Lack of Plan for ISIS Detainees Raises Human Rights Concerns

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The Islamic State calls them “inghimasi” — zealous foot soldiers who intend to fight to their deaths. And as the American-backed coalition has reclaimed territory from the group in Iraq and Syria, that fervor has kept prisoners from being much of a problem: The shooting only stops when almost every Islamic State fighter has been killed.

But that could change as the coalition moves toward the Islamic State’s largest urban strongholds — Mosul, Iraq, and Raqqa, Syria — raising a potential problem for the United States. If the coalition is successful and thousands of ordinary members of a collapsing Islamic State have nowhere left to retreat, will they start to surrender in greater numbers? And if so, who will be responsible for imprisoning them?

After the experiences of the past decade in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Obama administration is determined not to revive large-scale detention operations. But it is far from clear whether allies on the ground — especially rebels in Syria — are prepared to hold large numbers of prisoners, raising the prospect of an ugly aftermath to any victory.

“If they’re not killed but detained, we are concerned about the standards of care, who would do it and how it would be done,” Peter Maurer, the president of the International Committee of the Red Cross, said in an interview.

William K. Lietzau, who oversaw detention policy at the Pentagon from 2010 until 2013, said there was “widespread” opposition in the upper levels of the Obama administration to conducting wartime detention. But the alternative, he said, could lead to war crimes if American-backed local fighters encounter more potential prisoners than they can handle.

“If the numbers start climbing, they’re going to shoot them and you’ll never hear about it,” Mr. Lietzau said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/12/world/middleeast/lack-of-plan-for-isis-detainees-raises-human-rights-concerns.html

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[Evildrum]

The Saudis have been taking a few and re-educating them, take that for whatever its worth.
Think they learned from gitmo that the fighters return with more hate to the battlefield. So as harsh as it may be, the philosphy needs to be stopped and wiping the board clean seems to be the only tactic left in dealing with extreme views that carry violence.

[markj113]

Just put them down like dogs on the spot.

Wouldnt waste the time or cash on them.

[Wilikon]

The Saudis have been taking a few and re-educating them, take that for whatever its worth.
Think they learned from gitmo that the fighters return with more hate to the battlefield. So as harsh as it may be, the philosphy needs to be stopped and wiping the board clean seems to be the only tactic left in dealing with extreme views that carry violence.

How?

[gentlemand]

It's going to be one giant freaking mess with no real end no matter what happens.

How does one tell a pissed off local from a hardened ISIS fan? They can't all be logged somewhere and hundreds of thousands of totally regular people have been caught behind the wrong lines.

[Snail2]

Well, I don't really want to be ruthless but in the case of ISIS fighters not taking prisoners might be a good option. No prisoners, no problem...

[Spendulus]

The Saudis have been taking a few and re-educating them, take that for whatever its worth.
Think they learned from gitmo that the fighters return with more hate to the battlefield. So as harsh as it may be, the philosphy needs to be stopped and wiping the board clean seems to be the only tactic left in dealing with extreme views that carry violence.

Monday night rehabilitation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLts-sXlLEM

[Evildrum]

The Saudis have been taking a few and re-educating them, take that for whatever its worth.
Think they learned from gitmo that the fighters return with more hate to the battlefield. So as harsh as it may be, the philosphy needs to be stopped and wiping the board clean seems to be the only tactic left in dealing with extreme views that carry violence.

How?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/04/16/9-gitmo-detainees-sent-saudi-arabia-80-prisoners-remain/83127414/

Its not many but I was interested that they did it at all.

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The Islamic State calls them “inghimasi” — zealous foot soldiers who intend to fight to their deaths. And as the American-backed coalition has reclaimed territory from the group in Iraq and Syria, that fervor has kept prisoners from being much of a problem: The shooting only stops when almost every Islamic State fighter has been killed.

But that could change as the coalition moves toward the Islamic State’s largest urban strongholds — Mosul, Iraq, and Raqqa, Syria — raising a potential problem for the United States. If the coalition is successful and thousands of ordinary members of a collapsing Islamic State have nowhere left to retreat, will they start to surrender in greater numbers? And if so, who will be responsible for imprisoning them?

