, then use part of the profits to gamble.  

that is what i always heard from others, but how do you know which altcoins to invest in?

this is really not the topic that is being discussed here boys, read OP again!!


to @OP have you ever tested this yourself or are you just theory crafting?

This is theory crafting all im asking is can it work not if investing is more profitable over gambling.

So ultimately the question here is can it be beneficial to invest to get knock backs on your bets.
In my opinion getting back something is way better then getting back nothing.

[Berthorl]

very interesting idea for sure but first of all if this works it would be an exploit. besides i doubt if it works because you can't be the only investor so you will only share in the revenue, so losing in gambling means just earning a small amount back and all this effort is just for a little cash back, and all of this is happening while you are risking a lot of bitcoin twice!

thank you for this posting maybe it helps other users to understand that it is either investing or gambling

if you want to earn = invest

if you want to gamble so gamble and have fun and hit big

Honestly its either comes down to using private funds your adopt later down the road.

Or you use the publics bankroll - and make up for whatever is missing with your own. But the question remains is what if a competitor decides to crush you being a whale, having them to clean you out.

It sounds shady to do, but I seen how business is done behind the scenes but its logical.

[keyscore44]

Lets say you were gambling on bitvest normally you played teal line you can get back only 40% of your bet if you lose.
Being invested at 50% you would have gt back about 65% of your bet. I'm not sure how that's a bad thing.
Its the same with dice if you lose your bet is 100% gone so if your invested you get some of that bet back.
Since your not only betting against your self your betting against the other investors so a big win 50% comes from the other investors.

So im not sure how getting a knock back is bad, this is basically a higher way of knock backs each bet your make.
Its a way to extend game play an on big wins the other investors have to pay up half for the win.
When normally you would lose almost your whole bet if not all to begin with.

The problem is that casinos not resell to investors 100% of the shares. Often it happens that for sale is issued only 20% - 30% of the shares. So if you had as much as 100% of the shares allocated to investments might be that you have only 30% of house edge. In this case, your idea does not seem to realize ..

[Bitspenser]

I think that this wouldn't be a bad idea, and it would slightly reduce your risks but it also lowers your reward. You would need a very large amount of bitcoin though, so I don't think most people would do this.

Lets say you were gambling on bitvest normally you played teal line you can get back only 40% of your bet if you lose.
Being invested at 50% you would have gt back about 65% of your bet. I'm not sure how that's a bad thing.
Its the same with dice if you lose your bet is 100% gone so if your invested you get some of that bet back.
Since your not only betting against your self your betting against the other investors so a big win 50% comes from the other investors.

So im not sure how getting a knock back is bad, this is basically a higher way of knock backs each bet your make.
Its a way to extend game play an on big wins the other investors have to pay up half for the win.
When normally you would lose almost your whole bet if not all to begin with.

The problem is that casinos not resell to investors 100% of the shares. Often it happens that for sale is issued only 20% - 30% of the shares. So if you had as much as 100% of the shares allocated to investments might be that you have only 30% of house edge. In this case, your idea does not seem to realize ..

Some sites like Moneypot have their bankroll funded 100% by investors. (MP does have bitcoin invested, just through their public investment feature.)

[JackpotRacer]

Lets say you were gambling on bitvest normally you played teal line you can get back only 40% of your bet if you lose.
Being invested at 50% you would have gt back about 65% of your bet. I'm not sure how that's a bad thing.
Its the same with dice if you lose your bet is 100% gone so if your invested you get some of that bet back.
Since your not only betting against your self your betting against the other investors so a big win 50% comes from the other investors.

So im not sure how getting a knock back is bad, this is basically a higher way of knock backs each bet your make.
Its a way to extend game play an on big wins the other investors have to pay up half for the win.
When normally you would lose almost your whole bet if not all to begin with.

The problem is that casinos not resell to investors 100% of the shares. Often it happens that for sale is issued only 20% - 30% of the shares. So if you had as much as 100% of the shares allocated to investments might be that you have only 30% of house edge. In this case, your idea does not seem to realize ..

thank you for pointing this out and to be frank I was waiting for OP to find this out by himself

[SparkedDev]

Some sites like Moneypot have their bankroll funded 100% by investors. (MP does have bitcoin invested, just through their public investment feature.)

An this is what i mean even if they site has 30% of that investment its still publicly able to be won.

[SparkedDev]

The whole point of this is to win from the other investors.
Sites don't take a 20% fee ive clearly states in the op that no one has seemed to have read.
Most sites have a fee of less then 2.5% on loses for investors who gain from gamblers loses.
An if they are taking 20% not sure why your invested there, when there are many sites with big pots an they take no where close to that.
You're not only playing against your own money, not sure what part of this thread is hard to understand.
If you're in the house invested there is other investors, if you lose the investment is going to you an the other investors.
So if you win, it takes from you an the other investors, there is no fee on some sites for gamblers who win from investors.
There is no fee on your loses, only your gains as an investor, well at least for bitvest they don't charge gamblers on wins from investors.
So if you got a 50 btc win 25btc of that is from you an the other is from the investors.
If you lose 50% go's to the investors an the other 50% go's back into you, other then what that sites fee is.

The OP clearly states what the point of this is, its to get a knock back an to win from the other investors.
Its a way to get some of your funds back instead of losing 100% of your bet. If your going to comment please read the op.
The op clearly states that if you don't feel safe when another high roller comes in you can instant divest an wait till they leave or when the sites died down.

This is not about if investing is better then gambling its the about the combo of both.

[JackpotRacer]

Uh the whole point of this is to win from the other investors.
Sites don't take a 20% fee ive clearly states in the op that no one has seemed to have read.
Most sites have a fee of less then 2.5% on loses for investors who gain.
Your not only playing against your own money, not sure what part of this thread is hard to understand.
If you're in the house invested there is other investors, if you lose the investment is going to you an the other investors.
So if you win, it takes from you an the other investors, there is no fee on some sites for gamblers who win from investors.
There is no fee on your loses, only your gains as an investor, well at least for bitvest they don't charge gamblers on wins from investors.
So if you got a 50 btc win 25btc of that is from you an the other is from the investors.
If you lose 50% go's to the investors an the other 50% go's back into you, other then what that sites fee is.

The OP clearly states what the point of this is, its to get a knock back an to win from the other investors.
Its a way to get some of your funds back other then losing 100% of your bet. If your going to comment please read the op.
The op clearly states that if you don't feel safe when another high roller comes in you can instant divest an wait till they leave or when the sites died down.

This is not about if investing is better then gambling its the about the combo of both.

you can write as big as you want and it will not help. sadly you did not answer my questions a few postings before

is this what you are asking or proposing +EV for the player? my answer is no! a gambler is gambling against his BR? come on get real

it just does not make sense for an investor/gambler to gamble against his own investment

a gambler will always lose in the long run against a casino's +EV

an investor (in a casino BR) will always earn if he is not cheated out of his money by the casino

easy as that

[SparkedDev]

At this point i'm just going to assume you have no clue what the op means an ignore you because it states why you could an would do this.
An as far as i can tell your not giving a reason at all why this is a bad idea the first thing you started off commenting in this thread was its better to invest then gamble.
As i said again an again is this is a way to get knock backs on betting, by using your investment to do so, not sure how this leads to mass loses if you were going to degen a lot of btc.
Why does it make any difference at all, if your invested a playing verses not invested in playing i asked thoughts on the combo not on just one.
Only difference i see is the other investors get less of your loses an you get that btc back you might have never seen again.
An can continue having longer game play. Id rather walk away with half of what i started with at the end of the day with none.

[JackpotRacer]

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An can continue having longer game play. Id rather walk away with half of what i started with at the end of the day with none.

if this is the only reason you can give for using a combo (as you call it) then it is stupid to do this combo. a player can decide with how much he wanna wager today and tomorrow and whenever he wanna gamble. he doesn't need a combo to lose only half or win half!

if you like the combo so do it but it does not make sense and nothing will help you or your maths

and you did not answer why is bitvest better than plinkopot.com?

[SparkedDev]

if this is the only reason you can give for using a combo (as you call it) then it is stupid to do this combo. a player can decide with how much he wanna wager today and tomorrow and whenever he wanna gamble. he doesn't need a combo to lose only half or win half!

if you like the combo so do it but it does not make sense and nothing will help you or your maths

and you did not answer why is bitvest better than plinkopot.com?

How does the math not make sense okay.
Lets say an any site pot is 100 btc.
You invested 100btc.
Now you have 50% of the pot minus site fee's.
So now you play have 100 btc that you were going to degen anyways.
By the end of that you have 140-150btc because you lost to your self plus the other investors.
If you planned on just playing 100 btc an lost your whole bank roll you have nothing.
This is a way to get back what you have lost, so as far as i can tell that's good math.
Pretty sure that's a way to stop losing 100% or your loses.
This is a method your betting that you will win an take the other investors funds.
I believe there is a few sites who use margin based investment which raise the limits.

In most cases why do gamblers stop gambling? Because they ran out of funds.
In this way you prevent losing everything you planned to use for that day.

I never said once any site was better then another not sure where you drew that conclusion from.
You made the same claim before when no where in this thread have i stated any site was better then another.