After the experiences of the past decade in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Obama administration is determined not to revive large-scale detention operations. But it is far from clear whether allies on the ground — especially rebels in Syria — are prepared to hold large numbers of prisoners, raising the prospect of an ugly aftermath to any victory.

“If they’re not killed but detained, we are concerned about the standards of care, who would do it and how it would be done,” Peter Maurer, the president of the International Committee of the Red Cross, said in an interview.

William K. Lietzau, who oversaw detention policy at the Pentagon from 2010 until 2013, said there was “widespread” opposition in the upper levels of the Obama administration to conducting wartime detention. But the alternative, he said, could lead to war crimes if American-backed local fighters encounter more potential prisoners than they can handle.

“If the numbers start climbing, they’re going to shoot them and you’ll never hear about it,” Mr. Lietzau said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/12/world/middleeast/lack-of-plan-for-isis-detainees-raises-human-rights-concerns.html

US and Russia should execute all ISIS fighters.  Never take any prisoners.  That is what ISIS did to Iraqi army.  To win with these guys you have apply the same ISIS rules, not some Geneva convention mumbo jumbo.

Bump up production of ammunition and send them to Allah the Merciful.

There is nothing can change the minds of these people no matter how we educate them. If they've been a member if ISIS, then they're up to it forever. might as well give them to the Russians so its up to them. They can do whatever they want to them, if Putin push them down the stairs and say its an accident, so be it.

[EUROPEANTURK]

Just put them down like dogs on the spot.

Wouldnt waste the time or cash on them.

absolutely yes, they must be put to death as soon as possible. i dont want to feed these horrible creatures with my own taxes.. they are not deserve to live ..

[xht]

Just put them down like dogs on the spot.

Wouldnt waste the time or cash on them.

It's not easy like you say dude even they are wrong they still have human right as human, we need to teach them to back to the right way.

[markj113]

Tell that to the guys families who they burned alive, ran over with tanks, threw off buildings, beheaded etc.

Sitting them all down in a classroom and telling them how naughty they have all been isn't going to cut it.

Human Rights didn't seem so much of a concern when they were dishing out the punishments.

[bryant.coleman]

These human rights organizations have become lobbying groups for the terrorist organizations such as the ISIS and Al Nusra. I didn't heard any comments from them, when the ISIS barbarians were butchering Yazidi adults and raping the children. IMO, the best plan to deal with the ISIS POWs, is to dig a deep pit somewhere in the Arabian desert, and to bury all of them alive.

[Mr.Pro]

Why do they need human rights when they have abondoned their humanity?

[designerusa]

Well, I don't really want to be ruthless but in the case of ISIS fighters not taking prisoners might be a good option. No prisoners, no problem...

so what ? isis forces kill innocent people , rape women, steal money from them and you say that they shouldnt be locked in jail.. i think you must be kidding.. they have to get fair punishment for sure .

[bryant.coleman]

Well, I don't really want to be ruthless but in the case of ISIS fighters not taking prisoners might be a good option. No prisoners, no problem...

so what ? isis forces kill innocent people , rape women, steal money from them and you say that they shouldnt be locked in jail.. i think you must be kidding.. they have to get fair punishment for sure .

They deserve death, and not jail.

The Saudis are "locking them up" in five-star facilities, complete with LED TVs, video-game consoles and spa facilities. I am not surprised. The Saudis have always supported the ISIS barbarians.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/A-5-star-Saudi-jail-for-its-misled-sons/articleshow/51771741.cms

Now more and more Saudis will be encouraged to join the ISIS.

[alphatv]

Definitely lack of plan, leadership. What they are trying to achieve? or showcasing their power by killing innocent people, patients. 

[RJX]

So as harsh as it may be, the philosphy needs to be stopped and wiping the board clean seems to be the only tactic left in dealing with extreme views that carry violence.

Couldn't agree more, it's tough but fair: mankind as a whole cannot move forward if there's a hyena constantly snapping at our ankles. Out of the sandbox comes nothing but highly distorted minds, weakened dna through inbreeding and it's topped off with an indeology that is damaging to everyone except overzealous men with beards.